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Hajyt	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:32:00 - [3451] Hopefully something is learned from all this in the end. No dev powers on main server unless authorized by a few people above them. When they are used, make them fully documented to avoid situations like this. Frap it or something. Regardless of the staff members intentions, things like joining a corp and using their POS just looks very very very bad. Have an ethics talk with every employee about CCP neutrality on all in-game matters, with employment termination the result of any biased behavior. Hopefully that'll stop any future hundred page forum posts hah
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:33:00 - [3452] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 27/05/2007 21:26:47 Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Kerfira My stuff.. I'm not paying 10 dollars to read goons talk about bob. I'm asking you HOW it hurts the game. WHAT effect is there other than removing the APPEARANCE of corruption even if it doesn't exist. Oh, get real.... Tarnishing the games reputation across the net as they've done is directly equivalent to economic damage.... Originally by: Elmo Noguchi 1) Why are you ignoring the other 3 issues? ISD guy getting fired, RP events rigged, BoB admits to dev contact? Not ignoring them. 1. He was fired for abusing his ISD powers and not following ISD rules, which say he is to leave if players request him to, and that he may not interfere in the game (bumping dreads seems like interfering to me). Completely sensible. 2. The RP events were not rigged towards any PLAYER group, they were SCRIPTED (as in a D&D game) so the intended storyline for the game would continue as planned. Completely sensible. 3. I'm sure plenty of people know someone in CCP. I see no harm in that, unless they gain unfair advantage from it. Reporting an ISD member breaking the rules set for ISD seem a well reasoned use for such contacts to me. How anyone can claim that having a rule-breaking, game-interfering ISD member removed as fast as possible is 'Corruption' is beyond me. Originally by: Elmo Noguchi 2) Why is your answer to how they 'hurt the game' - "No, they orchestrated and timed it exactly this way because... THEY WANT TO HURT THE GAME." Why would they want that? How does this hurt it? HOW??? How do I know why the Goons wreck games for their amusement?? Ask them!!! As to how, look above.... I see your points- just disagree. I'd rather have an honest game experience even if it took some economic damage to do it. You can't dismiss any of the charges against CCP because you don't know anything more about them than the goons do. Your word on why it's ok is as empty to me as theirs is to you. Can you see where I'm coming from? Quote: 'm sure plenty of people know someone in CCP. I see no harm in that, unless they gain unfair advantage from it. Reporting an ISD member breaking the rules set for ISD seem a well reasoned use for such contacts to me. How anyone can claim that having a rule-breaking, game-interfering ISD member removed as fast as possible is 'Corruption' is beyond me. Because it was done at the request of players, using methods that other players don't have, and the punishment didn't fit the crime. I'm still flabbergasted that you and BoB people in this thread can say that it's okay to have outside connection to members of CCP. In any other professional business, that sort of thing is never accepted. It's completely out of the pale. Finally, I don't concede that causing publicity that DEBATEABLY caused economic damage in order to get past a stonewall is an attempt to destroy the game. You still haven't shown how the goons are trying to do that other than claiming it's their standard MO. Thanks for your well thought response.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:33:00 - [3453] Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 27/05/2007 21:27:46 Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Kerfira My stuff.. I'm not paying 10 dollars to read goons talk about bob. I'm asking you HOW it hurts the game. WHAT effect is there other than removing the APPEARANCE of corruption even if it doesn't exist. Oh, get real.... Tarnishing the games reputation across the net as they've done is directly equivalent to economic damage.... Originally by: Elmo Noguchi 1) Why are you ignoring the other 3 issues? ISD guy getting fired, RP events rigged, BoB admits to dev contact? Not ignoring them. 1. He was fired for abusing his ISD powers and not following ISD rules, which say he is to leave if players request him to, and that he may not interfere in the game (bumping dreads seems like interfering to me). Completely sensible. 2. The RP events were not rigged towards any PLAYER group, they were SCRIPTED (as in a D&D game) so the intended storyline for the game would continue as planned. Completely sensible. 3. I'm sure plenty of people know someone in CCP. I see no harm in that, unless they gain unfair advantage from it. Reporting an ISD member breaking the rules set for ISD seem a well reasoned use for such contacts to me. How anyone can claim that having a rule-breaking, game-interfering ISD member removed as fast as possible is 'Corruption' is beyond me. Originally by: Elmo Noguchi 2) Why is your answer to how they 'hurt the game' - "No, they orchestrated and timed it exactly this way because... THEY WANT TO HURT THE GAME." Why would they want that? How does this hurt it? HOW??? How should I know why the Goons wreck games for their amusement?? Ask them!!! As to how, look above.... Post with your main, please. Mains don't matter! The ideas are all that matter. Don't fall into the BoB elitism on this matter, it's one of the few places you guys are/were genuinely superior to them.
