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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 22/05/2007 08:29:16
Originally by: DeckardIRL
LV were strategically in a bad position with hostile regions surrounding them... impossible to defend... (I wonder where they are going to be moving to?)
Disbanded ? Don't see them in the alliance ranking anymore. Everyone going their own way. Shinra pilots joined BoB, M.Corp is now in Deklein, good luck there, and QUAM has joined Anarchy Empire, don't know about Finfleet, Galactic Empire, Juba etc. But if RAGoon loses territory, someone is needed to move in, someone who is able to defend there, because it's a bit far away from BoB's home and their western allies.
*edit* western ofc.
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Redbad
Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:33:00 -
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To the OP: Denial is always wrong, wavering politics are never strengthening your postition, I agree, but it is always difficult to take the first step in diplomacy. Most often the first steps are therefore done by third parties to clear a better path to talks (And with third parties I don't mean rambling alts).
But alas, if you say you are not on official business then your warning will no doubtly be dismissed as propaganda instead as an invitation to actual talks.
RB
P.S. I represent myself, always have done that, always will do that.
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CorpShop Open
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: CorpShop Open on 22/05/2007 09:04:26 LETS JUST PEW PEW....
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
I want to know why *any* news about D2's thoughts is supposed to be important and splattered across my screen for a while whenever I come on. Or why they were only questioned about all their problems. And why do people still care about claims to NPC regions?
I want to see Gurista's respond to Tri's claim to Venal if D2 is being asked to respond to it. I mean...that would be a cool event. Maybe it will even be a feature of the factional warfare. Come on NPC's, fight back! =D
You need to remember we "claimed" Venal ONLY because it was "claimed" by D2 before. It started as a corp joke when we moved into Venal and saw absolutely zero D2 pilots. Yet on maps it was marked as D2 space. In short: if you don't like claiming NPC regions blame D2 not TRI.
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papaPadla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ikarushka stage one: denial... Linkage
Neah... first stage was a loooong time ago... now they are hitting the barganing stage -------------------------------------
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
I want to know why *any* news about D2's thoughts is supposed to be important and splattered across my screen for a while whenever I come on. Or why they were only questioned about all their problems. And why do people still care about claims to NPC regions?
I want to see Gurista's respond to Tri's claim to Venal if D2 is being asked to respond to it. I mean...that would be a cool event. Maybe it will even be a feature of the factional warfare. Come on NPC's, fight back! =D
You need to remember we "claimed" Venal ONLY because it was "claimed" by D2 before. It started as a corp joke when we moved into Venal and saw absolutely zero D2 pilots. Yet on maps it was marked as D2 space. In short: if you don't like claiming NPC regions blame D2 not TRI.
I don't know the circumstances of how the map was made or how the story started, but nowadays I think the influence map is much better, but of course, everyone is entitled to have his opinions and beliefs.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:03:00 -
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Heh these threads remind me of the ASCB/BoB "war", soon as you admit you suck they will praise you to the high heavens for your "honesty"
TBH its very easy when you are the top dog(s) to just sit around pointing out everyone elses failings, as these threads never fail to show.
Anyway, I am off to kill some more orcs, another couple of levels and I get to ride my own horse. w00t.
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:37:00 -
[128]
O.k gave a clean up of the thread, removed the usual dosage of "u cheat" type posts and cleaned a few of the more "colourfull" posts.
let try and keep this clean and on topic.
*ding* *ding* round 2...
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Agnst
Amarr Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Zeros Omega
A general reply to the BoB allies stuff: Everyone. I mean everyone, allied with BoB knew what their job was they were told this. Meatshield In return we will provide full support. Every Dread, every Carrier, every Titan, every ship we can find with a pilot. Their job was to hold on tight. And they did an expert job at it, every last one.
Excuse me?
What the hell kind of rubbish are you writing?
The only "meatshield" anywhere near this game is you. So get back to pewpew'ing and stop talking about stuff that you obviously have no clue about.
Newbs coming into rkk talking like they mean something make me cry.
dbp
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:39:00 -
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Nothin wrong with being a meatshield, keeps ya on the front line where the fun is
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Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc O.k gave a clean up of the thread, removed the usual dosage of "u cheat" type posts and cleaned a few of the more "colourfull" posts.
let try and keep this clean and on topic.
*ding* *ding* round 2...
Indeed.
I'm sure we can talk all day long about what happened, when and why but some of us were there, we saw it and we have a good working knowledge of history and current events. So before we get sidetracked yet again on 'How the fountain campaign was faught' and 'which tactics won the day' I'd like to suggest we return to the topic which is 'What happens now?'
As I mentioned previously I had a long running thread about a month or two ago asking, no pleading with the coalition to explain why they were waging all out war with the south. The answer which was given time and time and time again by numerous members that they needed a reason to 'pew pew' and that 'blowing stuff up was fun'.
Hey, I can relate. However, is it still fun? IS the coalition still enjoying themselves? I started this thread with a plea to D2 to reconsider their priorities and as Blacklight pointed out...
"Edit: On topic, there will be no peace, some people have a large slice of their own hubris to be rammed down their throats before we are done."
