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KhanJohn
Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: KhanJohn on 22/05/2007 08:20:19
just so i get the providence warzone correct , please update this with relative information. This post does not represent my alliance or corporation. Relevant Information only please. If ive missed anyone out i apologise am very tired.
AMARRAN LOYALIST FORCES/ALLIES....................FREEDOM FIGHTER FORCES/ALLIES
CVA.........................................................................UK PIE.........................................................................BUM SYLPH.......................................................................Evoke NOS.........................................................................Outbreak UCE.........................................................................ENJ NSC-Possibly not involved............................................IO IAC AM
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:56:00 -
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Remember that PIE doesn't count because they only provide moral support from inside stations.
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Pezzle on 22/05/2007 13:20:10 Edited by: Pezzle on 22/05/2007 13:17:43 You rebels will do anything to try to glamorize your agenda.
UCE is involved in this? Or did you pirates just decide to shoot them? Oh I nearly forgot. UK declared that anyone who would not help them was against them and is now kos. Something for the general populace to remember. Amarr forces, by contrast, are willing to leave innocent pilots be.
Oh, and monkey Ixiris, you are nothing but words.
The War continues.
Amarr Victor
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle UCE is involved in this? Or did you pirates just decide to shoot them?
They came to the aid of some sylph pos with a fleet of ospreys. Hardly the act of someone who wants to stay out of trouble.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:56:00 -
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.22 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 22/05/2007 14:13:38 Add Establishment for freedom and NSTAR for tyranny ... unless somethings changed I don't know about  -----------------------------------------
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KhanJohn
Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:16:00 -
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Updates made...
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:47:00 -
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What we have here is yet another plea by UK for help. They are unable to defend the space they claimed in the name of the Minmatar.
To remedy this and satisfy their greed and lust for violence they abandoned that cause and their friends among the Minmatar podders. Now the UK rely on others of a rather nefarious and unsavory reputation to do the bulk of the fighting for them.
I have noticed that as fewer UK pilots are willing to launch against Amarr forces, the cries for help and political rabble rabble gets louder.
This individual creates a chart. I doubt he was authorized to speak for those others. This is just another rather poor propaganda stunt, nothing more.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle What we have here is yet another plea by UK for help. They are unable to defend the space they claimed in the name of the Minmatar.
A bit rich coming from a member of an Amarrian extremist alliance that needs IAC to defend its POS structures for it. 
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:28:00 -
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Constantine
I realize that friendship and loyalty are part of a problematic mementic vector contagion threatening rapid assimilation of humanity and interfering with the abandoning of morality and established proccesses of human progression. Or whatever you read in your little anarch diary.
Try to address the topic at hand if you must speak at all.
It is interesting how you deluge these channels with your nonsense. Perhaps you should stop stalking Amarrians. You love us so much you exceed our collective comms singlehanded. We are not going to adopt you.
You talk to much.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:47:00 -
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I honestly fail to see the selling of tourist tickets as a plea for help. I'd think they care more for sun lotion and lunch packages than guns and blood.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle I realize that friendship and loyalty ...
So its "friendship and loyalty" when NBSI entities come and help the Amarrian loyalists defend a POS. But its "aggession and opportunistic ganking" when NBSI entities come and help the Matari then? This is the problem Pezzle - you are speaking with a vipers tongue and you cannot square the circle of your hypocrisy on this issue.
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Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:14:00 -
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This is a very clever bit of propaganda you've put together. This is a pathetic attempt to gain support for Ushra'Khan. What a pull with sympathy I'm sure your cause will reap with the sides so clearly defined as Slavers vs. Freedom Fighters. Tell me, why did they have an Amarrian work on this? Did you volunteer or did they ask you becuase you are able to read and write?
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CometQueen
Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: CometQueen on 22/05/2007 17:25:25
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Pezzle What we have here is yet another plea by UK for help. They are unable to defend the space they claimed in the name of the Minmatar.
A bit rich coming from a member of an Amarrian extremist alliance that needs IAC to defend its POS structures for it. 
I am curious did Ushra'Khan call in help to defend their POS structures? I heard reports of a Titan and several motherships, but not of Ushra'Khan make.
Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 22/05/2007 17:41:10
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Pezzle I realize that friendship and loyalty ...
So its "friendship and loyalty" when NBSI entities come and help the Amarrian loyalists defend a POS. But its "aggession and opportunistic ganking" when NBSI entities come and help the Matari then? This is the problem Pezzle - you are speaking with a vipers tongue and you cannot square the circle of your hypocrisy on this issue.
Sorry Constantine. Your little ploy falls utterly flat on its face. If it was just BUM (and a few others) flying at UKs side, then maybe it would have worked. But a few of the entities on that list were sieging UNITY station as a part of The (Pirate) Coalition less than a year ago. IAC and CVA on the other hand have provided each other with some measure of mutual assistance for a very long time. Not to mention that has their own scores to settle when it comes to UK (if KF wasn't enough).
It looks like your slipping further and further into delusion. First the claim that PIE wasn't flying anything large than a battleship (or was it even a claim that they weren't flying anything larger than a frigate or sitting in stations?) right after visual evidence of a PIE carrier in combat against a hostile fleet and now this.
Maybe you should let Cosmopolite do the talking from now on. At least he can keep his distorted view of the universe somewhat in line with reality. Somewhat.
...I wonder if this is from interacting with Revan. I knew she was insane, but I never knew it was contagious. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |

Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: CometQueen Edited by: CometQueen on 22/05/2007 17:25:25
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Pezzle What we have here is yet another plea by UK for help. They are unable to defend the space they claimed in the name of the Minmatar.
A bit rich coming from a member of an Amarrian extremist alliance that needs IAC to defend its POS structures for it. 
I am curious did Ushra'Khan call in help to defend their POS structures? I heard reports of a Titan and several motherships, but not of Ushra'Khan make.
Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
The fact that they both called in help is the point. CVA are chiding U'K for doing the very thing they did themselves which is a little hypocritical don't you think.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Sorry Constantine. Your little ploy falls utterly flat on its face.
Says who? A faceless galnet poster with no combat record against my alliance in space? I'm hardly going to be impressed by your opinion now am I? 
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CometQueen
Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: CometQueen Edited by: CometQueen on 22/05/2007 17:25:25
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Pezzle What we have here is yet another plea by UK for help. They are unable to defend the space they claimed in the name of the Minmatar.
