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altnr156584651	Posted - 2007.05.22 20:34:00 - [1] what would the strongest tank be that runs forever? i need a ship that goes in first and then a second one just for pure raw damage... the thing is that i dont know wether the abaddon, rokh or drake is the strongest. since i havent flown the abaddon and rokh yet... and how would u set it up? + rigs offcourse. remember, it has to run forever, so that means no capinjectors.
wierchas noobhunter LFC	Posted - 2007.05.22 20:35:00 - [2] well domi tbh domi is like best **** for what u do if u have good skill or not if u pvp or pve it only sucks at fleets
Speed Devil Caldari Mean Machines	Posted - 2007.05.22 20:43:00 - [3] now how can a domi have a stronger tank than abaddon or rokh when it doesnt have 5% resists per lvl? or is it a stealthnerf to pirates that want to stay in highsec?
wierchas noobhunter LFC	Posted - 2007.05.22 20:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Speed Devil now how can a domi have a stronger tank than abaddon or rokh when it doesnt have 5% resists per lvl? doh nature of domi 7 slots for tank ....
Stingwray	Posted - 2007.05.22 20:59:00 - [5] The abaddon 7 slot tank, and a tanking bonus > The dominix 7 slot tank, and no tanking bonus
OldPueblo H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.22 21:30:00 - [6] ^^^ It's a good point, however the domi can fit lots of tank supporting mods in the mids and isn't already starved for cap like an Amarr ship would be. It can deal damage while devoting all cap to its tank. The scenario dictates which is the best tank really. Is the ship going to just sit there and soak or is it gonna need to be able to attack as well, etc.
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.22 21:46:00 - [7] malestorm? ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder Pointless forum slowing bandwidth hogging signature pic inc?
Loki Farseer	Posted - 2007.05.22 21:49:00 - [8] Umm Ladies and Gentlemen... Strongest PERMANENT tank is a Drake... Hence the Nerf to them coming soon to the EVE System near you. Loki Farseer
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.22 21:53:00 - [9] Edited by: madaluap on 22/05/2007 21:51:14 Maelstrom is without doubt the best tank + gank you can imagine. That ship rules. Pith X shieldboost + 2* T2 amp and crystal is unstoppable. If you want a pure T1 setup you might have to consider the mealstrom with scout 425mm and a capital shieldboost. Boosting 80-90% of your shield in 1 go ftw. /edit: btw dude, in pvp no tank runs forever. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
altnr156584651	Posted - 2007.05.22 22:00:00 - [10] its only for tanking, tractorbeaming and salvaging, so not damagedealing my main character will be a raven as pure damagedealer with fof cruises. i expect my lvl 4 missions to be completed and looted/ salvaged faster this way 2 accounts ftw!!! just need to know what ship has the best permatanking power
Stingwray	Posted - 2007.05.22 22:08:00 - [11] Personally I would say go with the dominix then. Mainly because the drone bonus will be of use to you, with the large drone bay as well, making it easy for it to help your raven. 7 slots is enough to have a very good tank without a bonus. 6 highs are enough for looting and salvaging. Plus it has enough mid slots to have an AB, enough Cap Rechargers to sustain everything and then possibly something like a target painter to additionally help your Raven.
altnr156584651	Posted - 2007.05.22 22:18:00 - [12] the drone bonus wont be of any use since the salvage character has bad (very bad!) offensive capabilities, so i only want it to tank, salvage and loot
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.22 22:58:00 - [13] Originally by: altnr156584651 the drone bonus wont be of any use since the salvage character has bad (very bad!) offensive capabilities, so i only want it to tank, salvage and loot Not sure but doesnt that bonus aply to heavy armor/shield maintance drones aswell? I mean having 5 heavy shielddrones on a shieldtanking raven makes things...rather easy. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Kermis Caldari Cryo Crypt inc.	Posted - 2007.05.22 23:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Loki Farseer Umm Ladies and Gentlemen... Strongest PERMANENT tank is a Myrmidon... Hence the Nerf to them coming soon to the EVE System near you. Loki Farseer Fixed. (Wanna know? That extra low and 1 less mid means it can fit an extra SPR in low instead of a shield recharger in mids. SPR (T1) does 20%, recharger (T1) does 15%.)
