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manus
RENSCORP
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Posted - 2017.07.07 22:00:40 -
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Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money. |
Kaeden 3142
State Protectorate Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2017.07.07 22:20:26 -
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To be honest I don't even log in to skill update and this account is an alpha. |
Ebony Texas
The Knights Armada
47
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Posted - 2017.07.07 22:27:00 -
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manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.
what ever CCP does and does not do.. is at fault of its own community that allowed them to work this way.. so in all honesty... its your fault, my fault and new Eden's own fault.
I look at it like this..
yes! im paying ccp to watch them kill this game.. which they are not doing.. matter of fact.. eve online is one of the toughest mmo's out there in its own market.. some can handle the heat some can not... maybe you're the latter.. but to all of us hardcore fans that love to hate this game and stick around and see it burn.. I send out a salute to you all.
o7
the best ship is friendship.. that's what keeps us around.. remember that homeboy...
peace |
Eleanor Roscommon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2017.07.07 23:08:03 -
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two things:
1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.
2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.
well, three things,
born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.
either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.
Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62746
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Posted - 2017.07.08 00:20:25 -
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Eleanor Roscommon wrote:two things:
1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.
2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.
well, three things,
born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.
either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.
Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion?
Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks.
However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP.
Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Eleanor Roscommon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2017.07.08 00:46:15 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eleanor Roscommon wrote:two things:
1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.
2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.
well, three things,
born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.
either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.
Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion? Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks. However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP. Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed. DMC
You are correct it does not matter with you or I think. It's also a matter of perspective, and some just feel the need to say something.
Like complaining on the forums really does any good, and the sparing of opinions doesn't either.
BTW, your stats don't have a time lag like the ops. Now if you would have posted the original comment, I would not have questioned where it was coming from.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8688
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Posted - 2017.07.08 06:54:24 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eleanor Roscommon wrote:two things:
1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.
2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.
well, three things,
born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.
either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.
Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion? Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks. However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP. Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed. DMC
The "Great Malaise"Gäó started in late 2014.
If Eve was still balls to the wall SOV would have been "fixed" by removing all SOV mechanics and letting the players sort it out.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8688
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Posted - 2017.07.08 06:57:36 -
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manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.
Wow this was published today
And... maybe there is too much balance. It's becoming a dirty word around here.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
264
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Posted - 2017.07.08 10:28:30 -
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Oh it's that guy again.
Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
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Evocationz Adhera
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.07.08 10:35:23 -
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manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.
LOL, This is so stupid I don't even know where to begin with this statement
I refuse to belive this
> CCP's New Expansion, Respawn Expansion
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Marek Kanenald
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2017.07.08 11:25:57 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eleanor Roscommon wrote:two things:
1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.
2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.
well, three things,
born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.
either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.
Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion? Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks. However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP. Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed. DMC
>Whines about nefs
>Mining ships and ratting brings in more ISK than ever.
Ok rorquals have been scaled back down again but they are still superior to the old mining ships |
MedusaGalactic oO-V-Oo
Odyssee Frontier
0
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Posted - 2017.07.08 12:04:31 -
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manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.
I am 6 months here, and simply loving it, I see only wonderful stuff here, and nothing to cry about. Thank God this is an exclusive game club where you actually have to pay so that you actually get some quality stuff in return. |
Zorh
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2017.07.08 12:12:35 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eleanor Roscommon wrote:two things:
1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.
2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.
well, three things,
born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.
either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.
Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion? Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks. However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP. Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed. DMC I first played this game at 2004. Then somewhere between 2009-2017 I have stopped playing. Right now I have account open, but I cannot play longer than hour or so. It's just boring. There have been long periods where I haven't had a single active account. I have tried all different playstyles that I can imagine. Just not the game that it used to be even that it's much prettier than it was back then.
I would say that it's time to pull the plug and move on. Create a new game. Perhaps with better physics. The user interface is ok. I do not want to buy Ch fightersticks and stuff to command a space ship. I would love to see a EVE like game, but with realistic physics and deep immersion.
Right now the immersion level in this game is zero. Everything is known. There is no exploration since everything is known via different third party tools. But if you look at the big picture in our real universe, actually very little is known.
It was stupid to open up the data from the game. Third party tools are one major reasons why this game is so boring.
The lore is the reason why I still have open account. And the memories from the nullsec fights that do not exist anymore.
Micropayment Online is boring.
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Alaric Faelen
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
510
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Posted - 2017.07.08 12:20:37 -
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In before the thread lock |
u3pog
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
848
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Posted - 2017.07.08 12:39:23 -
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They just need to come up with good ideas - like few years back when they introduced wormholes.
Citadels and other new structures was a big project, but they've slowed down the pace lately, focusing on other things like microtransactions, PLEX vault, mini injectors etc...
Null sec is the biggest wheel in the engine and they need to stir the water there...People have been suggesting all kind of things, like shifting valuable resources. Players should get out of their fortresses and actually fight for something. Too many assets, wallets full, little activity...I include myself, but imma do something about it soon when I have more free time. |
The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
358
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Posted - 2017.07.08 14:04:50 -
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No they don't, all this whining is just players who have zero patience or want get rich quick crap
Go pick a fight, build a huge corp / alliance go take on the big boys
stop whining about it
CCP Please Don't Do This..
The Respawn Expansion
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Aoi Esahina
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.07.08 14:34:47 -
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Eleanor Roscommon wrote:two things:
1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.
2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.
well, three things,
born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.
either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.
Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion?
Care to explain how you came to learn all their accounts and alts?
All you can see is this one character, and you judged someone on that one character. Without a second thought of if they have any alts.
You sir fail at understanding the basic concept of EVE and are completely unaware of how this game truly operates. |
u3pog
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
849
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Posted - 2017.07.08 14:49:10 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:No they don't, all this whining is just players who have zero patience or want get rich quick crap
Go pick a fight, build a huge corp / alliance go take on the big boys
stop whining about it
So every different opinion is now marked as a "whining". I guess you haven't seen one of those CCPlease threads...
"Build a huge corp" - you say it like it's a done deal, all the freelancers out there just waiting for the messiah. So tell me what's your big plan to do with the recruits? Splash like a fly on a windshield? Why haven't you done it already? I have. I have fought the big guys and it was fun, but with a 0 consequences. You cannot stir the ocean with a pebble. All you can do is tease. Or join another big alliance that still does not want to fight.
Don't get me wrong, I do not support what OP says - I hope the game flourishes and get more players. I have been playing it for years and will continue to do so, I just pointed out few topics which were problematic in my humble opinion. That's what the forums are for.