A bit rich coming from a member of an Amarrian extremist alliance that needs IAC to defend its POS structures for it. 
I am curious did Ushra'Khan call in help to defend their POS structures? I heard reports of a Titan and several motherships, but not of Ushra'Khan make.
Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
The fact that they both called in help is the point. CVA are chiding U'K for doing the very thing they did themselves which is a little hypocritical don't you think.
Possibly, I couldn't say. But I was curious, thank you.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:09:00 -
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I wouldn't say CVA called us in, more like dropped their opposition to our Providence operations, we would've been there ages ago otherwise.
If the matari hadn't filled the region with nasty people I'm sure IAC would still be staying out of it.
Btw, get over your obsession with NBSI star fraction, that particular horse was kicked to death a long time ago.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I wouldn't say CVA called us in, more like dropped their opposition to our Providence operations, we would've been there ages ago otherwise.
So CVA dropped their opposition to your NBSI policies in Providence and you came help them. Nice and clear.
Quote: Btw, get over your obsession with NBSI star fraction, that particular horse was kicked to death a long time ago.
Maybe for you ...
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Says who? A faceless galnet poster with no combat record against my alliance in space? I'm hardly going to be impressed by your opinion now am I? 
Jasmine "the ego" Constantine strikes again. A. I wasn't trying to impress anyone. Contrary to (your) opinion everything stated on GalNet isn't meant to impress anyone (and if I wanted to impress someone it wouldn't be you). I've stated an opinion. That opinion is/should be valued on its own merits. Not the merits of my killboard or wallet. It's basic rules of rethorics really, the argument should be valued separate from the man.
B. There are non-SF pilots out there. A few have felt the sting of my guns. Not all that many, but enough. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel I've stated an opinion. That opinion is/should be valued on its own merits. Not the merits of my killboard or wallet. It's basic rules of rethorics really, the argument should be valued separate from the man.
I've generally noticed that people that claim that the argument is seperate from the person arguing are those without reputation or history to back up their point of view. In your case you sit in an uninvolved corporation sniping from the sidelines - its what you do. You don't have a stake in this conflict and yet you expect to be taken seriously? It just doesn't wash. Do something to win a reputation of your own and then maybe I'll take you seriously. Until then you are just another non-entity dragging along on the CVA coat-tails without any courage of your own.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 22/05/2007 18:35:40
Originally by: Redpants This is a very clever bit of propaganda you've put together. This is a pathetic attempt to gain support for Ushra'Khan. What a pull with sympathy I'm sure your cause will reap with the sides so clearly defined as Slavers vs. Freedom Fighters. Tell me, why did they have an Amarrian work on this? Did you volunteer or did they ask you becuase you are able to read and write?
Get out, Redpants, you traitor, turncoat murderer. The word of a Gallente who murders innocent Caldari, claims to be a staunch supporter of the Federation and then starts working for North Star is worth less than nothing.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
I've generally noticed that people that claim that the argument is seperate from the person arguing are those without reputation or history to back up their point of view.
And I've noticed that there are people (most definitly counting you as one of those people) that thinks that having a history makes them above critique. Sorry, the "I was defending *insert value here* when you were in diapers" approach doesn't exactly work.
Quote: In your case you sit in an uninvolved corporation sniping from the sidelines - its what you do. You don't have a stake in this conflict and yet you expect to be taken seriously?
Where is the SF marker in that image? Wierd I just don't see one. What? You don't have a stake in this conflict and yet you expect to be taken seriously? Or something like that... ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 22/05/2007 19:17:35
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
And I've noticed that there are people (most definitly counting you as one of those people) that thinks that having a history makes them above critique. Sorry, the "I was defending *insert value here* when you were in diapers" approach doesn't exactly work.
The irony of course is you didn't make a critique. You made a poorly formatted personal attack from the sidelines. As is common with most amarrian nationalists hypocrisy drips from your lips with every sentence.
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Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 22/05/2007 18:35:40
Originally by: Redpants This is a very clever bit of propaganda you've put together. This is a pathetic attempt to gain support for Ushra'Khan. What a pull with sympathy I'm sure your cause will reap with the sides so clearly defined as Slavers vs. Freedom Fighters. Tell me, why did they have an Amarrian work on this? Did you volunteer or did they ask you becuase you are able to read and write?
Get out, Redpants, you traitor, turncoat murderer. The word of a Gallente who murders innocent Caldari, claims to be a staunch supporter of the Federation and then starts working for North Star is worth less than nothing.
Go back to your hole in the wild, Intaki. There are no "innocent" Caldari, only wretched greedy thieves who care nothing for anything except the ISK nor anybody unless they have pockets filled with ISK.
I fail to see what murdering "innocent" (and I'd use that term loosely) Caldari has anything to do with my unwaivering support for the Federation. I'm assuming you're referring to the group of armed Caldari militants I jet canned by the sun. They were certainly not innocent.
And finally, you have nothing to say about the honorable North Star Confederation, save for the dramatic slanderous fiction being spread about us on Galnet lately. You're free to eat that tabloid journalism up, and choke on it.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 22/05/2007 19:17:35 The irony of course is you didn't make a critique. You made a poorly formatted personal attack from the sidelines. As is common with most amarrian nationalists hypocrisy drips from your lips with every sentence.
Oh? Lets re-iterate my critique then.
"If it was just BUM (and a few others) flying at UKs side, then maybe it would have worked. But a few of the entities on that list were sieging UNITY station as a part of The (Pirate) Coalition less than a year ago. IAC and CVA on the other hand have provided each other with some measure of mutual assistance for a very long time. Not to mention that IAC has their own scores to settle when it comes to UK (if KF wasn't enough)".
The other part, that was a personal attack.
And I'll ask again? Where is your name on that image? Because if you're not on it, that means you're pretty much a sideline sniper as well. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel The other part, that was a personal attack.
That is the part I'm refering too and given its the only thing you bring to the table it's sufficient to categorise you as a sideline-sniping galnet fiend not to be taken seriously by anyone.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/05/2007 20:34:20 I hardly think that you can accuse anyone else of makeing personal attacks, Mrs. Constantine. Or are you claiming them as your private domain?
And I believe Mr. Delateriel did bring something else to the table. He made, I do believe, the valid point that the CVA/IAC relationship is an old one, that it in fact dates from before their expansion into Catch, which brings into some quesstion the classification of them as outside aid.
