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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:49:00 -
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..or provide some proof.
Frankly, as Im no doubt everybody is ware, this sort of unfounded knee-jerk hate filled garbage accusations irritates the crap out of me.
Just who the hell do the CFS think they are to throw accusation of illegal activity at people without a shred of proof?
Seems the CFS are now accusing EVE Guardian of hacking their (CFS) forums and taking information "illegally".
Hey CFS!?
Show us some evidence...
Not too mention you seem to have abandondoned free space and free speach in the same day.
Over and over and over we see the CFS attack any agency that publishes anything they want to keep silent, with no proof at all and yet claiming the moral highground.
Proof first - and try starting by stating publically that you know for a FACT that a Senator did not send that entire set of information to EG.
Somehow, I dont think you can.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:56:00 -
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wow..
its not like no one would have known anyways, the second you try to enforce the bill people would be up in the air screaming like they just did (me  ) so I don't see what the big deal is?
better the CFS find out this 'plan' is bull before it gets 'implemented', and by the sounds of it, it would be soon/asap anyways.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:09:00 -
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Quote from EVE Guardian:
This piece of information is ILLEGALLY taken from the CFS forums.
We thought you would have the DECENCY, as a NEWS site, to CONTACT us regarding this document as EVERY normal news site would do to find out if it was ok to publish this.
I really wonder what that means in terms of legal and illegal acquired information.
Interesting day for the CFS..
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 08/01/2004 02:19:12
Whatever the muppet who submitted that drivel meant is kind of irrelevant, the entire quoted bill was submitted openly to EVE Guardian.
It was also submitted to other parties.... (hint hint hint hint) Some few at the CFS are grinding axes and ensuring the information is freely distributed.
So far though the CFS have stated it was "hacked" and now "obtained illegally" without offering a shred of evidence.
It really really really pees me off the way the same suspects constantly try to run down news agencies and ALWAYS because they publish something the other party didnt want to go public...
well tough luck.
The CFS should show some honour and either put out the evidence or retract the accusations.
Its not only pathetically unfounded its also detremetnal to the community as a whole..and as a seemingly deliberate orchestrated offence by the CFS it is appallingly shameful.
Some of us appreciate the news and these crass attempts to smother properly obtained news are base.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:39:00 -
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No one from CFS will respond to this one? I just take that as you are truly trying to stop the free press and free speach then.
Besides the free stars..
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:52:00 -
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Morkt's post isn't worth getting deeper into it.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:53:00 -
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Then it is true.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:00:00 -
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Is your opinion.
We know better.
Forums are ideal for speculation and conclusions based upon idea's, conclusions and guesses. As such they shouldn't be taken so seriously and all information writen on it, about someone else then the poster himself is nothing more but an opinion.
Despite all that some claim to have seen only the CFS knows what's really going on inside the CFS.
All those not in the CFS not having a full understanding of it can talk all they like but it's all bla bla bla.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:06:00 -
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Fargas I know Morkt is anti CFS but what got you started on the hate campaign. Not a flame just wondering.
Tal
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ColdFuzion
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: ColdFuzion on 08/01/2004 16:08:50
Hell that story was on the eve forums someone linked the eve forum to them
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:08:00 -
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Is your opinion.
We know better.
Forums are ideal for speculation and conclusions based upon idea's, conclusions and guesses. As such they shouldn't be taken so seriously and all information writen on it, about someone else then the poster himself is nothing more but an opinion.
Despite all that some claim to have seen only the CFS knows what's really going on inside the CFS.
All those not in the CFS not having a full understanding of it can talk all they like but it's all bla bla bla.
At the end of the day it is yet another example of CFS duplicity and only following their supposedly much loved laws when they see fit.
You have made serious accusations against EVE Guardian with no evidence whatsoever.
As for your claim to be the only ones who know whats going on that is clearly untrue - some of your own Senators are leaking whats going on and you dont seem to be able to admit the fact, instead resorting to outright lies and false accusations.
The true CFS is now being seen.
Liars who make up "facts" to suit themselves. You ahve no proof at all of wrong doing by EVE Guardian or anybody else, your forums weren't hacked and you don't dont like admitting your own emmbers dislike the Bill so much they leaked all the informaiton.
Time for the self-righteous in the CFS to show a shred of decency.
I wont hold my breath though.
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heavyg
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:12:00 -
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Hands Morkt a very large wooded spoon so he continue stiring (mind you he dosent need one really)
I have never seen a bunch of people so in love with there own voice.