Red Crown Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.22 23:18:00 - [15] Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 22/05/2007 21:51:14 Maelstrom is without doubt the best tank + gank you can imagine. That ship rules. Pith X shieldboost + 2* T2 amp and crystal is unstoppable. If you want a pure T1 setup you might have to consider the mealstrom with scout 425mm and a capital shieldboost. Boosting 80-90% of your shield in 1 go ftw. /edit: btw dude, in pvp no tank runs forever. How do you get your Maelstroms up to 75,000 PG?!!?!! Please tell me your secret. But in all seriousness? Dominix. Nos....Nos...Nos...the thing is a brick. Myrmidons need tech 2 to last longer. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica
Foulis Minmatar Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 23:45:00 - [16] Originally by: madaluap Originally by: altnr156584651 the drone bonus wont be of any use since the salvage character has bad (very bad!) offensive capabilities, so i only want it to tank, salvage and loot Not sure but doesnt that bonus aply to heavy armor/shield maintance drones aswell? I mean having 5 heavy shielddrones on a shieldtanking raven makes things...rather easy. But rather useless if the raven isn't tanking. Rep drones do bring up a good point, make sure your raven can use them, huge asset. ---- Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.22 23:46:00 - [17] Tech 1 Tank :) You can modify it with some racial hardeners ;) Nighthawk 4tw Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit on the forums. -Darth Patches
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.22 23:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Loki Farseer Umm Ladies and Gentlemen... Strongest PERMANENT tank is a Drake... Hence the Nerf to them coming soon to the EVE System near you. Loki Farseer 2 Things - 1.) No tank is permanent. Even the almighty Drake dies. Yes it takes a while but it will die. 2.) The OP said Tech 1 ship and you can not tell me that the Drake is the best T1 ship for tanking. As it appears most in this forum thinks the Domi is the best.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.05.23 02:34:00 - [19] I like how everyone says mealstrom. Like it's a lunch meat or something. ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
Mirinea	Posted - 2007.05.23 03:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Dahak2150 I like how everyone says mealstrom. Like it's a lunch meat or something. Or Mealstorm. It's raining sandwiches!
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.23 05:17:00 - [21] Aeon with 3 capital reps -----
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 06:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Red Crown How do you get your Maelstroms up to 75,000 PG?!!?!! Please tell me your secret. Maelstrom Capital Shield Booster I 5x Reactor Control Unit II 2x Ancillary Current Router II Ancillary Current Router I Using officer mods you can even make a PVP fit out of it (full rack of T2 autos, MWD, web/scram etc).
Fenren	Posted - 2007.05.23 06:55:00 - [23] yea but good luck in makeing it permanent it is hard to do even with a xl-booster the maelstrom is a good tank put not a permatanker, you have to micromanage it. but hell that ship can tank like no other!!
Ciphero Furious Vendetta FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:06:00 - [24] Maelstrom is an active shield tanker - that atuomatically knocks it out of a "longest-running" tank competition. That said, it can tank higher DPS (while its cap holds) than any non-capital in the game. My vote would have to go with an Abaddon or Rokh - those resistance bonuses make them last a loong time ..
Mathias Orsen	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:29:00 - [25] I'd go with a hyperion. Tanking bonus, rigs, and 5 slots for cap rechargers. Might be alot easier to get it to perma tank than a mealstrom. As long as you have the skills to get the tanking bonus, rigs to boost the repper, It should have no problem tanking lvl 4 missions. Cake-walk if you use just rat specific hardeners. The repper bonus on the hype is actually far better than the resist bonus on the abaddon. The draw back is that the abaddon don't have to spend cap to get it's bonus. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
Angus Torg	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:41:00 - [26] Hm, I would field a passive Drake. Probably even 2 of them, so it doesn't matter which one is under fire - in case the NPCs decide to roast your Raven. The next advantage is that you don't have to care of activating any modules. Just go in - fire FOFs, collect loot and repeat. Setup is easy (everyone should know it by now). Drake, 3 Large Shield Extender, 3 Resistance Amplifier, 4 Shield Power Relay, 3 Core Defence Field Purger. If you use T1 and named stuff, it will last quite long. With T2 even longer. Basically, this is so easy that it will bore you to hell and back in no time - unless you need the ISK to do some creepy things. But if you want to find an opportunity to burn all the ISK you earn then, I would think about switching to more "fun" ships later on. Maybe a Sleipnir with Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster? Can be run forever, too. And can tank most missions alone. Or my beloved Astarte with dual Corpum repairer. Tanks great, blasts greater. The problems of battleships used as perma-tankers is that they can hardly use oversized modules (whereas Drake has no problems fitting battleship sized shield extenders). Of course, the Maelstrom with the capital shield booster [uses 240 cap/sec, and has almost no slots free to get that cap]. The other possibility is a dual setup, which is quite hard to make sustainable. Abaddon and Hyperion (which are quite on par) can do it with a lot of cap rechargers and so on. But as long as the large shield extenders can be used on cruisers (and battlecruisers), this will be the cheapest alternative. Ever tried the passive I5? Phunny. Can we get EVE back? Please.
