There is no amount of hardware or optimization CCP can put the game through that will ever realistically eliminate TiDi. Even if CCP made it so a 4000 person fight experienced zero TiDi tomorrow within 6 months someone would stuff 5 or 6000 people in a fight and ta-da the TiDi is back.

Basically eve is using the best commercially available technology to get as close to zero lag is possible. Current hardware and software limitations are what effects big battles. Even Physics says Time dilation happens if you move fast enough unless you bend space time.

Cade, do you in Industry or just really into gaming?

Sorry but from a purely technical standpoint you are incorrect, there are optical and other processor technologies currently under development that could end TIDI forever. From a practical standpoint you are unfortunately correct there is little that can be done with the current state of hardware that would completely eliminate TIDI.

Excellent, I look forward to having interesting conversations with you are some point. I bailed out of tech in my early twenties when i had a Sec clearance and learned what being a black hat meant. Now I'm much older and getting back up to speed in computer science and should learn 3d Physics modeling for a side project.

The fix for all this major fight tidi is actually quite simple. When the 'once a year' megafights are in progress - get rid of down time. Just until the fight is over.

Ahem.... I wandered there for a second. Seriously, just turning off the down time when MAJOR fights are I/P (publish a ship minimum ahead of time so DEV/players don't get hooked into shenanigans if a fight goes this way or that way). So there you have it - a little subroutine and some pre-published 'this is when we push the button' guidelines and it will all take care of itself over time. And a fun time it will be!

Sorry but from a purely technical standpoint you are incorrect, there are optical and other processor technologies currently under development that could end TIDI forever. From a practical standpoint you are unfortunately correct there is little that can be done with the current state of hardware that would completely eliminate TIDI.

Wow i really like this idea, I have constantly heard about X value of forces committed but only an extremely small percentage of that will be lost. And it seems fights always fizzle out as a large group of people will not log back into such a cluster **** after DT.

This will also eliminate the stagger of forces returning to the battlefield as people log back in.

the reason why time dilation exists it doesn't matter how powerful the hardware they would have available to them not everybody else has powerful Hardware they slow things down so it's easier for everybody

I need to tell you about my first experience in a massive PVP battle after 5 minutes of seeing 300 people going my way my graphics card was fried

when I run into players that used to play Darkfall I still make this joke Hyperion owes me a graphics card

you cannot have time dilation in a fantasy MMO :(

I'd simply like to add, *under current Technology* because you or I have no clue what will be developed tomorrow, next year, or next decade. I will leave it at that.

We can make a fairly educated guess though, since it's *incredibly* rare for a new piece of technology to suddenly hit commercialization without quite a bit of telegraphing and run-up to mass market adoption.

Just based on the fundamental nature of computers we'll never a hit a point where TiDi will be unnecessary unless the server can manage to handle something ridiculous like 50% of cluster PCU without hitting it, because otherwise someone will cram everyone they can into a system just because they can and we'll be back to TiDi.

I'd simply like to add, *under current Technology* because you or I have no clue what will be developed tomorrow, next year, or next decade. I will leave it at that.

nothing against Eve online but by the time that technology is available it will probably be dead I don't see eve living for 40 years is another 10 to 15 years away

only if they give up their current infrastructure and go into cloud computing
CCP needs to research improbable OS the see if it's possible to make Eve compatible with it or Eve online 2 if they ever plan to make one which is highly unlikely

nothing against Eve online but by the time that technology is available it will probably be dead I don't see eve living for 40 years is another 10 to 15 years away

only if they give up their current infrastructure and go into cloud computing
CCP needs to research improbable OS the see if it's possible to make Eve compatible with it or Eve online 2 if they ever plan to make one which is highly unlikely

https://improbable.io/games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTuijWHwAsk

Last I checked, "cloud" =/= "magic".

Cloud typically just means something is stored or run on a distributed server rather than locally. What do you *think* is happening in EVE? So much facepalm. EVE is already extremely distributed, except for Dogma. It's embarassing that CCP (a company that runs one of the most advanced server clusters on the planet) has to keep explaining over and over again (to random schmucks who think their starbucks "barista" jobs qualifies them as engineers) why Dogma isn't multithreaded. The reason Dogma doesn't run multithreaded is because the overhead cost to do so would result in *worse* performance than a single thread. Even if they recoded it from the ground up.

There are a total of 2 ways to guarantee no tidi.

1) do what other MMOs do and limit player counts.
2) have enough processing power on a single core that the population of the entire cluster can play on one node. This would mean either a super powerful processor powered by unicorn farts and imagination, or far more likely a post apocalyptic TCU.

So yes, re: the title of the thread, yes it is possible to have no tidi. But the cost to doing so would be stupid. And don't you think, just maybe, that the people who get paid to do nothing else but make sure the server runs with the most effective setup in the world wouldn't be extremely aware of every development in the industry, both hardware and software? Man, sometimes EVE players are embarrassing.

What about ship movement? how much server calculation is needed to keep track of all the ships direction and speed?

Would it be possible to utilize a similar mechanic to that of the new fighter squadrons? As it stands tons of people are already Anchoring up during these fights, what if the "Anchoring" was a mechanic in the game that was used to reduce the number of processes needing. I am no computer guru so I hope someone else here understands what I mean.

Obviously this is over simplified and there are a lot of factors like skills that would make this a bit more complicated.

Remove downtime.

Force players to actually "finish" a battle of this scale, or leave their ships floating in space among the carnage.

Make it easier to jam out cyno becons to lower the rate at which reinforcements can enter the system/ force groups to work on cyno jaming/ destroying jammers in system. I would say possibly just increase the range of the mobile cyno inhib to come in line with the new grid size. Possibly even several AU

CCP cannot just remove it. There are certain things that need to be done daily for the game to work properly and the servers need maintenance as well.

Arguably they could move it when a big fight happen but we know the EVE player base would cheese it for all it's worth by finding the threshold they need to get over if they are winning and just need more time to mop up the opposition.

Arguably they could move it when a big fight happen but we know the EVE player base would cheese it for all it's worth by finding the threshold they need to get over if they are winning and just need more time to mop up the opposition.

CCP cannot just remove it. There are certain things that need to be done daily for the game to work properly and the servers need maintenance as well.

I'm sure 1 day a year (based on the current frequency of the fights I speak of) won't kill the servers. Even if it's a little risky - I would go for it just for the sake of epic game play.

Just for my own knowledge, could you list the things you know for sure won't survive past 24hrs??

Newsflash sweety - these fights are always controlled by groups that have been metagamingtheshit ouf of EVE for a decade. I'm feeling you're just afraid of maybe risking/losing you ships (not that WWB didn't make that clear enough). It's a good idea, you're just scared, we get that. Mutal assured cheesing will be the new norm. I likey!!!!