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Jaedar Metron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.23 09:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Jaedar Metron on 23/05/2007 09:42:08 So here I am again, asking for setups... I know this probably belongs in the ships section, but I reckon you guys here have more experience pirating than most of the ones in the ships forum Anyhow, I know Caldari suck solo, but I like Caldari ships, please dont tell me to train for a Thorax All that out of the way, how can I setup my Caracal for some nice lowsec solo piracy? My targets will be Cruisers/Battlecruisers that rats in lowsec. All setups that can handle this are welcome, HAM, hulltanking, ewar, you name it. It needs to be cheap though, as I intend to die alot Thanks alot -JM
valerydarcy Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.05.23 09:54:00 - [2] well, youll certainly die a lot, no doubt. and tbh, you die 99% of the time if you use a cheap setup, the only way you can expect to win a few fights is if you use a decent t2 setup. secondly, going after battlecruisers in a caracal is a little optimistic, unless theyre month old characters in shield tanking prophecies. for your caracal, try 5 hvy launchers with kin missiles, 20k scram, web, shield booster, 2 invuln fields, bcu, dmg ctrl. this is rly basic setup that will give you probably the happiest medium to be found on a caracal between dmg and tank. but like i said, if you want any real results, you going to want all that in t2, and maybe consider adding some rigs, such as an em & therm and a rof or something. on another note, i recommend you try using a moa if you have a decent ammount of caldari skills- a properly fitted moa will tear a caracal to **** in about 15 seconds.
Davey Oaks Minmatar Original Pirating Material	Posted - 2007.05.23 09:54:00 - [3] I saw a video of some one in a caracal in 0.0 and killed a lachesis and a munin which i thought was pretty good. Setup was somethign along the lines of 5x standard launchers 2x large shield extenders, 10mn ab, web, warp disruptor 2x spr some drones. orbit gun ships and hope for the best
Rez Valintine Caldari HeXXeD	Posted - 2007.05.23 10:57:00 - [4] 5 launchers (best you can afford) 2x Multi Jammers, Warp Disruptor, Shield Extender, Shield Booster any combo of SPR / BCU's This has worked wonders for 1 v 1. I also have a cloak though - so I can pick my targets.
Kermis Caldari Cryo Crypt inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 10:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Davey Oaks I saw a video of some one in a caracal in 0.0 and killed a lachesis and a munin which i thought was pretty good. Setup was somethign along the lines of 5x standard launchers 2x large shield extenders, 10mn ab, web, warp disruptor 2x spr some drones. orbit gun ships and hope for the best
MaxSkywalker x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:08:00 - [6] Try something like heavy missiles, mwd and a lot of sensor damps.. and just stay at 20 km range.. - I live of government cheese!
Rez Valintine Caldari HeXXeD	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:13:00 - [7] Wouldn't the just warp away with a setup like that?
valerydarcy Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:19:00 - [8] They probably wouldnt have, but now that youve given it away everyone will. WELL DONE.
Rez Valintine Caldari HeXXeD	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:21:00 - [9] Originally by: valerydarcy They probably wouldnt have, but now that youve given it away everyone will. WELL DONE. Damnit
MaxSkywalker x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:28:00 - [10] I see a warp scrambler / disruptor as a natural thing that doesnt even have to be mentioned when it comes to pirate setups.. - I live of government cheese!
Jadiin Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:31:00 - [11] Don't use the caracel unless you're intending to attack nooby cruisers or frigs. You're wasting your time and definitely will waste your money. In a group they can be useful but solo don't bother. Get yourself a moa slap on some blasters, T2 if you can and go from there.