I find the whole discussion utterly irrelevant, however, as the Terrorist said, "the battle lines have been drawn."
The terrorist infestation on the southern edge of the Ammatar Mandate will be exterminated, that is all that is important. God will not favor the Heathen.
That is all that need be said.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 22/05/2007 20:40:54 [Deleted to cease derailing] ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri And I believe Mr. Delateriel did bring something else to the table.
The point is in your quote "something else" : he completely occluded any marginal value his post might have represented by coating it in general purpose Amarrian smear. And since the person in question has done Nothing else for the last eight weeks but spread the same general purpose amarrian smear over threads involving Star Fraction, our enemies, and our friends - I feel quote justified in dismissing his contribution as entirely irrelevant to the ongoing debate and simply designed to troll the discussion offtopic.
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Tahj
Minmatar Strix Armaments and Defence The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:50:00 -
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good luck to my brothers and sisters fighting for freedom
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/05/2007 20:59:34 Yet you said he brought nothing else. You can suggest that he made a bad point, or that other points outwieghed the point he made, but those hardly qualify as bringing nothing else to the table.
Quote: And since the person in question has done Nothing else for the last eight weeks but spread the same general purpose amarrian smear over threads involving Star Fraction, our enemies, and our friends - I feel quote justified in dismissing his contribution as entirely irrelevant to the ongoing debate and simply designed to troll the discussion offtopic.
You do realise that this isn't an SF thread, and that your comments are far more consistantly "designed to troll the discussion offtopic" than anyone elses, right?
The topic at hand, I believe, is that the battle lines have been drawn and that death is on the agenda in Providence. The spin of the OP is, of course, wrong. The Terrorists and the fringe barbarian satraps they have brought in as allies do not have a chance of winning this war, but that is the topic.
Amarr will see victory.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:44:00 -
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Accurate and as objective as I could hope for coming from you, KhanJohn. I'll go so far as to concede that it was thoughtful of you to mention this to random passers-by as fair warning. Providence is by no means "safe" these days, more's the pity.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:49:00 -
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CometQueen, you ask if UK asked for help from all the entities who stand on the side of freedom. The answer is no. They offered their help. This has already been answered in previous threads. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |

Uzen Ghirraz
Amarr The Silver Hand
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:50:00 -
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Why is this Constantine person posting every other post in this thread? I don't see SF anywhere in the OP's post. Why not leave the discussion to those who are involved in the conflict?
As to the OP - I pity his soul. There will be no mercy for the enemies of God.
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Ikar Kaltin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I wouldn't say CVA called us in, more like dropped their opposition to our Providence operations, we would've been there ages ago otherwise.
So CVA dropped their opposition to your NBSI policies in Providence and you came help them. Nice and clear.
Oh, but Jasmine...here I was thinking we had no opposition to IAC's NBSI all along and we were supporting piracy. Oh golly, now I dont know what to believe. So we have supported piracy all along....or we havent?
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle What we have here is yet another plea by UK for help. They are unable to defend the space they claimed in the name of the Minmatar.
To remedy this and satisfy their greed and lust for violence they abandoned that cause and their friends among the Minmatar podders. Now the UK rely on others of a rather nefarious and unsavory reputation to do the bulk of the fighting for them.
I have noticed that as fewer UK pilots are willing to launch against Amarr forces, the cries for help and political rabble rabble gets louder.
You are so full of it slaver.
Of the warrior bands listed above, two forces U'K were already on good terms with, another we had already considered becoming closer to, and them us, and the rest all stepped forth and volunteered for the fight as your forces escalated it.
Yet you will find if you check concords records and do a quick tally of membership numbers that, despite our allies aid, the freedom fighters are still outnumbered by the forces you array against us.
And despite still being outnumbered we fight on, and we do so without any pleas for assistance. And guess what - still people step forth of their own free will to fight with beside us.
Your self-assured arrogance blinds you to a simple fact slaver - we of the Ushra'khan are not alone in our hatred of the institutional oppression and tyranny your loathsome empire peddles.
Quote: This individual creates a chart. I doubt he was authorized to speak for those others. This is just another rather poor propaganda stunt, nothing more.
Quick thinking today aren't you slaver? KhanJohn himself said his post neither represented his corp or his alliances official position. I fail to see how its a publicity stunt though, seemed to me to be more of a respectful acknowledgement of all in the war, friend and foe alike.
The propaganda came soon after, pretty much when your worm tongue replied.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.23 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Uzen Ghirraz Why is this Constantine person posting every other post in this thread? I don't see SF anywhere in the OP's post. Why not leave the discussion to those who are involved in the conflict?
How we wish the amarrian militias would adopt that rule ...
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Princess Morenta
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.23 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Uzen Ghirraz Why is this Constantine person posting every other post in this thread? I don't see SF anywhere in the OP's post. Why not leave the discussion to those who are involved in the conflict?
How we wish the amarrian militias would adopt that rule ...
The militias are in the original post on the slaver side - you are however on none.
Check mate.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.23 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Morenta
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Uzen Ghirraz Why is this Constantine person posting every other post in this thread? I don't see SF anywhere in the OP's post. Why not leave the discussion to those who are involved in the conflict?
How we wish the amarrian militias would adopt that rule ...
The militias are in the original post on the slaver side - you are however on none.
Check mate.
Sigh, back to Military School until you learn to follow galactic politics. Anyone claiming that SF is not involved against the Amarrian militants is a fool. The reason we do not appear on that chart however is that we just want to kill the Amarrians - we are entirely happy to negotiate neutrality and such with their non-Amarrian vassals to spare those organisations from the slaughter. There are organisations on the left of that chart we are not currently shooting so for our name to appear on the right would be incorrect and misleading.
Complicated world isn't it once you see the truth picture of whats going on ?
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The Recordkeeper
Caldari Keepers of Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.23 02:11:00 -
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Would it be possible for someone to decipher all the abbreviations of those involved in the Providence conflict that we may properly record their names to our archives?
