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Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Galk on 21/05/2007 17:15:53 Originally by: darklegionca Originally by: KentachiSamurai Originally by: CCP Arkanon The GM has been reprimanded and this will hopefully not repeat itself. Why he did this, I don't know, since I have not yet had an answer from him. Please set me straight but I can't seem to understand this? it means they just gave him a slap on the wirsts and told him not to do it again but again i would have had him fired for it Since when/how can take reprehensible action when you havn't been able to asertain the facts from the direct party involved in the incident I belive that was the former posters lack of understanding. ______
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Ginger Magician so forth and so on, etc, ...Snowy do not receive help from GM's and we dont need it. Very comendable, however on another note, should any rich GM's wish to sponsor a pirate corp for as little as xxx isk per month, your donations would be very welcome, remember, charity starts at (our) home. Hey u never know it might have worked, u dont ask u dont get... Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
KLear	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:21:00 - [33] --P Impersonating me, while theoretically possible, is a very unlikely scenario, nor do I believe anyone could get away with that or with suppressing petitions. There is a way to contact CCP Internal Affairs directly, but remember that we only deal with issues regarding abuse of power or other staff related matters. We do not overturn petition replies, that is up to Senior GMs to decide. Our email address is [email protected], but please do not email us about anything that does not directly concern staff misbehaviour. The issue is ... why is CCP tolerating staff misbehaviour when it is very likely that they are VERY much aware of it. Sorry, I am stopping here. This will be taken from now directly with that department.
SirDregann IV Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:21:00 - [34] Originally by: Miz Cenuij I feel all dirty, No doubt CCP have been through my accounts, logs and conducted a "rubber gloved" search of Battlestar Miz! OMG, did you find my adult holoreal collection, or my "used" panty collection? Ignore that Minmitar slave whench in the hold, she's the ummmm, chef. BTW that donkey is for recreational use and is not in any way abused. No it isnt. Im gonna get out of my flight suit now, so get those rubber gloves on Arkanon, you gotta search my butt, I wanna get up close and personal with u big boy ! Im a Miz Fanboi now.
Achem	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:24:00 - [35] there's more to this than what we're being told. And if you don't believe that, you're a sheep. What up on my T2 BPO's Miz ? Hook it up GM boy :D
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:26:00 - [36] Maybe someone from CCP can explain to me why no action was taken against Ginger for using the Carrier scoop exploit. For those who don't know, there was a bug by which if the carrier attempted to scoop a piloted ship, the player in the piloted ship would experience a phenomenal lag spike. This has been fixed by CCP now. Ginger exploited this bug more than once, I reported it, and I reproduced the issue myself and filed a bug report. I would like to know why exploitation of this bug did not result in a ban. Time to answer the tough questions rather than just say "nothing to see here, move along". ------------------- 09:F9:11:02:9D:74:E3:5B:D8:41:56:C5:63:56:88:C0
KentachiSamurai g guild	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:33:00 - [37] Edited by: KentachiSamurai on 21/05/2007 17:31:24 Originally by: Achem snip There is no need to troll -Sahwoolo Heh, silenced for suggestion, ugh For those interested, he suggested all might not be as it seems...
KLear	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Jacque Custeau Maybe someone from CCP can explain to me why no action was taken against Ginger for using the Carrier scoop exploit. For those who don't know, there was a bug by which if the carrier attempted to scoop a piloted ship, the player in the piloted ship would experience a phenomenal lag spike. This has been fixed by CCP now. Ginger exploited this bug more than once, I reported it, and I reproduced the issue myself and filed a bug report. I would like to know why exploitation of this bug did not result in a ban. Time to answer the tough questions rather than just say "nothing to see here, move along". Perhaps we should arranage an external forum where we can gather reports with all these situations then submit it to CCP and request an answer and action to be taken.
Achem	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:40:00 - [39] geez can't a guy just speak his mind without being "GAGGED" xD
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:06:00 - [40] This is why smack is bad kids. ------------- The above user should never be taken seriously.

