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altnr156584651
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:34:00 -
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what would the strongest tank be that runs forever?
i need a ship that goes in first and then a second one just for pure raw damage...
the thing is that i dont know wether the abaddon, rokh or drake is the strongest. since i havent flown the abaddon and rokh yet...
and how would u set it up? + rigs offcourse.
remember, it has to run forever, so that means no capinjectors.
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wierchas noobhunter
LFC
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:35:00 -
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well domi tbh
domi is like best **** for what u do if u have good skill or not if u pvp or pve it only sucks at fleets
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Mean Machines
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:43:00 -
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now how can a domi have a stronger tank than abaddon or rokh when it doesnt have 5% resists per lvl? 
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wierchas noobhunter
LFC
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Speed Devil
now how can a domi have a stronger tank than abaddon or rokh when it doesnt have 5% resists per lvl?
doh nature of domi 7 slots for tank ....
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Stingwray
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:59:00 -
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The abaddon 7 slot tank, and a tanking bonus > The dominix 7 slot tank, and no tanking bonus
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OldPueblo
H.Y.D.R.A.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:30:00 -
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^^^ It's a good point, however the domi can fit lots of tank supporting mods in the mids and isn't already starved for cap like an Amarr ship would be. It can deal damage while devoting all cap to its tank. The scenario dictates which is the best tank really. Is the ship going to just sit there and soak or is it gonna need to be able to attack as well, etc.
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:46:00 -
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malestorm?
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Loki Farseer
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:49:00 -
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Umm Ladies and Gentlemen...
Strongest PERMANENT tank is a Drake... Hence the Nerf to them coming soon to the EVE System near you. 
Loki Farseer
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 22/05/2007 21:51:14
Maelstrom is without doubt the best tank + gank you can imagine. That ship rules. Pith X shieldboost + 2* T2 amp and crystal is unstoppable.
If you want a pure T1 setup you might have to consider the mealstrom with scout 425mm and a capital shieldboost. Boosting 80-90% of your shield in 1 go ftw.
/edit: btw dude, in pvp no tank runs forever. 
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altnr156584651
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:00:00 -
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its only for tanking, tractorbeaming and salvaging, so not damagedealing
my main character will be a raven as pure damagedealer with fof cruises.
i expect my lvl 4 missions to be completed and looted/ salvaged faster this way 
2 accounts ftw!!! just need to know what ship has the best permatanking power
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Stingwray
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:08:00 -
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Personally I would say go with the dominix then.
Mainly because the drone bonus will be of use to you, with the large drone bay as well, making it easy for it to help your raven.
7 slots is enough to have a very good tank without a bonus. 6 highs are enough for looting and salvaging. Plus it has enough mid slots to have an AB, enough Cap Rechargers to sustain everything and then possibly something like a target painter to additionally help your Raven.
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altnr156584651
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:18:00 -
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the drone bonus wont be of any use since the salvage character has bad (very bad!) offensive capabilities, so i only want it to tank, salvage and loot
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: altnr156584651
the drone bonus wont be of any use since the salvage character has bad (very bad!) offensive capabilities, so i only want it to tank, salvage and loot
Not sure but doesnt that bonus aply to heavy armor/shield maintance drones aswell? I mean having 5 heavy shielddrones on a shieldtanking raven makes things...rather easy. 
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Kermis
Caldari
Cryo Crypt inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Loki Farseer
Umm Ladies and Gentlemen...
Strongest PERMANENT tank is a Myrmidon... Hence the Nerf to them coming soon to the EVE System near you.
Loki Farseer
Fixed.
(Wanna know? That extra low and 1 less mid means it can fit an extra SPR in low instead of a shield recharger in mids. SPR (T1) does 20%, recharger (T1) does 15%.)
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Edited by: madaluap on 22/05/2007 21:51:14
Maelstrom is without doubt the best tank + gank you can imagine. That ship rules. Pith X shieldboost + 2* T2 amp and crystal is unstoppable.