The Recordkeeper
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Smeggs
Gallente Maleficus Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.23 03:40:00 -
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As the conciousness that formerly possessed the body of Thomas Maleficus I would like to offer my thoughts. I fought beside the members of the Ushra'Khan for a short time compared to the time they have existed. At first I was taken aback by the tactics the UK have adopted, and the allies fighting with the U'K surprised me as well. It took some time to sort out my feelings about all this, regretfully I was ashamed of the actions of the UK at times. After watching the conflict expand, and reviewing everything I know about the conflict, I support the UK 100%. There is no such thing as fair play in war. When you are fighting oppression, no tool or tactic that should not be used. Good luck my friends. Fight on. The slavers deserve no quarter.
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Chishan
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.23 03:51:00 -
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Chishan looks over Smeggs.
Interesting transformation. You'll have to tell me about it sometime. I'm glad you understand our position, I came to respect you in the time we flew together. The fall of Karishal's Defiance brought hard lessons with it. Now we are turning those lessons into action.
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KhanJohn
Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.23 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: KhanJohn on 23/05/2007 09:11:42 to answer a few points:
Garreck: Thankyou that seemed like a compliment old friend
To all: This is no propraganda stunt or motive i thought it worthwhile that all people of new eden should know it is a warzone and if you must delve deeper to belay the conspiracy theories, i saw a neutral in 4b the other day who asked me whether the area was safe i said this is a very heated warzone and to be careful around all of providence, he thanked me and went on his way...
to the CVA: I label you slavers and that is the only personal biast in the original post i was toying with paramilitaries but i decided that was too bitter a taste on my toungue.....look at it this way at least im honest....see you in the warzone...my lasers are waiting for you...
in regard to SF:
not being on the list: As jade mentioned SF arnt on the list as i feel they although fighting the CVA are fighting for an entirely different reason to us and are not directly attacking the providence CVA POS's and resting control from the CVA thus trying to be as neutral as possible i have not added them to the list.
please feel free to direct any other questions, lies, spins, propaganda to me and ill do my best to answer, explain, squash and smile at :)
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Recordkeeper Would it be possible for someone to decipher all the abbreviations of those involved in the Providence conflict that we may properly record their names to our archives?
The Recordkeeper
Could you list the ones you do not know?
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CometQueen
Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Jeekin CometQueen, you ask if UK asked for help from all the entities who stand on the side of freedom. The answer is no. They offered their help. This has already been answered in previous threads.
I have a wider reason for asking as I am concerned about the nature of these entities.
Some years ago the UshraÆKhan came to my aid involving a now defunct organization that was claiming some non-concord patrolled territory in the Ammatar Mandate. Hellcore and a good twenty-five other assorted vessels challenged the hostile organization and though the odds were fairly even the lawless group did flee before the bravery of the UshraÆKhan. I published a report on the IGS about it.
I have to wonder if the UshraÆKhan now is the same as the UshraÆKhan then. Some of the organizations that have offered you aid are of the kind that the UshraÆKhan of the past would have shot on sight. Please consider your bed-fellows warriors of the UshraÆKhan, an outpost is not worth being forever associated with the dregs of society. It is a noble calling to stand up for your people (though the violence against the Amarr I can never approve of) but you do yourselves a disservice by associating with the ignoble of Providence.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: CometQueen
I have to wonder if the UshraÆKhan now is the same as the UshraÆKhan then. Some of the organizations that have offered you aid are of the kind that the UshraÆKhan of the past would have shot on sight. Please consider your bed-fellows warriors of the UshraÆKhan, an outpost is not worth being forever associated with the dregs of society. It is a noble calling to stand up for your people (though the violence against the Amarr I can never approve of) but you do yourselves a disservice by associating with the ignoble of Providence.
And defending their outpost against the Ushr'khan was worth the CVA submitting themselves to the IAC's piratical NBSI ideology for then? You should be silent on this conflict Comet Queen, you have nothing worth saying here.
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Awyn Lothr
Andromeda BR
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:50:00 -
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I'm fairly new to the game, the region and this war. But is it just me or are all the residents of the region on the side of the "slavers"?!?
All the form NAPs and Alliances in the region are still standing except the ones everyone had with U'K I wounder why that is.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Awyn Lothr I'm fairly new to the game, the region and this war. But is it just me or are all the residents of the region on the side of the "slavers"?!? All the form NAPs and Alliances in the region are still standing except the ones everyone had with U'K I wounder why that is.
Its because the CVA have spent the last year assembling a pliant "garden" of meatshield alliances and lying about their enemies to gain a political advantage. They are horrible slavers when they choose and "enlightened anti pirates" when they choose and they have successfully twisted the minds of the local residents into disregarding the horrors of their ideology for the transitory imagined benefits of "protection" from illegals. This is called giving up a little freedom for security - and as we all know this is always a terrible terrible mistake.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:07:00 -
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hey Jasmine you are starting to be a troll again, back off on the spam a bit its starting to make you guys look petulant.
As to this thread, it shouldn't read "slaver (CVA) vs. non-slaver (Ushra-Khan)" it should read "anti-pirate (CVA) vs. Pro-Pirate (Ushra'Khan)"
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Awyn Lothr
Andromeda BR
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Awyn Lothr I'm fairly new to the game, the region and this war. But is it just me or are all the residents of the region on the side of the "slavers"?!? All the form NAPs and Alliances in the region are still standing except the ones everyone had with U'K I wounder why that is.
Its because the CVA have spent the last year assembling a pliant "garden" of meatshield alliances and lying about their enemies to gain a political advantage. They are horrible slavers when they choose and "enlightened anti pirates" when they choose and they have successfully twisted the minds of the local residents into disregarding the horrors of their ideology for the transitory imagined benefits of "protection" from illegals. This is called giving up a little freedom for security - and as we all know this is always a terrible terrible mistake.
I'm from UCE by the way. Before this war we were allied with sylph, and had NAPs with U'K, IAC and NOS, I dont think we had diplomatic contacts with CVA, we were both neutral to each other.
We did almost all our business in Unity station. Then pirate corps started to show up in the region, and they had free docking rights in Unity station, then your EST friends started to attack our POSs.
It seems to me that the "freedom fighters" are the ones trying to enslave the region, and do this by every means possible.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Awyn Lothr I'm from UCE by the way. Before this war we were allied with sylph, and had NAPs with U'K, IAC and NOS, I dont think we had diplomatic contacts with CVA, we were both neutral to each other. We did almost all our business in Unity station. Then pirate corps started to show up in the region, and they had free docking rights in Unity station, then your EST friends started to attack our POSs. It seems to me that the "freedom fighters" are the ones trying to enslave the region, and do this by every means possible.