If what you're saying is CCP should not do anything, but observe, they shouldn't have touched the game since 2005 when they introduced capital ships, but they do. Wormholes, Fozziesov, mining changes, and many more that affected null and EVE in general. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62753
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Posted - 2017.07.08 16:11:52 -
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Marek Kanenald wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eleanor Roscommon wrote:two things:
1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.
2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.
well, three things,
born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.
either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.
Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion? Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks. However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP. Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed. DMC >Whines about nefs >Mining ships and ratting brings in more ISK than ever. Ok rorquals have been scaled back down again but they are still superior to the old mining ships You obviously have no clue what I'm talking about and it definitely wasn't directed towards Mining ships. I've been an active member of this community since 6-2008 and I've seen most everything in this game get nerfed and placed on easy mode.
Hell, there's no more 'specialized' career paths available, ships and modules have been 're-balanced' so much that it's now become a continuous cycle of nerfs. Loot drop tables have been messed with for so long that they're almost nonexistent. ISK rewards from Agent missions have never been increased since their introduction into the game. Other aspects of the game have also been neglected due to CCP's constant cash grab with MT stuff.
It goes on and on, there's just way too many things to list and I've got much better things to do with my time.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Vanessa Celtis
Vanessa Atalanta
20
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Posted - 2017.07.08 16:35:01 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Marek Kanenald wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Eleanor Roscommon wrote:two things:
1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.
2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.
well, three things,
born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.
either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.
Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion? Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks. However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP. Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed. DMC >Whines about nefs >Mining ships and ratting brings in more ISK than ever. Ok rorquals have been scaled back down again but they are still superior to the old mining ships You obviously have no clue what I'm talking about and it definitely wasn't directed towards Mining ships. I've been an active member of this community since 6-2008 and I've seen most everything in this game get nerfed and placed on easy mode. Hell, there's no more 'specialized' career paths available, ships and modules have been 're-balanced' so much that it's now become a continuous cycle of nerfs. Loot drop tables have been messed with for so long that they're almost nonexistent. ISK rewards from Agent missions have never been increased since their introduction into the game. Other aspects of the game have also been neglected due to CCP's constant cash grab with MT stuff. It goes on and on, there's just way too many things to list and I've got much better things to do with my time. DMC
Unfortunately you are right. This is because CCP introduces bigger and bigger and bigger structures into the game and in order to afford and use them players need stability, not war. Improving simple missions PVE is obviously not part of CCP agenda, unfortunately, and providing new content to solo players neither. Equalizing the forces (aka nerfing) creates stability and is good for business and bad for quick fun. This game is becoming a political arena, simple pvp is still very possible and easy, but is no longer at the top of the food chain and the solo pvp'er roaming around new eden inflicting fear to large alliances looks like a joke.
The last step in this downfall spiral is selling out to EA. I just hope it won't happen. |
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
510
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Posted - 2017.07.08 20:00:05 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:No they don't, all this whining is just players who have zero patience or want get rich quick crap The EVE community is probably the most patient community in the entire gaming industry.
- For over a year people are complaining that citadels are too hard to remove and provide too much safety. Yesterday CCP has finally reacted to the criticism. Knowing from the past how fast CCP works, it will probably take several months until we see some real nerfs.
- The Rorqual. CCP needed more than 6 months to balance it. Meanwhile mineral market crashed and goons built thousands of capitals.
- Carrier ratting. Created a huge influx of extra ISK, up to 60 trillion per month. CCP needed 6 months to react.
- Ghost farming. More than 6 months passed before CCP did somthing against it.
- The Svipul was overpowered for how long ... like 2 years?
- ...
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Austin Blythe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2017.07.08 22:04:42 -
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MedusaGalactic oO-V-Oo wrote:Thank God this is an exclusive game club where you actually have to pay
Nope |
Pestilen Ratte
Fat Kitty Inc.
79
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Posted - 2017.07.09 00:36:08 -
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It isn't really fair to say that CCP have given up on Eve.
No, that wrong. It is totally fair. What has happened is that the majority owners want to cash out their shares, resulting in the firm being on the market. This has had the effect of creating huge job insecurity at the firm. All anyone wants to talk about is what will happen "when" some new firm comes in for a clean acquisition.
There are some things we know about such firms. Firstly, nobody ever gets sacked. No boss ever sacks a person for poor performance when the firm is for sale. There is no point. It is seen by everyone as an appeal to nobody. The current shareholders are jumping ship, why would any manager do something unpleasant to a worker for those guys? So, they don't.
So that means everyone can down tools, and it's cool. Management stop leading and retreat into their elite huddles, swapping important (not) gossip and guessing at the possible aspirations of the "new owners". Low level workers get "promotions" that involve doing their bosses work, but for no extra pay. All across middle management, folks invent special projects that take them out of the daily grind, and into gossip circles. The firm goes into autopilot.
This has absolutely happened in Eve. Nothing new has been done for a very long time, and none of the half baked efforts that were being hailed as the next big thing have come to pass.
But there is the thing: not all companies that are put up for sale get sold. In fact, a lot of companies put on the market by their owners never get sold. They just wither and die. This is because folks generally don't want to sell them if they are healthy and growing, and most everybody with enough money to buy a company of any size can afford a half way decent commercial attorney to tell them this well established truism. It is easy to shark children and young adults from sheltered backgrounds. It is very, very difficult to sell a turd to somebody with a spare 200 million in cash.
Eve is a special case because the owners are clearly a bit "special". They do things a special way (the Iceland Nobleman's Shark Pump?). So, instead of arranging the sale BEFORE talking about it, the owners decided that the thing to do was tell everyone and then search for buyers.
How is that working out for ya, fellas?
As I have said before, Eve subscription is cheap entertainment for anyone curious about how companies die.
I previously held out hope that some serious games company would buy the firm for the art assets and some of the lore, but now I think the smarter money would simply poach the better staff, and pay artists to recreate a similar aesthetic in another franchise. One with no baggage.
I give CCP six to twelve months to find a buyer, or they are done. After that, I fear it it will be time to switch out the lights, set fire to the tax receipts, and shoot the warehouse cat. |
Arcelian
Metentis
225
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Posted - 2017.07.09 11:47:26 -
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Yet another eve is dying thread. How quaint. |
Scath Bererund
SergalJerk Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2017.07.09 12:41:02 -
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CCP hasnt given up on eve. The trouble atm is they are doing what they want rather than what players want.
