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AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:30:00 - [1] Someone please explain how this is possible. We had several ships parked inside our shields at one of our POS locations. One of our corpies gets a EVEmail from the insurance company, denying his claim on his Gallente BC, because he was not the owner of the ship at the time of destruction. "WTF", he says and heads down to the POS where this particular ship was parked. Much to his chagrin, he spys a wreck just outside of the POS shield. Its his ship. He alerts his fellow corpies, including me, and we begin to take inventory. 3 ships missing. 1 Gallente BC (destroyed by our POS), 1 Caldari BS and an Gallente AF. The killmail from the POS identifies the individual (who shall remain nameless), and we begin to put the pieces of the event together. It seems that this individual entered our POS, somehow, and took off in the BC. Once he exited or was kicked out of the POS, the guns opened up and popped the Gallente BC. Poorly executed strike by the pirate or he couldn't use the mods to tank the sentries before warp. So he tries again. This time he picks the BS. Bigger tank, different tank that maybe he could use, and this time he gets away with the ship. He comes back for the Gallente AF and makes it out with that one too. One thoery is that he "bumped" the ships out. The theory that seems to be sticking is the one I layed out above. Has anyone actually done this before and could explain how it worked? Or have you been a victim of it and have more info? Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:31:00 - [2] More than likely they used a capital ship to bump the ships out. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:36:00 - [3] and yes, it's legal...
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Dungheap and yes, it's legal... Well, I dont deny that. I am a Constitutionalist, which means, I believe if its not expressly prohibited by word of law, then it is legal. But that doesn't mean its not an exploit. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:58:00 - [5] BUUUUMPED and boarded or someone had the password
Kruel Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:03:00 - [6] POS bowling with Capitals. If I had a carrier I'd be doing it too. Bad game design TBH.
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Kruel POS bowling with Capitals. If I had a carrier I'd be doing it too. Bad game design TBH. Unless pos is not fitted at all for combat, u need supercapital because of scrambling/webbing --- Cheap paint ftw
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: Kruel POS bowling with Capitals. If I had a carrier I'd be doing it too. Bad game design TBH. Unless pos is not fitted at all for combat, u need supercapital because of scrambling/webbing Or you can just turn on your tank, then quit the game. 15 minutes later, you log in and quit rapidly a few times. That should get you loose of the POS. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:30:00 - [9] Not sure if this is the case, but if a ship is within boarding range (6500m?) of the edge of the shield, it can be boarded by a pod that is right on the shield. Maybe this has been changed recently, but in the past I have actually tested this and it was the case. -=^=-
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:39:00 - [10] Edited by: AegriSomnia on 23/05/2007 19:39:21 Originally by: Billy Sastard Not sure if this is the case, but if a ship is within boarding range (6500m?) of the edge of the shield, it can be boarded by a pod that is right on the shield. Maybe this has been changed recently, but in the past I have actually tested this and it was the case. This could be the winner. I saw the ships the night before they were stolen, and they were a bit too close to the edge of the shield, imo. The cap ship thing never came up in our discussions. Stupid noobs EDIT: We contacted the CEO of the offenders corp, they are probably in the top 5 corps in the galaxy, and he wasnt too happy. It was just an FYI, we didnt complain or flame or send hate, just wanted him to know what his corpies were up to. Anyway, I figure the cap ship technique needs a few people involved? This individual acted alone. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:10:00 - [11] Originally by: AegriSomnia EDIT: We contacted the CEO of the offenders corp, they are probably in the top 5 corps in the galaxy, and he wasnt too happy. It was just an FYI, we didnt complain or flame or send hate, just wanted him to know what his corpies were up to. Anyway, I figure the cap ship technique needs a few people involved? This individual acted alone. Why would the CEO care? I dont see any unethical or exploit action.