If you want a pure T1 setup you might have to consider the mealstrom with scout 425mm and a capital shieldboost. Boosting 80-90% of your shield in 1 go ftw.
/edit: btw dude, in pvp no tank runs forever.
How do you get your Maelstroms up to 75,000 PG?!!?!! Please tell me your secret.
But in all seriousness? Dominix. Nos....Nos...Nos...the thing is a brick. Myrmidons need tech 2 to last longer.
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: altnr156584651
the drone bonus wont be of any use since the salvage character has bad (very bad!) offensive capabilities, so i only want it to tank, salvage and loot
Not sure but doesnt that bonus aply to heavy armor/shield maintance drones aswell? I mean having 5 heavy shielddrones on a shieldtanking raven makes things...rather easy.
But rather useless if the raven isn't tanking.
Rep drones do bring up a good point, make sure your raven can use them, huge asset.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Stardust Heavy Industries
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:46:00 -
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Tech 1 Tank :)
You can modify it with some racial hardeners ;)
Nighthawk 4tw
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.22 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Loki Farseer
Umm Ladies and Gentlemen...
Strongest PERMANENT tank is a Drake... Hence the Nerf to them coming soon to the EVE System near you.
Loki Farseer
2 Things -
1.) No tank is permanent. Even the almighty Drake dies. Yes it takes a while but it will die.
2.) The OP said Tech 1 ship and you can not tell me that the Drake is the best T1 ship for tanking. As it appears most in this forum thinks the Domi is the best.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.05.23 02:34:00 -
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I like how everyone says mealstrom. Like it's a lunch meat or something.
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Mirinea
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Posted - 2007.05.23 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150
I like how everyone says mealstrom. Like it's a lunch meat or something.
Or Mealstorm.
It's raining sandwiches!
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Firane
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.23 05:17:00 -
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Aeon with 3 capital reps
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Red Crown
How do you get your Maelstroms up to 75,000 PG?!!?!! Please tell me your secret.
Maelstrom
Capital Shield Booster I
5x Reactor Control Unit II
2x Ancillary Current Router II
Ancillary Current Router I
Using officer mods you can even make a PVP fit out of it (full rack of T2 autos, MWD, web/scram etc).
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Fenren
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Posted - 2007.05.23 06:55:00 -
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yea but good luck in makeing it permanent it is hard to do even with a xl-booster
the maelstrom is a good tank put not a permatanker, you have to micromanage it. but hell that ship can tank like no other!!
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Ciphero
Furious Vendetta
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:06:00 -
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Maelstrom is an active shield tanker - that atuomatically knocks it out of a "longest-running" tank competition. That said, it can tank higher DPS (while its cap holds) than any non-capital in the game.
My vote would have to go with an Abaddon or Rokh - those resistance bonuses make them last a loong time ..
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:29:00 -
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I'd go with a hyperion. Tanking bonus, rigs, and 5 slots for cap rechargers. Might be alot easier to get it to perma tank than a mealstrom.
As long as you have the skills to get the tanking bonus, rigs to boost the repper, It should have no problem tanking lvl 4 missions. Cake-walk if you use just rat specific hardeners.
The repper bonus on the hype is actually far better than the resist bonus on the abaddon. The draw back is that the abaddon don't have to spend cap to get it's bonus.
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Angus Torg
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:41:00 -
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Hm, I would field a passive Drake. Probably even 2 of them, so it doesn't matter which one is under fire - in case the NPCs decide to roast your Raven. The next advantage is that you don't have to care of activating any modules. Just go in - fire FOFs, collect loot and repeat.
Setup is easy (everyone should know it by now). Drake, 3 Large Shield Extender, 3 Resistance Amplifier, 4 Shield Power Relay, 3 Core Defence Field Purger. If you use T1 and named stuff, it will last quite long. With T2 even longer. Basically, this is so easy that it will bore you to hell and back in no time - unless you need the ISK to do some creepy things.