Morkt, is you own corp life soo boring you have to delve into others?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:16:00 -
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Funny thing isnt it heavyg - how nobody at CFS cana ctually back up their claim that EVE Guardian or anybody else hacked the CFS forum and obtained that information illegally.
Its funny because two public claims of such the CFS people making them were simply LIEING.
Personally, anything you ahve to say in this thread other than an apology, is irrelvant.
The CFS cannot and will not produce any evidence to support their LIES because there have none.
The informationw as leaked by two CFS Senators to different sources... yet still you defend the lies of your peers heavyg?
CFS stirred the pot by making the accusations, they can simply unstir it by retracting the lies and accusations. Its about time they showed some honesty.
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heavyg
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: heavyg on 08/01/2004 16:34:08
Edited by: heavyg on 08/01/2004 16:25:27
As i have no access to the senate forums i cannot comment on the validity of any statement made from there.
It is a poor show if we do have senate level spies, i hope they have the brass to standup and be counted.
As ALL corps are based on trust these people are running the risk of being tarred with the same brush as corp thiefs.
My comment Morkt is whenever there is anything going on with the CFS you can bet you bottom dollar Morkt will be there giving it a prod and a stir.
I have no problem with m0o's claims and general fighting ability, they are much better then average:)
I do have a problem however with all the armchair generals sitting making comments from the comfort of there mining BS's safe in empire space or while sitting in station talking to there agents.
As we all know opinions are like a ss holes.... we all have one and they all stink!
BTW i will not apologise for anything I am not responsible for.. IF i am in error i will make an apology, however i do not think you can find a flaming post fom me regards the eve guardian or any other news agency.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:27:00 -
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At the end of the day it is yet another example of CFS duplicity and only following their supposedly much loved laws when they see fit.
You have made serious accusations against EVE Guardian with no evidence whatsoever.
As for your claim to be the only ones who know whats going on that is clearly untrue - some of your own Senators are leaking whats going on and you dont seem to be able to admit the fact, instead resorting to outright lies and false accusations.
The true CFS is now being seen.
Liars who make up "facts" to suit themselves. You ahve no proof at all of wrong doing by EVE Guardian or anybody else, your forums weren't hacked and you don't dont like admitting your own emmbers dislike the Bill so much they leaked all the informaiton.
Time for the self-righteous in the CFS to show a shred of decency.
I wont hold my breath though.
You're on the Eve guardian horse a lot aren't you. Maybe we can find some medicine fot that.
And fyi CFS as a coalition hasn't made any acusations towards EG. poof blown that whole line of reasoning out of the water.
Good luck finding something else.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:30:00 -
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erm Raindrop - if it hasnt escaped your notice your Seantor Ends made a claim in these forums that the information was "hacked".
And another CFS demanded from EG that the "illegally obtained" information be removed - thats on the EG site itself.
Please try getting your facts straight.. and, yes, im on anycase where people try to damn news agencies, especially where they try to claim some moral highground.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:33:00 -
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1 Senator thinks it's hacked and you claim the CFS as a coalition stated as a fact that it's hacked?
Keep trying.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:35:00 -
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It is a poor show if we do have senate level spies, i hope they have the brass to standup and be counted.
You dont have spies - you ahve senators who want to make public what the senate is doing.
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I do have a problem however with all the armchair generals sitting making comments from the comfort of there mining BS's safe in empire space or while sitting in station talking to there agents.
Well thats taken care of 98% of the CFS hasnt it. 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:37:00 -
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1 Senator thinks it's hacked and you claim the CFS as a coalition stated as a fact that it's hacked?
Keep trying.
Make a start towards the truth Raindrop and make it one senator claiming hacking and another stating clearly there is no eveidence to support that.
Stop dodging the subject, it only makes you look individually and as an organisation worse and worse.
This is all in the public domain, bit too late to try bolting stable doors.
Either the CFS Senate have some evidence to back up their portracted anti-EG cmapaign or they don't. You might want to try asking your brother Senator to also withdraw the accusation.. lots of things you could do rather than dodging over and over.
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Mistress D'Malice
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:39:00 -
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I can say that "illegaly obtained" does not only mean "hacked". When someone is given information that is strictly for "internal use only", and then uses it outside the realm it was created is "illegal" in itself. How it was obtained may not be illegal. But if you knowingly post something that was not intended to be public or take only a part of the information, hence taking it out of context, is incorrect and wrong IMHO.