Del ReyII Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:34:00 - [3454] Geek Alert Reminds me of the ST:TNG episode: Drumhead :/
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:34:00 - [3455] Originally by: Itzena Edited by: Itzena on 27/05/2007 21:22:46 Edited by: Itzena on 27/05/2007 21:22:39 Originally by: Smith Originally by: Itzena Edited by: Itzena on 27/05/2007 21:19:14 Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Itzena Prove your alliance's innocence in these matters. How ? Yeah, well, that's not my problem. Maybe you and yours should have thought of that before you got into bed with CCP. Are you implying that Rod Blaine is in bed with CCP? Can you prove this? /points at his (and your) Alliance tag. Done. /points at your own Allaince tag. Goons got caught hacking the client, your a member, therefore I have just proved you should get banned. See... It's pretty stupid to generalise. -----
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:35:00 - [3456] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: eleuthereus WHERE IT STANDS SO FAR - 1. There was T20 incident Hurt us more then it did us any good. It also hasn't proven any close connection with devs that give is favours at all, that's what you make of it. Quote: I'm sorry, 'but hasn't proven any close connection with devs that give [us] favors'? I'm hoping you made a simple error here. Otherwise, your grasp on reality is shaky. How does this NOT show favoritism by a Dev towards you? If one dev gave you something, why not others? That's certainly a possibility. Though it doesn't show all devs favor you, it certainly opens the door for that, logically speaking. I think it best if you not try and use this example to disprove allegations of favoritism. Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/02/2007 23:20:58 But come on, at least give the devs a chance to fire t20. Hmm, still waiting.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:36:00 - [3457] Originally by: HankMurphy Ban ever person linked to escalating this witchhunt. If it were my game, and some cry babies like SA goons were throwing a fit over losing the war and decided to try and hit my pocketbook instead of lose with grace, you wouldn't have a member under your flag with an active account ! that would be ME 'doing what i had to do' Are you so abysmally dumb that you can't admit the possibility that this is somewhat correct and it would be bad if it was? You're actually so biased that you won't even ADMIT THE POSSIBILITY? You want to ban anyone open-minded enough to push for an investigation? You would have been a ****. Sorry to bring Godwin into it, but you straight up would have been one.
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:37:00 - [3458] Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Kerfira My stuff.... Post with your main, please. One of the usual responses on E-O when you see some unpleasant truths being exposed about you that you can't wiggle your way out of.... FYI, no, I'll not post with my main because I'll not have my main war'dec'd.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:38:00 - [3459] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Kerfira My stuff.... Post with your main, please. One of the usual responses on E-O when you see some unpleasant truths being exposed about you that you can't wiggle your way out of.... FYI, no, I'll not post with my main because I'll not have my main war'dec'd.... We agree for once. Attacking the person's character when yo u can't deal with their ideas is pretty silly.
