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wtwtf
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Posted - 2007.05.25 20:57:00 -
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its also possible to ninja steal - but it requires a fast stable connection and areally wierd screen - try to warp to the tower from the direction that wil land you closest to the ship before the bouncerclick board as fast as possible and hopefuly you board the ship before the bounce takes effect
always dock it in the maintenacnce array - or at a deep safe - my ratting raven and my fleet ships are kept in maintennce hangars unless im using them, for which i log off inside them at a deep safe
alt post for obv reasons
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franny
Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.26 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: dodgeydan Edited by: dodgeydan on 24/05/2007 23:45:40 Its not an exploit and at the end of this video it shows you how i managed to steal some battleships from POS's : http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/0701/MeetingTheNeigbors.wmv
that was a fun bit you guys made life intresting at times I could actually play... made life in my helios intresting, trying to catch you guys paused for more than 2 seconds at a safe(I did break one, but the gits warped in early )
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Sheila Chandra
Marquie-X Corp The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.26 14:53:00 -
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Its not outside the POS, its outside the ship array. And the sense on this should be clear. Its very very frustrating and time intensive building a fleet when 30 people need to get their ship out of an array and 10 need to change something on fitting.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.26 16:32:00 -
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Bah, most often I find in these situations, you've let someone into your POS who wasn't in your corp. Maybe you had a mixed gang fighting a third party and you let them in your shields for protection.
Or maybe its just someone in your corp. Anyway, usually this person gives the password to yet another party.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Krysta Gemme
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Posted - 2007.05.27 08:15:00 -
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How is this an exploit? So what if the point of a POS is to keep things safe?
The point of a bank vault is to keep money safe from theives, but banks DO get robbed now don't they?
This is a game with a criminal element. You can't cry about every freakin' attempt at thievery. It's a player based game. I came to Eve thinking the players here had the nuts to realise this is a player based game in a player based world with player based threats.
Thievery, Scam, Cons and Theft come into play here, much like it does in real life.
You can't have your car jacked in real life and petition God to give it back to you. Sometimes your luck is bad. In this case these guys did a tactic that succeeded and stole from you successfully. You lost in a player vs player encounter where the damage was not your destruction but the thievery of your equipment.
People seem to misunderstand PvP in today's MMO's. If someone convinced you into putting money into a Bank asset in order to gain interest and it turned out to be a scam, then guess what...? You got P V P'd.
Just getting tired of stuff like this being considered an 'exploit'. I hear the word "exploit" left and right in this game.
You would think this is WoW or something.
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.27 10:53:00 -
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probably did a bumpty or ninja steal (not sure if ninja steal works though)
but then you should never park your ship at POS. (Unless you absolutely have to, because of station camp) --------------------------------------
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Cruthensis
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Posted - 2007.05.27 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Cruthensis on 27/05/2007 11:31:29 Edited by: Cruthensis on 27/05/2007 11:30:28 I think part of the argument for/against such theft being possible is related to the stated intention, capability and functionality of an item within the game.
If you bought say, an afterburner (but this works with any item obviously), from the market. You read the specs and it's clear to you that your top speed should go from X upto Y, but in fact it falls short of Y for some unknown reason, you would be rightly a bit underwhelmed with the product. It would not have performed in line with its stated capability.
In this instance, are POS sheilds stated (by CCP I suppose) to be able to prevent removal of ships by any means? Is such a capability strongly implied? I don't know. If that were the case, any successful theft could reasonably be called an exploit. If not, bad luck.
My personal feeling would be that a POS is an expensive and time consuming purchase and that a ship (used to commit the theft) is not. In light of that, I can't really imagine that 'bumping' or warp manipulation are really intended as security holes in what is a substantial investment. You paid good money for an item that should guard against theft such as that.
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Nigel
Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2007.05.27 12:42:00 -
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We stole a Dreadnaught buy bumping it out of a POS that had no shield password assigned. Yaaaarrrrrr
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MegabitOne
Caldari The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.07.21 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: AegriSomnia
Originally by: MegabitOne
Do you eject from your ship just outside a 'normal' station, expecting no one will steal it? No? Then why do you expect you can do that with a POS?
Obviously you have NO CLUE the difference between a POS and a "normal station". Let me ask you, is there a password protected force field around a "noraml station"? Do you get shot at if you are not of the same corp as the "normal station"? Do you have to pay in the form of minerals in upkeep to have access to a "normal station"? Do YOU let just anyone have access to your POS? Thats probably why we "expected" to do it. We figured it was secure. A POS and a normal station have NOTHING IN COMMON. Once you can afford a POS you will be able to figure that out for yourself, instead of making weak argurments. Really, out of all the posts I've EVER been involved with; from Drake nerfs to pirating, you take the cake for the most asinine post. Good work.
