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Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:28:00 - [61] Originally by: Malachon Draco Not sure why you are still here considering your rules violation, but anyway. Quick history lesson for you, CCP (Cake, Cookies and Pie) was the name of our alliance before the ingame alliance system came in to place. In any case, the impersonation rules forbid impersonating individuals, which I was not attempting to do. I appreciate your concern for my wellbeing. - --------- DukeHeart > We dont like those terms, Phoenix does not agree.

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:43:00 - [62] Thread cleaned. Please refrain from flaming the CCP staff and trolling in this thread. Arkanon - Thanks for the quick investigation. ___ Email Us \| Forum Rules \| Our Website EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER

Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:49:00 - [63] You know, I agree with the fact that the GM was extremely rude in his approach to the gag. It doesnÆt seem that he nesecaraly was tied to the person he said in the gag, however a member of the opposing force. Think about it, giving away that they are the person gets there character ground down, corporation ruined, and several other drastic problems. An intelligent person wouldnÆt have that done to their own character, but if you make it look the slightest like your opponent was a member of the ôhigher powerö in the game it will wreck hell on them and their group. And I do thank Arkanon for the internal affairs email, as I have issues with a few GMÆs that I need addressed. Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
Matrius	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:09:00 - [64] I'm sorry to say this but this Internal Affairs thing can only be a joke: The GM did a bad thing. Internal Affairs send a mail to the GM saying you can't do that anymore ok? The GM doesn't even bother to answer. End of issue. Wow, really impressive the way Internal Affairs handled that
Mogrin Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:27:00 - [65] Originally by: darklegionca Originally by: KentachiSamurai Originally by: CCP Arkanon The GM has been reprimanded and this will hopefully not repeat itself. Why he did this, I don't know, since I have not yet had an answer from him. Please set me straight but I can't seem to understand this? it means they just gave him a slap on the wirsts and told him not to do it again but again i would have had him fired for it Jesus you people need to chill the FK out. You are talking about someone's IRL job, not some hobby. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:31:00 - [66] Originally by: Matrius I'm sorry to say this but this Internal Affairs thing can only be a joke: The GM did a bad thing. Internal Affairs send a mail to the GM saying you can't do that anymore ok? The GM doesn't even bother to answer. End of issue. Wow, really impressive the way Internal Affairs handled that All that happened was an employee was rude to a customer. What did you think would happen? Don't be confused by the name "Internal Affairs." EVE is not the real world and GM abuse is not akin to police misconduct. It's a customer service issue. ----------------------------------------------------
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:34:00 - [67] We need GM Dave on the case. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Matrius	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:38:00 - [68] Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Originally by: Matrius I'm sorry to say this but this Internal Affairs thing can only be a joke: The GM did a bad thing. Internal Affairs send a mail to the GM saying you can't do that anymore ok? The GM doesn't even bother to answer. End of issue. Wow, really impressive the way Internal Affairs handled that All that happened was an employee was rude to a customer. What did you think would happen? Don't be confused by the name "Internal Affairs." EVE is not the real world and GM abuse is not akin to police misconduct. It's a customer service issue. Sure it's a customer service issue, imo that's what makes it even more frustrating. If I was the customer, I wouldn't be happy with the implications the issue had on the GM at fault. If you would talk to a costumer that way in any normal profession, you would have been fired pronto. No way to go about it imo.
Pretty Pansy	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:25:00 - [69] Originally by: FireFoxx80 We need GM Dave on the case. Negative; This is clearly a case for Batman.
Hyldabrand	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:29:00 - [70] These are the days of our Eve online....
Syril Mert Dawn of a new Empire Pure.	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:36:00 - [71] Originally by: Matrius Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Originally by: Matrius I'm sorry to say this but this Internal Affairs thing can only be a joke: The GM did a bad thing. Internal Affairs send a mail to the GM saying you can't do that anymore ok? The GM doesn't even bother to answer. End of issue. Wow, really impressive the way Internal Affairs handled that All that happened was an employee was rude to a customer. What did you think would happen? Don't be confused by the name "Internal Affairs." EVE is not the real world and GM abuse is not akin to police misconduct. It's a customer service issue. Sure it's a customer service issue, imo that's what makes it even more frustrating. If I was the customer, I wouldn't be happy with the implications the issue had on the GM at fault. If you would talk to a costumer that way in any normal profession, you would have been fired pronto. No way to go about it imo. No. What kind of third world country do you live in? Everyone can have a bad day.