But if you want to find an opportunity to burn all the ISK you earn then, I would think about switching to more "fun" ships later on. Maybe a Sleipnir with Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster? Can be run forever, too. And can tank most missions alone. Or my beloved Astarte with dual Corpum repairer. Tanks great, blasts greater.
The problems of battleships used as perma-tankers is that they can hardly use oversized modules (whereas Drake has no problems fitting battleship sized shield extenders). Of course, the Maelstrom with the capital shield booster [uses 240 cap/sec, and has almost no slots free to get that cap]. The other possibility is a dual setup, which is quite hard to make sustainable. Abaddon and Hyperion (which are quite on par) can do it with a lot of cap rechargers and so on.
But as long as the large shield extenders can be used on cruisers (and battlecruisers), this will be the cheapest alternative.
Ever tried the passive I5? Phunny.
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Silvana Starbreeze
key tech limited
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Posted - 2007.05.23 12:18:00 -
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I suggest a passive shieldtanked Myrmidon
3 LSE, 2 Hardeners, 6x shield power relay and three shield recharge rigs
Tanks better than a Drake AND still has Drones to do some serious damage
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dralid
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.23 12:55:00 -
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Maybe you change your tactic :
Your damage dealer goes in first with normal, not badass tank.
Then you send your alt in a support ship (cruiser mostly) who can then help your main tanking by sending energy, shield or armor, deploying more shield or armor bots, and that gives your main damage dealer a badass permatank.
I use an Oneiros (or Exequror as T1) with 2 energy transfer and 2 remote armor repairs and some repair drones, which keeps my Megathron nicely alive without worries.
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WredStorm
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: WredStorm on 23/05/2007 15:08:11
OP,
You might have problems with your plan in that the "tanking ship" your planning on using would have to grab agro prior to your raven attacking them. It might be easier if you simply use your alternate ship in a support role to your raven (similar to what has been mentioned above). You might try something like a Dominix outfitted with shield transporters (remote shield repairers) and 5 heavy shield maintenance drones and have them all focus on keeping your raven alive.
You'd warp into a mission with your raven first, followed closely by the Domi. The Domi would target your raven and launch your shield maintenance drones and sic them on your raven and activate its own shield transporters on the raven and stay within whatever range of the raven you want it to be. You could fit something like:
Dominix:
Highs:
Large Shield Transporter I
Large Shield Transporter I
Large Shield Transporter I
Large Shield Transporter I
Large Shield Transporter I
Salvager I
Mids:
Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I
Lows:
Capacitor Power Relay I
Capacitor Power Relay I
Capacitor Power Relay I
Co-Processor I
Capacitor Power Relay I
Capacitor Power Relay I
Capacitor Power Relay I
Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \
5x Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot I
This has enough cap to run all 5 shield transfers non-stop (max cap regen is ~262 and max cap used is ~240 with appropriate skills). Each shield transporter would be repairing 320 shield hp every 5 seconds which (with all 5 running) would equate to 320 shield hp being regenned every second.
Each heavy shield maintenance drone would be repairing 69 shield hp every 5 seconds. With 5 of them that is another 69 shield hp every second, for a total shield repair amount of 389 shield hp/second.
That would be in addition to whatever the normal passive regen on your raven would be.
Again, the nice thing about this concept is that you wouldn't have to go back to the Domi and have it do anything new until you'd finished cleaning out the current area with your raven. If you go the route you've initially proposed your "tank ship" would have to maintain agro from everything for that plan to work, something you might find a bit more cumbersome to accomplish.
Good luck with whatever you do,
WredStorm
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DrElJefeMD
Caldari
Incoherent Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:56:00 -
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With the following assumptions:
Money no object (officer/deadspace mods ok)
High Skills
No shooting necessary by tank
I would think that a properly fitted absolution with those 7 low slots and those nice resists would have to be a terror. Fitting with two cap recharge rigs and officer cap rechargers in the mids would give the ability to run two core armor reppers simultaneously forever (doing the math in my head - may be wrong though). Combine with a couple of deadspace hardners and faction EANM's and you are gtg
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