See the citadel cancer |
Valdr Auduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2017.07.09 13:14:32 -
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Arcelian wrote:Yet another eve is dying thread. How quaint. Is somebody updating the ticker? |
Keno Skir
1711
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Posted - 2017.07.09 15:30:55 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote:It isn't really fair to say that CCP have given up on Eve. No, that wrong. It is totally fair. What has happened is that the majority owners want to cash out their shares, resulting in the firm being on the market. This has had the effect of creating huge job insecurity at the firm. All anyone wants to talk about is what will happen "when" some new firm comes in for a clean acquisition. There are some things we know about such firms. Firstly, nobody ever gets sacked. No boss ever sacks a person for poor performance when the firm is for sale. There is no point. It is seen by everyone as an appeal to nobody. The current shareholders are jumping ship, why would any manager do something unpleasant to a worker for those guys? So, they don't. So that means everyone can down tools, and it's cool. Management stop leading and retreat into their elite huddles, swapping important (not) gossip and guessing at the possible aspirations of the "new owners". Low level workers get "promotions" that involve doing their bosses work, but for no extra pay. All across middle management, folks invent special projects that take them out of the daily grind, and into gossip circles. The firm goes into autopilot. This has absolutely happened in Eve. Nothing new has been done for a very long time, and none of the half baked efforts that were being hailed as the next big thing have come to pass. But there is the thing: not all companies that are put up for sale get sold. In fact, a lot of companies put on the market by their owners never get sold. They just wither and die. This is because folks generally don't want to sell them if they are healthy and growing, and most everybody with enough money to buy a company of any size can afford a half way decent commercial attorney to tell them this well established truism. It is easy to shark children and young adults from sheltered backgrounds. It is very, very difficult to sell a turd to somebody with a spare 200 million in cash. Eve is a special case because the owners are clearly a bit "special". They do things a special way (the Iceland Nobleman's Shark Pump?). So, instead of arranging the sale BEFORE talking about it, the owners decided that the thing to do was tell everyone and then search for buyers. How is that working out for ya, fellas? As I have said before, Eve subscription is cheap entertainment for anyone curious about how companies die. I previously held out hope that some serious games company would buy the firm for the art assets and some of the lore, but now I think the smarter money would simply poach the better staff, and pay artists to recreate a similar aesthetic in another franchise. One with no baggage. I give CCP six to twelve months to find a buyer, or they are done. After that, I fear it it will be time to switch out the lights, set fire to the tax receipts, and shoot the warehouse cat.
Didn't CCP actually post record profits last year?
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Dsparil
42 LVL's of Infinity Initiative Mercenaries
22
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Posted - 2017.07.09 15:47:01 -
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The illegal friendly fire feature and the universal killrights features all need to be rolled back. Do that and it'll make the game fun again. It'll turn it back into a true sandbox. Those two things killed a LOT of the game. That and the refining and reprocessing penalties chased some people away. |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
267
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Posted - 2017.07.09 16:00:41 -
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Dsparil wrote:The illegal friendly fire feature and the universal killrights features all need to be rolled back. Do that and it'll make the game fun again. It'll turn it back into a true sandbox. Those two things killed a LOT of the game. That and the refining and reprocessing penalties chased some people away. By "the game" you mean high sec. It is not the game, it's a tutorial zone of a game.
Refining penalties= less ore= higher price. At least in theory, overbuffed rorquals and ratting (gun mining) kept the price low, or even made it fall despite the reprocessing nerf. It also takes weeks (or months) to clear old caches and for the price to stabilize. Industry people know it's a very long-term business so those who left would leave anyway or were not true indies.
Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
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Pestilen Ratte
Fat Kitty Inc.
81
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Posted - 2017.07.09 16:08:20 -
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Keno Skir wrote:
Didn't CCP actually post record profits last year?
I'm not sure. I can't find any good data, anywhere. I saw that the majority owners want to sell, and that usually means revenues and profits are down. Not always, but nearly always.
Then there was the Valkyrie launch. that whole thing was so weird. CCP were partnering with Zuckerberg, but they went directly to capital markets for cash to launch the lead title for the Rift. Presumably he offered them a terrible deal, or no deal at all. But either way, the owners took a risk, betting more than the value of the firm, and it looks like that might have been a success.
I have heard that Valkyrie has done great business, which might explain why the owners of Eve want to cut and run. They may be simply sick and tired of it, and the drain on their best folks, who now want to do other things in the VR space. But that doesn't explain why they would not firewall Eve, and leave it to turn a steady profit under its own, distinct leadership.
I have this hobby, trying to work out what CCP are worth. Games companies are notoriously hard to value. They have IP assets that might be worth billions, or they might be worth nothing at all. Worse, fashion and short lived trends dominate the games industry and what is hot today could be a waste of money tomorrow.
I know CCP have large overheads for staff costs, compared to most gaming companies with only a few existing titles. They probably get significant government support for salaries, being a European "private company", so it is hard to know what percentage of their staff overheads are real costs, and what percentage is state participation. That is always kept secret, because obviously those funds don't travel with the IP to new jurisdictions (or even to new families within the same jurisdiction).
The fact that CCP have significant cash revenues and yet can't sell themselves hints to me that their books are closed. This is usually due to political support for the owners.
I have also heard that CCP have a messy and complex ownership structure, and that may be why potential buyers have stayed away.
In any case, it is a fascinating company, with lots of good things to recommend it, especially the artists, and we would all be pleased to see it under new, focused management, rather than being kept on life support while a buyer is found.
If i were advising the owners, I would be focused on Sony and the other cash rich, innovation poor mega corps in the gaming industry. Whatever it takes to get the books and policies ISO enough for that set, just bite the rope and get it done.
There is so much equity looking for a home just now, it is shameful CCP can't sell Eve. All they need to do is tell a few folks to shut up, a few others to pull up there pants and stop dribbling, and it would be a done deal already. |
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
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Posted - 2017.07.09 16:34:42 -
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I hope it doesn't get sold, despite people rumbling how CCP is "killing the game" with each patch, it still survived 14 years of "dying". EA would kill it in 2. (old) Blizzard would keep it alive for a couple of years but the current team would screw it up harder than Cain got screwed up by a pink butterfly in D3. Sony would turn it into a console game with dumbed down mechanics (and release even more dumbed down EvE 2 next year)... And so on.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
510
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Posted - 2017.07.09 18:15:49 -
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Dsparil wrote:The illegal friendly fire feature and the universal killrights features all need to be rolled back. Do that and it'll make the game fun again. It'll turn it back into a true sandbox. Those two things killed a LOT of the game. That and the refining and reprocessing penalties chased some people away. What. I didnt even notice these changes. |
Crash 888
TRINTEX
17
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Posted - 2017.07.09 18:40:30 -
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Forum warriors have given up on Eve-O. Sentiments such as these should have triggered a threadnought with at least double digit pages by now, even without customary 800 tippia posts. 2 pages over 2 days is very disappointing.