Bob is a bit upset. Now this is a problem in which many people in the south have an easy solution for. I am proposing an alternative, not to bob and not to anyone in the south. I am proposing to D2 that they rethink their current path because 'Lets just pretend like we're not in a state of collapse' might not be the best course of action for the coalition.
I've received convos today assuring me that Bob would not accept any request for a truce, but it's an easy thing for Bob to say as no request has ever been made nor does one seem likely.
Let me further state that if the coalition continues on it's path to annihilation despite the fact that it has exhuasted none of it's other options. I will have no sympathy for the end result.
How can I? How can I... a Bob zealot and G hater, put aside my differences and reach out to all of you only to be told 'No no, thats okay, we'll just go on ahead and die.' Honestly guys, it doesn't have to be like that. Either turn this war to your favor or seek to preserve what you have left, but setting yourselves on fire will not spite anyone but the people that NAPed up to aid you.
Think about that.
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Iasius
Warp Angels
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:46:00 -
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The end of an alliance is ten thousand years of misery, dead will walk the earth and wearing white jeans will come back in fashion.
.. Not at all its part of evolution in eve. I fought in LV to the end and now have gone my own way. I cherish my memories of the victories and losses. I have changed gear and take my experience with me.
I am quite sympathetic to some of the coalition. But fancy words and denial is a zero sum game. Take it on the chin. ................................................ I post with my main, so should you. Alt's are hecklers |
Dashhammer II
Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 14:48:00 -
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I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
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AvanCade
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:10:00 -
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There will never be peace, only war and death.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:29:00 -
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EVE without explosions would make me a sad panda.
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Buxaroo on 22/05/2007 16:10:29
Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
Well put.
But off-topic: Ra and plexes and Skiffs? Was there some kind of exploit involving skiffs? RA and plexes go together like bread and butter I know but where do skiffs fit in?
Sorry to pseudo-derail thread
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larietta
production management team
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2 Nothin wrong with being a meatshield, keeps ya on the front line where the fun is
god ive changed my mind dont shoot murphy shoot doc he loves it
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0August0
Gallente Gooch Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight ...because of the coalition leadership's collective incompetence.
I keep seeing this in BoB and Bob pet posts, but I don't believe one has ever existed. AFAIK the "coalition" has always been a bunch of separate alliances who were normally red to each other. They put that aside temporarily to fight you guys and would be going back to being red to each other as soon as it was over.
That is not the same thing as a unified command structure ala a WW2 SHAEF. There never was an "Eisenhower" to coordinate the efforts of the various would be Pattons and Montgomerys out there and that, imo, is why you guys are winning. . . . Regards, August |
Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: 0August0
Originally by: Blacklight ...because of the coalition leadership's collective incompetence.
I keep seeing this in BoB and Bob pet posts, but I don't believe one has ever existed. AFAIK the "coalition" has always been a bunch of separate alliances who were normally red to each other.
Which is ultimately why they lost. No overall command and control. It's not rocket science, more common sense, but they had their chance and failed to capitalise on it (as you rightly highlight).
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:55:00 -
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Quote: imo, is why you guys are winning.
Then get it fixed ffs. Things would be sooooo much more fun and involving if the coalition would coordinate. Look at poor old Intrepid Crossing, who not only got zero support from the rest of the coalition while we beat them into submission, but also had the pleasure of getting ganked by AAA every day in the process. Nobody else is going to stop paying rent and join the coalition with that example.
Bring on the Goon Messiah to unite the various groups so we can have proper totalwar again like it was before :)
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:08:00 -
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Wait. WasnĘt Aneu that was a center piece of organizing the coalition? Because that would explain everything.
The truth will set you free
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Kramer Verone
Amarr TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:14:00 -
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The truth doesn't matter. The victor will dictate the truth, and that is as it should be.
We consider our forgetfulness a weakness, but in truth, it is one of our greatest strengths. Without it, we wouldn't be able to move on and evolve.
If the Alliance wins... it will be blasphemous to associate the word cheat to BOB. MC will move out of BOB space and reclaim their neutrality and respect. FIX and Xelas will be known as very capable and resilient alliances that fought back gloriously and defeated their aggressors. LV never died, they simple moved to a better region. Aftermath and Rise are unexpected new talents that show promise of becoming powerblocks in their respective quadrants of the galaxy.
As for the Northern Coalition... someone best coined D2 as the greatest "paper tiger" in eve history. Evoke, the ship jumpers, will be mocked as no skill gate campers and low-sec belt hunters. The rest of the northern alliances will be known as incapable forum whiners and chestbeaters that just couldn't adapt to the changing face of warfare.
Quote: Whether you seek redemption or new glory, you must realize there is no place for morality in war.
Therefore, be wise and fight like you had none, and reclaim it in victory.
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DeadWeight
Minmatar Botox Bandits
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:30:00 -
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This is an alt because I don't feel comfortable posting with my main on this issue. Suffice it to say I am one of the alleged pets in Branch now.
I don't think its correct to say that D2 did nothing for FLA and its allies in Pure Blind and Fade. They threw billions in POS's and structures at the problem, and it was the persistence of the allies that burned through those. They did make the odd attempt to destroy cap fleets but failed. I wish D2 fought with greater tenacity in the battles that count (at POS's coming out of reinforced) instead of at gate camps and such.