So mr Lothr, at the moment from our records I'm reading that UCE has "neutral" standings to SF. That means you haven't attacked us yet and since we are NRDS we won't fire first. If we were to meet in open space over the next few days would your ships fire on Star Fraction vessels?
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Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.23 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Awyn Lothr I'm fairly new to the game, the region and this war. But is it just me or are all the residents of the region on the side of the "slavers"?!? All the form NAPs and Alliances in the region are still standing except the ones everyone had with U'K I wounder why that is.
Its because the CVA have spent the last year assembling a pliant "garden" of meatshield alliances and lying about their enemies to gain a political advantage. They are horrible slavers when they choose and "enlightened anti pirates" when they choose and they have successfully twisted the minds of the local residents into disregarding the horrors of their ideology for the transitory imagined benefits of "protection" from illegals. This is called giving up a little freedom for security - and as we all know this is always a terrible terrible mistake.
Thats a very biased and pathetic view of a complex political situation no? On the contrary to your take on the hows and whys of Providence let me give you a more accurate version.
CVA does not cultivate anti-pirate pets to use as meatshields. That sounds funny, say that out loud and I bet you get a laugh. Providence might not be the richest, or system heavy regions in New Eden but it's one of the most important. Without Providence, getting around from anywhere below Catch to up in lower Domain empire would be very difficult. The region is almost entirely a highway, and highway robbers want nothing more than to tap into that commerce and travel.
Anti-pirates gravitate to the area because they're needed there, for without them the commerce would become corrupted, (if not ground to a halt) and that would affect economies across New Eden.
I fail to see how that CVA are "slavers" even ties into the regional picture of the pipe outside the deep politics of the U'K cause. Say CVA were replaced by a Gallente faction that was similar, would the politics in the area stay the same except we swap "slavers" for "drug runners?".
Yes it would because as was already pointed out, this war is not the slavers vs. the Freedom fighters. It's the noble anti-pirates vs. pirate filth.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.23 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Redpants Thats a very biased and pathetic view of a complex political situation no? On the contrary to your take on the hows and whys of Providence let me give you a more accurate version.
On the contrary. Its an entirely accurate view of a very simple political situation. Members of the CVA have themselves gone on record boasting about this "garden" of compliant vassals to defend their position in providence.
Quote: I fail to see how that CVA are "slavers" even ties into the regional picture of the pipe outside the deep politics of the U'K cause. Say CVA were replaced by a Gallente faction that was similar, would the politics in the area stay the same except we swap "slavers" for "drug runners?".
The CVA are imperialist slavers seeking to extend the dominance of the Amarrian empire by cultivating a compliant garden of vassal states in Providence.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Redpants Go back to your hole in the wild, Intaki.
Truly pathetic. You're nothing but another one of those Blaque-esque racist demagouges. Without the Mannar, the Jin-Mei, the Intaki, or any other bloodline which we accept into the Federation, the Federation would be nothing. We AREN'T the most financially, politically and militarily successful government in the cluster just by the efforts of "true" Gallenteans. Once you start talking about racial purity you're no better than those subhuman loyalist Amarrians.
Quote: There are no "innocent" Caldari, only wretched greedy thieves who care nothing for anything except the ISK nor anybody unless they have pockets filled with ISK. Case in point: Linkage
If we start generalising the many based on the actions of a few, then we can assume that all purebred Gallenteans enjoy murdering children via orbital bombardment. Redpants, I charge you with the deaths of hundreds of thousands on Caldari Prime, find you guilty, and fine you 200,000,000,000 isk. I expect it to be delivered to my wallet by the end of the financial day. This is entirely serious and non-negotiable.
Quote: I fail to see what murdering "innocent" (and I'd use that term loosely) Caldari has anything to do with my unwaivering support for the Federation. I'm assuming you're referring to the group of armed Caldari militants I jet canned by the sun. They were certainly not innocent.
Murder is against Federation law. You had no Federal or CONCORD sanction to kill those Caldari, so you're nothing better than a petty pirate. You cannot claim to support the Gallente Federation if you are unwilling even to follow its laws.
Quote: And finally, you have nothing to say about the honorable North Star Confederation, save for the dramatic slanderous fiction being spread about us on Galnet lately. You're free to eat that tabloid journalism up, and choke on it.
Then I'm sure we'll soon see the North Star Confederation actively and relentlessly engaging Amarrian paramilitaries in defence of the Federation's Minmatar allies, correct?
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Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Awyn Lothr I'm from UCE by the way. Before this war we were allied with sylph, and had NAPs with U'K, IAC and NOS, I dont think we had diplomatic contacts with CVA, we were both neutral to each other.
We did almost all our business in Unity station. Then pirate corps started to show up in the region, and they had free docking rights in Unity station, then your EST friends started to attack our POSs.
It seems to me that the "freedom fighters" are the ones trying to enslave the region, and do this by every means possible.
Listen to this man. He's a man just trying to do business in station. And what does he see? Corruption that is inexcusable.
Ushra'Khan in their valiant efforts to put an end to a terrible practice in this galaxy, that of slavery, has fallen so far and has become so blind in their struggle that they are willing to put millions of innocent lives and as much of the galaxy in harms way as neccesary to achieve victory.
A cause that much of New Eden was once sympathetic to, and perhaps backed up in public or private, has turned into a fanatical pirate organization hell bent on one cause while ignoring the safety and politics of anybody and everybody, including thier own Minmatar people.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Redpants Listen to this man. He's a man just trying to do business in station. And what does he see? Corruption that is inexcusable.
Ushra'Khan in their valiant efforts to put an end to a terrible practice in this galaxy, that of slavery, has fallen so far and has become so blind in their struggle that they are willing to put millions of innocent lives and as much of the galaxy in harms way as neccesary to achieve victory.
A cause that much of New Eden was once sympathetic to, and perhaps backed up in public or private, has turned into a fanatical pirate organization hell bent on one cause while ignoring the safety and politics of anybody and everybody, including thier own Minmatar people.
Well I asked the man a question Redpants. Since his organisation is currently neutral to us and since we are NRDS and respect neutrality will UCE shoot at Star Fraction vessels in open space. I wonder what the answer is going to be, because if they follow standing CVA rules then the answer is going to be "yes" and they will have proven they are just as bad as the "pirates" they (and you) are condemning in Providence. This is the point about what goes on here Redpants - it is corrupt yes, it is disgusting, its called "standings enclosurism" and it represents CVA telling neutrals who they should kill in the name of their slave empire and nationalist imperialism.