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:38:00 - [3460] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Kerfira My stuff.... Post with your main, please. One of the usual responses on E-O when you see some unpleasant truths being exposed about you that you can't wiggle your way out of.... FYI, no, I'll not post with my main because I'll not have my main war'dec'd.... But we're already fighting BoB.... -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:39:00 - [3461] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: HankMurphy Ban ever person linked to escalating this witchhunt. If it were my game, and some cry babies like SA goons were throwing a fit over losing the war and decided to try and hit my pocketbook instead of lose with grace, you wouldn't have a member under your flag with an active account ! that would be ME 'doing what i had to do' Are you so abysmally dumb that you can't admit the possibility that this is somewhat correct and it would be bad if it was? You're actually so biased that you won't even ADMIT THE POSSIBILITY? You want to ban anyone open-minded enough to push for an investigation? You would have been a **. Sorry to bring Godwin into it, but you straight up would have been one. your calling me dumb and a **? but i guess if i said all Bob players cheat.. that would be ok? I said, if it were my game, thats what i would do. Its not dumb, if you were part of an organization that rallied support on an out of game website against me, then proceeded to ATTACK my website, all of them ALL OF THEM would be gone. period. I'd make an example of you. I'm not putting ppl in gas chambers, i'd be kicking them out of MY game. MY property.
Hachun K'ar	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:39:00 - [3462] Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Kerfira My stuff.... Post with your main, please. One of the usual responses on E-O when you see some unpleasant truths being exposed about you that you can't wiggle your way out of.... FYI, no, I'll not post with my main because I'll not have my main war'dec'd.... But we're already fighting BoB.... He meant BoB lovers war dec'ing him
Khorian Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:40:00 - [3463] Even if CCP refutes all points now, the damage to their image is done. It's all over the internet by now. Good job, you really must like this game. If you don't see whats wrong about this lynch-mob mentality I can't help you. We can be pretty sure by now that Sharkbait just did his job. This first point was blown out of proportion alot. A direct mail to IA would have probably solved the problem without tarnishing CCPs reputation. Lets wait and see about the other points. --------------------- This is the signature
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:40:00 - [3464] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 27/05/2007 21:40:45 Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: HankMurphy Ban ever person linked to escalating this witchhunt. If it were my game, and some cry babies like SA goons were throwing a fit over losing the war and decided to try and hit my pocketbook instead of lose with grace, you wouldn't have a member under your flag with an active account ! that would be ME 'doing what i had to do' Are you so abysmally dumb that you can't admit the possibility that this is somewhat correct and it would be bad if it was? You're actually so biased that you won't even ADMIT THE POSSIBILITY? You want to ban anyone open-minded enough to push for an investigation? You would have been a **. Sorry to bring Godwin into it, but you straight up would have been one. your calling me dumb and a **? but i guess if i said all Bob players cheat.. that would be ok? I said, if it were my game, thats what i would do. Its not dumb, if you were part of an organization that rallied support on an out of game website against me, then proceeded to ATTACK my website, all of them ALL OF THEM would be gone. period. I'd make an example of you. I'm not putting ppl in gas chambers, i'd be kicking them out of MY game. MY property. Okay, I understand now. I still think it's pretty silly to punish people who want a fair and level playing field, but I misunderstood the context. You ever been a leader or run a (real) business? You don't have to answer that.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:41:00 - [3465] Originally by: Khorian Even if CCP refutes all points now, the damage to their image is done. It's all over the internet by now. Good job, you really must like this game. If you don't see whats wrong about this lynch-mob mentality I can't help you. We can be pretty sure by now that Sharkbait just did his job. This first point was blown out of proportion alot. A direct mail to IA would have probably solved the problem without tarnishing CCPs reputation. Lets wait and see about the other points. Khorian, this has been a continuing point with you - where is it that CCP recommends emailling the IA? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks for your help.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:43:00 - [3466] Pushing for an investigation doesn't equal causing willfull damage to the company, And certainly not when the normal means of escalating things aren't even used to their full extent yet. Isn't that rather obvious ? [center] Old blog