Ralara Caldari Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:38:00 - [72] Originally by: Matrius Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Originally by: Matrius I'm sorry to say this but this Internal Affairs thing can only be a joke: The GM did a bad thing. Internal Affairs send a mail to the GM saying you can't do that anymore ok? The GM doesn't even bother to answer. End of issue. Wow, really impressive the way Internal Affairs handled that All that happened was an employee was rude to a customer. What did you think would happen? Don't be confused by the name "Internal Affairs." EVE is not the real world and GM abuse is not akin to police misconduct. It's a customer service issue. Sure it's a customer service issue, imo that's what makes it even more frustrating. If I was the customer, I wouldn't be happy with the implications the issue had on the GM at fault. If you would talk to a costumer that way in any normal profession, you would have been fired pronto. No way to go about it imo. Rubbish. I've said "fu.. you" to a customer before when I worked at capital one, and got off with a verbal warning. Real men CORPSE-TANK.
Matrius Slaughters of Scum Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:45:00 - [73] Originally by: Syril Mert Originally by: Matrius Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Originally by: Matrius I'm sorry to say this but this Internal Affairs thing can only be a joke: The GM did a bad thing. Internal Affairs send a mail to the GM saying you can't do that anymore ok? The GM doesn't even bother to answer. End of issue. Wow, really impressive the way Internal Affairs handled that All that happened was an employee was rude to a customer. What did you think would happen? Don't be confused by the name "Internal Affairs." EVE is not the real world and GM abuse is not akin to police misconduct. It's a customer service issue. Sure it's a customer service issue, imo that's what makes it even more frustrating. If I was the customer, I wouldn't be happy with the implications the issue had on the GM at fault. If you would talk to a costumer that way in any normal profession, you would have been fired pronto. No way to go about it imo. No. What kind of third world country do you live in? Everyone can have a bad day. Hehe, I live in a more or less civilized country :) From what I've read, the GM seemed to be joking (making fun) of the player. That as nothing to do with having a bad day... that is unacceptable behavior for any kind of business in my book. Not to mention the harm done to CCP's reputation, even if for a small period of time.
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Miz Cenuij Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 21/05/2007 17:15:17 I feel all dirty, No doubt CCP have been through my accounts, logs and conducted a "rubber gloved" search of Battlestar Miz! OMG, did you find my adult holoreal collection, or my "used" panty collection? Ignore that Minmitar slave whench in the hold, she's the ummmm, chef. BTW that donkey is for recreational use and is not in any way abused. No it isnt. Im gonna get out of my flight suit now, so get those rubber gloves on Arkanon, you gotta search my butt, I wanna get up close and personal with u big boy !
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:48:00 - [75] Edited by: DirtyHarry on 21/05/2007 21:53:11 So what did the GM put the gag message as? edit: nm found it, what a ******** gm Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
Matrius Slaughters of Scum Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Matrius Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Originally by: Matrius I'm sorry to say this but this Internal Affairs thing can only be a joke: The GM did a bad thing. Internal Affairs send a mail to the GM saying you can't do that anymore ok? The GM doesn't even bother to answer. End of issue. Wow, really impressive the way Internal Affairs handled that All that happened was an employee was rude to a customer. What did you think would happen? Don't be confused by the name "Internal Affairs." EVE is not the real world and GM abuse is not akin to police misconduct. It's a customer service issue. Sure it's a customer service issue, imo that's what makes it even more frustrating. If I was the customer, I wouldn't be happy with the implications the issue had on the GM at fault. If you would talk to a costumer that way in any normal profession, you would have been fired pronto. No way to go about it imo. Rubbish. I've said "fu.. you" to a customer before when I worked at capital one, and got off with a verbal warning. Lol. Ok, I wont say no more since I seem to have exaggerated work values and ethic. I would fire you that's for sure though.
Aykroyd	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:53:00 - [77] Frankly you could never in a million years pay me enough to deal with the CS issues in Eve. In a game where every dirty trick is enthusiastically used including hacks against forums, TS, Ventrilo, Game accounts, outright lies and propaganda posts, spy alts, corp theft and sabotage, the customer isn't always right sometimes he is in fact attempting subterfuge. The idea that the customers word is worth anything in this game is so ludicris as to be obscene. Only the facts matter: That is what they can prove via logs and yes the CS Rep should have every right to not only defend himself to to appeal any disciplinary action to the HR dept. It's a company running a business not Faschistic State running some atavistic cesspool.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:54:00 - [78] Originally by: darklegionca it means they just gave him a slap on the wirsts and told him not to do it again but again i would have had him fired for it in fairness, his only offence was a vaguely inapporpriate yet in no-way offensive message whilst performing a perfectly justified action. if you genuinely want him sacked for that, it makes you a bit of a nob. as it stands i think you probably just posted the usual internet bollox without actually thinking about what you were saying.
