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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:49:00 -
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..or provide some proof.
Frankly, as Im no doubt everybody is ware, this sort of unfounded knee-jerk hate filled garbage accusations irritates the crap out of me.
Just who the hell do the CFS think they are to throw accusation of illegal activity at people without a shred of proof?
Seems the CFS are now accusing EVE Guardian of hacking their (CFS) forums and taking information "illegally".
Hey CFS!?
Show us some evidence...
Not too mention you seem to have abandondoned free space and free speach in the same day.
Over and over and over we see the CFS attack any agency that publishes anything they want to keep silent, with no proof at all and yet claiming the moral highground.
Proof first - and try starting by stating publically that you know for a FACT that a Senator did not send that entire set of information to EG.
Somehow, I dont think you can.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:56:00 -
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wow..
its not like no one would have known anyways, the second you try to enforce the bill people would be up in the air screaming like they just did (me  ) so I don't see what the big deal is?
better the CFS find out this 'plan' is bull before it gets 'implemented', and by the sounds of it, it would be soon/asap anyways.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:09:00 -
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Quote from EVE Guardian:
This piece of information is ILLEGALLY taken from the CFS forums.
We thought you would have the DECENCY, as a NEWS site, to CONTACT us regarding this document as EVERY normal news site would do to find out if it was ok to publish this.
I really wonder what that means in terms of legal and illegal acquired information.
Interesting day for the CFS..
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 08/01/2004 02:19:12
Whatever the muppet who submitted that drivel meant is kind of irrelevant, the entire quoted bill was submitted openly to EVE Guardian.
It was also submitted to other parties.... (hint hint hint hint) Some few at the CFS are grinding axes and ensuring the information is freely distributed.
So far though the CFS have stated it was "hacked" and now "obtained illegally" without offering a shred of evidence.
It really really really pees me off the way the same suspects constantly try to run down news agencies and ALWAYS because they publish something the other party didnt want to go public...
well tough luck.
The CFS should show some honour and either put out the evidence or retract the accusations.
Its not only pathetically unfounded its also detremetnal to the community as a whole..and as a seemingly deliberate orchestrated offence by the CFS it is appallingly shameful.
Some of us appreciate the news and these crass attempts to smother properly obtained news are base.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:39:00 -
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No one from CFS will respond to this one? I just take that as you are truly trying to stop the free press and free speach then.
Besides the free stars..
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:52:00 -
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Morkt's post isn't worth getting deeper into it.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:53:00 -
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Then it is true.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:00:00 -
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Is your opinion.
We know better.
Forums are ideal for speculation and conclusions based upon idea's, conclusions and guesses. As such they shouldn't be taken so seriously and all information writen on it, about someone else then the poster himself is nothing more but an opinion.
Despite all that some claim to have seen only the CFS knows what's really going on inside the CFS.
All those not in the CFS not having a full understanding of it can talk all they like but it's all bla bla bla.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:06:00 -
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Fargas I know Morkt is anti CFS but what got you started on the hate campaign. Not a flame just wondering.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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ColdFuzion
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: ColdFuzion on 08/01/2004 16:08:50
Hell that story was on the eve forums someone linked the eve forum to them
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:08:00 -
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Is your opinion.
We know better.
Forums are ideal for speculation and conclusions based upon idea's, conclusions and guesses. As such they shouldn't be taken so seriously and all information writen on it, about someone else then the poster himself is nothing more but an opinion.
Despite all that some claim to have seen only the CFS knows what's really going on inside the CFS.
All those not in the CFS not having a full understanding of it can talk all they like but it's all bla bla bla.
At the end of the day it is yet another example of CFS duplicity and only following their supposedly much loved laws when they see fit.
You have made serious accusations against EVE Guardian with no evidence whatsoever.
As for your claim to be the only ones who know whats going on that is clearly untrue - some of your own Senators are leaking whats going on and you dont seem to be able to admit the fact, instead resorting to outright lies and false accusations.
The true CFS is now being seen.
Liars who make up "facts" to suit themselves. You ahve no proof at all of wrong doing by EVE Guardian or anybody else, your forums weren't hacked and you don't dont like admitting your own emmbers dislike the Bill so much they leaked all the informaiton.
Time for the self-righteous in the CFS to show a shred of decency.
I wont hold my breath though.
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heavyg
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:12:00 -
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Hands Morkt a very large wooded spoon so he continue stiring (mind you he dosent need one really)
I have never seen a bunch of people so in love with there own voice.
