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AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:30:00 - [1] Someone please explain how this is possible. We had several ships parked inside our shields at one of our POS locations. One of our corpies gets a EVEmail from the insurance company, denying his claim on his Gallente BC, because he was not the owner of the ship at the time of destruction. "WTF", he says and heads down to the POS where this particular ship was parked. Much to his chagrin, he spys a wreck just outside of the POS shield. Its his ship. He alerts his fellow corpies, including me, and we begin to take inventory. 3 ships missing. 1 Gallente BC (destroyed by our POS), 1 Caldari BS and an Gallente AF. The killmail from the POS identifies the individual (who shall remain nameless), and we begin to put the pieces of the event together. It seems that this individual entered our POS, somehow, and took off in the BC. Once he exited or was kicked out of the POS, the guns opened up and popped the Gallente BC. Poorly executed strike by the pirate or he couldn't use the mods to tank the sentries before warp. So he tries again. This time he picks the BS. Bigger tank, different tank that maybe he could use, and this time he gets away with the ship. He comes back for the Gallente AF and makes it out with that one too. One thoery is that he "bumped" the ships out. The theory that seems to be sticking is the one I layed out above. Has anyone actually done this before and could explain how it worked? Or have you been a victim of it and have more info? Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:31:00 - [2] More than likely they used a capital ship to bump the ships out. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:36:00 - [3] and yes, it's legal...
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Dungheap and yes, it's legal... Well, I dont deny that. I am a Constitutionalist, which means, I believe if its not expressly prohibited by word of law, then it is legal. But that doesn't mean its not an exploit. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:58:00 - [5] BUUUUMPED and boarded or someone had the password
Kruel Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:03:00 - [6] POS bowling with Capitals. If I had a carrier I'd be doing it too. Bad game design TBH.
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Kruel POS bowling with Capitals. If I had a carrier I'd be doing it too. Bad game design TBH. Unless pos is not fitted at all for combat, u need supercapital because of scrambling/webbing --- Cheap paint ftw
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: Kruel POS bowling with Capitals. If I had a carrier I'd be doing it too. Bad game design TBH. Unless pos is not fitted at all for combat, u need supercapital because of scrambling/webbing Or you can just turn on your tank, then quit the game. 15 minutes later, you log in and quit rapidly a few times. That should get you loose of the POS. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:30:00 - [9] Not sure if this is the case, but if a ship is within boarding range (6500m?) of the edge of the shield, it can be boarded by a pod that is right on the shield. Maybe this has been changed recently, but in the past I have actually tested this and it was the case. -=^=-
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:39:00 - [10] Edited by: AegriSomnia on 23/05/2007 19:39:21 Originally by: Billy Sastard Not sure if this is the case, but if a ship is within boarding range (6500m?) of the edge of the shield, it can be boarded by a pod that is right on the shield. Maybe this has been changed recently, but in the past I have actually tested this and it was the case. This could be the winner. I saw the ships the night before they were stolen, and they were a bit too close to the edge of the shield, imo. The cap ship thing never came up in our discussions. Stupid noobs EDIT: We contacted the CEO of the offenders corp, they are probably in the top 5 corps in the galaxy, and he wasnt too happy. It was just an FYI, we didnt complain or flame or send hate, just wanted him to know what his corpies were up to. Anyway, I figure the cap ship technique needs a few people involved? This individual acted alone. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:10:00 - [11] Originally by: AegriSomnia EDIT: We contacted the CEO of the offenders corp, they are probably in the top 5 corps in the galaxy, and he wasnt too happy. It was just an FYI, we didnt complain or flame or send hate, just wanted him to know what his corpies were up to. Anyway, I figure the cap ship technique needs a few people involved? This individual acted alone. Why would the CEO care? I dont see any unethical or exploit action.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Dr Cron Originally by: AegriSomnia EDIT: We contacted the CEO of the offenders corp, they are probably in the top 5 corps in the galaxy, and he wasnt too happy. It was just an FYI, we didnt complain or flame or send hate, just wanted him to know what his corpies were up to. Anyway, I figure the cap ship technique needs a few people involved? This individual acted alone. Why would the CEO care? I dont see any unethical or exploit action. They have a reputation to uphold. If someone in my corp did this, we would make him/her give the ship back. And it is an exploit, BTW. It absolutley is an exploit. You shouldn't be able to steal ships out of a POS. The point of a POS it to have protected space in low sec, where you can setup various arrays to hld cargo or refine or whatever. It goes against the basic principle of having a POS to allow people that do not have access to access items in the POS while the shields are up, the autocannons are active, and the password is properly set, be it by cap. ship or boarding from just outside the shield. Therefore, by definition, it is an exploit. That being said, since it is not PROHIBITED by CCP, then this exploit is fair play. Its like the scrum for a loose football. A lot of rules go out the window at the bottom fo that pile. Is it typically OK to grab a guys balls and squeeze? I think not. But, at the bottom of the scrum, its OK. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:34:00 - [13] Originally by: AegriSomnia Originally by: Dr Cron Originally by: AegriSomnia EDIT: We contacted the CEO of the offenders corp, they are probably in the top 5 corps in the galaxy, and he wasnt too happy. It was just an FYI, we didnt complain or flame or send hate, just wanted him to know what his corpies were up to. Anyway, I figure the cap ship technique needs a few people involved? This individual acted alone. Why would the CEO care? I dont see any unethical or exploit action. They have a reputation to uphold. If someone in my corp did this, we would make him/her give the ship back. And it is an exploit, BTW. It absolutley is an exploit. You shouldn't be able to steal ships out of a POS. The point of a POS it to have protected space in low sec, where you can setup various arrays to hld cargo or refine or whatever. It goes against the basic principle of having a POS to allow people that do not have access to access items in the POS while the shields are up, the autocannons are active, and the password is properly set, be it by cap. ship or boarding from just outside the shield. Therefore, by definition, it is an exploit. That being said, since it is not PROHIBITED by CCP, then this exploit is fair play. Its like the scrum for a loose football. A lot of rules go out the window at the bottom fo that pile. Is it typically OK to grab a guys balls and squeeze? I think not. But, at the bottom of the scrum, its OK. If you say so. Or you could take some responsibility and park the ships in a hangar thing or move em away from the shield considering this feature/bug/exploit/whatever exists.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Dr Cron If you say so. Or you could take some responsibility and park the ships in a hangar thing or move em away from the shield considering this feature/bug/exploit/whatever exists. We just chalked it up to xp. Like I said, we didn't demand anything from the offender's corp, it was just an FYI. TBH, we had no idea that this was even possible! So, from here on out we are being MUCH more careful about where we leave unattended ships. Personally, I never park a ship anywhere but in a station. Even a POS can get blowed up! Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.23 21:01:00 - [15] And you just get banned for doing it, wonderful how that works, huh?
Kruel Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.05.23 21:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Billy Sastard Not sure if this is the case, but if a ship is within boarding range (6500m?) of the edge of the shield, it can be boarded by a pod that is right on the shield. Maybe this has been changed recently, but in the past I have actually tested this and it was the case. I tried that a long time ago... didn't work. Btw, I've warped inside a POS with my Domi before and that sucker launched me pretty far. I'm not sure what web range is on POS's, but I was probably about 50k away before it started shooting me.
MegabitOne Caldari The Black Ops	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:15:00 - [17] Originally by: AegriSomnia And it is an exploit, BTW. It absolutley is an exploit. You shouldn't be able to steal ships out of a POS. The point of a POS it to have protected space in low sec, where you can setup various arrays to hld cargo or refine or whatever. It goes against the basic principle of having a POS to allow people that do not have access to access items in the POS while the shields are up, the autocannons are active, and the password is properly set, be it by cap. ship or boarding from just outside the shield. Therefore, by definition, it is an exploit. It is not an exploit. It's being careless of your ship as a pilot. Do you eject from your ship just outside a 'normal' station, expecting no one will steal it? No? Then why do you expect you can do that with a POS? If you want to leave your ship in a station, you dock in the station. If you want to leave your ship in a POS, you dock in the POS. Simple as... Never heard of a Ship Maintenance Array? That's where you put your ships, not leave 'm floating around in the POS sphere. The 'boarding' trick might work, the cap ship trick might work too. But there's an even more stupid third trick: if a corp mate also flies to the POS and accidentally bumps the ship while manoeuvering, the ship might start to drift... And once outside the sphere, we're back to the discussion above: do you want your ship floating unmanned in space? ;-) --- I'm not as bad-ass as some of my corp mates, but I'll pwn you anyway! -= In God we trust, all the others pay cash =-
SFShootme The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:40:00 - [18] trying to board stuff while it's inside of a pos and u dun have the password will result in: Notify You cannot do that as the SHIP is not within your reach, inside a force field you are unable to penetrate. Tho shall give Life, for Life.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:45:00 - [19] Originally by: MegabitOne Do you eject from your ship just outside a 'normal' station, expecting no one will steal it? No? Then why do you expect you can do that with a POS? Obviously you have NO CLUE the difference between a POS and a "normal station". Let me ask you, is there a password protected force field around a "noraml station"? Do you get shot at if you are not of the same corp as the "normal station"? Do you have to pay in the form of minerals in upkeep to have access to a "normal station"? Do YOU let just anyone have access to your POS? Thats probably why we "expected" to do it. We figured it was secure. A POS and a normal station have NOTHING IN COMMON. Once you can afford a POS you will be able to figure that out for yourself, instead of making weak argurments. Really, out of all the posts I've EVER been involved with; from Drake nerfs to pirating, you take the cake for the most asinine post. Good work. Originally by: MegabitOne If you want to leave your ship in a station, you dock in the station. If you want to leave your ship in a POS, you dock in the POS. Simple as... Never heard of a Ship Maintenance Array? That's where you put your ships, not leave 'm floating around in the POS sphere. Its so obvious the people that read the OP and nothing else. Try reading the rest of my posts, mmmk? Being as it is that you get PWNed by a POS if you are within about 250 km or so, we never expected this exploit to exist. Never thought that a guy who could pilot a cap ship would waste his time "POS bowling". But like I said, you live and learn. I PERSONALLY wouldn't EVER park my ships anywhere but a station. One more quick note. Again pointing out how you probably dont know much about POS's. You can park anything in a ship maintenance array if there is something in the cargo hold. Do you carry around extra ammo? I dont really know for sure, you might not. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Belenkas	Posted - 2007.05.24 17:03:00 - [20] Originally by: AegriSomnia I PERSONALLY wouldn't EVER park my ships anywhere but a station. The problem arises when you need to store ship in 0.0 and closest station is quite some jumps away :) But then again, there always is Ship Maintenance Array, which works all the time, until POS goes poof(yea even in reinfoced it does work). So we just tend to bowl floating friendly ships OUT of POS intentionally so that people learn next time :) You can logout in your ship in the worst place if you dont have time to store the ship or some sucker is AFK near it, why would you leave unmanned ship outside... It's just plain illogical. The problem can only arise if you need to store capitals...

Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:41:00 - [21] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 24/05/2007 21:40:58 If you bookmark somoenes Control tower and warp a big capital ship to 0 you'll warp right on top of the station and the game will shoot you outside the shield at like 30km/s (i dont know the number but its realy fast). If the cap ship happens to hit an unpiloted ship that ship will get bumbed but because there is no pilot it will NEVER STOP MOVING. Even if its only goin 20 m/s all they had to do is wait for it to exit the shield and steal it. Answer = dock your ships you care about in a corp hangar. Technically once you eject from a ship you nolonger own it so CCP will never refund any ship that was taken after you eject, no matter the reason. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
dodgeydan Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:46:00 - [22] Edited by: dodgeydan on 24/05/2007 23:45:40 Its not an exploit and at the end of this video it shows you how i managed to steal some battleships from POS's : http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/0701/MeetingTheNeigbors.wmv :)
Requiescat	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Derovius Vaden And you just get banned for doing it, wonderful how that works, huh? You really need to post with your main, jackass. If you're just going to troll C+P and flame everyone, grow some stones and do it with your main. --=-- I turned off "show corp/alliance" because, to be frank, I'm ashamed of them. They'll be turned back on when I'm somewhere more suitable for someone of my talents.
Tecro Nashota Inako Industries	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:35:00 - [24] Rubbish ! This is a game, on a computer with pixels and stuff BUT still based on somewhat possible future and created as realistic as possible to reflect that. There is always the problem in getting the reality programmed. Shield are supposed to be shields, you can't shoot trough them, fly, bump or hump them ! Everything inside should be safe, you want something inside of it, get a Dread. Or make hacking mods hack POS PW's
Dario Wall Caldari The Movement	Posted - 2007.05.25 05:20:00 - [25] Looks like he either: a) Had the shield password, and warped inside the POS in a pod and boarded the ships, b) Used a capital to bump the ships out of the shield, or... c) Has an alt in your corp that bumped the ships out of the shield for the main to board. If he has an alt in your corp, it doesn't need any roles to be able to launch ships out of the maint. array. Tested it in my old corp.(Should still work unless it's been patched recently.)
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 11:11:00 - [26] Crazy idea here but you could, oo i don't know, park it in the ship maintenance array? BoB vs the coalition of family values
Zzleeper Amarr levisomnus spectatrix	Posted - 2007.05.25 12:35:00 - [27] im hoping you configured the POS correctly, Xelas have been known to screw up like this Cheaters never prosper! (only in EVE it seems) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Scyd ([email protected])
Lakedaimon Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 12:45:00 - [28] Quote: This is a game, on a computer with pixels and stuff BUT still based on somewhat possible future and created as realistic as possible to reflect that. There is always the problem in getting the reality programmed. Actually, EVE is not very realistic at all. Citing realism as an argument in a spaceship game with non-newtonian combat and ships that can fly through planets (just to name two examples) really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can argue game mechanics or fluff or anything else, but I really wouldn't bring realism into play here.
Fedaykinn OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:10:00 - [29] Ive done this a few times warped my phoenix through the shield to a safe spot on the other side bumped 6 ships out hehe. Then blew em up w00t Yes I Typo, Does It Look Like I Care?
Calel Caldari S.H.I.E.L.D Co.	Posted - 2007.05.25 17:55:00 - [30] Why do people leave ships outside the pos anyway? S.H.I.E.L.D. Co Space Haulage, Interstellar Exploration & Logistical Distribution



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