And lets face it...its not like Guardian is a TRUE NEUTRAL outside agency designed for players.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Celebon on 08/01/2004 16:51:15
as far as i can see reading the threads, Ends was making the hacking claim to Stavros/m0o looking at their boards, not you or the EVE guardian morkt. And no, m0o didn't hack the boards, they got the information legally though bribery as in the rebuttal by Stavros.
Though now that i think about it, that isn't including anything said in the contact to the eve guardian by whoever it was.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 16:51:41
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1 Senator thinks it's hacked and you claim the CFS as a coalition stated as a fact that it's hacked?
Keep trying.
Make a start towards the truth Raindrop and make it one senator claiming hacking and another stating clearly there is no eveidence to support that.
Stop dodging the subject, it only makes you look individually and as an organisation worse and worse.
This is all in the public domain, bit too late to try bolting stable doors.
Either the CFS Senate have some evidence to back up their portracted anti-EG cmapaign or they don't. You might want to try asking your brother Senator to also withdraw the accusation.. lots of things you could do rather than dodging over and over.
Spin master Morkt you are amazing you take what 2 independent senators have said and turn it in the lies of the CFS.
These are senators like myself and we voice our personal opinions. Whether you like it or not they are allowed to have ones that differ to your own without being called liars and cheats.
Get over yourself already.
Tal
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:20:00 -
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"independent" Senators now are they?
Ok lets play this little game then.
Lets see the CFS publically dissacociate themselves from the unfounded claims of these 2 "Independent senators" then.
You see Talon, no matter which way you try to cut it the CFS wants to blame anybody but themselves and wants it to look like the information was illegally obtained.
You just cant admit that your own membership HATE the entire idea even to the extent of freely handing out any and all information on it.
CFS never did learn that if they want to preach honesty they have to also behave honestly... at least the ones who are also responsible for the CFS collapse, like yourself, never learnt it.
Looking at the losses against m0o its interesting to see just how many names of the common CFS people from this frum aren't visible there at all... oddd that.
Hows your agent btw Talon? Still keeping your from defending your claimed territory is he?
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:20:00 -
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We don't need evidence.
The senate hasn't brought out those acusations.
Keep on trying
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:28:00 -
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lolol
You mean "we dont have any evidence".
You just cant say it can you heres some help:
"The CFS have no evidence whatsoever to support these wild claims of illegally obtained information. The CFS oepnly accept that Seantors are unhappy with the proposed Bill and probably leaked the information themselves. The CFS do not Support the unfounded accusations amde by two other seantors that anything illegal or any hacking took palce."
You obviously need the help as the CFS membership is apparently now totally incapable of telling the truth and acting in a honest and open.
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Oh congratulations on being the new CFS news service Raindrop....
shame you have to start your news career with the demise of the CFS from within and the support of spreading falsehoods about other news agencies.
"irony" doesnt cover half of it.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:36:00 -
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LOL we didn't but keep on trying.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 17:42:00 -
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OoC: hehe i think one reply was enough Raindrop (the forums appear to be playing up dont they , i keep getting thread errors and all sorts also)
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 18:34:00 -
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OoC: Buggered up!
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.01.08 18:36:00 -
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Now I know that you are an editor on EG Morkt ;)
Just fun to know who i was sending my stuff to..
I won't be sending stuff anymore, i know enough ;)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 18:47:00 -
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Now I know that you are an editor on EG Morkt ;)
Just fun to know who i was sending my stuff to..
I won't be sending stuff anymore, i know enough ;)
I think you will find Raindrop stated above it was 2 Senators, thanks for letting us know it was you though.
How about an apology... seems you are as accurate as to my connections with EG as you are with your accusations against EG -
that is - fatally flawed.
If you knew anything you would know that Leo Graf is EG Editor, you would also know that I helped set up EG and gave them the MDW info along with other assitence.
Unlike the CFS though I didn't give up what I stand for when I stopped MDW nor when I helped EG get going.
I still hate and detest deliberate attempts by people to destroy the hard work of people who offer the community real news.
And any attempts by morons to destabilise, deliberately, an IC news service is reprehensible. Don't try to disguise a flagrant and totally unsurported false accusation as a bizare attempt to see if I am an EG Editor.
Its patehtically sad and yet another lie.
I suggest you offer up some evidence to support your LIE that EVE Guardian illegally obtained that information or go down in EVE annals as yet another CFS liar.
I also suggest you consider just how many CFS Senators are now handing out information from your senate forums (and elsewhere) because whilst you try to appear clever you are making a bigger and bigger fool of yourself.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 18:55:00 -
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Morkt your a stuck record....