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Dr Cron Originally by: AegriSomnia EDIT: We contacted the CEO of the offenders corp, they are probably in the top 5 corps in the galaxy, and he wasnt too happy. It was just an FYI, we didnt complain or flame or send hate, just wanted him to know what his corpies were up to. Anyway, I figure the cap ship technique needs a few people involved? This individual acted alone. Why would the CEO care? I dont see any unethical or exploit action. They have a reputation to uphold. If someone in my corp did this, we would make him/her give the ship back. And it is an exploit, BTW. It absolutley is an exploit. You shouldn't be able to steal ships out of a POS. The point of a POS it to have protected space in low sec, where you can setup various arrays to hld cargo or refine or whatever. It goes against the basic principle of having a POS to allow people that do not have access to access items in the POS while the shields are up, the autocannons are active, and the password is properly set, be it by cap. ship or boarding from just outside the shield. Therefore, by definition, it is an exploit. That being said, since it is not PROHIBITED by CCP, then this exploit is fair play. Its like the scrum for a loose football. A lot of rules go out the window at the bottom fo that pile. Is it typically OK to grab a guys balls and squeeze? I think not. But, at the bottom of the scrum, its OK. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:34:00 - [13] Originally by: AegriSomnia Originally by: Dr Cron Originally by: AegriSomnia EDIT: We contacted the CEO of the offenders corp, they are probably in the top 5 corps in the galaxy, and he wasnt too happy. It was just an FYI, we didnt complain or flame or send hate, just wanted him to know what his corpies were up to. Anyway, I figure the cap ship technique needs a few people involved? This individual acted alone. Why would the CEO care? I dont see any unethical or exploit action. They have a reputation to uphold. If someone in my corp did this, we would make him/her give the ship back. And it is an exploit, BTW. It absolutley is an exploit. You shouldn't be able to steal ships out of a POS. The point of a POS it to have protected space in low sec, where you can setup various arrays to hld cargo or refine or whatever. It goes against the basic principle of having a POS to allow people that do not have access to access items in the POS while the shields are up, the autocannons are active, and the password is properly set, be it by cap. ship or boarding from just outside the shield. Therefore, by definition, it is an exploit. That being said, since it is not PROHIBITED by CCP, then this exploit is fair play. Its like the scrum for a loose football. A lot of rules go out the window at the bottom fo that pile. Is it typically OK to grab a guys balls and squeeze? I think not. But, at the bottom of the scrum, its OK. If you say so. Or you could take some responsibility and park the ships in a hangar thing or move em away from the shield considering this feature/bug/exploit/whatever exists.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Dr Cron If you say so. Or you could take some responsibility and park the ships in a hangar thing or move em away from the shield considering this feature/bug/exploit/whatever exists. We just chalked it up to xp. Like I said, we didn't demand anything from the offender's corp, it was just an FYI. TBH, we had no idea that this was even possible! So, from here on out we are being MUCH more careful about where we leave unattended ships. Personally, I never park a ship anywhere but in a station. Even a POS can get blowed up! Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.23 21:01:00 - [15] And you just get banned for doing it, wonderful how that works, huh?
Kruel Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.05.23 21:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Billy Sastard Not sure if this is the case, but if a ship is within boarding range (6500m?) of the edge of the shield, it can be boarded by a pod that is right on the shield. Maybe this has been changed recently, but in the past I have actually tested this and it was the case. I tried that a long time ago... didn't work. Btw, I've warped inside a POS with my Domi before and that sucker launched me pretty far. I'm not sure what web range is on POS's, but I was probably about 50k away before it started shooting me.