Khorian Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:44:00 - [3467] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Khorian Even if CCP refutes all points now, the damage to their image is done. It's all over the internet by now. Good job, you really must like this game. If you don't see whats wrong about this lynch-mob mentality I can't help you. We can be pretty sure by now that Sharkbait just did his job. This first point was blown out of proportion alot. A direct mail to IA would have probably solved the problem without tarnishing CCPs reputation. Lets wait and see about the other points. Khorian, this has been a continuing point with you - where is it that CCP recommends emailling the IA? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks for your help. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=475706 The e-mail is [email protected] --------------------- This is the signature
Daveydweeb	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:47:00 - [3468] I notice that Arkanon's latest post on the matter fails to explain (or even mention) why CEO Pyrex's petition was deleted, or why CCP Sharkbait refused to talk to him. I pay by PayPal, so at this rate I'll probably just let my subscription die. I'm not sure I can afford to play EVE at all, and I find even less incentive in doing so when it means giving my money to a company that so profoundly misunderstands the value of transparency, or for that matter, credibility.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:48:00 - [3469] Edited by: Vantras on 27/05/2007 21:47:16 Page 12, post 345... Post that alone on any major gaming site..with an explanation as to who Dianbolic is and what BOB is in this game..... You dont need anything else. Not the petition about sharkbait, not the ISD guy getting fired, nothing. Just that THE major alliance in EVE, responsible for total domination is completely cozy with thier "FRIENDS" the developers in game and out of game. Add to it CCP's policy of fully encouraging thier devs/gm's to not only play the game but to actively particpate in fleet commanding, politics, trading, building ships, etc etc.. just add that...erase all the goonie accusations--use Dianbolics own words and CCP's own policy...that will be enough for CCP's to enjoy the reputation its currently developing.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:49:00 - [3470] Originally by: Tree Fiddy Looks to me the Goons are getting desperate. They thought numbers would do it for them but they are just to useless. Baseless accusations and poo stirring now seem to be the way forward. Why dont you get back to that slum that you call a forum and find some other MMORPG you can try and take over. You arent wanted here thats for sure. Goons definitely think that the war is more important than the overall level playing field of the game, you're right. Even though most of their issues don't even involve BoB, this must be a way to attack BoB. How could I be so blind!
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:50:00 - [3471] Edited by: Kerfira on 27/05/2007 21:51:50 Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Kerfira My stuff... I see your points- just disagree. I'd rather have an honest game experience even if it took some economic damage to do it. You can't dismiss any of the charges against CCP because you don't know anything more about them than the goons do. Your word on why it's ok is as empty to me as theirs is to you. Can you see where I'm coming from? That's true, but what I've done is apply a critical eye to the accusations brought forward (and found them lacking to say the least), noted that Goons gave CCP a paltry 4 hours (and 2 minutes) to handle a petition about it (and we all know that petitions are not handled fast), and also noted their VERY careful timing of this JUST at the end of a friday before a holiday weekend, and then of.c. their carefully orchestrated campaign against EVE outside of E-O. Based on that, and having read SA in the past, I have no doubt as to their real objectives, and they're far from anything like wanting issues resolved. Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Kerfira More of my stuff Because it was done at the request of players, using methods that other players don't have, and the punishment didn't fit the crime. I'm still flabbergasted that you and BoB people in this thread can say that it's okay to have outside connection to members of CCP. In any other professional business, that sort of thing is never accepted. It's completely out of the pale. Depends on how these contacts are used (please note that players across the game, not just in BoB, has contacts in CCP). I don't see a problem about reporting a rule-breaking, game-interfering ISD member by the fastest means possible. As for what punishment he received, that's CCP's decision and we don't know whether he'd infringed before. If you seriously believed that was ordered by a BoB member to a CCP employee, I advise you to lay off the tinfoil Anyway, thanks for your response. I'm off to bed.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Uruko North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:51:00 - [3472] pls goons. leave the game allready.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:52:00 - [3473] Originally by: Liang Nuren (including placing system cap limits in strategic systems so that $50k USD worth of dreadnoughts could be blown up) by GMs/Devs that have out of normal channel contact with BOB/Alliance/Coalition is, in my mind, worth a class action lawsuit. Swing... and miss. There is nor ever has been a system cap in place. Nice example of one of you guys shouting something then others repeating it untill it becomes 'truth'. [center] Old blog