Silvana Starbreeze key tech limited	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:18:00 - [27] I suggest a passive shieldtanked Myrmidon 3 LSE, 2 Hardeners, 6x shield power relay and three shield recharge rigs Tanks better than a Drake AND still has Drones to do some serious damage Demonstration Vid
dralid M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:55:00 - [28] Maybe you change your tactic : Your damage dealer goes in first with normal, not badass tank. Then you send your alt in a support ship (cruiser mostly) who can then help your main tanking by sending energy, shield or armor, deploying more shield or armor bots, and that gives your main damage dealer a badass permatank. I use an Oneiros (or Exequror as T1) with 2 energy transfer and 2 remote armor repairs and some repair drones, which keeps my Megathron nicely alive without worries. Where do the wild roses grow?
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:06:00 - [29] Edited by: WredStorm on 23/05/2007 15:08:11 OP, You might have problems with your plan in that the "tanking ship" your planning on using would have to grab agro prior to your raven attacking them. It might be easier if you simply use your alternate ship in a support role to your raven (similar to what has been mentioned above). You might try something like a Dominix outfitted with shield transporters (remote shield repairers) and 5 heavy shield maintenance drones and have them all focus on keeping your raven alive. You'd warp into a mission with your raven first, followed closely by the Domi. The Domi would target your raven and launch your shield maintenance drones and sic them on your raven and activate its own shield transporters on the raven and stay within whatever range of the raven you want it to be. You could fit something like: Dominix: Highs: Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Salvager I Mids: Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Lows: Capacitor Power Relay I Capacitor Power Relay I Capacitor Power Relay I Co-Processor I Capacitor Power Relay I Capacitor Power Relay I Capacitor Power Relay I Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ 5x Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot I This has enough cap to run all 5 shield transfers non-stop (max cap regen is ~262 and max cap used is ~240 with appropriate skills). Each shield transporter would be repairing 320 shield hp every 5 seconds which (with all 5 running) would equate to 320 shield hp being regenned every second. Each heavy shield maintenance drone would be repairing 69 shield hp every 5 seconds. With 5 of them that is another 69 shield hp every second, for a total shield repair amount of 389 shield hp/second. That would be in addition to whatever the normal passive regen on your raven would be. Again, the nice thing about this concept is that you wouldn't have to go back to the Domi and have it do anything new until you'd finished cleaning out the current area with your raven. If you go the route you've initially proposed your "tank ship" would have to maintain agro from everything for that plan to work, something you might find a bit more cumbersome to accomplish. Good luck with whatever you do, WredStorm ----- Think out of the box, consider passive shield tanking your Myrmidon, you'll be pleasantly surprised!
DrElJefeMD Caldari Incoherent Inc	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:56:00 - [30] With the following assumptions: Money no object (officer/deadspace mods ok) High Skills No shooting necessary by tank I would think that a properly fitted absolution with those 7 low slots and those nice resists would have to be a terror. Fitting with two cap recharge rigs and officer cap rechargers in the mids would give the ability to run two core armor reppers simultaneously forever (doing the math in my head - may be wrong though). Combine with a couple of deadspace hardners and faction EANM's and you are gtg
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:21:00 - [31] Originally by: DrElJefeMD Money no object (officer/deadspace mods ok) Maelstrom Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster 2x Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier 2x Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger 5x Chelm's Modified Power Diagnostic System 2x Core Defence Operational Solidifier II Core Defence Operational Solidifier I 13018 shield, 27.06/s, E/T/K/Ex=71/77/83/88 Permanently boosting a nice 854.954 shield/sec without any implants. (1863.801 in 2.18 sec) Or Hyperion 5x Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger Chelm's Modified Armor Explosive Hardener 2x Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 3x Chelm's Modified Large Armor Repairer 2x Auxiliary Nano Pump II Nanobot Accelerator I 10200 armor, E/T/K/Ex=83/72/72/82 Triple repairs pump out about 782.88 armor/sec with each hitting 2494.8 armor in 9.56 sec.