MegabitOne Caldari The Black Ops	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:15:00 - [17] Originally by: AegriSomnia And it is an exploit, BTW. It absolutley is an exploit. You shouldn't be able to steal ships out of a POS. The point of a POS it to have protected space in low sec, where you can setup various arrays to hld cargo or refine or whatever. It goes against the basic principle of having a POS to allow people that do not have access to access items in the POS while the shields are up, the autocannons are active, and the password is properly set, be it by cap. ship or boarding from just outside the shield. Therefore, by definition, it is an exploit. It is not an exploit. It's being careless of your ship as a pilot. Do you eject from your ship just outside a 'normal' station, expecting no one will steal it? No? Then why do you expect you can do that with a POS? If you want to leave your ship in a station, you dock in the station. If you want to leave your ship in a POS, you dock in the POS. Simple as... Never heard of a Ship Maintenance Array? That's where you put your ships, not leave 'm floating around in the POS sphere. The 'boarding' trick might work, the cap ship trick might work too. But there's an even more stupid third trick: if a corp mate also flies to the POS and accidentally bumps the ship while manoeuvering, the ship might start to drift... And once outside the sphere, we're back to the discussion above: do you want your ship floating unmanned in space? ;-) --- I'm not as bad-ass as some of my corp mates, but I'll pwn you anyway! -= In God we trust, all the others pay cash =-
SFShootme The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:40:00 - [18] trying to board stuff while it's inside of a pos and u dun have the password will result in: Notify You cannot do that as the SHIP is not within your reach, inside a force field you are unable to penetrate. Tho shall give Life, for Life.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:45:00 - [19] Originally by: MegabitOne Do you eject from your ship just outside a 'normal' station, expecting no one will steal it? No? Then why do you expect you can do that with a POS? Obviously you have NO CLUE the difference between a POS and a "normal station". Let me ask you, is there a password protected force field around a "noraml station"? Do you get shot at if you are not of the same corp as the "normal station"? Do you have to pay in the form of minerals in upkeep to have access to a "normal station"? Do YOU let just anyone have access to your POS? Thats probably why we "expected" to do it. We figured it was secure. A POS and a normal station have NOTHING IN COMMON. Once you can afford a POS you will be able to figure that out for yourself, instead of making weak argurments. Really, out of all the posts I've EVER been involved with; from Drake nerfs to pirating, you take the cake for the most asinine post. Good work. Originally by: MegabitOne If you want to leave your ship in a station, you dock in the station. If you want to leave your ship in a POS, you dock in the POS. Simple as... Never heard of a Ship Maintenance Array? That's where you put your ships, not leave 'm floating around in the POS sphere. Its so obvious the people that read the OP and nothing else. Try reading the rest of my posts, mmmk? Being as it is that you get PWNed by a POS if you are within about 250 km or so, we never expected this exploit to exist. Never thought that a guy who could pilot a cap ship would waste his time "POS bowling". But like I said, you live and learn. I PERSONALLY wouldn't EVER park my ships anywhere but a station. One more quick note. Again pointing out how you probably dont know much about POS's. You can park anything in a ship maintenance array if there is something in the cargo hold. Do you carry around extra ammo? I dont really know for sure, you might not. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Belenkas	Posted - 2007.05.24 17:03:00 - [20] Originally by: AegriSomnia I PERSONALLY wouldn't EVER park my ships anywhere but a station. The problem arises when you need to store ship in 0.0 and closest station is quite some jumps away :) But then again, there always is Ship Maintenance Array, which works all the time, until POS goes poof(yea even in reinfoced it does work). So we just tend to bowl floating friendly ships OUT of POS intentionally so that people learn next time :) You can logout in your ship in the worst place if you dont have time to store the ship or some sucker is AFK near it, why would you leave unmanned ship outside... It's just plain illogical. The problem can only arise if you need to store capitals...

Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:41:00 - [21] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 24/05/2007 21:40:58 If you bookmark somoenes Control tower and warp a big capital ship to 0 you'll warp right on top of the station and the game will shoot you outside the shield at like 30km/s (i dont know the number but its realy fast). If the cap ship happens to hit an unpiloted ship that ship will get bumbed but because there is no pilot it will NEVER STOP MOVING. Even if its only goin 20 m/s all they had to do is wait for it to exit the shield and steal it. Answer = dock your ships you care about in a corp hangar. Technically once you eject from a ship you nolonger own it so CCP will never refund any ship that was taken after you eject, no matter the reason. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
dodgeydan Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:46:00 - [22] Edited by: dodgeydan on 24/05/2007 23:45:40 Its not an exploit and at the end of this video it shows you how i managed to steal some battleships from POS's : http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/0701/MeetingTheNeigbors.wmv :)
Requiescat	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Derovius Vaden And you just get banned for doing it, wonderful how that works, huh? You really need to post with your main, jackass. If you're just going to troll C+P and flame everyone, grow some stones and do it with your main. --=-- I turned off "show corp/alliance" because, to be frank, I'm ashamed of them. They'll be turned back on when I'm somewhere more suitable for someone of my talents.