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Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Then I'm sure we'll soon see the North Star Confederation actively and relentlessly engaging Amarrian paramilitaries in defence of the Federation's Minmatar allies, correct?
Not neccesarily. We cannot be everywhere at once in this galaxy and we try not to become involved in regional politics. Extinguishing crime for the benefit of galactic commerce and the safety of travellers is our goal.
Our conflict with U'K has nothing to do with our siding with CVA and everything to do with the fact that U'K had aggressed NSTAR on multiple occasions before we even had regional standings negotiated, let alone set with anybody including CVA who later became blue. If U'K wants to run NRDS and be a true force of justice and control in their area then that is great. That is in line with NSTAR's goals however, they choose not to associate with anybody associated with CVA. That's U'K's loss over idealogical madness and political stupidity.
Personally, I am for freedom, I am for Minmatar individualism, and against Amarrian slave practices. However this incarnation of the cause through Ushra'Khan is twisted and corrupted and must be extinguished for the good and safety of New Eden.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Originally by: Pezzle UCE is involved in this? Or did you pirates just decide to shoot them?
They came to the aid of some sylph pos with a fleet of ospreys. Hardly the act of someone who wants to stay out of trouble.
Besides, before i sat them red - i attempted for hours to speak to them, while they were repping our target.
Their leadership did not respond to convo attempts, their grunds rejected right away or interrupted the convo A mail that i have sent has been unanswered today.
They wanted to get into this war. So be it.
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Doguito
Amarr ORUS Corporate United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:44:00 -
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Freedom?? What's this UK's Freedom? An alliance that donŠt care about his neighbors and best friends.Make his system a home for pirates, while UCE and Sylph are attacked persistently.
The question is: Should we accept these attacks quietly, while UK help all this bastards?
why UK can have friend that are UCE's enemies and we can't? DonŠt follow the UK's rules doesn't mean that we are slavers, this conclusion is pointless.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:54:00 -
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We don't care for drug dealers. We don't care for pirates (any more). We don't care for Providence. We don't care for highways or territorial politics. We care for our brothers. Not even our enemies can deny that if they stay true.
If you want to get involved in this, NStar, you better know your enemy. If you don't understand the reason why we are fighting you will never understand why you will be beaten on the battlefield. You will never understand why we don't care for the loss of our ships, our stations or our lifes. You will never understand why we keep coming at anyone supporting the slavers as long as we breathe. And if we enter the world of the ancestors our souls will still come for you.
You don't have a stand in Providence. You don't understand what is happening and why it is happening. You cannot tell lies from truth, good from evil, winning from losing. This is not your war. Go home.
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Ktor
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:58:00 -
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Mr. KhanJohn
Your holo slide, while certainly depicting the enormous amount of time you invested into accuracy, is a bit off the mark. You have Sylph Alliance listed as 'slavers'. This is certainly not true at all. Sylph Alliance is fighting Ushra'Khan because of the pirates that are being allowed to base out of your outpost. If you could spend a few minutes to correct the oversight in your document it would be much appreciated.
Ok with that cleared up I need to move onward with this 'gardening' concept others are speaking of. Most of us do like gardens. I myself have dedicated an entire section of my personal quarters for a small garden. It's nice to wander over there every now and then to relax from the days labors. My apologies I seem to have gone off on a tangent.
This 'garden' of CVA's you speak of may hold true for some corporations but it does not hold true for Sylph Alliance. We have our own rules in our space. We do not share KOS lists, although we have alot of common enemies. CVA has asked us to change our rules in our space but they have made no demands or threats.
Originally by: KhanJohn Also selling tourist locations at your local Unity station, travel to many famous systems including the fun locations of freedom county, the horrible hellhole known as Slaverland and all sorts of other wobnderful exotic providence locations..
I'd like to share with you an intercepted transmission sent to Ushra'Khan tourism division. I am deeply saddened by events such as these and I can only hope that reparations are made to this unfortunate family. I have withheld names to protect them as much as possible.
Quote: Dear Sir/Madam
My Family and I recently had an excursion to your solitary outpost in the highly acclaimed Providence region. We'd been looking forward to this vacation for a considerably long time. We stretched our budget to purchase the extended '2 month all-inclusive' package from your head office in Rens and sorted out our papers with CONCORD as required a little over 14 months ago.
I'd visited the station briefly as part of a business trip. Specifically for Team-Orientation, I'm a financial advisor for a relatively small outfit of corporations that deal exclusively with your alliance. The facilities were far greater than I could have ever imagined, and despite the regular bar-fights, the number of boasted nursery facilities was a selling point.
I was pre-warned about the hostilties in the area, but was given assurance that myself, and my family would be in safe hands within your space. Not two systems away from the border patrol though, we were promptly engaged by none other than Ushra'khan friendly forces, or 'Freedom Fighters'. The Badger we'd rented for the vacation was destroyed of course, and I still wonder how we all managed to escape and survive.
I therefore give notification that Ushra'Khan and Co Travel Reps will be requiring legal counsel as I fully intend to seek repayment, and additional damages for the situation. Our once in a lifetime holiday was ruined instantly. I find it shameful that you still advertise this opportunity to the public at all.
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Malena Panic
Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Originally by: Doguito [b]Freedom?? What's this UK's Freedom? An alliance that donŠt care about his neighbors and best friends.Make his system a home for pirates, while UCE and Sylph are attacked persistently.
Ungrateful cur. UK bled ourselves dry trying to protect the region for us all while your pasty, bloated merchants did nothing but trade with and give succor to the slavers. Nothing but pained hand-wringing and crocodile tears as the Imperial juggernaut moved to remove us (your former ally) from the last vestiges of Free Providence. Then when we turn to the hard men who *will* help our cause, you go running to the skirts of your new masters. Your freedom for the illusion of safety. That's always the way for those with the hearts of slaves.
I hope you enjoy that illusion while it lasts. Better than the pretense of friendship eh?