Originally by: MegabitOne
If you want to leave your ship in a station, you dock in the station. If you want to leave your ship in a POS, you dock in the POS. Simple as... Never heard of a Ship Maintenance Array? That's where you put your ships, not leave 'm floating around in the POS sphere.
Its so obvious the people that read the OP and nothing else. Try reading the rest of my posts, mmmk? Being as it is that you get PWNed by a POS if you are within about 250 km or so, we never expected this exploit to exist. Never thought that a guy who could pilot a cap ship would waste his time "POS bowling". But like I said, you live and learn. I PERSONALLY wouldn't EVER park my ships anywhere but a station.
One more quick note. Again pointing out how you probably dont know much about POS's. You can park anything in a ship maintenance array if there is something in the cargo hold. Do you carry around extra ammo? I dont really know for sure, you might not.
You must have misread something in my post. I was pointing out the difference between a station and a pos to show you that what you don't do at a station, you shouldn't do at a pos either. You don't leave your ship floating in space outside a station, right? Then why are you so stupid to leave it outside a pos? As you pointed out yourself: you can dock your ship in the ship maintenance hangar of the pos. And as you pointed out too, you should empty your cargo hold before doing so.
Seems like you know perfectly what to do: - empty your cargo hold into the pos's hangars - dock your ship in maintenance hangar
It's worrying that you know what to do but didn't do it . After all, me not knowing the difference between a pos and a station (dixit you) has up until now never lost a ship secured in a pos, where as the know-it-all you has! Who's the noob then? Only you are to blame for your loss... --- I'm not as bad-ass as some of my corp mates, but I'll pwn you anyway!
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Haxar
The Usual Targets
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Posted - 2007.07.21 12:07:00 -
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This thread is so May.
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Goewyn Ravenclaw
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.07.21 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Haxar This thread is so May.
might say i'm easily amused but laughing at this caused beer to hit the screen ______________________________ A closed mouth inserts no foot
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Ryan Darkwolf
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.07.21 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lakedaimon
Quote: This is a game, on a computer with pixels and stuff BUT still based on somewhat possible future and created as realistic as possible to reflect that. There is always the problem in getting the reality programmed.
Actually, EVE is not very realistic at all. Citing realism as an argument in a spaceship game with non-newtonian combat and ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here.
Quote of teh month (bith out together=somehwta funny ----------------------------------------------- Citing realism as an argument in a spaceship game with non-newtonian combat and ships that can fly through planets really doesn't make a whole lot of |
Malcore Trisus
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.21 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 21/07/2007 22:57:46 Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 21/07/2007 22:57:00
Originally by: MegabitOne
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Originally by: MegabitOne Only you are to blame for your loss...
Actually, CCPs failure to prevent exploitation of the bumping mechanics with POS shields despite patch notes claiming they had fixed it, combined with inconsistent GM responses are the likely culprits.
But hey, why bother necroing an irrelevant and dated thread about it?
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Ironnight
Caldari x13
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Posted - 2007.07.21 23:09:00 -
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Didnt they fix the bowling issue? I think I saw a dev blog where they said it was now an exploit.
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Doctor Serious
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Posted - 2007.07.21 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Serious on 21/07/2007 23:35:54
Originally by: MegabitOne
It is not an exploit. It's being careless of your ship as a pilot. Do you eject from your ship just outside a 'normal' station, expecting no one will steal it? No? Then why do you expect you can do that with a POS?
Don't be a choad. He ejected from his ship inside a MASSIVE ENERGY SHIELD designed to keep people out. Why would you want to keep people out? So that they don't take your stuff. Thus, that they can take your stuff from outside the shield (regardless of how they do it), is not something you can blame them for. Preventing that from happening is a responsibility of the game mechanics, and the game mechanics are the responsibility of the game developer.
Quote: Simple as... Never heard of a Ship Maintenance Array? That's where you put your ships, not leave 'm floating around in the POS sphere.
Again, don't be a choad. What is the POS sphere meant to do? I think we can agree it's meant to protect the POS and its assets. Therefore trying to make this his fault is pretty damned ******** on your part.
edit: ^^ wow. I can't say stupid?
Quote: But there's an even more stupid third trick: if a corp mate also flies to the POS and accidentally bumps the ship while manoeuvering, the ship might start to drift... And once outside the sphere, we're back to the discussion above: do you want your ship floating unmanned in space? ;-)
So if the inside of the POS sphere ridiculously cluttered, that could be their fault. I doubt you can reasonably say that every one of his three or four ships being stolen was due to this clutter, given that there were only three or four ships and that doesn't amount to clutter.
Whether it's a good idea to leave your ship parked in space isn't the question. The question is whether POS assets should be allowed to be stolen when protected within the POS shields.