Tecro Nashota Inako Industries	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:35:00 - [24] Rubbish ! This is a game, on a computer with pixels and stuff BUT still based on somewhat possible future and created as realistic as possible to reflect that. There is always the problem in getting the reality programmed. Shield are supposed to be shields, you can't shoot trough them, fly, bump or hump them ! Everything inside should be safe, you want something inside of it, get a Dread. Or make hacking mods hack POS PW's
Dario Wall Caldari The Movement	Posted - 2007.05.25 05:20:00 - [25] Looks like he either: a) Had the shield password, and warped inside the POS in a pod and boarded the ships, b) Used a capital to bump the ships out of the shield, or... c) Has an alt in your corp that bumped the ships out of the shield for the main to board. If he has an alt in your corp, it doesn't need any roles to be able to launch ships out of the maint. array. Tested it in my old corp.(Should still work unless it's been patched recently.)
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 11:11:00 - [26] Crazy idea here but you could, oo i don't know, park it in the ship maintenance array? BoB vs the coalition of family values
Zzleeper Amarr levisomnus spectatrix	Posted - 2007.05.25 12:35:00 - [27] im hoping you configured the POS correctly, Xelas have been known to screw up like this Cheaters never prosper! (only in EVE it seems) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Scyd ([email protected])
Lakedaimon Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 12:45:00 - [28] Quote: This is a game, on a computer with pixels and stuff BUT still based on somewhat possible future and created as realistic as possible to reflect that. There is always the problem in getting the reality programmed. Actually, EVE is not very realistic at all. Citing realism as an argument in a spaceship game with non-newtonian combat and ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here.
Fedaykinn OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:10:00 - [29] Ive done this a few times warped my phoenix through the shield to a safe spot on the other side bumped 6 ships out hehe. Then blew em up w00t Yes I Typo, Does It Look Like I Care?
Calel Caldari S.H.I.E.L.D Co.	Posted - 2007.05.25 17:55:00 - [30] Why do people leave ships outside the pos anyway? S.H.I.E.L.D. Co Space Haulage, Interstellar Exploration & Logistical Distribution

wtwtf	Posted - 2007.05.25 20:57:00 - [31] its also possible to ninja steal - but it requires a fast stable connection and areally wierd screen - try to warp to the tower from the direction that wil land you closest to the ship before the bouncerclick board as fast as possible and hopefuly you board the ship before the bounce takes effect always dock it in the maintenacnce array - or at a deep safe - my ratting raven and my fleet ships are kept in maintennce hangars unless im using them, for which i log off inside them at a deep safe alt post for obv reasons
franny Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:12:00 - [32] Originally by: dodgeydan Edited by: dodgeydan on 24/05/2007 23:45:40 Its not an exploit and at the end of this video it shows you how i managed to steal some battleships from POS's : http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/0701/MeetingTheNeigbors.wmv that was a fun bit you guys made life intresting at times I could actually play... made life in my helios intresting, trying to catch you guys paused for more than 2 seconds at a safe(I did break one, but the gits warped in early )
Sheila Chandra Marquie-X Corp The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:53:00 - [33] Its not outside the POS, its outside the ship array. And the sense on this should be clear. Its very very frustrating and time intensive building a fleet when 30 people need to get their ship out of an array and 10 need to change something on fitting.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.26 16:32:00 - [34] Bah, most often I find in these situations, you've let someone into your POS who wasn't in your corp. Maybe you had a mixed gang fighting a third party and you let them in your shields for protection. Or maybe its just someone in your corp. Anyway, usually this person gives the password to yet another party. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Krysta Gemme	Posted - 2007.05.27 08:15:00 - [35] How is this an exploit? So what if the point of a POS is to keep things safe? The point of a bank vault is to keep money safe from theives, but banks DO get robbed now don't they? This is a game with a criminal element. You can't cry about every freakin' attempt at thievery. It's a player based game. I came to Eve thinking the players here had the nuts to realise this is a player based game in a player based world with player based threats. Thievery, Scam, Cons and Theft come into play here, much like it does in real life. You can't have your car jacked in real life and petition God to give it back to you. Sometimes your luck is bad. In this case these guys did a tactic that succeeded and stole from you successfully. You lost in a player vs player encounter where the damage was not your destruction but the thievery of your equipment. People seem to misunderstand PvP in today's MMO's. If someone convinced you into putting money into a Bank asset in order to gain interest and it turned out to be a scam, then guess what...? You got P V P'd. Just getting tired of stuff like this being considered an 'exploit'. I hear the word "exploit" left and right in this game. You would think this is WoW or something.
