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Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:13:00 - [2371] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/05/2007 08:12:53 "For pure hilarity, I petitioned about GM policy concerning the allegations, that they should keep their trap shut until the investigation has been carried out. Guess who responded to my petition Yep. Edit: Yes that's right, dev conduct by GM Kutsu is being handled by.....GM Kutsu." JUst wanted to mention this again too..hey Arkanon, is this kosher? I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. there's no such thing as bad press
BlueOrca Gallente FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:15:00 - [2372] Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: BlueOrca Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: BlueOrca Originally by: Psyllus Ktenas Originally by: BlueOrca Originally by: Psyllus Ktenas Edited by: Psyllus Ktenas on 27/05/2007 01:45:02 Originally by: BlueOrca . . . Just leave and let me play the game that I like. How exactly are we holding you back from playing the game you like so much? Just hit that red X on the top right of your screen, maximise the EVE client and go play. Next time pls quote my entire post. And just underline the part that you want. There is no need for that. Again: How exactly are we holding you back from playing the game you like so much? I like to read the forums and play, but now I can't play because there is so much to read. Then don't read it, Especially if it pains you as much as you say it does. Why am i telling you what you want to do? Yes, why do you tell me what to do? Going out on a limb with this one, but is it because your corporation actually tried to sue one of our members over infiltrating your forums. Like for real? As in you are hear by ordered to stand trial in the case of finfleet versus internet goon spy? Like with lawyers and everything? Did i actually get that right or was it all a misunderstanding? I don't know, I was in Delta at that time.
jely	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:15:00 - [2373] Edited by: jely on 27/05/2007 02:18:05 Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Originally by: Mitch Manus Lots of Ifs and Buts but no definitve evidence to suggest Bob used a private line of communication direct to CCP to rectify this problem. for some the evidence will never be enough. EVER The evidence has been spoken directly from a BoB member Linkage at the bottom of the letter is stsaements of said communications Click the large heading on the top it send you to the goonfleet letten and some other stuff on the bototm
BlueOrca Gallente FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:16:00 - [2374] Edited by: BlueOrca on 27/05/2007 02:15:27 twin post
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:18:00 - [2375] Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: Toffles Originally by: fire 59 CCP, you have made a wonderful game which is thoroughly enjoyable to play. It has been infested with an entity who doesn't care about the community because they are there own community and will stop at nothing to kill the game it seems. Keep up the good work and don't let all teh assclowns get to you. Couldn't agree more. Now if only this entity would break it's ties with CCP and stop seeking out unfair advantages from the developers maybe we could stop the torrent of people canceling their subscriptions. BoB, through cheating, has done more to hurt this game than any other alliance. One more big scandal like this and Eve is over with no one but CCP and your alliance to blame. Im prett sure if all of Goonswarm canceled their subs, CCP could layoff all the ISD staff and GMS's they have to keep employed to handle the volumes of ** that get thrown at them because as an alliance GS cant take the fight ingame. I think laying off the probably numerous people they have to pay to keep SA members in check (both in game and out of game) is probably more then the amount of money they get from selling the GTC's to resellers who SA members buy from... So then why are you trying to keep stirring in a thread that is in your best interested to have stagnate and disappear off the forums? Oh and again with the baseless attacks about us using GTCs? Come on dude, We're not the ones in bed with the guys who make the godamn game here. I think I remember seeing a GS member post just a few hours ago in eve general forums. It was a response to someone who just got thier life savings blown up by high sec pirates, I think its ratter fitting to say back to you now. It was something along these lines: "I think you are forgetting this is a game. If you don't like something about it, there is nothing keeping you here. Complaining about it wont make it change. If you don't like it, the game wasnt made for you. Id ask for all your stuff, but since you got it all blown up, there is not much left I would want." I think its rather fitting pointed back at you considering your performance in the war no? ;p P.S. I used to like goonies, hell I used to be a goonie (not in eve), Ive even went to war with LUEsers (who I still cant stand for the very thing I dislike goonies for now) for goonies but in the end SA members are selfish. They have their own site, their own community, ect which means they dont really care what happens to communities that SA members ruin. That imo put SA's in the same boat as LUEsers. Thats why im slingin the mud back at you, because as a whole you guys give ** all about anything outside of your own. __________________________________________
Korillia	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:18:00 - [2376] I'm a pretty new player here. While these sorts of issues don't directly affect my level of game play, I find these allegations and the manner in which they were handled concerning. There is an old adage, 'There's no smoke without fire.' While I do not know enough to be able to say what happened here I can say this. These continued allegations of corruption, let's face it that is what we are dealing with here, wouldn't be popping up for no reason at all. I do not believe that the player base as a whole are a pack of lairs, I do believe that advantage has been by some corps from CCP actions. I'm a WOW convert and while Blizzard had their issues, corruption was never one of them. CCP, take your player base seriously. It is us who make you money, keep it fair, keep it transparent and be willing to admit you are wrong and provide redress when you are. Do this and you'll have not only the largest MMO universe but the most loyal player base.
