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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:16:00 -
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ôBut if you were suggesting that a shield recharge nerf will hurt Myrms as much or even anywhere remotely as much as Drakes, then that's a very silly argument to put it mildly.ö
A Myrm has a stronger passive tank then amour tank and a stronger passive tank then a Drake. So how would a shield recharge nerf not hurt the Myrms as much or even anywhere remotely as much as Drake?
For PvP the nerf is a none issue is its more hitpoints and resistance you use then regen. For PvE both ships are overpowered and need the nerf.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
AegriSomnia
Caldari
Aegis Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Storm Strike
Edited by: Storm Strike on 21/05/2007 20:02:34
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Originally by: Mathias Orsen
The problem simply comes from having a ship that if not hit by more damage than it can sustain (wich is a high amount) the drake is invincible.... and invincibility is far from balance.
Ummm....Isnt this true for everything in every game? If you cant do more damage than it can take, isnt ANYTHING invicible? Isnt a BS considered invincible to a NooB ship? I dont quite understand your point here. 
Thats funny. Are you comparing a t2 fit battleship's damage to a noobship's? Afterall we are talking about a battleship not able to kill a battlecruiser, not a battleship that cant be killed by a noobship.
Pretty darn sure I didnt say anything about T2 fittings, but lemme scroll up and reread what I posted...............Uhhh, nope! Im getting nothing. Just seemed like a weak point. Not specific enough?
I have responded a billion times about this subject. I'm tired of you whiners crying about 1% of the Drakes out there with uber tanks. 99% of people cant afford the mods, rigs and implants that are needed to acheive ubertank. I am against the nerfbat of ANYTHING. People spend so much time earning ISK, training skills and whatnot to acheive greatness, and EVE nerfs it. Talk about demoralizing.
Lets all just train to be miners, kinda hard to nerf a mining laser, but may be the "Save the 'Roids" crowd might gain momentum if we're all miners. THEN we will nerf strip miners. Very ecologiaclly unfriendly, strip mining............
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alyth
I don't see many battleships, gank or nay, throwing out the 1400dps required to break a decent drakes tank. the rest doesn't matter
Then you should get out more and see better Myrmidons because it sounds like these here Battleship thingies are rubbish for damage.
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AnKahn
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:32:00 -
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The main question is, on the long list of EvE problem areas, why passive shield tanking now? Why not "tune" NOS a bit? Fixing Nanos was an emergency everyone agreed, but Drakes of Doom are taking over EvE?
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Aegis Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:08:00 -
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nullSAVE THE DRAKE, FLY A MYRMIDON!!!!
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justcheckingthemarket
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:26:00 -
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f**k the drake!
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Jackal79
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:11:00 -
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If the drake gets nerfed the mymi should go down with it. Its drone bonus should be cut to 5% damage per level only.
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Royaldo
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jackal79
If the drake gets nerfed the mymi should go down with it. Its drone bonus should be cut to 5% damage per level only.
whats the argument for this really?
"OK, I'm getting mildly offended by you now, Bhaal. That's just ridiculous. In june, close to 1000 paying accounts were banned. You do the math on how much that costs us financially." |
Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 22/05/2007 19:00:32
ôThe main question is, on the long list of EvE problem areas, why passive shield tanking now?ö
Passive tanking got unbalanced with the first and 2nd hitpoint boost and two shield extender changes. The shield extended changes where not to boost HP regen it was to get more hitpoints to extend combat but the devs over looked how this would affect passive tanks as few people used them back then. With the extender powergrid also getting done everyone started swapping shield recharges to extenders so passive tanks suddenly double to tripled in HP regen and hitpoints overnight. This wasnÆt too bad at first but with shield relays T2 and T2 purgers on top and the 2nd hitpoint boost things have started to get silly tank wise.