It's like when the canary in the mine stops chirping. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1251
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Posted - 2017.07.09 19:05:22 -
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Valdr Auduin wrote:Arcelian wrote:Yet another eve is dying thread. How quaint. Is somebody updating the ticker?
We're running out of space on the chalk board where we've been keeping a tally. At this rate, we'll need another one...and more chalk while we're at it.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2017.07.09 20:46:54 -
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To be fair it`s not only ccp fault. its the new way of playing that kills the game or better say it`s bleeding to death. Slowly. What ccp is trying to do is stop it. |
Kosoku
3Ra Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2017.07.09 22:25:22 -
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I am an alt but not quite sure this is really an alt. It's not hard to track down my main. All you need to do is look at founder of my one-man corp. I haven't logged in my so-called main for a loooong time.
I've played in Eve beta and started playing 4 days after official launch. (Box took 4 days to arrive)
During the most active moment, I had 4 accounts. Right now, I just have this one active. From my 14 or so years of playing, I do think Eve is drying out, not dying out. But I like the less population since I can find quieter systems.
Anyway, I liked Null far more when there was no sov mechanics. I think CCP refined the game too much that some parts aren't just fun anymore. |
Raffael Ramirez
Exanimo Inc Badfellas Inc.
80
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Posted - 2017.07.10 01:29:35 -
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Without CCP releasing any sub numbers its hard to tell what is going on, fact is all my friends I played with over the past years since launch have left the game - maybe it just a sub population of older players that just loose interest in the game who knows.
From looking through the upcoming features I can say that there is nothing there of any substance addressing the many flaws that leads to stagnation , null , empire wherever.
I am not sure if CCP wants to sell or if it is more difficult than we can imagine to handle the ancient code in a way that brings meaningful gameplay back into this "really not so sandboxy" sandbox or if it is indeed resignation.
In any case I agree that this game has become unnecessarily complicated - sov mechanics are one example or fitting mechanics or constant ship re-balancing that makes 50 % of the ships in-game unusable 10% OP and the rest are sub optimal but flyable. It seems that there is no real plan that drives all the patches and re-balancing and that they are only reacting to whatever enters their perception.
In all honesty I am not obsessed with eve anymore - I like to play it sometimes and will continue to support CCP as I have already invested too much in this game.Although I am really not happy with the way things are going! I am pretty sure the next iteration of EVE will be without me as CCP is clearly not trustworthy enough to invest long term.
In my opinion they have broken ALL promises and are traitors to their own vision of EVE - see f2p/p2w/skill injectors/PLEX.
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Valdr Auduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2017.07.10 07:59:30 -
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Johan Civire wrote:To be fair it`s not only ccp fault. its the new way of playing that kills the game or better say it`s bleeding to death. Slowly. What ccp is trying to do is stop it. There needs to be an advantage to playing suboptimally and not mono-speccing your damage profile. Personal opinion. |
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:there's just way too many things to list and I've got much better things to do with my time.
Are you trying to suggest you do other things, than posting on the official EvE forums?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28486
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Posted - 2017.07.10 16:21:22 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Didn't CCP actually post record profits last year? Indeed they did, to the tune of around a 30% increase in revenue.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-02-23-mine-asteroids-build-space-stations-this-is-the-purpose-of-life
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Aurelius Oshidashi
Hard-line Syndicate Serrice Council.
51
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Posted - 2017.07.10 17:36:54 -
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Well....each his own experience. In my corp i play with 10 year old vets and players from a week old. We are absolutely having a blast with the game and havent seen even one member leave us or the game in 6 months time, just some breaks for RL.
So if its all so bad like many say, why does our group, consisting not just of new and old players, but also folks from 25 different nationalities, have so much fun? |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1253
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Posted - 2017.07.10 19:12:39 -
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Aurelius Oshidashi wrote:Well....each his own experience. In my corp i play with 10 year old vets and players from a week old. We are absolutely having a blast with the game and havent seen even one member leave us or the game in 6 months time, just some breaks for RL.
So if its all so bad like many say, why does our group, consisting not just of new and old players, but also folks from 25 different nationalities, have so much fun?
Because you, my good man (or woman), have in fact found the answer many seek...a good group to hang out with. Who you fly with or even flying with anybody at all can do wonders for those "Eve is dying" moments we all honestly have irrespective of how well the game is doing.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
649
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Posted - 2017.07.10 20:17:12 -
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manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money. I would have given you a like - except for your conclusion.
I'm still enjoying Eve so I'm going to continue to give CCP my money with the HOPE they will get on the right track.
And I encourage others to do the same. The problem is many players have done everything they want to do in Eve, they were particularly irked by some CCP action, or they no longer believe in Eve's future - and have moved on to winning Eve. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
649
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Posted - 2017.07.10 20:25:06 -
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Ebony Texas wrote:what ever CCP does and does not do.. is at fault of its own community that allowed them to work this way.. so in all honesty... its your fault, my fault and new Eden's own fault. What?? Do you blame us for world hunger and nuclear weapons too?
We don't control Eve development, hiring, allocation of resources, player outreach -- it's not our fault. (Null Power Block Leaders that sit on the CSM exempted)
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Aurelius Oshidashi
Hard-line Syndicate Serrice Council.
51
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Posted - 2017.07.10 21:21:04 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Aurelius Oshidashi wrote:Well....each his own experience. In my corp i play with 10 year old vets and players from a week old. We are absolutely having a blast with the game and havent seen even one member leave us or the game in 6 months time, just some breaks for RL.
So if its all so bad like many say, why does our group, consisting not just of new and old players, but also folks from 25 different nationalities, have so much fun? Because you, my good man (or woman), have in fact found the answer many seek...a good group to hang out with. Who you fly with or even flying with anybody at all can do wonders for those "Eve is dying" moments we all honestly have irrespective of how well the game is doing.
Yeah its a great group and thanks for your kind words. These fun ppl to hang out with also invade our systems, or trade with us. They hang out in the eve Facebook group. I see many of them here on the forums too, like you, ppl with few and ppl with many posts.