Pe'ter	Posted - 2007.05.23 11:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Jadiin Don't use the caracel unless you're intending to attack nooby cruisers or frigs. You're wasting your time and definitely will waste your money. In a group they can be useful but solo don't bother. Get yourself a moa slap on some blasters, T2 if you can and go from there. /signed
zram Wild Coyotes On Acid	Posted - 2007.05.23 12:41:00 - [13] I have been using one lately for anti frig, af, and inty. it does not stand a chance against anything bigger, but i have not lost a fight against any af or inty. I do change the set up a bit but mostly either 1 or 2 HAM IIs and rest assault missile launchers. i usually just fit an extender and booster since I try to stay away from anything bigger. web scram and i change the last mid around depending on my mood. Its an underestimated ship. Usually these small ships will come looking for you b/c they think your an easy target (set up for low sec rats). If you have paticience im sure youll shock a few people.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.23 13:10:00 - [14] I used an ecm caracal back in the day but these days it lacks the lows to armor tank and lack the mids to tackle and tank. add to that low dps and the caracal really struggles solo. however a few of us did kill a caracal recently with full t2 gear alongside a gisti booster and hardener setup which tanked surprisingly well before popping reckon he thought it was a cerb tho DE
jizzmonkey	Posted - 2007.05.23 13:18:00 - [15] i know its cheap, but damps. mwd, disruptor, 2 damps and cap mod?injector if u can fit obviously dmg and speed in lows, heavies in hi's? u just can get a viable tank while tackling in this thing, 1v1, this should take out a nice few, but again, damps are a bit cheap :P
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.05.23 13:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Jaedar Metron All that out of the way, how can I setup my Caracal for some nice lowsec solo piracy? I tried this a while ago with all tech I unnamed fittings. If you know how to pick your battles (directional scanner etc.) it kinda works. The beauty is that the Caracal prices are low enough so that when you loose a ship you can cover insurancy policy and sometimes even part of your modules. I lost less per Caracal than I loose with a certain tech I-fit Pirate's darling frig. But you will prolly still die a lot. These days I am using frigs again despite loosing slightly more ISK per ship, since the higher speed and allign speed gives more survivability. And yeah, I train for a Thorax, too -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.23 13:24:00 - [17] Originally by: ****monkey i know its cheap, but damps. mwd, disruptor, 2 damps and cap mod?injector if u can fit obviously dmg and speed in lows, heavies in hi's? u just can get a viable tank while tackling in this thing, 1v1, this should take out a nice few, but again, damps are a bit cheap :P see that's the only decet viable solo setup i can think of off the top of my head. But. to damp a target below locking range will require some good damps and very good skills with only 2. Plus u will need a cap injector or cap will run out very quickly and with that i doubt u can even fit smaller launchers. train for a crow DE
Darcy Killar Gallente Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:08:00 - [18] 5x Heavies 1x 24km warp disruptor (cheap these days) 3x Sensor damps (good named ones) 1x MWD 2x BCU (you will need the damage to break a lot of tanks) This is the best solo I can come up with. You need to dictate range, so you may need to change a Sensor booster out for a cap injector. Try it out, see how you like it. Avoid faster ships, such as the Thorax and assault frigs/interceptors. About me! Darkness Inc. Recruitment!
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:09:00 - [19] problem with caracal is that if someone just looks at you funny you'll explode. Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Join channel KLEPTO for info.
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:11:00 - [20] Originally by: tiller problem with caracal is that if someone just looks at you funny you'll explode. Not as quick as if you were in a Cormorant. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
jimmyjam Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:17:00 - [21] I will admit the caracal is not the best pirate ship, i would use this with a few dudes.Hi,s heavy launchers Mids,shield ext t2 and a few hardners and a point. For the lo,s i would use a few t2 bcus.For tactics i would have a small gang, have a few guys do only em, and thermal and some exp,then the rest useing kin,Then just roll into the belt have 3 or 4 carcals all sending hail of missles and pwn the target.