Hayward Cyprus Caldari Exiled.	Posted - 2007.05.23 21:01:00 - [32] If it is for missions, I don't think there is one best for all, it will depend on what you fight against. I would therefore suggest to take a closer look into AFs or HACS, and using the race specific bonuses there (you also get a nice damage reduction from lower sig radius, that you have to factor in + skill to lvl 3 lets u use small t2 repper). Problem will be, with current mission design, most missions will not be doable like this for you, as you have a lot of triggers and they may target the wrong ship. Other missions you cannot tank with any t1 (nor t2) permatank full stage aggro. In fact if you just use a well tanked Raven/CNR and have the alt follow one stage behind in a dedicated looter/salvager, you may be better off and safer (esp. if you can use 2 comps). If the tank is to run forever without Cap Boosters, that rules out any decent shield tank, so it is either passive, or armor tank. If you go passive, myrm or drake are your choice, but they are no use if you cannot aggro full stage (they won't have the targeting range for all missions, so if you can't pull droneaggro you are screwed). Armor tank I would suggest Amarr HAC or BS (most cap/slotlayout good enough), or Hyperion. Those should be your best bet if you need to permarun. As for setup, something that can aggro at long range (civilian gatling gun or bigger :P), 1 LAR, 3 primary, 3 secondary hardeners, meds full of cap rechargers, if you have a spare low, damage control. On missions that do all damage types it will get tough though. As for rigs, as many cap recharge rigs as you need to get the tank perma, if you have spare, bonus to rep amount. To figure that out, get quickfit and enter your skills..... But again, due to current design of missions, I wouldn't try what you plan, as it's not going to work on a good deal of missions. Hayward Cyprus
Ahz	Posted - 2007.05.23 21:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Ciphero Maelstrom is an active shield tanker - that atuomatically knocks it out of a "longest-running" tank competition... Noob questions: What determines whether or not a ship is a better passive tanker versus active? Are all Minmatar ships active tankers? Should I just stop training up those kinetic shield compensation skills?
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 21:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Ahz Originally by: Ciphero Maelstrom is an active shield tanker - that atuomatically knocks it out of a "longest-running" tank competition... Noob questions: What determines whether or not a ship is a better passive tanker versus active? Are all Minmatar ships active tankers? Should I just stop training up those kinetic shield compensation skills? Unless a ship has a specific bonus towards some form of tank anything can be anything; even with a bonus sometimes its better to do something else... the Maelstrom and Cyclone get an active shield boost bonus, which makes them active shield tanks. BSes in general don't make good passive tanks in general (some ships, like the Scorpion, can do it) because passive tanks rely on oversized modules, and no such modules exist for BSes. I don't know why the Mael would get ruled out as a longest running tank, as it is quite easy to get a permanent setup with Gist XLs.
Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.05.23 22:13:00 - [35] I simply love the people suggesting the heavy rep drones, as if they do any good by yourself............ Come on homies, you can't be stating what you have no clue about. Either a domi, mael, or for cheapness sake a geddon. If you got the cash, a command ship, but who wants a salvaging command ship lol.
Robke Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 00:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Megan Maynard Come on homies, you can't be stating what you have no clue about. Either a domi.... TS is asking for the best permament t1 tank. This is certainly not a domi.
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.05.24 14:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Megan Maynard I simply love the people suggesting the heavy rep drones, as if they do any good by yourself............ Come on homies, you can't be stating what you have no clue about. Either a domi, mael, or for cheapness sake a geddon. If you got the cash, a command ship, but who wants a salvaging command ship lol. I would suggest you do a little more reading and a little less putting down other people's responses. The OP specifically stated he is looking for the best tank so that he can lead in with a ship with such a tank and follow that with a second ship that will be his damage dealer. Those of us who suggested heavy shield maintenance bots were simply proposing an alternative way he might accomplish similar results... none of us suggested trying to use the heavy rep drones on the ship actually launching them (that isn't possible)... we proposed using them on his damage dealing Raven in conjunction with shield transfers from the ship acting in a logistics role. WredStorm ----- Think out of the box, consider passive shield tanking your Myrmidon, you'll be pleasantly surprised!