Morkt, is you own corp life soo boring you have to delve into others?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:16:00 -
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Funny thing isnt it heavyg - how nobody at CFS cana ctually back up their claim that EVE Guardian or anybody else hacked the CFS forum and obtained that information illegally.
Its funny because two public claims of such the CFS people making them were simply LIEING.
Personally, anything you ahve to say in this thread other than an apology, is irrelvant.
The CFS cannot and will not produce any evidence to support their LIES because there have none.
The informationw as leaked by two CFS Senators to different sources... yet still you defend the lies of your peers heavyg?
CFS stirred the pot by making the accusations, they can simply unstir it by retracting the lies and accusations. Its about time they showed some honesty.
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heavyg
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: heavyg on 08/01/2004 16:34:08
Edited by: heavyg on 08/01/2004 16:25:27
As i have no access to the senate forums i cannot comment on the validity of any statement made from there.
It is a poor show if we do have senate level spies, i hope they have the brass to standup and be counted.
As ALL corps are based on trust these people are running the risk of being tarred with the same brush as corp thiefs.
My comment Morkt is whenever there is anything going on with the CFS you can bet you bottom dollar Morkt will be there giving it a prod and a stir.
I have no problem with m0o's claims and general fighting ability, they are much better then average:)
I do have a problem however with all the armchair generals sitting making comments from the comfort of there mining BS's safe in empire space or while sitting in station talking to there agents.
As we all know opinions are like a ss holes.... we all have one and they all stink!
BTW i will not apologise for anything I am not responsible for.. IF i am in error i will make an apology, however i do not think you can find a flaming post fom me regards the eve guardian or any other news agency.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:27:00 -
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At the end of the day it is yet another example of CFS duplicity and only following their supposedly much loved laws when they see fit.
You have made serious accusations against EVE Guardian with no evidence whatsoever.
As for your claim to be the only ones who know whats going on that is clearly untrue - some of your own Senators are leaking whats going on and you dont seem to be able to admit the fact, instead resorting to outright lies and false accusations.
The true CFS is now being seen.
Liars who make up "facts" to suit themselves. You ahve no proof at all of wrong doing by EVE Guardian or anybody else, your forums weren't hacked and you don't dont like admitting your own emmbers dislike the Bill so much they leaked all the informaiton.
Time for the self-righteous in the CFS to show a shred of decency.
I wont hold my breath though.
You're on the Eve guardian horse a lot aren't you. Maybe we can find some medicine fot that.
And fyi CFS as a coalition hasn't made any acusations towards EG. poof blown that whole line of reasoning out of the water.
Good luck finding something else.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:30:00 -
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erm Raindrop - if it hasnt escaped your notice your Seantor Ends made a claim in these forums that the information was "hacked".
And another CFS demanded from EG that the "illegally obtained" information be removed - thats on the EG site itself.
Please try getting your facts straight.. and, yes, im on anycase where people try to damn news agencies, especially where they try to claim some moral highground.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:33:00 -
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1 Senator thinks it's hacked and you claim the CFS as a coalition stated as a fact that it's hacked?
Keep trying.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:35:00 -
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It is a poor show if we do have senate level spies, i hope they have the brass to standup and be counted.
You dont have spies - you ahve senators who want to make public what the senate is doing.
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I do have a problem however with all the armchair generals sitting making comments from the comfort of there mining BS's safe in empire space or while sitting in station talking to there agents.
Well thats taken care of 98% of the CFS hasnt it. 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:37:00 -
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1 Senator thinks it's hacked and you claim the CFS as a coalition stated as a fact that it's hacked?
Keep trying.
Make a start towards the truth Raindrop and make it one senator claiming hacking and another stating clearly there is no eveidence to support that.
Stop dodging the subject, it only makes you look individually and as an organisation worse and worse.
This is all in the public domain, bit too late to try bolting stable doors.
Either the CFS Senate have some evidence to back up their portracted anti-EG cmapaign or they don't. You might want to try asking your brother Senator to also withdraw the accusation.. lots of things you could do rather than dodging over and over.
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Mistress D'Malice
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:39:00 -
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I can say that "illegaly obtained" does not only mean "hacked". When someone is given information that is strictly for "internal use only", and then uses it outside the realm it was created is "illegal" in itself. How it was obtained may not be illegal. But if you knowingly post something that was not intended to be public or take only a part of the information, hence taking it out of context, is incorrect and wrong IMHO.
And lets face it...its not like Guardian is a TRUE NEUTRAL outside agency designed for players.
