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Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:58:00 - [1] Almost everyone (except the isk farmers) wants to see some sort of nerf for cloaks. I don't think making it possible to scan cloaked ships is the right solution. Instead it should be made so that they can't just stay cloaked forever. The idea: - Cloaking devices now require fuel to operate. (I suggest heavy water.) - Activation of the cloaking device uses around 80 - 100 fuel. - After activation the cloak uses 1 fuel per minute. - This only applies to the prototype and improved cloaks. The specialized covops cloak should not be changed. This would mean your average battleship might be able to cloak around 8 times before running out of fuel. If he cloaked only once, he could stay cloaked for around 10 hours. Fuel costs could be adjusted for smaller ships, but I think it would be easier to just add small, medium, large, and x-large cloaks to the game. (Quickly written while trying to probe a raven.) --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 07:46:00 - [2] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 25/05/2007 04:36:55 Did you get the Raven?? No I landed 10km away from him when the huge lag spike hit. He logged out and I spent 5 minutes trying to deactivate my cloak to launch a probe. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 07:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Taran Summers Ooooh ooooh. If we have to fuel our cloaks. I think we should get a little buff for it. Lets say we can use strontium to allow us to FIRE WHILE CLOAKED. WOOOOOT. Buff for a nerf. I think thats fair. I wouldn't be against that as long as there was a "distortion" in the cloak. This would allow the other player to spot the cloaked ship (visually) and move in close enough to decloak it. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 07:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Empero Edited by: Empero on 25/05/2007 04:03:07 Your nerf is too complicated. Easiest way would be that: (Cyno gen. like) Activation timer i.e. 300 seconds, than 60sec penalty till you can turn it on again. Or just remove local ;-) Edit: typos I wouldn't be against removing local, but your other suggestion does not help the cloaking problem very much. In fact it makes the cloaks completely worthless in pvp. The idea is to limit their ability to live in hostile space, but not to nerf it's use for other activities. Right now you can have cloaking ravens safely ratting 2 jumps from your base. There is absolutely nothing you can do because they are able to safe spot and cloak before you can even activate your warp drive. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 08:11:00 - [5] Edited by: Shinigami on 25/05/2007 08:09:44 Originally by: Billy Hardcore Edited by: Billy Hardcore on 25/05/2007 08:04:56 I have no solution to this, allthough I do agree that cloaks in their current form are overpowered. Especially a prototype cloak hardly gimps your ability to PvE, with only a 30 cpu requirment, while making you impossible to kill for other players. There's tons of corpless ISK farmers everywhere in 0.0 sovereign space. These people cannot be forcefully removed from these systems simply because they just save and cloak up the moment anyone enters local. That's right, but with my idea they would be forced to refuel after several cloaks. This would mean travel or bringing in fuel with another ship. Either way they would at least become vulnerable at some point in time. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 08:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Lorn Yeager Everytime I have hunted isk-farmers, ninja ratters and family... they have just logged off. Nerf THAT before you nerf the cloak. Cloak is not a problem. He cant hurt you. He cant steal your epeen. He can only look at you. Ya but he has to login again at some point. When he does that's another 100 fuel he has to spend. Alternatively you could just make the aggression timer for logging off count for npcs too. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 08:28:00 - [7] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 25/05/2007 08:17:29 Seriously though-you do get my point I presume regarding "Steve"? That's why I said that the Covert Ops cloak should not be changed. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 09:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Shirow Miyazaki ....OR, instead of whinging about cloaks and how awful they are, how about have ALL cloaks with a huge cpu fitting, and give ships that are meant to use them a CPU reduction bonus. This way we get rid of people afk-ing in battleships but keep speciality cloaked ships as they are, instead of nerfing them for people who have blatantly never been near a cloak or a ship meant to use them. You obviously didn't read my entire post. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:25:00 - [9] Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 25/05/2007 13:57:02 Did CCP change bombers, so that they can use covert ops cloaking device? Sorry, I thought they could fit them. Never flown one or known anyone that does. I guess there is a reason for that. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:10:00 - [10] Originally by: E Vile Very sick of this trend of people whining for a nerf when they find someone is tricky, or difficult to kill. Cloaks are in no way overpowered. If you could shoot while cloaked I could see a problem. If anything they should make you invisi to local. Get over yourselves. The isk farmers aren't "tricky" or "difficult to kill". They are completely invulnerable. They can rat in a system 24 hours a day seven days a week, and there is nothing that can be done to stop them. Obviously many of you have no experience with 0.0 space or cloaking isk farmers. It's possible that they might even be using a 3rd party tool that warps them to a safe spot and cloaks when someone else enters the system. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots

Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Maxine Blade This won't satisfy the OP... I think they want it nerfed for escaping gate camps too... I couldn't care less about escaping gate camps with cloaks. You actually have a chance to spot and reveal the cloaker in that situation. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 00:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Dreck Morrison No way does making fuel for cloaks solve the issue. Nowadays our gatecamps smack 3+ sigils per week loaded to the gills with Juggernaut Torps - heading out to supply these ships. So the only change will be to also get to kill 3+ loaded with heavy water...... Would much rather have a chance to kill the ss cloaked ravens with some way of eventually scanning them down. But if that is the case they will just log out as someone else had said.... Dreck I'm sure there's a solution. You could make the fuel volatile so that it can't survive in a jet can. Or you could make it more expensive. Imagine if a farmer was paying 250mil per day to cloak every time someone passed through a system. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I like this the best of all that I've read. Get rid of the local chat early warning system and the quasi-perfect-detector goes away. Evens things up. It is an ideal solution, but what are the chances of CCP actually implementing it? --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:06:00 - [14] Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: Shinigami Edited by: Shinigami on 25/05/2007 14:21:58 (Quickly written while trying to probe a raven.) <- says it all Soo someone not abble to find a cloaked player huh , tough luck. im very much against nerfing cloaking at all. with the huge nerfs u get on bs with a cloak on they are no good at pvp anyways. Who cares if they are fitted for pvp? The problem is that they can rat in our territory without paying rent. They do so with zero risk. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Markus Aurelian cloaks arent the i win button for 0.0, and they have serious drawbacks when fitting them. You mean the small targeting delay? Hardly a serious drawback for a macro ratter. --- Dianabolic speaks about BoB's developer relationship. Lag Killer
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 04:15:00 - [16] Take your anti-bob crap elsewhere. It's obvious a lot of you have no experience with the instacloaked farmers. The problem does exist, and I challenge you to come up with a solution that does not involve camping the system for hours hoping the farmer might give up and leave. Or just tell me why we should be forced to rat in order to secure our territory. --- Dianabolic speaks about BoB's developer relationship. Lag Killer
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 09:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Blaxxor There is no Anti-BoB-crap , to place an alt in a Assfrig cloaked with 2 Scrambler in System is easy. You havent to hope , the Farmer has no other choice then stay cloaked , leave or hunt. You havent to attack him in the same time if he uncloak just to scann his belt an move a taskforce/ship to this system. Sooner or later he lose so to much ships over time and get no isk. You just want CCP to do your JOB ! adapt ! Wasn't talking to you. But your solution is the same old "wait for hours and hope he decides to do something" idea. Meanwhile he is just running one of his shop's other 200 farming accounts. --- Dianabolic speaks about BoB's developer relationship. Lag Killer
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 11:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Cyberus I dont think that it good solution m8. Yes they are anoing but tbh i think better CCP give ability to COVOPS ships to find cloakers and show the ship on tactical overview with 20 km range or so as signature. At this point cloaker can aproch and deaclock ship. Thats actualy the purpose of this ship in game. So simple as that. You got the clocking raven in your space? bring Covops and scan him down. It will land on him get in range gang warp dictor deploy buble covops aproch ship deaclok, gang warp in PAWNAGE. They should just remove cloaks from game before doing this. Your idea makes cloaks worthless. --- snip Do not troll in your signature -Eldo ([email protected]) Lag Killer
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 03:22:00 - [19] Originally by: haubnFilter you will be able to scan cloakers http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=525843&page=1#26 So Cloaking Devices are the new Reinforced Bulkheads. I guess this thread isn't needed anymore. --- snip Do not troll in your signature -Eldo ([email protected]) Lag Killer

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