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 15:41:00 - [22] Edited by: Valandril on 23/05/2007 15:41:14 Edited by: Valandril on 23/05/2007 15:39:08 Originally by: Darcy Killar 5x Heavies 1x 24km warp disruptor (cheap these days) 3x Sensor damps (good named ones) 1x MWD 2x BCU (you will need the damage to break a lot of tanks) This is the best solo I can come up with. You need to dictate range, so you may need to change a Sensor booster out for a cap injector. Try it out, see how you like it. Avoid faster ships, such as the Thorax and assault frigs/interceptors. Any half-decent pilot will outmanuver you. Quote: I will admit the caracal is not the best pirate ship, i would use this with a few dudes.Hi,s heavy launchers Mids,shield ext t2 and a few hardners and a point. For the lo,s i would use a few t2 bcus.For tactics i would have a small gang, have a few guys do only em, and thermal and some exp,then the rest useing kin,Then just roll into the belt have 3 or 4 carcals all sending hail of missles and pwn the target.Very Happy It remind me funny story, Raven + gall ceptor + caracal vs platerax, platerax won and raven managed to run away . --- Cheap paint ftw
Nymos Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:20:00 - [23] Originally by: DarkElf I used an ecm caracal back in the day but these days it lacks the lows to armor tank and lack the mids to tackle and tank. add to that low dps and the caracal really struggles solo. however a few of us did kill a caracal recently with full t2 gear alongside a gisti booster and hardener setup which tanked surprisingly well before popping reckon he thought it was a cerb tho DE it must have been one of those "navy caracals" they sell in jita -- Every time a carebear dies an angel gets their wings (murder one)
SuperChunk Caldari Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Rez Valintine 5 launchers (best you can afford) 2x Multi Jammers, Warp Disruptor, Shield Extender, Shield Booster any combo of SPR / BCU's This has worked wonders for 1 v 1. I also have a cloak though - so I can pick my targets. so you actually on have 4 launchers if you use a cloak....
Darcy Killar Gallente Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:14:00 - [25] Edited by: Darcy Killar on 23/05/2007 20:12:05 Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 23/05/2007 15:41:14 Edited by: Valandril on 23/05/2007 15:39:08 Originally by: Darcy Killar 5x Heavies 1x 24km warp disruptor (cheap these days) 3x Sensor damps (good named ones) 1x MWD 2x BCU (you will need the damage to break a lot of tanks) This is the best solo I can come up with. You need to dictate range, so you may need to change a Sensor booster out for a cap injector. Try it out, see how you like it. Avoid faster ships, such as the Thorax and assault frigs/interceptors. Any half-decent pilot will outmanuver you. I agree. I do not believe the Caracal is a good PvP ship and only ever fly one (on my other char) as a suicide ganker against shuttles. However, I answered the OPÆs question to the best of my ability. Typically I would say, get a Vexor or Thorax but he specifically asked not for that kind of response. I do suggest looking into the Moa as mentioned above however. About me! Darkness Inc. Recruitment!
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:19:00 - [26] Caracal is a ranged gang support ship with good dps and a glass jaw, imo. Try a Moa, as someone else said before. Try to ignore the utter hideousness of it's appearance.
General Coochie Gallente The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Darcy Killar 5x Heavies 1x 24km warp disruptor (cheap these days) 3x Sensor damps (good named ones) 1x MWD 2x BCU (you will need the damage to break a lot of tanks) This is the best solo I can come up with. You need to dictate range, so you may need to change a Sensor booster out for a cap injector. Try it out, see how you like it. Avoid faster ships, such as the Thorax and assault frigs/interceptors. cap would run dry pretty quick with that setup. damps suck alot of cap, not to mention the mwd while trying to dictate range.
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 21:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Soporo Caracal is a ranged gang support ship with good dps and a glass jaw, imo. 150dps is not good. At least not for a cruiser. --- Cheap paint ftw
valerydarcy Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.05.23 22:10:00 - [29] its crap, but i dont think that was every disputed, not meant to be the purpose of this topic. the idea was to establish the best way to fit a caracal for pvp. i used a moa for nrly a year in solo pvp- i knew it was **** in comparison to some other ships, but the skill is in making good of a crap thing.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.23 22:17:00 - [30] You can pirate in any ship, these pirates are just too scared to play things on hard mode.

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