And then you have the stream of frustrated folks. I have no problem with ppl complaining and going into deep detail about it. Thats playing the game too IMO. But the whines and the people who speak on behalf of ccp....like they sit in every ccp leadership meeting.... |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6740
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Posted - 2017.07.10 21:28:08 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote:Keno Skir wrote:
Didn't CCP actually post record profits last year?
I'm not sure. I can't find any good data, anywhere. I saw that the majority owners want to sell, and that usually means revenues and profits are down. Not always, but nearly always.
And where did you see this?
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Femma Rova
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.07.11 14:55:41 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Pestilen Ratte wrote:It isn't really fair to say that CCP have given up on Eve.
No, that wrong. It is totally fair. What has happened is that the majority owners want to cash out their shares, resulting in the firm being on the market. This has had the effect of creating huge job insecurity at the firm. All anyone wants to talk about is what will happen "when" some new firm comes in for a clean acquisition.
I give CCP six to twelve months to find a buyer, or they are done. After that, I fear it it will be time to switch out the lights, set fire to the tax receipts, and shoot the warehouse cat. Didn't CCP actually post record profits last year?
That's not necessarily good news. Why? Because the vast majority of the players (clients) don't know who really owns EVE. It's like the American FED, in a way. You know it's there, it prints "money", reports profits every year but.... wait... who owns it? And look what a mess has made from the US economy or the buying power or the USD.
If it's not a problem, why does the owner keep such a low profile? Wha't the big secret? Or is it a hidden agenda? Given there's a serious % of military (modules, ships, guns and so on) activity in this game, it is decent to assume the army has a certain interest in it?
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6740
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Posted - 2017.07.11 16:49:47 -
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Femma Rova wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Pestilen Ratte wrote:It isn't really fair to say that CCP have given up on Eve.
No, that wrong. It is totally fair. What has happened is that the majority owners want to cash out their shares, resulting in the firm being on the market. This has had the effect of creating huge job insecurity at the firm. All anyone wants to talk about is what will happen "when" some new firm comes in for a clean acquisition.
I give CCP six to twelve months to find a buyer, or they are done. After that, I fear it it will be time to switch out the lights, set fire to the tax receipts, and shoot the warehouse cat. Didn't CCP actually post record profits last year? That's not necessarily good news. Why? Because the vast majority of the players (clients) don't know who really owns EVE. It's like the American FED, in a way. You know it's there, it prints "money", reports profits every year but.... wait... who owns it? And look what a mess has made from the US economy or the buying power or the USD. If it's not a problem, why does the owner keep such a low profile? Wha't the big secret? Or is it a hidden agenda? Given there's a serious % of military (modules, ships, guns and so on) activity in this game, it is decent to assume the army has a certain interest in it?
You are seriously comparing the Federal Reserve to a smallish-to mid sized private company and trying to draw parallels? BTW, that objection "who owns it" can be made for most companies traded on stock markets. In fact, since alot of investors own stocks (and bonds and other assets) via things like their 401k, mutual funds, etc. shareholders provide virtually no oversight to management.
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Soleiyu
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2017.07.14 17:32:11 -
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EvE has fallen back beneath pre-alpha numbers, what that means I'm not sure - summer is here, and that in 2017 EvE is simply well outdated, I guess - and many people I played with over the years are, like myself, alpha slumming it or just gone/dead. We've already done basically everything in the game that could interest us, myself having conspicuously avoided ever flying caps or being otherwise involved in capital fights, cos even when the caps are free, **** that s.......h........i.....*accidentally deactivates module*.
It's perfectly clear that EvE will not grow again in anything like it's current, 14 years old, form (and despite patches etc, the game is very similar to it's inception way back in 2003...that's like centuries in tech terms....single core cpus, gpus with tiny heat sinks that cost in real terms even more than they do now...and EvE). Myspace came and went, along with basically all the other MMOs.
Good few years left in it though, it'll make 20 years I reckon until most of the hardcore players die from sitting at multi-monitor setups 23/7 for 2 decades.
I'm not an anti-EvE troll, as you can tell from the fact I still capitalise the e's in EvE, thus showing my respect and good nature towards the game, but CCP are obviously eyeballing other places they can take the EvE IP, just not the clunking, nightmarish TQ. |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6748
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Posted - 2017.07.14 18:28:54 -
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Soleiyu wrote:EvE has fallen back beneath pre-alpha numbers, what that means I'm not sure - summer is here, and that in 2017 EvE is simply well outdated, I guess - and many people I played with over the years are, like myself, alpha slumming it or just gone/dead. We've already done basically everything in the game that could interest us, myself having conspicuously avoided ever flying caps or being otherwise involved in capital fights, cos even when the caps are free, **** that s.......h........i.....*accidentally deactivates module*.
It's perfectly clear that EvE will not grow again in anything like it's current, 14 years old, form (and despite patches etc, the game is very similar to it's inception way back in 2003...that's like centuries in tech terms....single core cpus, gpus with tiny heat sinks that cost in real terms even more than they do now...and EvE). Myspace came and went, along with basically all the other MMOs.
Good few years left in it though, it'll make 20 years I reckon until most of the hardcore players die from sitting at multi-monitor setups 23/7 for 2 decades.
I'm not an anti-EvE troll, as you can tell from the fact I still capitalise the e's in EvE, thus showing my respect and good nature towards the game, but CCP are obviously eyeballing other places they can take the EvE IP, just not the clunking, nightmarish TQ.
My guess is the die hards actually do not sit at their PCs 23/7. I can only speak for myself, but I prefer to find in game revenue sources that meet my needs with the least time involved. Making ISK in game is generally boring...but I do it to fund my PvP activities.
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LulKlz Duster
Iudicium Phalanx Federation
16
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Posted - 2017.07.14 18:49:16 -
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I've been in Eve for little over a year. Been to HS, Null, WH and everything in between and I still feel like a noob. There is no way in hell everyone has done everything. A few vets I'm sure have but the majority are just reluctant to try something new.
In WH space I rolled holes and did PI.
HS I was mining and doing missions.
Null I'm finally doing the PVP thing. (Not going well but it's going)
Hell I've even done courier contracts.
Try something different. It's only a game after all. |
Raffael Ramirez
Exanimo Inc Badfellas Inc.
84
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Posted - 2017.07.14 22:25:46 -
[52] - Quote
LulKlz Duster wrote:I've been in Eve for little over a year. Been to HS, Null, WH and everything in between and I still feel like a noob. There is no way in hell everyone has done everything. A few vets I'm sure have but the majority are just reluctant to try something new.
In WH space I rolled holes and did PI.