Jimer Lins Gallente Sanctuary	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:55:00 - [79] CCP has GMs in different parts of the world. The guy in question is probably one of the ones who happens to be either off duty or asleep at the moment. He probably got a firmly worded email with a request to follow up with an explanation. My guess: A hamfisted attempt at a joke that went phenomenally wrong. We've all put our foot in it from time to time. At least, I know I have. ;)
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.21 22:40:00 - [80] Holy over-reaction city, batman. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.05.21 22:53:00 - [81] There are many reasons the GM hasn't replied yet, one could be that we wanted to get this out as soon as possible and Arkanon pretty much posted directly after investigating and sending an email. The way the GM handled this situation was wrong, but people does have bad days, people do mistakes and so on, but even if we ignore that firing him for this would never hold up in court, that is just not how you treat people. You give them a chance to change their behavior. You only fire someone after repeated offences after you've given the person every chance to change, at least in cases like this. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

lorddlo25 g guild	Posted - 2007.05.21 23:16:00 - [82] Originally by: CCP Wrangler There are many reasons the GM hasn't replied yet, one could be that we wanted to get this out as soon as possible and Arkanon pretty much posted directly after investigating and sending an email. The way the GM handled this situation was wrong, but people does have bad days, people do mistakes and so on, but even if we ignore that firing him for this would never hold up in court, that is just not how you treat people. You give them a chance to change their behavior. You only fire someone after repeated offences after you've given the person every chance to change, at least in cases like this. i agree i dont want anyone to lose there job over it but it is our corp member's that have suffered from it in more way's than 1 and i hate to say it but maybe SNOWY aswell from this if it is not true. but we have noticed many thing's to back up this and to be fair i hope it is not true and i hope that this is resolved pritty soon and for the GM him self to appolergise and let the EVE community no what has been done that way poeple know what's been done rather than everyone thinking a little slap on the slap on the wrist has happened.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.05.21 23:27:00 - [83] Edited by: ry ry on 21/05/2007 23:29:51 Why? Any specific punishment s/he is given isn't any of your business. This isn't Judge Judy. CCP have been as transparent as they can about this, which is a good thing after blueprintgate, but all you're after is for the GM in question to be publically embarassed which would be grossly unprofessional of CCP and isn't particularly likely to happen. what exactly do you even want them to apologise for anyway? "i'm sorry you had to pretend to be offended about an innocuous and fairly un-funny joke"? you're kicking up a fuss over nothing. from their prolific contribution to the thread damning the GM in question, presumably a member of your corp was the one gagged for swearing in unfiltered public channels? why not have the class and good grace to let it go.
lorddlo25 g guild	Posted - 2007.05.21 23:59:00 - [84] Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 21/05/2007 23:29:51 Why? Any specific punishment s/he is given isn't any of your business. This isn't Judge Judy. CCP have been as transparent as they can about this, which is a good thing after blueprintgate, but all you're after is for the GM in question to be publically embarassed which would be grossly unprofessional of CCP and isn't particularly likely to happen. what exactly do you even want them to apologise for anyway? "i'm sorry you had to pretend to be offended about an innocuous and fairly un-funny joke"? you're kicking up a fuss over nothing. from their prolific contribution to the thread damning the GM in question, presumably a member of your corp was the one gagged for swearing in unfiltered public channels? why not have the class and good grace to let it go. i am not being funny ry ry but number one it was our corp that got gagged number 2 it was snowy that petitioned it and number 3 it is both our corp and snowy that it has affected and in that we should have a appolergy from the GM in question as it was that GM that did it not another GM. and secound after what happened other time's there has been cover up's which make's people think worse of CCP and to be fair in all honesty letting us no what has happened ether a slap on the wrist or a telling off or it was found out to be true or what not that we as in us the 2 affected corp's should be notifed of the out come. as to you ry ry i am not getting in to a flame debate with you as you are on here posting for what reason to flame or what ? if it to flame please leave this alone as to be fair nobody need's it i just want the truth nothing else. and that is what we deserve.not another cover up.
lorddlo25 g guild	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:03:00 - [85] as to what was said in local the GM's no and so do we and so do SNOWY if you dont know then you can not comment on what was or not said.