Its easy to flame this person or that or point to a killboard, but lets be honest for a moment. If you have a tower coming out of reinforced and you bring sufficient forces to gaurd carriers while theyn recharge it, chances are you wont get a fight. People in EvE (BoB & allies included) never engage when there is any margin of uncertainty. So you face a choice between losing a POS and complete boredom, it really is a catch 22. The former will cost you isk and stations, and the latter will cost you a far more important resource: people.
I've said it before and said it again, this war is about a massive land grab and outpost build up. When rev2 and constellation sov comes around, defenders will have some real tangible advantages they don't have now.
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0August0
Gallente Gooch Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Astasia Orian Then get it fixed ffs.
I don't think it could ever happen as they are all independant alliances who would normally prefer to be fighting each other.
It's like having an organized sports team play against a bunch of walk on players. Even worse since the walk-on's all have agendas which go beyond the particular match.
Imagine, if you will, the Jovians suddenly appear and it forces BoB and the Goons to become allies against them. Could they work together efficiently? Could BoB take orders from Goon or vice versa?
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: DeadWeight People in EvE (BoB & allies included) never engage when there is any margin of uncertainty.
50 BoB caps v 80 coalition caps doesn't count?
Your statement is far too emphatic. Many--if not all--people engage when they cannot lose. Nobody but drunk people (hi, IAC!) engages when they cannot win. Few have the strength, or stupidity, to engage when they probably won't win.
Regardless, however, your point is valid if taken another way. If you don't defend your POS, when you have a specific and exact time to log on and a specific type of ship to be in, and a home-court advantage in the form of POS guns and a pre-loaded grid, your alliance deserves to die. That's the real reason people hate POS-spam--there's no fight there, and (in many, though not all) cases, you wouldn't need to POS-spam if you'd just defend your existing towers.
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DeadWeight
Minmatar Botox Bandits
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: DeadWeight on 22/05/2007 18:32:26
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: DeadWeight People in EvE (BoB & allies included) never engage when there is any margin of uncertainty.
50 BoB caps v 80 coalition caps doesn't count?
Your statement is far too emphatic. Many--if not all--people engage when they cannot lose. Nobody but drunk people (hi, IAC!) engages when they cannot win. Few have the strength, or stupidity, to engage when they probably won't win.
--P
Your statement is a lie. I really won't sit here and quote the number of times I did want to jump in only to be told to wait for greater numbers while I die of boredom. Suffice it to say that there was not one single fight I have been in yet that I felt that my cap ship was at risk of anything.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
Look ma another one that forgot to put is BoB main in the forum.
You have no rigth to talk about cheats,remember bloods complexes whoring?Remember the pacts that BoB made with some "known" macroers corporations.....The T20 incident....The event team =?Remember the shooting true POS?Remember the killing off ascn leadership in this forums?
Remember when you were neutral?
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Frankenstein X
AGA Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2007 15:06:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II I'm actually not sympathetic to them. But I feel guilty. I shouldn't, but I do. A few members of prime orbital systems told me in local today that I shouldn't feel guilty, that they enjoy being hunted. I guess that is some consolation. Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way.
Whenever you feel that way, remember the double cross by D2, after Trust sold the Cassini station to ISS for tens of billion. Or Jacob the Goon's treachery. Remember RA's plex farming and and use of Skiffs. Remember the cowardice of the D2 Mothership pilots in C4C. Remember FLA's solo defence of their stations, and the ignominious 'we didn't want those stations anyway' from IRON. Remember the polarization, the abuse and the ****train insults, the months of forum posts and how they have turned.
Then show no mercy - send them all back to Jita or or their clone vat or WoW, while more worthy alliances and pilots take their place in the 0.0 stations they vacate.
Myn
Look ma another one that forgot to put is BoB main in the forum.
You have no rigth to talk about cheats,remember bloods complexes whoring?Remember the pacts that BoB made with some "known" macroers corporations.....The T20 incident....The event team =?Remember the shooting true POS?Remember the killing off ascn leadership in this forums?
Remember when you were neutral?
Ou comon , this thing about cheating toooo old , NOBODY CARE , if u have nothing to say , don't post crap , don't make urself look more idiotic than u r atm .
STFU with that crap already .
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AvanCade
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: DeadWeight Edited by: DeadWeight on 22/05/2007 18:32:26
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: DeadWeight People in EvE (BoB & allies included) never engage when there is any margin of uncertainty.
50 BoB caps v 80 coalition caps doesn't count?
Your statement is far too emphatic. Many--if not all--people engage when they cannot lose. Nobody but drunk people (hi, IAC!) engages when they cannot win. Few have the strength, or stupidity, to engage when they probably won't win.
--P
Your statement is a lie. I really won't sit here and quote the number of times I did want to jump in only to be told to wait for greater numbers while I die of boredom. Suffice it to say that there was not one single fight I have been in yet that I felt that my cap ship was at risk of anything.
Get your own cyno and jump yourself and engage solo then, rather then whinning about it here like a nubcake.
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