HS I was mining and doing missions.
Null I'm finally doing the PVP thing. (Not going well but it's going)
Hell I've even done courier contracts.
Try something different. It's only a game after all.
Thank you! You just solved all problems with eve - ever!
You are still in the honeymoon phase - long may it last!
Once your type of game play has been completely obliterated because the ship you fly has been deemed OP or the activity you are doing with your mates has been "updated" so no one actually wants to do that activity any more, or the other thing you do finally got boring and you want to take it to the next level - ah wait that level has not been introduced in decades because of the nerf that was mentioned before took precedence.
The current game you are playing is playable some areas are even fun, sure - but once you are done with all your skill injectors to "catch up" and done all your carebearing to build up cash you will realize that the current system leads to a stalemate in the most important areas of the game and that the final tier of activity, that you put all this effort in to be ready, is broken.
There is a history in this game of dangling cool new stuff in front of your nose to keep you playing, then removing those features in the new expansion. The stuff is either never ever talked of again or when its hits TQ is unrecognizable from the first iteration and leads to more problems then it solves. It's a sequence of great ideas badly executed and feedback completely ignored, this is what gets you in the end - loosing your ships once in a while is actually fun compared to the bitter disappointments of broken promises.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6748
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Posted - 2017.07.14 23:18:41 -
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Raffael Ramirez wrote:LulKlz Duster wrote:I've been in Eve for little over a year. Been to HS, Null, WH and everything in between and I still feel like a noob. There is no way in hell everyone has done everything. A few vets I'm sure have but the majority are just reluctant to try something new.
In WH space I rolled holes and did PI.
HS I was mining and doing missions.
Null I'm finally doing the PVP thing. (Not going well but it's going)
Hell I've even done courier contracts.
Try something different. It's only a game after all. Thank you! You just solved all problems with eve - ever! You are still in the honeymoon phase - long may it last! Once your type of game play has been completely obliterated because the ship you fly has been deemed OP or the activity you are doing with your mates has been "updated" so no one actually wants to do that activity any more, or the other thing you do finally got boring and you want to take it to the next level - ah wait that level has not been introduced in decades because of the nerf that was mentioned before took precedence.
Translation: I'm butthurt and don't care about game balance and mechanics.
Which nerf did you in? The Rorqual nerf or the fighter nerf?
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Mitch Braddox
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2017.07.15 01:03:44 -
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I'm sure all of you know this already, but every single MMO is in decline these days. Unless they have just started, in which case most of the newcomers in the market will be dead within 5 years.
The markets for these kinds of games are just too saturated, and a lot of people prefer phone games these days.
So let's face it, the golden years are over for everyone. But EVE is still among the giants, easily in the top 5 of all MMO's, and will remain there for the foreseeable future. EVE will survive, but there's no going back to the top subscription figures of a few years ago. Every game, including WoW, must be prepared to it.
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Raffael Ramirez
Exanimo Inc Badfellas Inc.
85
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Posted - 2017.07.15 03:07:51 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Raffael Ramirez wrote:LulKlz Duster wrote:I've been in Eve for little over a year. Been to HS, Null, WH and everything in between and I still feel like a noob. There is no way in hell everyone has done everything. A few vets I'm sure have but the majority are just reluctant to try something new.
In WH space I rolled holes and did PI.
HS I was mining and doing missions.
Null I'm finally doing the PVP thing. (Not going well but it's going)
Hell I've even done courier contracts.
Try something different. It's only a game after all. Thank you! You just solved all problems with eve - ever! You are still in the honeymoon phase - long may it last! Once your type of game play has been completely obliterated because the ship you fly has been deemed OP or the activity you are doing with your mates has been "updated" so no one actually wants to do that activity any more, or the other thing you do finally got boring and you want to take it to the next level - ah wait that level has not been introduced in decades because of the nerf that was mentioned before took precedence. Translation: I'm butthurt and don't care about game balance and mechanics. Which nerf did you in? The Rorqual nerf or the fighter nerf?
Ah goons
Nope, couldn't even fly cap ships until 3 days ago but nice try. Why argue when you can insult someone and brush off their point of view- glad that at least goons never change.
My feeling is not tied to any specific re balances or nerfs but an observation from the past few years I played this game.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6748
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Posted - 2017.07.15 06:22:55 -
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Raffael Ramirez wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Raffael Ramirez wrote:LulKlz Duster wrote:I've been in Eve for little over a year. Been to HS, Null, WH and everything in between and I still feel like a noob. There is no way in hell everyone has done everything. A few vets I'm sure have but the majority are just reluctant to try something new.
In WH space I rolled holes and did PI.
HS I was mining and doing missions.
Null I'm finally doing the PVP thing. (Not going well but it's going)
Hell I've even done courier contracts.
Try something different. It's only a game after all. Thank you! You just solved all problems with eve - ever! You are still in the honeymoon phase - long may it last! Once your type of game play has been completely obliterated because the ship you fly has been deemed OP or the activity you are doing with your mates has been "updated" so no one actually wants to do that activity any more, or the other thing you do finally got boring and you want to take it to the next level - ah wait that level has not been introduced in decades because of the nerf that was mentioned before took precedence. Translation: I'm butthurt and don't care about game balance and mechanics. Which nerf did you in? The Rorqual nerf or the fighter nerf? Ah goons Nope, couldn't even fly cap ships until 3 days ago but nice try. Why argue when you can insult someone and brush off their point of view- glad that at least goons never change. My feeling is not tied to any specific re balances or nerfs but an observation from the past few years I played this game.
So you are just generally butthurt....okay. Good to know so everyone can just write you off as a whiner.
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Kim Joo Won
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2017.07.15 22:19:47 -
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manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money. (I'm only half way through reading this thread, however ... ) I wanted to point out that HILMAR said this at FANFEST. He said they have NOTHING planned for EVE Online and their attention is focused on the 99 VR projects they have which are expected to result in loses! Hilmar said, while showing a graph, that when VR was first released sales rocketed off thanks to 'early adopters', but since its release sales of VR has slumped DRAMATICALLY. And, when he consulted his Fortune Teller she told him that if he sacrificed a pig and drew his bank account number on the ground in the pigs blood then VR sales would take off again. |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6748
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Posted - 2017.07.15 22:23:08 -
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Kim Joo Won wrote:manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money. (I'm only half way through reading this thread, however ... ) I wanted to point out that HILMAR said this at FANFEST. He said they have NOTHING planned for EVE Online and their attention is focused on the 99 VR projects they have which are expected to result in loses! Hilmar said, while showing a graph, that when VR was first released sales rocketed off thanks to 'early adopters', but since its release sales of VR has slumped DRAMATICALLY. And, when he consulted his Fortune Teller she told him that if he sacrificed a pig and drew his bank account number on the ground in the pigs blood then VR sales would take off again.