Passive tanking is in need of a good rewrite.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
The Fluff
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:08:00 -
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I have a question for all of the "wah wah my bs cant wtfpwnzor a bc" crowd. Why is it that everyone thinks battleships should be the end all be all ship of eve. OMFG a ship besides a battleship might be useful for something?!?!? Please please CCP whip out the nerf bat so that I can go back to being secure in flying the only class of ship that can do anything. Personally I hate battleships. EVERYONE in EVE flys a battleship. All anyone wants is bigger guns and more hitpoints so they can blow stuff up. Personally I refuse to follow the crowd. Thats why i chose the BC as my ship class of choice. Now, I realize that this comes with some serious drawbacks such as smaller guns. However, why is it so bad that the BC cant have a cool little niche like passive tanking? Especially in this day and age when a large nos pretty much destroys anything else, why would you want to nerf the one thing thats immune to it?
Now, seriously stop whining about a ship that will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER kill you unless your a total moron! If you lose the MINIMUM of 2 slots for a web and a warp disrupter then this OMFGWTFBBQPWNZOR tank every crys about becomes nothing more than a stiff piece of cardboard in a hurricane. Yes, I have sat in my drake and had a buddy load out a torp raven with a full rack of bcuIIs and tanked him indefinatly due to reload times. SO WHAT! I couldn't leave, or hurt him myself. The uber passive tank is COMPLETELY unviable for the pvp environment, and yes that even includes the pwnzor myrmidon, because once again warp away stupid.
Now, for those of you who actually have the nerve to complain about pve. Please stop playing eve. Crawl back into whatever sledge covered cesspool you came from and quit crying about someone making a couple of mil an hour running missions. Dont forget that even though, yes they can walk away from the computer, it still takes 2 hours to do a level 4 in a drake, and thats assuming that you actually can even kill the bs spawns.
Seriously, go back to your blasterthrons and your nosdomis and whatever other giant uber wtfdpspwnzor battleships you fly and leave the poor bc pilots alone.
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Almarez
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:30:00 -
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What is wrong with the Drake? You can get a passive tank on it with the same shield rep ability of two large shield boosters. This is a GREAT anti-inty setup. If you want some DPS for larger ships, heavy assault missles are great. I'm lost here.
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BMWM6
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:12:00 -
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where does it say in the patch notes that the drake gets the nerf in tomorrows patch ?
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Gerrard Lea
Caldari
Exotica Venture
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:06:00 -
[43]
gimme gimme linky linky to where it says this.
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Phish1
Liberty Forces
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:09:00 -
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Join the NERF THE DRAKE movement!!!
a ship that can tank a full on gank fitted T2 BS doing 1000+ dps should not be allowed to do it... while not using ANY CAP AT ALL!!! and still being able to do damage.
like a bat out of hell it will be nerfed when the next patch comes!
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Gnord
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:05:00 -
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I don't think the solution is nerf the drake.
I think the solution is improve the battleship recharge times to match.
Make the battleship recharge times 2000 seconds for shields, all the way around.
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Spacer John
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Posted - 2007.05.23 05:25:00 -
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There is no PVP justification to nerf the Drake. PVE-wise the Drake is a much better choice than other BCs, but far less effective than Ravens. So nerfing the Drake for PVE reasons, when anyone that knows anything about running missions will do it in a Raven, is totally unwarranted.
Some Drakes can tank some T2 BS Gank setups. Calling a nerf justified for only this ONE aspect of a ship is blind ignorance to the ship and environment of PVP overall.
They say ignorance is bliss. Now more of those BSs will be able to blow away the Drake while the Drake still has very little offensively (DPS or utility beyond tanking sentries) to show for it. Enjoy it.
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Misanth
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.23 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: The Fluff
I have a question for all of the "wah wah my bs cant wtfpwnzor a bc" crowd. Why is it that everyone thinks battleships should be the end all be all ship of eve.
Because 1) battleships is the biggest wtfpwnzors ship pre-capitals, with the heaviest weapons and most slots to fit them 2) battlecruisers (espec passive shield tanked ones) have big enough sig radius for the battleship to make max use of its damage potential.
As someone else said in this thread.. think we should go up against drakes in dreads?
--- bring back the pvp to EVE ---
Remove: local, non-dictor bubbles, capital ships, re-move the hp boost and: put 'nos hardpoints' (0-1 on non-amarr, 1 on amarr, 3 arbitrator and 4 amarr recons) |
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