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KhanJohn
Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.23 20:55:00 -
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Ok i think most of the coporations and alliances arrayed against us dont quite understand who we are...
we are freedom fighters, we will DO anything to free the enslaved....we are not "good people" we are not "anti pirate" we are "anti slavery" im sick and tired of being expected to bend over backwards for people who have no idea of the sacrifice a UK pilot takes when stepping into his pod...we expect to die....we dont expect to come back to our home of Unity... and i am quite prepared to ram my ship so far up the CVA's backside that they wotn know what hit them...
anyway let me address some points
Mr redpants ive seen you repeatedly chastise the UK for its decisions we have never ever ever said we are good we are not the CVA we are however very honourable but always we put our enslaved brethren first even over honour...i will not change this to a pirate versus anti pirate war....get it through your thick ego encentric skull that they fight with us because they respect us as many have stated we will take anyones help to achieve our goals of freedom...even shake hands with the devil himself...we are anti slavery... our allies may not share the same agenda as us but we all have a vested interest in seeing the CVA fail to claim providence for the empire...i cant speak of their motives but the UK's are quite clear....deal with it
to the sylph who asked about why i have labbeled it slavers versus freedom fighters...to quote a famous line one nations freedom fighter is another nations terrorist we are freedom fighters but labelled as terrorists, we have always actively maintained that whether you enslave or not by helping the CVA you are helping enslavers to continue the persecution...unless CVA are renouncing slavery anytime soon by helping them in war you prevent us in freeing slaves...that makes you an accomplice to the murder of billions i dont think you can refute that especially now i have explained it....there is no justification that is how we see it and i am not asking for any alliance to justify why its in this war....
yes we have piratical entitys on our side but they respect us and we only set red once set red or provoked ourselves ..very similar to the star fraction in that sense...BUT we are not anti pirate...we are not angels...we are the devil...we do not care for our own lives in the risk for freedom...that is why we use the bloodied hand as our symbol....
i will shortly be writing some journals for the summit may it help for all alliances to better understand us enemy and friend alike...
Once again my opinions do not represent that of my corporation or alliance... if you'd like further clarification of our policies feel free to evemail or chat to a member of the ushrakhan council...
People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
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Sinia
Shadow Council
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Posted - 2007.05.23 22:23:00 -
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It seems Ushra'Khan have now called in bob as well and are using Orange Species titan purely for the purpose of trying to bump ships out of control tower shields.
Classy as usual.
Orange Species > Uk are safe.
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Chereadenine Zakalwe
VENOM72 Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 22:33:00 -
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Quote: My Family and I recently had an excursion to your solitary outpost in the highly acclaimed Providence region. We'd been looking forward to this vacation for a considerably long time. We stretched our budget to purchase the extended '2 month all-inclusive' package from your head office in Rens and sorted out our papers with CONCORD as required a little over 14 months ago.
Such a sad story. My own family had a similar excursion planned,of course we would be traveling incognito due to my ...ahem loyalties,but now it seems no-one is safe!Rest assured i will be canceling my trip in light of this information,and demanding a full refund! Long live the providence tourist information board!

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Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.23 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sinia It seems Ushra'Khan have now called in bob as well and are using Orange Species titan purely for the purpose of trying to bump ships out of control tower shields.
Classy as usual.
Orange Species > Uk are safe.
Did the voices in your head tell you that?
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Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.23 22:57:00 -
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You all make me sick with trying to claim a moral high ground that none of you deserve. While the alliance may have officially been working with certain groups that makes my skin crawl, I have started to see that one person's pirate is another man's soldier.
Everyone has their hands dirty and not one of the key groups involved here can claim otherwise because I, for one, have proof and know better.
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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.23 23:09:00 -
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What use is it to throw away lives, or even just time, helping your neighbours when not a single one will come to assist when you are in need.
These are people who we helped to settle in the hostile environment of Providence. We helped them on a daily basis, and when we needed help...their backs were turned. Either CVA bully boy tactics had frightened them or 'its not our war' was the cry.
I feel sorry for those that have now dirtied themselves through working with slavers. They are the excrement of Eve.
Ushra'khan helps no-one now but those who will help further its goals.
Death to Slavery!
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sinia It seems Ushra'Khan have now called in bob as well and are using Orange Species titan purely for the purpose of trying to bump ships out of control tower shields.
Classy as usual.
Orange Species > Uk are safe.
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Pusha
Gallente FEDERACAO ESPACIAL BRASILEIRA
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Posted - 2007.05.24 00:15:00 -
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I have only afew things to say...
We at UCE played almost a "trade" aliance. We have some ratters, some miners, and our bussines in the region in no way involves attack anyone. So one day Establishment comes and attacked one of our POS. Much to our surprise, UK (our former Allied), beyond the fact of doing nothing to help, bring Establishment to his side.
An Alliance that trade sides and allies, like UK did, do not deserves a single minute of my time to care about it.
Still, We have to thanks Estab, to mobilize us toward warfare and UK, for the first shoot at our ships (we are neutral at that point).
You will regret having another front in this war.
And just to finish...
YOU FREAKING ROLEPLAYING NUTZ, stop babbling about Slavers, freedom, and this roleplaying stuff. Go live your life.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 00:15:00 -
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My thanks to Garreck for seeing this as the simple thing it was.
To the rest of you lovely flamers / derailers lets try a final time:
This is a warning to all none involved parties that Providence is currently in flames and it gives a rough idea of who's shooting who. From that and in conjunction with your own alliance standings it should be possible for most pilots entering the area to work out who is likely to fire on them and who isn't.
Feel free to complain about being called slavers. Feel free to claim whatever the hell you want in fact. If you're supporting CVA for whatever reason you are supporting Slavers.
Special mention again to Tomahawk Bliss. Get in space and actually fire on someone or go away. All i see is a pilot that whines about other pilots spending lots of time updating these threads and spews vitriol yet never actually manages to get in space and kill something themselves.
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Parsor Evarkis
Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 00:18:00 -
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My enemy's friend is my enemy My enemy's enemy is my friend
It is quite simple to understand
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.24 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Special mention again to Tomahawk Bliss. Get in space and actually fire on someone or go away. All i see is a pilot that whines about other pilots spending lots of time updating these threads and spews vitriol yet never actually manages to get in space and kill something themselves.
excellent, I now have two fans, you and Devilish 
hey just because what I said turned out to be the case doesn't mean you should have sour grapes. I assume you are the new Ushra'Khan cry baby? so many new nub faces, can't keep up.
*kisses*
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Chishan
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 00:54:00 -
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He is the Bashar, and an architect of destruction. You'll learn.