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:53:00 - [3474] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Tree Fiddy Looks to me the Goons are getting desperate. They thought numbers would do it for them but they are just to useless. Baseless accusations and poo stirring now seem to be the way forward. Why dont you get back to that slum that you call a forum and find some other MMORPG you can try and take over. You arent wanted here thats for sure. Goons definitely think that the war is more important than the overall level playing field of the game, you're right. Even though most of their issues don't even involve BoB, this must be a way to attack BoB. How could I be so blind! Please... client hacks, bookmark bombs, systematic GTC sales, happy to use RA's exploited complex ISK. Yea goons just want a level playing field -----
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:53:00 - [3475] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Kerfira More of my stuff Because it was done at the request of players, using methods that other players don't have, and the punishment didn't fit the crime. I'm still flabbergasted that you and BoB people in this thread can say that it's okay to have outside connection to members of CCP. In any other professional business, that sort of thing is never accepted. It's completely out of the pale. Depends on how these contacts are used (please note that players across the game, not just in BoB, has contacts in CCP). I don't see a problem about reporting a rule-breaking, game-interfering ISD member by the fastest means possible. As for what punishment he received, that's CCP's decision and we odn't know whether he'd infringed before. If you seriously believed that was ordered by a BoB member to a CCP employee, I advise you to lay off the tinfoil We'll probably never know on this one- re: the IA guy. I still stand by my point that these outside connections (in any alliance) are unprofessional and outlandish.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:54:00 - [3476] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Liang Nuren (including placing system cap limits in strategic systems so that $50k USD worth of dreadnoughts could be blown up) by GMs/Devs that have out of normal channel contact with BOB/Alliance/Coalition is, in my mind, worth a class action lawsuit. Swing... and miss. There is nor ever has been a system cap in place. Nice example of one of you guys shouting something then others repeating it untill it becomes 'truth'. Of course there was a system cap. It wasn't put in there to surprise the goons, it was a method to prevent JV1V style crashes. What a ridiculous thing to say, though.
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:55:00 - [3477] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Liang Nuren (including placing system cap limits in strategic systems so that $50k USD worth of dreadnoughts could be blown up) by GMs/Devs that have out of normal channel contact with BOB/Alliance/Coalition is, in my mind, worth a class action lawsuit. Swing... and miss. There is nor ever has been a system cap in place. Nice example of one of you guys shouting something then others repeating it untill it becomes 'truth'. Of course there was a system cap. It wasn't put in there to surprise the goons, it was a method to prevent JV1V style crashes. What a ridiculous thing to say, though. Proof? -----
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:55:00 - [3478] Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Tree Fiddy Looks to me the Goons are getting desperate. They thought numbers would do it for them but they are just to useless. Baseless accusations and poo stirring now seem to be the way forward. Why dont you get back to that slum that you call a forum and find some other MMORPG you can try and take over. You arent wanted here thats for sure. Goons definitely think that the war is more important than the overall level playing field of the game, you're right. Even though most of their issues don't even involve BoB, this must be a way to attack BoB. How could I be so blind! Please... client hacks, bookmark bombs, systematic GTC sales, happy to use RA's exploited complex ISK. Yea goons just want a level playing field Bookmark bombs- stopped. GTC sales- legal. Why would RA give them any ISK? They have enough people to farm their own. Could someone link me to info on Goon client hacks? I've always only heard of it 2nd or 3rd hand.
Bartholomeus Crane	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:55:00 - [3479] Originally by: Vantras Edited by: Vantras on 27/05/2007 21:47:16 Page 12, post 345... Post that alone on any major gaming site..with an explanation as to who Dianbolic is and what BOB is in this game..... You dont need anything else. Not the petition about sharkbait, not the ISD guy getting fired, nothing. Just that THE major alliance in EVE, responsible for total domination is completely cozy with thier "FRIENDS" the developers in game and out of game. Add to it CCP's policy of fully encouraging thier devs/gm's to not only play the game but to actively particpate in fleet commanding, politics, trading, building ships, etc etc.. just add that...erase all the goonie accusations--use Dianbolics own words and CCP's own policy...that will be enough for CCP's to enjoy the reputation its currently developing. There's a lot of truth in this post. I'm getting more and more convinced that the current situation can not continue ... --
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.05.27 21:55:00 - [3480] Originally by: Cheng The bpo/bpo's were removed by CPP - 6 months after the fact, right? Only after somebody blew the whistle, and get all his accounts banned for doing it, right? Well whoopdee-s**t, if that doesn't prove the honesty and efficency of CCP nothing will. I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. there's no such thing as bad press

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