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Celebon on 08/01/2004 16:51:15
as far as i can see reading the threads, Ends was making the hacking claim to Stavros/m0o looking at their boards, not you or the EVE guardian morkt. And no, m0o didn't hack the boards, they got the information legally though bribery as in the rebuttal by Stavros.
Though now that i think about it, that isn't including anything said in the contact to the eve guardian by whoever it was.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 16:51:41
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1 Senator thinks it's hacked and you claim the CFS as a coalition stated as a fact that it's hacked?
Keep trying.
Make a start towards the truth Raindrop and make it one senator claiming hacking and another stating clearly there is no eveidence to support that.
Stop dodging the subject, it only makes you look individually and as an organisation worse and worse.
This is all in the public domain, bit too late to try bolting stable doors.
Either the CFS Senate have some evidence to back up their portracted anti-EG cmapaign or they don't. You might want to try asking your brother Senator to also withdraw the accusation.. lots of things you could do rather than dodging over and over.
Spin master Morkt you are amazing you take what 2 independent senators have said and turn it in the lies of the CFS.
These are senators like myself and we voice our personal opinions. Whether you like it or not they are allowed to have ones that differ to your own without being called liars and cheats.
Get over yourself already.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:20:00 -
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"independent" Senators now are they?
Ok lets play this little game then.
Lets see the CFS publically dissacociate themselves from the unfounded claims of these 2 "Independent senators" then.
You see Talon, no matter which way you try to cut it the CFS wants to blame anybody but themselves and wants it to look like the information was illegally obtained.
You just cant admit that your own membership HATE the entire idea even to the extent of freely handing out any and all information on it.
CFS never did learn that if they want to preach honesty they have to also behave honestly... at least the ones who are also responsible for the CFS collapse, like yourself, never learnt it.
Looking at the losses against m0o its interesting to see just how many names of the common CFS people from this frum aren't visible there at all... oddd that.
Hows your agent btw Talon? Still keeping your from defending your claimed territory is he?
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:20:00 -
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We don't need evidence.
The senate hasn't brought out those acusations.
Keep on trying
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:28:00 -
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lolol
You mean "we dont have any evidence".
You just cant say it can you heres some help:
"The CFS have no evidence whatsoever to support these wild claims of illegally obtained information. The CFS oepnly accept that Seantors are unhappy with the proposed Bill and probably leaked the information themselves. The CFS do not Support the unfounded accusations amde by two other seantors that anything illegal or any hacking took palce."
You obviously need the help as the CFS membership is apparently now totally incapable of telling the truth and acting in a honest and open.
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Oh congratulations on being the new CFS news service Raindrop....
shame you have to start your news career with the demise of the CFS from within and the support of spreading falsehoods about other news agencies.
"irony" doesnt cover half of it.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:36:00 -
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LOL we didn't but keep on trying.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:42:00 -
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OoC: hehe i think one reply was enough Raindrop (the forums appear to be playing up dont they , i keep getting thread errors and all sorts also)
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 18:34:00 -
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OoC: Buggered up!
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.01.08 18:36:00 -
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Now I know that you are an editor on EG Morkt ;)
Just fun to know who i was sending my stuff to..
I won't be sending stuff anymore, i know enough ;)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 18:47:00 -
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Now I know that you are an editor on EG Morkt ;)
Just fun to know who i was sending my stuff to..
I won't be sending stuff anymore, i know enough ;)
I think you will find Raindrop stated above it was 2 Senators, thanks for letting us know it was you though.
How about an apology... seems you are as accurate as to my connections with EG as you are with your accusations against EG -
that is - fatally flawed.
If you knew anything you would know that Leo Graf is EG Editor, you would also know that I helped set up EG and gave them the MDW info along with other assitence.
Unlike the CFS though I didn't give up what I stand for when I stopped MDW nor when I helped EG get going.
I still hate and detest deliberate attempts by people to destroy the hard work of people who offer the community real news.
And any attempts by morons to destabilise, deliberately, an IC news service is reprehensible. Don't try to disguise a flagrant and totally unsurported false accusation as a bizare attempt to see if I am an EG Editor.
Its patehtically sad and yet another lie.
I suggest you offer up some evidence to support your LIE that EVE Guardian illegally obtained that information or go down in EVE annals as yet another CFS liar.
I also suggest you consider just how many CFS Senators are now handing out information from your senate forums (and elsewhere) because whilst you try to appear clever you are making a bigger and bigger fool of yourself.
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