Tal
P.S My agent sends his regards
What goes around comes around...
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:03:00 -
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Morkt your a stuck record....
Tal
P.S My agent sends his regards
Maybe - but thats only because the CFS persist in flogging lies about news services and simply cannot be truthful.
You ahve two Senators openly and flagrantly making up lies and it doesnt bother any of you at all - it is yet anothr indication of how low the CFS has fallen and how little honour, truth and ideals mean to them.
A bit like you "oh so valient" self fighting m0o hard from deep within safe empire space it simply leaves the rest of u more and more convinced of your shallow nature and continuing destruction of the CFS alliance from within.
With every post you and yours fall lower and lower into the mire.
You have two senators making public false accusations and none of you has the courage or honesty to call themt o task. Furthermore you all know and deliberately act to harm EVE Guardian with such lies and it is a service to the community as a whole - and none of you care because you have a fixation on it being the enmy of the CFS.
I'll tell you one thing for free, the only true enemy of the CFS is the sort of hypocrisy and base standards exhibited by Cardassius and Ends and yourself.
Brave on the forums, incapable of actually commiting to the fight, quick with the accusations and lies, incapable of providing evidence.
You fail by your own standards and cannot see it, so blinkered are you.
Your measure ahs been taken, well and truly, and you, Cardassius, Ends and more have all been found wanting.
Enjoy your notoriety as liars, cowards and promoters of hate.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:19:00 -
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and round we go again. And Morkt if i've been found wanting by you... Well thats a compliment.
Cya
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:21:00 -
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Can you from CFS please respond to the accusations and facts being given out freely instead of starting to throw false accusations left and right?
I can only second what Morkt just wrote. The items you accuse us and others for, are only accounted for by yourself. It's called projection, when you transfer your own actions onto others to verify your own act. This time around, none of us others are guilty of anything you state.
Oh. There is always deniability..
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Walsingham
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:22:00 -
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Morkt your a stuck record....
And you betrayed your alliance and left them to die.
Why are you even still posting as a CFS member when you cant even be bothered to defend it?
Cardassius lied. EVE Guardian didn't get anything illegally, it was given to them, freely and openly.
And if "he" hadn't given it to them I would have done.
Just stop the lies Talon, and you cardassius and you Raindrop. Your attitudes and posts here just add to further destroy the CFS. its a LIE, ok. a big fat lie.
Cardassius has NO proof at all nor does anybody in the CFS.
Ok - done, Its over now Morkt OK?
A CFS Seantor with full access to everything that is going onis hereby saying - "Its a lie by CFS, there is nothing to say EVE Guardian did ANYTHING wrong at all, and Cardassius made it all up."
(Some of us still have honour and decency)
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heavyg
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: heavyg on 08/01/2004 19:33:06
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(Some of us still have honour and decency)
But not enough to post as your main
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 19:37:05
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Morkt your a stuck record....
And you betrayed your alliance and left them to die.
Why are you even still posting as a CFS member when you cant even be bothered to defend it?
Cardassius lied. EVE Guardian didn't get anything illegally, it was given to them, freely and openly.
And if "he" hadn't given it to them I would have done.
Just stop the lies Talon, and you cardassius and you Raindrop. Your attitudes and posts here just add to further destroy the CFS. its a LIE, ok. a big fat lie.
Cardassius has NO proof at all nor does anybody in the CFS.
Ok - done, Its over now Morkt OK?
A CFS Seantor with full access to everything that is going onis hereby saying - "Its a lie by CFS, there is nothing to say EVE Guardian did ANYTHING wrong at all, and Cardassius made it all up."
(Some of us still have honour and decency)
You have no honour or you would be posting with your main. CFS is not dead yet if you think so just leave.
Fargas you just sound like a Morkt wannabe get back in your sell Mr president.
Morkt well your just Morkt
Cya
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:40:00 -
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The only thing i could reply would be a repeat and since you don't seem to listen. I won't bother anymore. This thread has done for me.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Walsingham
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:44:00 -
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(Some of us still have honour and decency)
But not enough to post as your main
That's just courage i lack... who can blame me when you see how badly CFS boardwarriors hound others they take a dislike to?
I am not going to fight one man corporations who claim senatorial positions of influence and yet cannot manage to help defend what they claim to support so dearly.
I have spoken the truth and, by god, all of the CFS know it.
Those were LIES told by CFS Seantors and supported herein by CFS Senators.
