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V4 Vendetta	Posted - 2007.06.28 15:51:00 - [61] I completely agree with Hectaire Glade...there should be a more reliable way to know on level five missions if it is for small gang, or cap ships. I hunted down an agent, even got a mission that says I would need fleet support, and was still not able to get in cap ships. What gives? Is it really going to be a roll of the dice to know when you can use them? Please give us some guidelines here. I was soooo looking foward to cap ships in a mission. I agree with not having the same mission twice in a row on any level as well too. Anyhow, please let us know what gives on the cap ships!
HeadWar Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.30 01:30:00 - [62] Edited by: HeadWar on 30/06/2007 01:30:59 Could someone explain this LP balancing thingy? Is it automatic? How long will it take? At the moment, getting 400k ISK and 2400 LP for a lvl 5 mission seems, well, wrong. (I can get twice that for a lvl 3...)
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.30 09:24:00 - [63] Originally by: HeadWar Edited by: HeadWar on 30/06/2007 01:30:59 Could someone explain this LP balancing thingy? Is it automatic? How long will it take? At the moment, getting 400k ISK and 2400 LP for a lvl 5 mission seems, well, wrong. (I can get twice that for a lvl 3...) With lower level missions, done by thousand of players, the rebalancing require some day (2-3, a week at most). Want to hazard a gusee for level 5? Myne, as the players doing them will be some hundred at most, is about 1 month, if the player keep up doing the missions with the currently low rewards.
HeadWar Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:27:00 - [64] Ok, I guess I missed the most important question. What IS this rebalancing thing? HOW does it work?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:40:00 - [65] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 30/06/2007 21:39:42 Originally by: HeadWar Ok, I guess I missed the most important question. What IS this rebalancing thing? HOW does it work? To be honest I have only second hand accounts as even hunting for the original reference from about agust 2006 to today I havent found the original dev blog/post describing it (if it exist). From all I have learned seeing its effect and the different description there is a program checking the time needed to succesfully complete a mission (it is unclear if it consider the failures, but it seem it don't do that). This program will adjust the mission reward in isk and LP and the time available for the bonus, basing its evalutations on the average results. Every mission has a minimun bonus time and reward, hardcoded by the Dev, and the mission first rewards are based on those values. The values will increase (to a point) it the mission usually isn't completed in within the bonus time. One of the big problem of this system is that new mission and old missions that are modified restart from the lowest rewards and bonus time. And those values are very conservative. To gnerate reasonable rewards he system need that the same mission is run several hundred times.
HeadWar Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:34:00 - [66] So what we all need to do is accept a mission the last thing we do before we go to bed, and then not finish it until the day after, thus messing up the averages. Gotcha.
Agif World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.07.01 09:56:00 - [67] What a disappointment!!! So the first mission i get has no jump gate which is kewl and yes the fact there was no bounty's also a disappointment, then there is the situation about the loot or lack of and also the salvage was a disgrace! Then there is the point about the amount of LP i got + the isk reward! I did it in 20 mins in 2 carriers and a friend along for the ride in a Domi and it was fun but the rewards sucked and now i find out that some of the missions have jump gates? So does this mean no capital ships can get in.... If so then please give us a list of the missions with no gates so at least i don't have to waste my standings on having to turn a mission away due to lack of information in the mission description. ------------------------------ Todays Quote - Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.
Agif World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.07.01 09:57:00 - [68] This acceleration gate is not configured to handle your Capsule. These ship groups are not handled: + Capsule + Dreadnought + Mothership + Titan + Freighter + Carrier Message from Acceleration gate. Cheers CCP for my standings loss truly a waste of my time! ------------------------------ Todays Quote - Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.01 12:50:00 - [69] Originally by: HeadWar So what we all need to do is accept a mission the last thing we do before we go to bed, and then not finish it until the day after, thus messing up the averages. Gotcha. That why it use hundred of mission to generate the average. Probably it has even some system to crop out the data too far from the peak point of the curve (people farming the same mission for 1 week for example).
Agif World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.07.04 04:01:00 - [70] Do all the level 5 missions work? Answer Yes! If so are CCP going to change anything ? Answer NO! Dont hold your breath or complain as unless they see fit then they will continue to ignore us. ------------------------------ Todays Quote - Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.

