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smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 09:01:00 - [1] Looks like a perfect idea to me. Doesn't nerf covops, recons (stealth bombers should be included too), stops continual use of cloaks by ships that aren't really designed to use them. Up till now i've just ignored the macro ratters that have a program to warp off and cloak as soon as somebody enters local, however this is a nice and effective nerf to them and nobody else. sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 10:34:00 - [2] Originally by: Jenesti Why not delete all modules and ships expekt one of them so everyone have the same fitting and ship.. ? THATS BALANCING ! I was just quoting the following post in the titan thread and thought I would bring it to your attention: Originally by: CCP Abathur Thank you for a well written and detailed post. Such efforts are noticed and appreciated by the Dev Team. We're well aware of the importance of many of the issues you describe and they are under heavy discussion almost daily as Kali 2 gets closer and closer. Threads such as this one are a great help in identifying specific issues that need more of our attention. Rest assured, we are paying attention. There are always problems in a constantly-evolving game such as eve. You are fairly obviously unaware of the need for constant balancing, however like it or not, it is present. Threads such as this one are an excellent way for people to present well-thought out ideas (or not) to the community at large, giving the devs the ability to peruse them at their leisure. Please refrain from posting idiotic comments in such threads in future. sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 10:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Off-topic: stop derailing the thread, thank you. try to be even remotely constructive if you want to post On-topic: nice Idea, good sir Death God . It wouldnt nerf haulers using cloaks either. with an agression from belt rats lasting 1-2 minutes it would totaly wipe out those macro-ravens ratting 0.0 systems. No such thing as agro from belt rats, however it would severely hurt macro-ravens as they would be unable to go afk for longer periods of time without knowing if they had enough fuel for their cloaks. sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 11:20:00 - [4] Heikki the whole problem of afk macro-ratters is that they are, well, afk. If they log off every time somebody comes into system they will not be able to carry on ratting easily, wheras those people actually paying attention to their computers will. Have I missed something? sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 11:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Damned Force Edited by: Damned Force on 25/05/2007 11:46:42 So the prob that the ratting raven can go away and hide? The brave man attacking not pvp fitted ships, i hope at least in a big gang :) What would be the next? Block stargets if u arrive in a system so others cant jump out? or better if u arrive to the system all enemy ships should automatically blow and than some system drones collect for u the loot? U should go to gate, make up a bubble and wait if the enemy warp there. work a bit for your fun and money The dude above pretty much covered it, however I would just like to point you to the OP and it's stated purpose of stopping macro-ratters but allowing others to continue fairly unchanged. Does this mean you are a macro-ratter? sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 12:25:00 - [6] can't think of anything non-insulting to say to the above two posts so reserving this spot till i can... sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 12:39:00 - [7] Edited by: smallgreenblur on 25/05/2007 12:38:31 There are two problems: 1) cloaks effectively render you invulnerable, as used by heikki extrememly effectively for most of a year. 2) macro ratters use cloaks to become invulnerable to other players while afk playing. This solution fixes both of these problems. The third problem is of course that people will pay real money for isk. If you can come up with a way to stop this then I think ccp will be very happy with you. sgb Edit: Koto was more annoyed at the other idiot than you, your argument is relevant.
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 13:15:00 - [8] Don't forget that with the new system changes it's going to be much harder to find a ratting ship without probing them out... sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 13:21:00 - [9] Edited by: smallgreenblur on 25/05/2007 13:19:47 Meditril: I prefer the OP's solution to yours by a factor of massive. Sorry :( sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:54:00 - [10] lol, wierd seeing BE complain about something that might reduce the effectiveness of cloaks... Anyway, this solution is still bang on for stopping macro-ratters and not harming anybody else particularly, so it works for me. sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 15:04:00 - [11] Doesn't look like it will make the module useless. More to the point, I find it unlikely that macro-ratters will use ctrl-q since that kinda defeats the point of being afk... sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.25 15:21:00 - [12] Originally by: TZeer Edited by: TZeer on 25/05/2007 15:15:57 I dont think adding fuel should be the solution. Cap usage could be just as good, then you dont need to haul around that bloody fuel. But the cap usage shouldnt be more then that you would be able to sustain a claok for at least 1 hour. Peeps need to remember that not everyone is in an alliance. And not everyone want`s to be in an alliance. Yeah cap usage sounds good, would work nicely against macro-ratters since they wouldn't be able to know if somebody was going to sit in the system long enough to have them uncloak. Not sure how the alliance thing fits in tho. All you need is the ability to sit cloaked for 15 mins before logging off to operate 'behind enemy lines', nothing proposed so far has changed that ability. sgb
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:56:00 - [13] Edited by: smallgreenblur on 26/05/2007 10:54:56 Originally by: Markus Aurelian Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Shinigami Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: Shinigami Edited by: Shinigami on 25/05/2007 14:21:58 (Quickly written while trying to probe a raven.) <- says it all Soo someone not abble to find a cloaked player huh , tough luck. im very much against nerfing cloaking at all. with the huge nerfs u get on bs with a cloak on they are no good at pvp anyways. Who cares if they are fitted for pvp? The problem is that they can rat in our territory without paying rent. They do so with zero risk. Without paying rent. So on the end u sad what is your prob. everyone should pay because u are part of a big alliance or die. Just in your alliance members should play as they like. others just with your enabling. Such players ruins the game of others. I personly had nothing against BoB, but if all others think so i hope u would be soon defeated and pay rents even for living in EVE perfectly stated. its not invulnerable because they still have to decloak to make money. so if you want to stop people from farming your systems than perhaps you should actually have a presence in that system. if you dont have sov and a permanent presence the space shouldnt be yours anyways. 0.0 is supposed to be lawless, not risky. if you cant handle someone being a squatter, well thats just too bad aint it. they shouldnt be forced to join your alliance to have access to good rats and belts that you claim. if you cant catch them then your claim isnt all that strong. cloaks arent the i win button for 0.0, and they have serious drawbacks when fitting them. Actually that's a load of rubbish. As stated many times in this thread the problem is with people running 3rd party programs that allow them to go afk and continue ratting, however when somebody enters the system they are automatically warped to ss and cloaked. 0.0 is about risk vs reward. It's not about no risk vs big reward. sgb

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