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GulletSplitter
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:25:00 -
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There are many ways to freedom and not all of them have to come at the point of a gun. To assume that we have to blow up all our enemies to free our brethren is a bit small minded. While I know a good many Matari (including those of my corp) have and will continue to use violence to free our kin, others of us use different kinds of pressure. You can effect economic and societal change in many ways.
None of us know what Midular has in mind with these talks. None of us know if anything fruitful other then a POW exchange will ever come of them. Because we don't understand the context or timbre of the talks, the Bloody Hand may have attacked prematurely. For all we know our "wayward brothers" (to borrow their terminology) in Ammatar could have been asking Midular for help overthrowing their masters. They could have also been asking for a giant freighter full of Cheese Nips. We won't know by simply blowing people up. All this leads to is a hardening of hearts and minds to "different" ways.
Until we have a more firm understanding of what these talks entail, planned acts of violence (especially from followers of the Republic) will only lead to a hardening of Ammatar stances to our view points. After all they already think we are nothing but a bunch of barbaric terrorists. Why give them more ammo?
All this being said, I will continue to supply my Republican friends with the money, time, expertise and goods they need to do WHATEVER it takes to see our brethren freed. There is a time for talks....and there is a time for the less sanguine approach. I for one prefer that we at least make an attempt at talking before whipping out the bloody hand.
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GulletSplitter
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Posted - 2007.05.25 01:19:00 -
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Very useful post Archie...you have a group of the Matari actually preaching "give discussions a chance" and you call the whole of us
 Originally by: Archbishop
primitive immoralistic Minmatar
Really helps those of who are trying to be civil and resolve issues peacefully. Gosh I can't understand why UK and the others just flat out refuse to deal with any Amarr paramilitaries. I'm sure glad you are just a paramilitarist and not an actual member of the government.
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GulletSplitter
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Posted - 2007.05.25 15:26:00 -
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I for one would like to hear from the Bloody Hand to see their reasonings. Maybe they have some insider information that we don't know about. Cause if they don't and it was solely an attack against a politician that they find unpalatable, the loss of civilian life is totally unexcusable.
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GulletSplitter
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Posted - 2007.05.27 01:24:00 -
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So what I'm getting from your posts Telemicus is that you are more interested in killing all the Ammatar then actually leading "our blood" to the cause of freedom. They are our blood even if they are misguided and blinded by the sermons of the Amarr. Wouldn't you rather turn them to the cause of freedom over keeping them as another tent in the camp of our enemy? And if so, doesn't helping them to the cause of our people require them to be alive?
Attempting to blow up diplomatic efforts gives them no option other then to apostate themselves at the foot of the Amarr.
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GulletSplitter
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Posted - 2007.05.27 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
They commited the greatest act of treachery in our history. Why in the name of the gods would I want these filth at my back ready to do it all again?
They sure did. Now name me a current Ammatar that was involved in that act of treachery. Show me a current leader of our treacherous brethren that initiated and committed this great treachery in its infancy. This is a different group of Nefanter and a different group of leaders. Are they misguided ? Sure...but maybe we can help them get back on the path to freedom.
What we could have now is the awakening of our lost brethren to the bed of vipers upon which their forefathers decided to lay. Just as UK has learned who their true allies and friends are....just maybe...the Nefanter have figured this out as well. None of us know at this point. So we're going to attempt to blow up their peace delegation prior to finding out what the talks are about? Midular and the Consulate are talking...so what...let them talk. Right now it's only talk.
When we were lost and enslaved all we had was hope. Hope of a better future and a better tomorrow. Hope of freedom and a life controlled by and for our own. I will not turn my back on an entire set of our people because I will not crush their hope that one day all the tribes can be reunited in freedom. Their chance to taste what we have now should not stolen from them by us because we choose not to talk with them based on the actions of their fathers.
You would annihilate millions of people whose politics you do not know. The current Ammatar don't get to pick their government like we get to pick out ours. You would write off as useless parts millions of children who have never had the taste or understanding of freedom. Children who are indoctrinated into a Amarr view of their past. When we were enslaved we could not very well speak out against our masters until the time was right. Are the Nefanter any different now? Maybe this is the start of them speaking out?
We Minmatar always seek to free our people. The Nefanter are our people as much as any other of the tribes. They need freeing from the yoke of the Amarr just as much as all the other slaves in the Mandate and Empire. I will always seek the abolishment of slavery in any form. I stand not in the way of those of our people who choose to liberate our kin with violence but instead support them economically. At the same time I would hope that I could get the same understanding when I at times choose a diplomatic path. How we free our kin matters not...only that they get free.
Of course I have to caveat this by saying if Midular comes out and does something truly stupid. I will be the first to stand by you and fight for freedom. Both sides of this argument are making an assumption. One side is assuming that nothing good can come of these talks. The other side only sees that something good can happen. My bet is that in reality nothing will come out of these talks. I would still like to see them talk in the off chance that something good comes out of it.
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