sdmbist5 miner CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:17:00 - [38] Originally by: WredStorm Edited by: WredStorm on 23/05/2007 15:08:11 OP, You might have problems with your plan in that the "tanking ship" your planning on using would have to grab agro prior to your raven attacking them. It might be easier if you simply use your alternate ship in a support role to your raven (similar to what has been mentioned above). You might try something like a Dominix outfitted with shield transporters (remote shield repairers) and 5 heavy shield maintenance drones and have them all focus on keeping your raven alive. You'd warp into a mission with your raven first, followed closely by the Domi. The Domi would target your raven and launch your shield maintenance drones and sic them on your raven and activate its own shield transporters on the raven and stay within whatever range of the raven you want it to be. You could fit something like: Dominix: Highs: Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Salvager I Mids: Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Lows: Capacitor Power Relay I Capacitor Power Relay I Capacitor Power Relay I Co-Processor I Capacitor Power Relay I Capacitor Power Relay I Capacitor Power Relay I Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ 5x Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot I This has enough cap to run all 5 shield transfers non-stop (max cap regen is ~262 and max cap used is ~240 with appropriate skills). Each shield transporter would be repairing 320 shield hp every 5 seconds which (with all 5 running) would equate to 320 shield hp being regenned every second. Each heavy shield maintenance drone would be repairing 69 shield hp every 5 seconds. With 5 of them that is another 69 shield hp every second, for a total shield repair amount of 389 shield hp/second. That would be in addition to whatever the normal passive regen on your raven would be. Again, the nice thing about this concept is that you wouldn't have to go back to the Domi and have it do anything new until you'd finished cleaning out the current area with your raven. If you go the route you've initially proposed your "tank ship" would have to maintain agro from everything for that plan to work, something you might find a bit more cumbersome to accomplish. Good luck with whatever you do, WredStorm Best idea yet. All the raven would need to do is fit a X-large shield booster II and 5 hardners. The booster is so he doesn't die while getting agro and waiting for the domi to warp in.
altnr156584651	Posted - 2007.05.28 17:26:00 - [39] errr, how about this? rokh takes the aggro, make a nice tank on that, in highslots put 4 fof cruises, use the other highslots for tractorbeams and salvage the 2nd ship, a dominix, does the damage with drones and shield + energytransfers to the rokh
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2007.05.28 22:32:00 - [40] Dominix is useful because of drone power.. on a low skilled character however this isn't that useful when doing duo missions.. First off you have the constant targetting you have to do (since your raven has aggro).. second.. honestly .. tech I tanking sux for certain lvl 4's.. really.. I would just go for a tech II tank.. for a domi that's pretty damned easy tbh, just a few skills at lvl 5 (don't forget the cap skills). When doing lvl 5 on the test server I was just doing a domi with it's own tank and built for helping to tank: 2x large shield transfer (well they were armour but I guess they fit kinda the same) 2x heavy nos 2x drone link 5x cap recharger II (seriously get those over tech I's any day) 1x LAR (if you must have tech I the best named, but..) 4x tanking slot 1x damage control 1x beta cap relay 3x cap rig / 2x cap rig + 1x aux nano pump rig attack drones and 5x logistics drones But next to a raven I often like to see .. a raven.. if you set them up about the same (with good tank and at least 1 heavy shield transfer on each) you should be fine to tank stuff, and it's really useful when doing damage.. Btw, a few issues with your plan: You're really faster with two damage boats and after the mission salvaging with a dedicated salvage ship following a nice loot ship... the dominix can be an exception because you can get dmg while keeping your high slots free.. FoF missiles might not work too well to really keep your tech I domi alive long enough All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Jacob Holland Gallente FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.29 07:29:00 - [41] Apoc. If you aren't using it for guns then it's a better tank than the Domi, primarily because it's higher tier but mostly for its cap bonus. Highs: Salvagers and Tractors to taste Mids: Cap Rechargers Lows: Dual Large Rep, 4 x Hardeners, Cap Power Relay. Rigs: Rep Amount, Rep Cycle Time, Cap Control A Domi cannot sustain both reps on a similar setup permanently (it can do so for a long while but not permanently) whereas the Apoc can with a reasonable BS level. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.

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