Better than using a chicken with its head cutoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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DioKahn
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2017.07.16 01:02:22 -
[59] - Quote
CCP has ruined the game and this forum is a joke. I can barely stand logging in long enough to update skills before I am bored. Eve has become just a place for multiboxers and that's CCP's only hope to show fake numbers for their business. I have over 40 accounts. I hate nullsec blobs and capitals, I hate empty markets and I hate PVE. I hate the changes CCP has been making to remove solo Pvp and I cannot stand the carebears that dominate these forums or how CCP allows it to happen.... bored for now, see ya tomorrow or maybe not. oh, btw. I don't give them a dime of irl money or more than 15 minutes of my day. |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
282
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Posted - 2017.07.16 01:13:39 -
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Can I have your stuff?
Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6748
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Posted - 2017.07.16 04:03:01 -
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DioKahn wrote:CCP has ruined the game and this forum is a joke. I can barely stand logging in long enough to update skills before I am bored. Eve has become just a place for multiboxers....I have over 40 accounts.
Hahahahaha
Whatever.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
330
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Posted - 2017.07.16 12:37:58 -
[62] - Quote
Sounds like manus is phising the forums to use your replies as a semi-legitimate reason to war dec your corporations. |
Lords Servant
Slave Holdings
0
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Posted - 2017.07.16 13:07:23 -
[63] - Quote
Left for a few years, ccp has been killing this game for a very long time. This won't be the the last eve is dead thread either. |
Jaqen-H'ghar of Braavos
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2017.07.16 17:43:42 -
[64] - Quote
manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.
That's some high quality bait ya got there |
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
50
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Posted - 2017.07.16 19:29:08 -
[65] - Quote
Ebony Texas wrote:manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money. what ever CCP does and does not do.. is at fault of its own community that allowed them to work this way.. so in all honesty... its your fault, my fault and new Eden's own fault. I look at it like this.. yes! im paying ccp to watch them kill this game.. which they are not doing.. matter of fact.. eve online is one of the toughest mmo's out there in its own market.. some can handle the heat some can not... maybe you're the latter.. but to all of us hardcore fans that love to hate this game and stick around and see it burn.. I send out a salute to you all. o7 the best ship is friendship.. that's what keeps us around.. remember that homeboy... peace
peace o7 |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
756
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Posted - 2017.07.17 16:44:05 -
[66] - Quote
DrysonBennington wrote:Sounds like manus is phising the forums to use your replies as a semi-legitimate reason to war dec your corporations.
So hes both an idiot and terrible at pvp, nice to know I guess.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome
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Ragnar STS
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
97
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Posted - 2017.07.17 17:38:40 -
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I consider it an honor and a privilege to pay my subscription. I love eve and CCP. I only wish half the carebear null losers would actually get half as excited about a decent fair battle as they do about forum warrioring and plexing their accounts leaving CCP with nothing except an electric bill. |
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
59
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Posted - 2017.07.18 10:40:54 -
[68] - Quote
EVE keeps declining according to eve-offline. There has been no solid new gameplay for years.
I got an perfect illusion. CCP don't have any programmer. I'm wrong. There may be one to modify data of ships or more. They do have a lot of artworkers. |
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
59
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Posted - 2017.07.18 10:53:16 -
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At the end of year the max number of online players might decrease below 20k according to the trend of decline. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2700
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Posted - 2017.07.18 19:33:19 -
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Eve is dying! I blame the CSM!!, No the Gooms!!, Wait, I blame supercaps!!, oh wait, its the "violence inherent in the system!"
It all started downhill when CCP failed to deliver dancing in stations!
rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble!!!!! |
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Padraig O'Mahone
Doom Generation Best Intentions.
3
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Posted - 2017.07.18 19:47:48 -
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EvE is good because EvE is hard.
It's a sandbox, you create your own content, there are plenty of different choices in New Eden. It IS possible you simply don't like any of them. So, leave I guess?
I love EvE, I have 6 accounts and I gladly pay for all of them with real money. Been here 6 1/2 years and will be here til they pull the plug on Tranquility.
Pretty funny all the tales about EvE "dying", or "CCP killing EvE" and it's been around for 14 years. Slowest death, ever....
If you don't like it anymore, OK, it's a subjective thing, you can un-sub. Not sure I understand the need for you to convince others to do the same. How does that benefit you?
Anyway, just weird. WE should all leave, because YOU don't like it anymore. Whatever |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62830
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Posted - 2017.07.19 02:17:13 -
[72] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Eve is dying! I blame the CSM!!, No the Gooms!!, Wait, I blame supercaps!!, oh wait, its the "violence inherent in the system!"
It all started downhill when CCP failed to deliver dancing in stations!
rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble!!!!!
It all started back when CCP Soundwave & Co were in charge.
That's who I blame.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Debitum Naturae Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2017.07.19 04:12:52 -
[73] - Quote
I don't know much because ive only been in the game for about 6 months, but i don't mind giving my money to be able to do what i want, especially seeming as i haven't heard of or know of any other games that give an experience similar to eve's. |
Joan Maetsuycker
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2017.07.19 13:00:06 -
[74] - Quote
I think they will build further on Valkyrie now it is not possible because of the tech, but 2018-2020 it can be possible that we will play Eve in VR/AR, fully implemented market and such.