IntegralHellsing Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.27 10:53:00 - [36] probably did a bumpty or ninja steal (not sure if ninja steal works though) but then you should never park your ship at POS. (Unless you absolutely have to, because of station camp) --------------------------------------
Cruthensis	Posted - 2007.05.27 11:30:00 - [37] Edited by: Cruthensis on 27/05/2007 11:31:29 Edited by: Cruthensis on 27/05/2007 11:30:28 I think part of the argument for/against such theft being possible is related to the *stated intention, capability and functionality* of an item within the game. If you bought say, an afterburner (but this works with any item obviously), from the market. You read the specs and it's clear to you that your top speed should go from X upto Y, but in fact it falls short of Y for some unknown reason, you would be rightly a bit underwhelmed with the product. It would not have performed in line with its stated capability. In this instance, are POS sheilds stated (by CCP I suppose) to be able to prevent removal of ships by any means? Is such a capability strongly implied? I don't know. If that were the case, any successful theft could reasonably be called an exploit. If not, bad luck. My personal feeling would be that a POS is an expensive and time consuming purchase and that a ship (used to commit the theft) is not. In light of that, I can't really imagine that 'bumping' or warp manipulation are really intended as security holes in what is a substantial investment. You paid good money for an item that should guard against theft such as that.
Nigel Armoured Assassins	Posted - 2007.05.27 12:42:00 - [38] We stole a Dreadnaught buy bumping it out of a POS that had no shield password assigned. Yaaaarrrrrr
MegabitOne Caldari The Black Ops	Posted - 2007.07.21 07:36:00 - [39] Originally by: AegriSomnia Originally by: MegabitOne Do you eject from your ship just outside a 'normal' station, expecting no one will steal it? No? Then why do you expect you can do that with a POS? Obviously you have NO CLUE the difference between a POS and a "normal station". Let me ask you, is there a password protected force field around a "noraml station"? Do you get shot at if you are not of the same corp as the "normal station"? Do you have to pay in the form of minerals in upkeep to have access to a "normal station"? Do YOU let just anyone have access to your POS? Thats probably why we "expected" to do it. We figured it was secure. A POS and a normal station have NOTHING IN COMMON. Once you can afford a POS you will be able to figure that out for yourself, instead of making weak argurments. Really, out of all the posts I've EVER been involved with; from Drake nerfs to pirating, you take the cake for the most asinine post. Good work. Originally by: MegabitOne If you want to leave your ship in a station, you dock in the station. If you want to leave your ship in a POS, you dock in the POS. Simple as... Never heard of a Ship Maintenance Array? That's where you put your ships, not leave 'm floating around in the POS sphere. Its so obvious the people that read the OP and nothing else. Try reading the rest of my posts, mmmk? Being as it is that you get PWNed by a POS if you are within about 250 km or so, we never expected this exploit to exist. Never thought that a guy who could pilot a cap ship would waste his time "POS bowling". But like I said, you live and learn. I PERSONALLY wouldn't EVER park my ships anywhere but a station. One more quick note. Again pointing out how you probably dont know much about POS's. You can park anything in a ship maintenance array if there is something in the cargo hold. Do you carry around extra ammo? I dont really know for sure, you might not. You must have misread something in my post. I was pointing out the difference between a station and a pos to show you that what you don't do at a station, you shouldn't do at a pos either. You don't leave your ship floating in space outside a station, right? Then why are you so stupid to leave it outside a pos? As you pointed out yourself: you can dock your ship in the ship maintenance hangar of the pos. And as you pointed out too, you should empty your cargo hold before doing so. Seems like you know perfectly what to do: - empty your cargo hold into the pos's hangars - dock your ship in maintenance hangar It's worrying that you know what to do but didn't do it . After all, me not knowing the difference between a pos and a station (dixit you) has up until now never lost a ship secured in a pos, where as the know-it-all you has! Who's the noob then? Only you are to blame for your loss... --- I'm not as bad-ass as some of my corp mates, but I'll pwn you anyway! -= In God we trust, all the others pay cash =-
Haxar The Usual Targets	Posted - 2007.07.21 12:07:00 - [40] This thread is so May.