SENATORS for crying out loud, and they are all lieing and coniving over and over and over in this thread and elsewhere.
Is it any wonder the CFS is a gutted ruin in terms of morals and ideals?
Just loook at them heavyg, look upon our wise Seantors posting and supporting outright lies and false accusation.
Doesn't this all prove the point? Can they not see how shallow they look? heavyg I want some truth and honourput back into the CFS, I'm sick of these liars surrounding us and publically supporting or dodging the truth.
Im sick of them all and I will not give them the opportunity to attack me personally as a way to escape their own shame.
I will not do it.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:47:00 -
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(Some of us still have honour and decency)
But not enough to post as your main
That's just courage i lack... who can blame me when you see how badly CFS boardwarriors hound others they take a dislike to?
I am not going to fight one man corporations who claim senatorial positions of influence and yet cannot manage to help defend what they claim to support so dearly.
I have spoken the truth and, by god, all of the CFS know it.
Those were LIES told by CFS Seantors and supported herein by CFS Senators.
SENATORS for crying out loud, and they are all lieing and coniving over and over and over in this thread and elsewhere.
Is it any wonder the CFS is a gutted ruin in terms of morals and ideals?
Just loook at them heavyg, look upon our wise Seantors posting and supporting outright lies and false accusation.
Doesn't this all prove the point? Can they not see how shallow they look? heavyg I want some truth and honourput back into the CFS, I'm sick of these liars surrounding us and publically supporting or dodging the truth.
Im sick of them all and I will not give them the opportunity to attack me personally as a way to escape their own shame.
I will not do it.
What lies I challenge you mr CFS member to show me proof of any lie I have knowingly written and supported.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Cardassius on 08/01/2004 21:06:09
And unlike others who hide behind their alts and computers i'm someone with honor and dignity.
I don't lie, even IF someone handed it to EG. It's STILL illegal ;) And on request EG should remove such information like ANY other news agency would do ;) If they want to be respected by all parties.
You wanted it to be like real life now you have it ;) YES something CAN ben illegal in EVE!
I'm off to vote ;) cya
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:18:00 -
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I don't lie, even IF someone handed it to EG. It's STILL illegal ;) And on request EG should remove such information like ANY other news agency would do ;) If they want to be respected by all parties.
You wanted it to be like real life now you have it ;) YES something CAN ben illegal in EVE!
I'm off to vote ;) cya
erm so how did things like watergate get out, funny how the press keep publishing lots and lots and lots of sstuff others would like to keep quiet... thena gain perhaps you don't live in a western democracy.... or did i just miss the ideas of free press and such like - or are you talking total rubbish?
Ah yes - you're talking total rubbish.
Feel free to explain to everybody how A CFS Senator giving a news service details of a propsed bill is illegal though. Should be good for a laugh.
And, btw, if its illegal in EVE< then do something about it via the legal system...
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:21:00 -
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A small hint:
If your boss tells you to wait with telling everyone about a document. Would you give this document to CNN?
I think not :) You'll be out of a job and sued to death ;)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:22:00 -
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A small hint:
If your boss tells you to wait with telling everyone about a document. Would you give this document to CNN?
I think not :) You'll be out of a job and sued to death ;)
Erm Cardassius - tht doesnt make it illegal for the Press to PUBLISH it... just makes it risky for the guy who leaks it.
Try again.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:31:00 -
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They can sue the news agency too.
Or make them remove the news from their website.
This kind of information gathering is illegal.
Which in this case hasn't happened. And i think it's just to get more hits on their website.
They also don't post things like exploits that are being used by pirates because they are "unproven" (lol sorry but there is proof enough) but they do post things about alleged
killings by Lord Zap for example.
Now i'm getting those damn homeless...fekking agents..oops i'm not even in CFS space :P
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:43:00 -
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They can sue the news agency too.
Or make them remove the news from their website.
This kind of information gathering is illegal.
Which in this case hasn't happened. And i think it's just to get more hits on their website.
They also don't post things like exploits that are being used by pirates because they are "unproven" (lol sorry but there is proof enough) but they do post things about alleged
killings by Lord Zap for example.
What are you going on about Cardassius? Are you saying EG now print exploits?
Erm.. how..? Where...?