T Rotula Gallente WOLFPACK DELTA SCIONS OF SYNERGY	Posted - 2007.07.08 12:04:00 - [71] Just done three differ0nt level 5 missions in a 0.1 system: Convoy attack - doo-able just, with 2 BS and armour tanker - payout 2mill 10,000 LP -fair Honor (spell it correctly CCP) - very tough - Noz batteries etc etc - took 5 BS with armour rep over an hour to complete - payout 2 mill sik and 6000 LP Big Sting - tough - same ships slowly getting through it with an additonal dread (OK over kill but eh wanted in)to take agro! Payout - less than 2mill and 3000 LP my point? "what's the point CCP?" these missions are a waste of time, we can make more isk doing level 4! Loot is pathetic and there have been no bounties - so I have to share 2mill between 5 of us - we will stop doing them unless they get substanialy better! PS why, if we have to pop freighters, can we loot (the 25 engineers)using a BS - I thought only freighters can loot freighters. Andy why??? are they using 4 frighters to haul 245 engineeers?? Level 5 missions are rubbish!!
HeadWar Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.16 15:26:00 - [72] The ISK is actually decent, but you have to loot everything, that's where the money is. An average lvl 5 mission should bring you 100M or so. What annoys me is the extremely low LP and standing rewards. I realize the LP is supposed to balance itself, but from what I can tell, the default value is somewhere around 2k LP, which is just ridiculous. It seems not too many people are doing Minmatar lvl 5, so most missions I come across are still at their default values. As for the standings, an average mission will give you something like a hit of -0.8%, times 5, against the entire faction that you are attacking. Compare this to the measly 0.4% increase you get towards the corporation you do the mission for... It would be good with some kind of dev input on this, even if it's just "Quit whining, it's supposed to be hard."
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.07.16 16:02:00 - [73] Stupid question here but couldn't find it anywhere: I've found a lvl 5 distribution agent : does that mean there are lvl 5 hauling missions?
HeadWar Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:06:00 - [74] That would be nice, so you wouldn't have to put up with these enormous standing hits all the time. (Or you could just do drone missions I guess. They're pretty boring though.) Let us know how it works out.
Baline Aegis Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.09.06 14:47:00 - [75] "Up". Have the LP/rewards grown, considering what is said about LP/ISK balancing ? (sorry if there is a more actual Level 5 missions topic)
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.08 04:55:00 - [76] I'll just add that 2BS + logistics get through level Vs quite nicely. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Jorel	Posted - 2007.09.09 06:29:00 - [77] Hmm... has anyone tried running lvl 5's with just 2 bs's? I have been using a Raven + Scorp setup with two accounts. Raven being the primary damage dealer/tank with the Scorp in a purely support role running remote shield transfers. The Raven of course gets a full load of shield hardeners and a large tech 2 booster, the Scorp can rep just over 2000+ hp every 5 seconds (sustainable forever) so the Raven doesn't really need to shield boost on its own. Maybe its time to get on SiSi and play around, unless someone tried something similar?
Jmanis Catharg Caldari DB Ops Wing	Posted - 2007.09.09 23:28:00 - [78] Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 09/09/2007 23:29:42 Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 09/09/2007 23:28:04 Quote: Honor (spell it correctly CCP) It is spelt correctly. Unless of course you mean this: hon+our (ŏn'ər) Pronunciation Key n. & v. Chiefly British Note the bold and italic. Aaanyway, despite the negative vibes, I'm looking forward to hitting level 5's, even if it's just for the standing hit :)
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.09.09 23:45:00 - [79] Originally by: Mickey Knox Originally by: Parallax Error Originally by: Redwolf I'm quite suprised no one has mentioned the 'odd' distribution of the Amarr level 5's. It is a bit of a mystery. 4 In Aridia 2 in Khanid 1 in Genesis on the Syndicate side. 2 in Derelik 1 in The Bleak Lands. So, off the top of my head thats Domain, Tash Murkon, Kor Azor, Kador and Devoid without any. Spread them about a bit? I am pretty sure spreading them out was the plan and i know there is low sec in domaim, tash murkon, kor azor, kador and derelik. why is there 4 in aridia and 2 in derelik? spread them abit more out.
HeadWar Minmatar North Star Networks	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:15:00 - [80] A BS with the right resists and a logistics cruiser can handle most lvl 5s. Gotta be careful with the aggros though... --- Не поговорите русского. F1, F2, F3...



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