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Caravan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Caravan on 24/05/2007 02:41:01
Bla Bla Bla
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Chereadenine Zakalwe
VENOM72 Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 09:41:00 -
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Quote: Completely unproven claim made: Check
Screenshots of BoB titan POS bowling:check Fraps of BoB titan PoS bowling:check Sapphrine`s loose grip on reality:check
Looks like UK have so many "allies" jumping in they cant even keep track of them, i`d have thought it would be hard not to notice a Ragnorak in your home system tbh

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Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.05.24 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot What use is it to throw away lives, or even just time, helping your neighbours when not a single one will come to assist when you are in need.
Did it ever occur to you that the problem might be found somewhere else?
If all the world hates you the problem usually lies rather close...
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chereadenine Zakalwe Edited by: Chereadenine Zakalwe on 24/05/2007 09:48:17
Quote: Completely unproven claim made: Check
Screenshots of BoB titan POS bowling:check Fraps of BoB titan PoS bowling:check Sapphrine`s loose grip on reality:check
Perhaps UK have so many "allies" jumping in they cant even keep track of them, i`d have thought it would be hard not to notice a Ragnorak in your home system tbh
By that logic Evil Thug coming in and doing.... the same thing just the other week was an ally as well! Excellent, someone should let IAC know that AAA are on our side :P
Could it be.... BOB do what the hell they like?! hmmmm...
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Rakiro
Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:29:00 -
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This really does make for some very amusing reading. It's like watching two playground gangs trying to trashtalk eachother to death... Or at least until somone goes crying to the teacher.
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 24/05/2007 11:30:44
Originally by: Chereadenine Zakalwe Edited by: Chereadenine Zakalwe on 24/05/2007 09:48:17
Quote: Completely unproven claim made: Check
Screenshots of BoB titan POS bowling:check Fraps of BoB titan PoS bowling:check Sapphrine`s loose grip on reality:check
Perhaps UK have so many "allies" jumping in they cant even keep track of them, i`d have thought it would be hard not to notice a Ragnorak in your home system tbh
It was a total suprise, we had no idea it was coming. Though we are on semi friendly terms with bob (they are orange to us, not neutral, not red, not blue) We avoid contact with them as standings from bobs side are not set.
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:01:00 -
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BoB do fire at us from time to time.
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mangold BoB do fire at us from time to time.
Correct, I guess semi-cautious would be a better description rather than semi friendly.
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:55:00 -
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Until he said U'K is safe I was wondering if you were wondering if you'd be 'bowled', too. It was a pretty hillarious thought that all 150 people in system could be taking cover in the trenches waiting for the bomb to strike them or the enemy. Unfortunately he spoiled it.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.24 17:56:00 -
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Doesn't look like he killed anyone on either side though. I think mostly everyone just went "Ack! Titan!" and headed for cover.
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Ikoma Sunblazer
Caldari Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.25 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ikoma Sunblazer on 25/05/2007 02:23:24
Warning belove here you gonna find a very deep thought on this war and the meaning of life in general:
...........pew pew
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Aindrias
Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2007.05.25 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ikoma Sunblazer Edited by: Ikoma Sunblazer on 25/05/2007 02:23:24
Warning belove here you gonna find a very deep thought on this war and the meaning of life in general:
..........pew pew
This being the problem with outsiders in this war. For those involved it's about more than combat, it's about fighting for what you believe in no matter what that maybe.
Those that come to the fight not understanding this basic premise have tainted this conflict.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.25 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Janu Hull on 25/05/2007 19:47:44
Originally by: Aindrias
Originally by: Ikoma Sunblazer Edited by: Ikoma Sunblazer on 25/05/2007 02:23:24
Warning belove here you gonna find a very deep thought on this war and the meaning of life in general:
..........pew pew
This being the problem with outsiders in this war. For those involved it's about more than combat, it's about fighting for what you believe in no matter what that maybe.
Those that come to the fight not understanding this basic premise have tainted this conflict.
Purity of motive is in the eye of the beholder. Some of those entering this conflict from the outside have their own motives, that from their perspective, are equally pure.
Some consider ideals and politics to be rather hazy motivations subject to the vagaries of emotion and rationalization.
Not saying they're right, but I'm not saying they're wrong, either.
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.25 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 25/05/2007 20:18:28 Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 25/05/2007 20:16:20
Originally by: KhanJohn Edited by: KhanJohn on 22/05/2007 15:13:39 Updated:
Disclaimer: Some knowledge displayed may be incorrect, and this was made after severla doses of coffee this is a single view of the conflict and does not represent my corporation or alliance..please post if there are any discrepancies. cheers
Please add BoB to UK's side, as well as Star Fraction.
Thou I dont classify terrorists and pirates as "freedom fighters"...And well I do like to see what you have become. Truely setting yourself upon such high ground. Thou I would of never thought that I'd see the day when I'd have alot more ppl to clense upon my path to enlightenment.
The war rages on...
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Aindrias
Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2007.05.25 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Aindrias on 25/05/2007 20:30:34
Originally by: Janu Hull Edited by: Janu Hull on 25/05/2007 19:47:44
Originally by: Aindrias
Originally by: Ikoma Sunblazer Edited by: Ikoma Sunblazer on 25/05/2007 02:23:24
Warning belove here you gonna find a very deep thought on this war and the meaning of life in general:
..........pew pew
This being the problem with outsiders in this war. For those involved it's about more than combat, it's about fighting for what you believe in no matter what that maybe.
Those that come to the fight not understanding this basic premise have tainted this conflict.
Purity of motive is in the eye of the beholder. Some of those entering this conflict from the outside have their own motives, that from their perspective, are equally pure.
Some consider ideals and politics to be rather hazy motivations subject to the vagaries of emotion and rationalization.
Not saying they're right, but I'm not saying they're wrong, either.
If there are no absolutes in this world, and you are morally "flexible" you maybe correct.
Until recently many on the outside have viewed this conflict with great respect for the values of the opposing sides, whether they agreed with the or not.
Now, you have those that have no respect for the cause of the war and simply, as was so elloquently put... pew pew.
CVA and U'K have developed Absolutes for their moral grounding to fight, it should be respected by those involved in the war for it extends beyond the ownership of systems or the desire to... pew pew.
edited for spelling
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.26 18:38:00 -
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I see nothing to admire about the CVA anymore, I am surprised you do.
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