CCP Arkanon	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:12:00 - [41] Originally by: KentachiSamurai Edited by: KentachiSamurai on 21/05/2007 17:15:36 Originally by: darklegionca it means they just gave him a slap on the wirsts and told him not to do it again but again i would have had him fired for it That's what I thought, but how do you slap someone's wrist if you've not spoken to them '... since I have not had an answer from him.' Sorry if it seems I'm being awquard. Well, sinister as this all may seem, the explanation for this is simple. An email has been sent to the GM (reprimanding him and asking for clarification), but he has not answered yet. That's the best we can do for now. CCP Arkanon CCP Internal Affairs [email protected]

Janeway	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:14:00 - [42] I was in local when all this kicked of and its good to see that CCP are looking into and talking about the matter. It has gone some way in convincing me that they are trying to route out the corruption problem they appear to be having.
Achem	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:14:00 - [43] the forums are where smack belongs, corny jokes or not.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:17:00 - [44] Will Internal Affairs look at the actual procedures rather than just how it is carried out? GMs are giving people back ships on petition that they shouldn't be, I know this because I've made some test petitions and gotten back ships lost in normal PvP. Some GMs are giving completely contradictory answers to each other on the same question, too, though that's nothing new. What's worst is situations such as this one, where not only did a GM act inappropriately, but their judgement was wrong. Both sides of this verbal conflict were insulting each other harshly, but when one petitioned for harassment, their own insults were ignored while the person they petitioned against was punished. This is the way it's always worked, in my experience. It is complete rubbish and it needs to change. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Templer Relleg Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:19:00 - [45] But what makes me wonder, is how does a GM without intention write "Miz" no less then several times, in a petition?
KLear	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:20:00 - [46] Originally by: KentachiSamurai Originally by: CCP Arkanon The GM has been reprimanded and this will hopefully not repeat itself. Why he did this, I don't know, since I have not yet had an answer from him. Please set me straight but I can't seem to understand this? This gagging was one really good proof of CCP quality of service. Ginger sent the petition and in less then 1 minute ... the gagging happened. LOLOL ... am i impressed. internal affairs it is ... i am not getting anywhere relying on the GMs.
Cordial Ripper Minmatar g guild	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:20:00 - [47] in the end the main ideea will be: Ginger is known for using game mechanics and not only, exploting bugs wen they are, using tricks that are more or less covered by the rules and in the end he get's no punishment. i have heard and and seen player's geting banned for 1 or 2 CCP rules violation. indeed they where capital mistakes and they got what they deserved, but how come wen gigner does a bounch of "smaller" mistakes he doesent get's banned? i have against anyone but let's be fair here. i expect if i ever make a mistake to be punished acordingly, but i also expect that anyone who has or will make a mistake will be punished in a fair masure. if anyone tell me :"Proof or stfu" (as i expect to get for this) i only say this lisen to the voices of the players who yelled for the last months and u will hear what i had to say in this reply
KLear	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:28:00 - [48] Miz again :) .. he fitted 4 (or something like that) L smartbombs and was warping his Nyx right near the control tower in a low sec situated POS, attempting to hit the structures inside the bubble. A petition was sent about it, although it was kinda logical nothig can or will be done about it. Well .. the answer to the petittion was exactly that ... "nothing we can do about that". Like Nyphur said: some GMs do their job ... some couln't care less or even worse.
SirDregann IV Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Nyphur Will Internal Affairs look at the actual procedures rather than just how it is carried out? GMs are giving people back ships on petition that they shouldn't be, I know this because I've made some test petitions and gotten back ships lost in normal PvP. Some GMs are giving completely contradictory answers to each other on the same question, too, though that's nothing new. What's worst is situations such as this one, where not only did a GM act inappropriately, but their judgement was wrong. Both sides of this verbal conflict were insulting each other harshly, but when one petitioned for harassment, their own insults were ignored while the person they petitioned against was punished. This is the way it's always worked, in my experience. It is complete rubbish and it needs to change. qtf it seems like some GMs have different borders than others. This definitely needs to be addressed by CCP