If I could somehow board your corporate hangar array and fly it away, I doubt you'd blame yourself.
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Doctor Serious
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Posted - 2007.07.21 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Belenkas
The problem arises when you need to store ship in 0.0 and closest station is quite some jumps away :) But then again, there always is Ship Maintenance Array, which works all the time, until POS goes poof(yea even in reinfoced it does work). So we just tend to bowl floating friendly ships OUT of POS intentionally so that people learn next time :)
You people can't be serious.
What _should_ happen is your capital ship should go up in a fireball when it strikes the unyielding energy shield protecting a pos. Maybe causing some trivial damage to the shield in the process. No way in hell should your ship be able to penetrate that shield when your weapons fire won't.
But I guess if you want to make your existence about reminding people that exploits exist, and how badly they **** up your fun and sense of immersion with the game, then mission accomplished pal!
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Doctor Serious
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Posted - 2007.07.21 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Krysta Gemme How is this an exploit? So what if the point of a POS is to keep things safe?
The point of a bank vault is to keep money safe from theives, but banks DO get robbed now don't they?
Why even have shields at all? Or POSes for that matter?
You people are really lowering my opinion of the human race here.
Quote: This is a game with a criminal element. You can't cry about every freakin' attempt at thievery. It's a player based game.
Metagame-involved crime is weak and so is your argument.
They need to put a warp bubble effect on the edge of the POS shield. That would be the easiest way I can think of to make things work they way they should.
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Zion Zan'threxian
Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.07.22 00:30:00 -
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Perhaps it wasn't "stolen" per se. You're a member of a rather large alliance (friends of ours at that) but if the POS is set to alliance wide entrance to the shield, ANYONE in the alliance can take it. An alliance the size of GS is bound to have some asshats.
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Capt Rob
Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.22 00:39:00 -
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i dunno when this occured, but maby you lot just forgot to put a pw on ur pos shield and he just came in?, iv stolen quite a few ships through this manner.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2007.07.22 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lakedaimon ...ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here.
Actually I've been talking it over with some friends and theory of physics states that at the speed the ship is moving en-warp, you'd actually move the particles of whatever mass you're moving through and leave it undamaged because of the speed. This is, ofcourse, theory.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2007.07.23 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
Originally by: Lakedaimon ...ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here.
Actually I've been talking it over with some friends and theory of physics states that at the speed the ship is moving en-warp, you'd actually move the particles of whatever mass you're moving through and leave it undamaged because of the speed. This is, ofcourse, theory.
Err, since we don't actually have warp theory, I'll have to disagree with you on this
Anyhoo, necroing is bad, to whomever cast a resurrection on this thread.
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Le Bon
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Le Bon on 23/07/2007 12:48:28 isn't it no longer possible to bump ships out of a shield...
Also sounds like a case of "Poorly setup POS" Pos passwords anyone?
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spudnick225
Darke Legion Slammer's Republic
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:17:00 -
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It's actualey quite easy done it a few times never lost a ship though. I used my buzzard and was probing for parked ships saw a manti next to a pos structure left ship in space warped to the probe result hit board ship real quick and the shield kicks you out around 23km/s which btw is a hella speed tank :P docked and there you have it a stolen ship.
and ship parked in space if fair game espically freighters filled with rare ore and Bpo's with research on it thanks guy for that 4 billion pay day Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Igus
Green Gecko Inc. Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 16:08:00 -
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FFS remove the ability to post to threads more than a month since there last post.
God **** Necros
-- Uhg, I think I need a flux capacitor
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Aldus Extremis
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Posted - 2007.07.23 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
Originally by: Lakedaimon ...ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here.
Actually I've been talking it over with some friends and theory of physics states that at the speed the ship is moving en-warp, you'd actually move the particles of whatever mass you're moving through and leave it undamaged because of the speed. This is, ofcourse, theory.
Talk to your friends some more. Light is affected by gravity wells. So would ships at any speed.
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xenodia
Gallente Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.07.23 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dungheap and yes, it's legal...
Actually its not. CCP posted a news item a few weeks ago that "POS Bowling" was now concidered an exploit. Funny thing was that announcement was less than 48 hours after a previous announcement saying it wasnt.
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Jason Hawke
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.23 19:34:00 -
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I stole me a domi outside a station in Funt... I have no idea why it was abandoned.. but I didn't complain either.. my first BS.
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.23 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: xenodia
Originally by: Dungheap and yes, it's legal...
Actually its not. CCP posted a news item a few weeks ago that "POS Bowling" was now concidered an exploit. Funny thing was that announcement was less than 48 hours after a previous announcement saying it wasnt.
It wasn't an exploit at the time of that post.
And leave the dead thread alone please, it's not harry potter.
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