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:57:00 -
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Eh? What the heck are you dribbling about? EVE Guardain are an in-character news service, they arentrun by CCP you nimby. CCP decide whats an exploit.. and why would EG publish a list of exploits even if they were proven?
in-character? hmmm.. how can you be that when you aren't in-game? ;)
So there's no out-game content is there? hmmm..weird i saw some outside content in their newspost..hmmm
:P
I can remember someone mailing me the exact words, to bad my pc crashed and that mail got away :(
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:19:00 -
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The point of it being illegal is NOT the way in which it was gotten. It is incorrect of the Guardian to not only use the information given but to then refuce to remove it at the owners request.
This is just another example of where the game tries to follow real life exmaples but doesnt leave us with the tools to follow it as such.
And I am sorry, but NO ONE can honestly say that Guardian is a neutral website for the betterment of the game. Its a propaganda website that takes game issues and places it own spin on things.
And I have to wonder if Morkt has so much connection with it, then that might have more to do with it then he would like to admit.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:25:00 -
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I don't read Eve Guardian for one simple reason:
It's exactly as factually accurate as the Daily Sport but without the big **** on every other page.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cardassius on 08/01/2004 22:37:56
Thank you Mistress D'Malice for putting it right on the spot ;)
And why does Big Bang Burger have a grudge vs the CFS. We buy stuff from you! Customer is allways king! :P
Oh and Ayane,
I think you mix up things ;) And no my native language isn't english it's my 2nd.
And ooC/ooG, there's no real definition on what they include and what not. And I'm not tempted to go and discuss about this..
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:33:00 -
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The point of it being illegal is NOT the way in which it was gotten. It is incorrect of the Guardian to not only use the information given but to then refuce to remove it at the owners request.
This is just another example of where the game tries to follow real life exmaples but doesnt leave us with the tools to follow it as such.
And I am sorry, but NO ONE can honestly say that Guardian is a neutral website for the betterment of the game. Its a propaganda website that takes game issues and places it own spin on things.
And I have to wonder if Morkt has so much connection with it, then that might have more to do with it then he would like to admit.
oh shush it.
You bother to take notice that the only people who ever complaign about the neutralityof EG are those who it publishes any news on.
Yes, exactly.
And we've all been there with the EVEs inhabitants. There is absolutely nothing wrong in either the way it got the information or in publishing it.
Its what news is.. news.. a proposed bill that stops CFS space being Free Space IS news.
All these alt-postings by pseudo-enraged CFS people are nothing more than angrykids who got caight with their hand in the cookie jar.
So far EG has been biased against every single alliance in the game... pretty good sign thats it unbiased ...
People who think that nothing can be published without it being agreed by the lawyers of whomever it mentions need to get a grip on reality, firstly on how this is a game and secondly on how press works... do we yet again have to go through the same old "of course its opinion its written by a person" spiel evey time the CFS get caught with their pants down?
Be ike Joshua for gods sake, dont read it if you don't like, or go do your own News service, but quit preaching about things you have no clue about.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:39:00 -
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Thank you Mistress D'Malice for putting it right on the spot ;)
And why does Big Bang Burger have a grudge vs the CFS. We buy stuff from you! Customer is allways king! :P
BBBB doesn't, nor do I.
I have a massive grudge against the false CFS though and a monumental grudge agaisnt their deliberate longterm attempts to prove EG is deliberatly anti-CFS.
The CFS ideals of free space are great, unfortunately many of the current senators abandoned those ideals a long time ago.
Every single news service in EVE history has been vilified and attacked for doing nothing other than their job of presenting news with opinion.
Funny how all these prophets of "how it should be done" are incapable of doing it themselves.
Until they do jsut that they are clearly talking about things they have no clue about.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cardassius on 08/01/2004 22:49:59
A Bill is a Bill, and it has to be voted on.
Like at elections, these kind of bills need be voted on by the senate before they are aproved.
So it's not NEWS yet because maybe this bill won't even come through the senate.
- bet they won't post anything about it when the bill doesn't get through :)
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Posted - 2004.01.09 02:22:00 -
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Fargas I know Morkt is anti CFS but what got you started on the hate campaign. Not a flame just wondering.
Tal
I'm not on a hate campaign. I'm out here to speak my mind. I think CFS has acted totally wrong the last couple of weeks. This weeks actions are just too much, and I'm speaking up.
If you call that hate, that's your opinion and I welcome it. I on the other hand share the wrath Walsingham, DigitalCommunist and others feel about the whole situation with CFS.
And this thread, you are the ones sitting on the proof. Your only comment (so far) has been silence and that it's not worthy your presence. Sorry for jumping on such opportunities when i want the truth, and honestly my faith in CFS have been shattered.
And I might have a couple ideas that would save you from the current situation, but it's too late now ain't it?
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