KLear	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:36:00 - [50] Originally by: SirDregann IV Originally by: Nyphur Will Internal Affairs look at the actual procedures rather than just how it is carried out? GMs are giving people back ships on petition that they shouldn't be, I know this because I've made some test petitions and gotten back ships lost in normal PvP. Some GMs are giving completely contradictory answers to each other on the same question, too, though that's nothing new. What's worst is situations such as this one, where not only did a GM act inappropriately, but their judgement was wrong. Both sides of this verbal conflict were insulting each other harshly, but when one petitioned for harassment, their own insults were ignored while the person they petitioned against was punished. This is the way it's always worked, in my experience. It is complete rubbish and it needs to change. qtf it seems like some GMs have different borders than others. This definitely needs to be addressed by CCP Does CCP really care? ... this kind of threads are or were (before they have been locked or deleted) all over the forum for AGES. If an attempt on CCP side to fire dodgy GMs happened, we might have seen a difference by now.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:36:00 - [51] Originally by: SirDregann IV qtf it seems like some GMs have different borders than others. This definitely needs to be addressed by CCP Internal Affairs would need to review a lot of random cases to make that actually work in any way effectively, though. If they only work based on what is reported to them, they'll only detect negative abuse. Positive abuse will go almost completely unnoticed. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:51:00 - [52] We at CCP have every confidence in our GM staff members, and we assure you that this might not happen again. - --------- DukeHeart > We dont like those terms, Phoenix does not agree.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:52:00 - [53] Originally by: CCP Arkanon Originally by: KentachiSamurai Edited by: KentachiSamurai on 21/05/2007 17:15:36 Originally by: darklegionca it means they just gave him a slap on the wirsts and told him not to do it again but again i would have had him fired for it That's what I thought, but how do you slap someone's wrist if you've not spoken to them '... since I have not had an answer from him.' Sorry if it seems I'm being awquard. Well, sinister as this all may seem, the explanation for this is simple. An email has been sent to the GM (reprimanding him and asking for clarification), but he has not answered yet. That's the best we can do for now. Ark, if you wanted to reinforce trust in you, you might want to consider letting people contact you directly. If people suspect GM abuse, making them use the GMs/petition system to report it is a principally flawed system. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:53:00 - [54] Edited by: Malachon Draco on 21/05/2007 18:52:43 Edited by: Malachon Draco on 21/05/2007 18:51:46 Originally by: Robert Dobbs We at CCP have every confidence in our GM staff members, and we assure you that this might not happen again. Impersonating a CCP employee? Quote: Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account. Note the 'even in jest' part. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
KLear	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Robert Dobbs We at CCP have every confidence in our GM staff members, and we assure you that this might not happen again. Hehe ... at least someone to cheer us up :) .. greetings to BOD
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:00:00 - [56] Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 21/05/2007 19:00:10 Originally by: Malachon Draco Ark, if you wanted to reinforce trust in you, you might want to consider letting people contact you directly. If people blah blah blah Read the thread before you reply, he already gave instructions on how to contact the internal affairs team directly. - --------- DukeHeart > We dont like those terms, Phoenix does not agree.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:03:00 - [57] Originally by: KLear Miz again :) .. he fitted 4 (or something like that) L smartbombs and was warping his Nyx right near the control tower in a low sec situated POS, attempting to hit the structures inside the bubble. A petition was sent about it, although it was kinda logical nothig can or will be done about it. Well .. the answer to the petittion was exactly that ... "nothing we can do about that". Like Nyphur said: some GMs do their job ... some couln't care less or even worse. I believe that used to work; I heard horror stories from a corpmate who accidentally aggroed his own POS and got scrambled the moment he exited. However, when I tried it on Sisi the other day, it didn't give damage messages for hitting the modules. Originally by: KLear Perhaps we should arranage an external forum where we can gather reports with all these situations then submit it to CCP and request an answer and action to be taken against the GMs who didn't take the corrective action. That's a terrible idea. Why not get an answer directly from the horse's mouth, first? All you'll get are a bunch of trolls saying, "O ya me 2" without any proof, and people going, "omg no wai!" and getting everyone fired up over something that turns out to be nothing. If you want to start up such external forums, fine. But I wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole; they'd be full of self-reinforced nonsense. (To witness how easy it is for a forum meme to reinforce itself even with explicit CCP and involved-party denial, check out the threads that crop up every so often where people claim BoB had a titan before ASCN. Cyvok, Molle, and (Kieron? TomB?) have all said they didn't, ffs.) --P
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Robert Dobbs We at CCP have every confidence in our GM staff members, and we assure you that this might not happen again. Funny because you're BoB and because of the tinfoilers. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Coupo Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:12:00 - [59] Im in a bob thread!! no wait.. no.. yeah I am. I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:22:00 - [60] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Robert Dobbs We at CCP have every confidence in our GM staff members, and we assure you that this might not happen again. Funny because you're BoB and because of the tinfoilers. Jim, think he posted with the wrong account??? I mean this is just clasic here!! Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.

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