Goewyn Ravenclaw Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.07.21 18:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Haxar This thread is so May. might say i'm easily amused but laughing at this caused beer to hit the screen ______________________________ A closed mouth inserts no foot
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Lakedaimon Quote: This is a game, on a computer with pixels and stuff BUT still based on somewhat possible future and created as realistic as possible to reflect that. There is always the problem in getting the reality programmed. Actually, EVE is not very realistic at all. Citing realism as an argument in a spaceship game with non-newtonian combat and ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here. Quote of teh month (bith out together=somehwta funny ----------------------------------------------- Citing realism as an argument in a spaceship game with non-newtonian combat and ships that can fly through planets really doesn't make a whole lot of
Malcore Trisus Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:57:00 - [43] Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 21/07/2007 22:57:46 Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 21/07/2007 22:57:00 Originally by: MegabitOne Originally by: AegriSomnia Originally by: MegabitOne Only you are to blame for your loss... Actually, CCPs failure to prevent exploitation of the bumping mechanics with POS shields despite patch notes claiming they had fixed it, combined with inconsistent GM responses are the likely culprits. But hey, why bother necroing an irrelevant and dated thread about it?
Ironnight Caldari x13	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:09:00 - [44] Didnt they fix the bowling issue? I think I saw a dev blog where they said it was now an exploit.
Doctor Serious	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:35:00 - [45] Edited by: Doctor Serious on 21/07/2007 23:35:54 Originally by: MegabitOne It is not an exploit. It's being careless of your ship as a pilot. Do you eject from your ship just outside a 'normal' station, expecting no one will steal it? No? Then why do you expect you can do that with a POS? Don't be a choad. He ejected from his ship inside a MASSIVE ENERGY SHIELD designed to keep people out. Why would you want to keep people out? So that they don't take your stuff. Thus, that they can take your stuff from outside the shield (regardless of how they do it), is not something you can blame them for. Preventing that from happening is a responsibility of the game mechanics, and the game mechanics are the responsibility of the game developer. Quote: Simple as... Never heard of a Ship Maintenance Array? That's where you put your ships, not leave 'm floating around in the POS sphere. Again, don't be a choad. What is the POS sphere meant to do? I think we can agree it's meant to protect the POS and its assets. Therefore trying to make this his fault is pretty damned ****** on your part. edit: ^^ wow. I can't say stupid? Quote:** But there's an even more stupid third trick: if a corp mate also flies to the POS and accidentally bumps the ship while manoeuvering, the ship might start to drift... And once outside the sphere, we're back to the discussion above: do you want your ship floating unmanned in space? ;-) So if the inside of the POS sphere ridiculously cluttered, that could be their fault. I doubt you can reasonably say that every one of his three or four ships being stolen was due to this clutter, given that there were only three or four ships and that doesn't amount to clutter. Whether it's a good idea to leave your ship parked in space isn't the question. The question is whether POS assets should be allowed to be stolen when protected within the POS shields. If I could somehow board your corporate hangar array and fly it away, I doubt you'd blame yourself.
Doctor Serious	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Belenkas The problem arises when you need to store ship in 0.0 and closest station is quite some jumps away :) But then again, there always is Ship Maintenance Array, which works all the time, until POS goes poof(yea even in reinfoced it does work). So we just tend to bowl floating friendly ships OUT of POS intentionally so that people learn next time :) You people can't be serious. What _should_ happen is your capital ship should go up in a fireball when it strikes the unyielding energy shield protecting a pos. Maybe causing some trivial damage to the shield in the process. No way in hell should your ship be able to penetrate that shield when your weapons fire won't. But I guess if you want to make your existence about reminding people that exploits exist, and how badly they **** up your fun and sense of immersion with the game, then mission accomplished pal!
