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baltec1
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Posted - 2017.06.15 10:02:20 -
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Every game that has added an arena has seen the PvP outside of it vanish. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:18:28 -
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Old Pervert wrote:
Anyone complaining that an arena would kill PVP outside of said arena is simply too used to the idea of ganking PVE fit ships and calling that PVP.
No I went though a game adding an area, it killed all the PvP outside of it. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2017.06.16 11:47:39 -
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Old Pervert wrote:baltec1 wrote:Old Pervert wrote:
Anyone complaining that an arena would kill PVP outside of said arena is simply too used to the idea of ganking PVE fit ships and calling that PVP.
No I went though a game adding an area, it killed all the PvP outside of it. Okay, you say that, but you fail to offer any justification or supposition as to how it would happen. "A game" is not Eve, which very likely means any links drawn between the two are very shallow at best. What kind of PVP would you no longer see? Go ahead and pick one, we'll debate that in detail. Don't say "PVP", pick a specific type of engagement, any one you want. At the end of the day, the moment ratters become too ripe, people will choose to roam them for the killmails, the lulz, and the loot. The same applies to ANY of the current pvp engagement profiles. All this does is let players engage in good fights without having to get blueballed or blobbed - neither of which is fun.
All of it.
The more people that go to the arena the less there are in the open world which leads to more hunting which means more people will take the easy option which means fewer targets in the open world so more go to the arenas to get the PvP.
Arenas suck the life out the the wider game, it has happened in every single case of an arena being added to an MMO. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2017.06.17 10:38:05 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:baltec1 wrote:Every game that has added an arena has seen the PvP outside of it vanish. Name examples.
SWG. It happened twice in that game, first time was with space. Everyone did PvP in the deep space PvP zone, nobody did it in the wider game. Second time is when they added the PvP arena, all other PvP stopped virtually overnight. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2017.06.17 10:41:54 -
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Old Pervert wrote:
You want to pick a part, like I suggested? I'm offering you the opportunity to cherry-pick your absolute worst case. If you want to say "all of it will suffer", my answer will be "none of it will suffer". I've offered just as much to the debate as you have - see how unsatisfying that was?
The overwhelming argument here that everyone seems to be using is "but people will be in the arena instead of out in regular space!". And frankly, I disagree.
I think the closest existing approximation to an arena is FW - stop me there if someone disagrees. You warp into a plex, and either fight the existing occupant or wait for someone to come fight you.
How many people would you see living in FW if there was no LP, no rewards, save for the loot you get from the enemy ship? If there were no stations, citadels, POSes, or any other staging locations within 6 jumps of the plexes where they could stock 500 frigates.
You'd see an infinitesimally small fraction of the Eve playerbase there "permanently". The only people spending significant time there are the ones that have alts feeding isk to them - in which case, they're still out in space.
In an arena, the "reward" is pvp. No LP to farm, no isk to farm, just "get there, kill or die".
I gave you the answer. Every single game that has added a PvP arena sees the PvP happening outside of it drop off a cliff.A PvP arena would destroy this game. |
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