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:28:00 - [86] Edited by: Arii Smith on 22/05/2007 00:25:52 I just finished this thread, and all I can think of right now is scandal after scandal that seems to define CCP of late. I mean, there can only be so many misunderstandings before I start to think at best incompetence, or at worst massive wide-scale corruption. This game is pretty elaborate, so I am leaning towards the latter.
Zhajad Khalud The Red Rage	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:45:00 - [87] Edited by: Zhajad Khalud on 22/05/2007 00:43:33 Originally by: CCP Wrangler There are many reasons the GM hasn't replied yet, one could be that we wanted to get this out as soon as possible and Arkanon pretty much posted directly after investigating and sending an email. The way the GM handled this situation was wrong, but people does have bad days, people do mistakes and so on, but even if we ignore that firing him for this would never hold up in court, that is just not how you treat people. You give them a chance to change their behavior. You only fire someone after repeated offences after you've given the person every chance to change, at least in cases like this. Of course noone would want him fired for one bad response. The point here, however seems not to be the single bad wording, but that is seems to hint at a friendly relationship between a GM and one or more players (potentilly a whole corp of them). This seems to be dismissed quickly by the statement that said GM is not Miz. Well, maybe he isnt, but doesnt the wording of the message raise some suspicion about the relationship between that GM and Miz ? I think the players would like to hear about an in-depth investigation to follow.
KLear	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:45:00 - [88] Originally by: Arii Smith Edited by: Arii Smith on 22/05/2007 00:25:52 I just finished this thread, and all I can think of right now is scandal after scandal that seems to define CCP of late. I mean, there can only be so many misunderstandings before I start to think at best incompetence, or at worst massive wide-scale corruption. This game is pretty elaborate, so I am leaning towards the latter. Finally someone who has the currage to point to the real message behind the lines we are posting here. So, the questions are quite simple: is CCP aware of their staff misconduct (and I am not talking about this particular one ... but about all those who do). Tell me one player in this game who does NOT believe that CCP knows it. The question is: why don't they do anything about it?
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.22 01:09:00 - [89] Originally by: KLear Originally by: Arii Smith Edited by: Arii Smith on 22/05/2007 00:25:52 I just finished this thread, and all I can think of right now is scandal after scandal that seems to define CCP of late. I mean, there can only be so many misunderstandings before I start to think at best incompetence, or at worst massive wide-scale corruption. This game is pretty elaborate, so I am leaning towards the latter. Finally someone who has the currage to point to the real message behind the lines we are posting here. So, the questions are quite simple: is CCP aware of their staff misconduct (and I am not talking about this particular one ... but about all those who do). Tell me one player in this game who does NOT believe that CCP knows it. The question is: why don't they do anything about it? Maybe you should try reporting "all those who do (commit misconduct)" than hinting at this un-seen corruption; it seems a little more productive than these rumors and hear-say, don't you think? In regards to this particular case, I've got to ask those of you who are being the most reactive to this case, haven't you ever had a day where you said something(s) that, a fairly short time later, you wish you could take back? People do get frustrated, and the GMs are, after all, only human. Lets cut the guy some slack until he answers for himself, ok? This isn't the signature you're looking for.
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.05.22 01:20:00 - [90] Originally by: KLear Originally by: Arii Smith Edited by: Arii Smith on 22/05/2007 00:25:52 I just finished this thread, and all I can think of right now is scandal after scandal that seems to define CCP of late. I mean, there can only be so many misunderstandings before I start to think at best incompetence, or at worst massive wide-scale corruption. This game is pretty elaborate, so I am leaning towards the latter. Finally someone who has the currage to point to the real message behind the lines we are posting here. So, the questions are quite simple: is CCP aware of their staff misconduct (and I am not talking about this particular one ... but about all those who do). Tell me one player in this game who does NOT believe that CCP knows it. The question is: why don't they do anything about it? Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. CCP has absolute control over this game, and I do not think there is even a slight chance that they are benevolent in their control. Do you honestly think the dev characters rat for ISK, or spend any length of time mining? Honestly, I just try not to think about this kind of thing. There is a reason that (this is an example for Americans, not sure if such a thing exists in Europe) lottery employees are not allowed to participate in the lottery. Every time I think about how CCP is behaving I just want to quit, so I avoid 0.0 politics and alliance warfare, the whole thing is dirty right to the core.

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