In your own room that has changed as a strategy war room you look together to a AR strategy board how to attack that citadel or a group of enemies or talking in a bar with your comrades wat you drink is visible by the other and you can celebrate your victory, your own room is the captians quarter and you look at your wall to scope news etc |
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
51
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Posted - 2017.07.22 03:54:26 -
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Padraig O'Mahone wrote:EvE is good because EvE is hard. It's a sandbox, you create your own content, there are plenty of different choices in New Eden. It IS possible you simply don't like any of them. So, leave I guess? I love EvE, I have 6 accounts and I gladly pay for all of them with real money. Been here 6 1/2 years and will be here til they pull the plug on Tranquility. Pretty funny all the tales about EvE "dying", or "CCP killing EvE" and it's been around for 14 years. Slowest death, ever.... If you don't like it anymore, OK, it's a subjective thing, you can un-sub. Not sure I understand the need for you to convince others to do the same. How does that benefit you? Anyway, just weird. WE should all leave, because YOU don't like it anymore. Whatever
I agree, one has to wonder when someone complains there is no new content. Like what? hahaha! I appreciate EvE Online. It can be as boring or as fulfilling as I need it to be at a moments notice. Well, it goes almost like that. LoL
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Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
51
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Posted - 2017.07.22 03:57:11 -
[76] - Quote
Padraig O'Mahone wrote:EvE is good because EvE is hard. It's a sandbox, you create your own content, there are plenty of different choices in New Eden. It IS possible you simply don't like any of them. So, leave I guess? I love EvE, I have 6 accounts and I gladly pay for all of them with real money. Been here 6 1/2 years and will be here til they pull the plug on Tranquility. Pretty funny all the tales about EvE "dying", or "CCP killing EvE" and it's been around for 14 years. Slowest death, ever.... If you don't like it anymore, OK, it's a subjective thing, you can un-sub. Not sure I understand the need for you to convince others to do the same. How does that benefit you? Anyway, just weird. WE should all leave, because YOU don't like it anymore. Whatever
YEAH! I'm following,... Wait! what did he just say? EvE Online Not a game for many, but a lifestyle for the rest. CCP you guys are like yo-yos, but thanks just the same. (:
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Reyold Bengali
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2017.07.23 19:56:49 -
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Returning after a multi-year break. Nice to see that "EvE is dying" threads are still a thing. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3504
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Posted - 2017.07.23 20:36:48 -
[78] - Quote
There are only two facts that can be established. One is the PCU, the other CCP's financials.
The two are in conflict. The PCU demonstrates a definite, sharp, and ongoing decline in PAYING customers. The 2016 financials show a healthy CCP.
Has CCP taken a page out the null sec cartel playbook and monetizing each account like never before? Undoubtedly yes.
Can they maintain that profitability and squeeze even more from a shrinking player base? We are going to have to wait for the 2017 numbers before we can pronounce Eve dead.
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Pestilen Ratte
Fat Kitty Inc.
91
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Posted - 2017.07.24 12:04:14 -
[79] - Quote
That is an interesting article. It has numbers from published accounts, so they are real.
However, nowhere does it mention "profits". If you read carefully, "revenues" have increased by 30%, and "EBIDTA" "sits at" 45% of revenues.
EBIDTA is what you have left before you pay interest, amortisation, insurance and tax. It doesn't tell you much about profit unless you know the debt burden.
I think the Valkyrie launch has provided extra cash earnings, thus the jump in revenues, but that the launch project also cost a bunch in loans which need to be paid back.
Now, these numbers could be fantastic. CCP might only have a wee bit of debt, and it could be paying dank dividends.
The other thing they could be doing is leveraging their core IP assets in other ways. The article mentions a collaboration with Ridley Scott, and it also mentions the appeal of a social media platform for broken nerds. Obviously folks who will put down 100 US pesos for a marauder license are an appealing demographic.
So I would want to see dividends before talking about profits. Still, they are not dead yet. They will lurch forward for at least a few years yet.
The directors ought to get back to work. |
Lauranthin Shaishi
OverPrime Metals
0
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Posted - 2017.07.24 12:16:35 -
[80] - Quote
manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.
Done. Just canceled. Toodles. |
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6760
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Posted - 2017.07.25 05:20:50 -
[81] - Quote
Lauranthin Shaishi wrote:manus wrote:Hi there,
Please stop supporting CCP, they have given up on EVE online.
The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money. Done. Just canceled. Toodles.
Wait! Can I have your stuff too?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Austin Blythe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2017.07.25 09:18:52 -
[82] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:There are only two facts that can be established. One is the PCU, the other CCP's financials.
The two are in conflict. The PCU demonstrates a definite, sharp, and ongoing decline in PAYING customers. The 2016 financials show a healthy CCP.
Has CCP taken a page out the null sec cartel playbook and monetizing each account like never before? Undoubtedly yes.
Can they maintain that profitability and squeeze even more from a shrinking player base? We are going to have to wait for the 2017 numbers before we can pronounce Eve dead.
Yep. CCP knows which way the wind is blowing in terms of PCU. Wouldn't surprise me if they follow Blizzard's lead and remove the server population display from the launcher and prevent third parties from obtaining that information. It's more damaging to have your declining player count advertised than it is to stop publicising the figures. |
Tearian Firespray
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.07.29 03:59:19 -
[83] - Quote
Started in june 07 1 account by 2011 I had 7 and slowly dropped them one by one over the next 4-5 years...Now I have no sub's at all one main account I don't even log in anymore and the 2nd alpha that's just for ***** and giggles.
Its Friday peak time and less than 20k players.....If that doesn't say something for the state of the game I don't know what does.
Pretty much everyone I started with is gone.....90% of the people I played with in the last few years gone.....
I loved this game I really did, played it well over 30,000 Hours easy. Made billions and still have billions but CCP has **** all over vets and new bros to the point people just said f-it....
If CCP would have made good on the "letter" Himlar wrote about 3 years ago **** would be golden but as we can all see it was total B.S.
I honestly can't name one thing that was the cause, the list would be pages long of the crap over the years that has turned people away myself included. Almost every aspect I enjoyed is nerfed to **** or just out right gone....
Maybe one day CCP will wake up or sell the I.P. to someone who cares to save a sinking ship but as it stands now I won't be holding my breath as they have ignored pretty much all of us this whole time anyway.
P.S. no you can't have my stuff I would rather trash it.....
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2017.07.30 11:30:43 -
[84] - Quote
This game began long before 2003 and it will continue long after Tranquility is a pile of junk in a landfill in Kenya. You can despair-quit if you want to, but we all know there is only one way out of this game. And when you do finally log out, please send my regards to oblivion. I hope to still be playing then and for as long as I can afterward.
Fly safe. Live long and prosper. And may the force be with you. |
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1155
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Posted - 2017.08.02 01:35:38 -
[85] - Quote
Austin Blythe wrote: Yep. CCP knows which way the wind is blowing in terms of PCU. Wouldn't surprise me if they follow Blizzard's lead and remove the server population display from the launcher and prevent third parties from obtaining that information. It's more damaging to have your declining player count advertised than it is to stop publicising the figures.
I'm surprised they haven't done it already but maybe they just don't care any more - the current stats paint a fairly pointed finger at what they are doing wrong.
Interestingly there isn't a shortage of uptake of new players - in fact outside of specific peaks its as strong as its ever been yet there is still a strong downward trend in any objective activity metric that the alpha clone thing only momentarily stalled but its back in force now. |
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