Doctor Serious	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Krysta Gemme How is this an exploit? So what if the point of a POS is to keep things safe? The point of a bank vault is to keep money safe from theives, but banks DO get robbed now don't they? Why even have shields at all? Or POSes for that matter? You people are really lowering my opinion of the human race here. Quote: This is a game with a criminal element. You can't cry about every freakin' attempt at thievery. It's a player based game. Metagame-involved crime is weak and so is your argument. They need to put a warp bubble effect on the edge of the POS shield. That would be the easiest way I can think of to make things work they way they should.
Zion Zan'threxian Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:30:00 - [48] Perhaps it wasn't "stolen" per se. You're a member of a rather large alliance (friends of ours at that) but if the POS is set to alliance wide entrance to the shield, ANYONE in the alliance can take it. An alliance the size of GS is bound to have some asshats.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:39:00 - [49] i dunno when this occured, but maby you lot just forgot to put a pw on ur pos shield and he just came in?, iv stolen quite a few ships through this manner.
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2007.07.22 17:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Lakedaimon ...ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here. Actually I've been talking it over with some friends and theory of physics states that at the speed the ship is moving en-warp, you'd actually move the particles of whatever mass you're moving through and leave it undamaged because of the speed. This is, ofcourse, theory. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh ([email protected])

Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.07.23 00:53:00 - [51] Originally by: MirrorGod Originally by: Lakedaimon ...ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here. Actually I've been talking it over with some friends and theory of physics states that at the speed the ship is moving en-warp, you'd actually move the particles of whatever mass you're moving through and leave it undamaged because of the speed. This is, ofcourse, theory. Err, since we don't actually have warp theory, I'll have to disagree with you on this Anyhoo, necroing is bad, to whomever cast a resurrection on this thread. Originally by: Dian Cecht Don't talk to me about NHS waiting lists! My wife got pregnant and we had to wait 9 months before they would deliver it! And don't be fooled, they don't even deliver it!
Le Bon Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.23 12:48:00 - [52] Edited by: Le Bon on 23/07/2007 12:48:28 isn't it no longer possible to bump ships out of a shield... Also sounds like a case of "Poorly setup POS" Pos passwords anyone? 2 months old :\| = Ninja Smack Alt
spudnick225 Darke Legion Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.07.23 14:17:00 - [53] It's actualey quite easy done it a few times never lost a ship though. I used my buzzard and was probing for parked ships saw a manti next to a pos structure left ship in space warped to the probe result hit board ship real quick and the shield kicks you out around 23km/s which btw is a hella speed tank :P docked and there you have it a stolen ship. and ship parked in space if fair game espically freighters filled with rare ore and Bpo's with research on it thanks guy for that 4 billion pay day Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Igus Green Gecko Inc. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 16:08:00 - [54] FFS remove the ability to post to threads more than a month since there last post. God **** Necros -- Uhg, I think I need a flux capacitor
Aldus Extremis	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:12:00 - [55] Originally by: MirrorGod Originally by: Lakedaimon ...ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here. Actually I've been talking it over with some friends and theory of physics states that at the speed the ship is moving en-warp, you'd actually move the particles of whatever mass you're moving through and leave it undamaged because of the speed. This is, ofcourse, theory. Talk to your friends some more. Light is affected by gravity wells. So would ships at any speed.
xenodia Gallente Shadowrun Company	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Dungheap and yes, it's legal... Actually its not. CCP posted a news item a few weeks ago that "POS Bowling" was now concidered an exploit. Funny thing was that announcement was less than 48 hours after a previous announcement saying it wasnt.
Jason Hawke Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:34:00 - [57] I stole me a domi outside a station in Funt... I have no idea why it was abandoned.. but I didn't complain either.. my first BS.
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:46:00 - [58] Originally by: xenodia Originally by: Dungheap and yes, it's legal... Actually its not. CCP posted a news item a few weeks ago that "POS Bowling" was now concidered an exploit. Funny thing was that announcement was less than 48 hours after a previous announcement saying it wasnt. It wasn't an exploit at the time of that post. And leave the dead thread alone please, it's not harry potter. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.


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