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:21:00 - [2377] Originally by: Leodeus Originally by: raven415 Originally by: Paula Roscarai Wow, when i first came to this game i heard alot of stuff about BoB being cheaters and whatnot but i dismissed it as nerd jealousy, but the more of this stuff i read the more convinced i become that they truly ARE cheaters. Oh well.. i guess some peoples 15 a month is worth more then others. just because you read it doesn't mean its true. Yeah, I guess someone Photoshop'd all those screen shots too. And CCP created a special thread for this topic to be discussed, so I'm sure they did that because they know there is no merit to it whatsoever. No one needs to tell me to 'just stop playing' - my account has already been canceled. To give money to a company you cannot trust is just stupid - it's just a game. Find a new one if this one makes you unhappy, and hit them where it counts - in the wallet. Obligitory Shopped Link. __________________________________________
Ishara Da'Ahn Amarr Emanation Of Malevolent Outcries	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:23:00 - [2378] Wow... this thread is like an intellectual car wreck.... You just have to stop and look.
jely	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:26:00 - [2379] I cant wait to see the thread the stems from the CCP response to the investigation, Question, WHY HAVE POSTS BEEN REMOVED??? some i read yesterday are not here today
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:28:00 - [2380] Originally by: jely I cant wait to see the thread the stems from the CCP response to the investigation, Question, WHY HAVE POSTS BEEN REMOVED??? some i read yesterday are not here today Anything that discusses moderation will be removed. If you have a question about moderator actions or in game bans, there is a post a few pages back with an email addy. Most of those posts and non coherent dribble was removed ;p __________________________________________

Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:30:00 - [2381] Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: Toffles Originally by: fire 59 CCP, you have made a wonderful game which is thoroughly enjoyable to play. It has been infested with an entity who doesn't care about the community because they are there own community and will stop at nothing to kill the game it seems. Keep up the good work and don't let all teh assclowns get to you. Couldn't agree more. Now if only this entity would break it's ties with CCP and stop seeking out unfair advantages from the developers maybe we could stop the torrent of people canceling their subscriptions. BoB, through cheating, has done more to hurt this game than any other alliance. One more big scandal like this and Eve is over with no one but CCP and your alliance to blame. Im prett sure if all of Goonswarm canceled their subs, CCP could layoff all the ISD staff and GMS's they have to keep employed to handle the volumes of ** that get thrown at them because as an alliance GS cant take the fight ingame. I think laying off the probably numerous people they have to pay to keep SA members in check (both in game and out of game) is probably more then the amount of money they get from selling the GTC's to resellers who SA members buy from... So then why are you trying to keep stirring ** in a thread that is in your best interested to have stagnate and disappear off the forums? Oh and again with the baseless attacks about us using GTCs? Come on dude, We're not the ones in bed with the guys who make the godamn game here. I think I remember seeing a GS member post just a few hours ago in eve general forums. It was a response to someone who just got thier life savings blown up by high sec pirates, I think its ratter fitting to say back to you now. It was something along these lines: "I think you are forgetting this is a game. If you don't like something about it, there is nothing keeping you here. Complaining about it wont make it change. If you don't like it, the game wasnt made for you. Id ask for all your stuff, but since you got it all blown up, there is not much left I would want." I think its rather fitting pointed back at you considering your performance in the war no? ;p So the zinger you've been saving was the same thing that alts have been posting on quite literally every second page in this thread so far "If you don't like it, Quit"? If we didn't care for this community and we didn't care for this game why are we going through so much effort to try and shape it into how we believe it should be: A fair and level playing field? If we didn't care for all of this why wouldn't we have quit and gone played pirates of the burning sea like you say we should, seeing as how complaining is futile and that the most obvious exit is to quit now that our time in the 0.0 spotlight is over? And why are you trying to put a rift between you and us? Last time i checked we are an alliance in the game of eve and part of the community, not some interloper from the black abyss of the internets.
Phocas Lebournes Minmatar New Justice Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:31:00 - [2382] Originally by: jely I cant wait to see the thread the stems from the CCP response to the investigation, Question, WHY HAVE POSTS BEEN REMOVED??? some i read yesterday are not here today They didnt meet the required level of manlove.
Countess Kari Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:32:00 - [2383] I said it before and I'll say it again, personaly I do not see how CCP can allow their employees to play a game that they developed. There will always be a shadow of doubt, and from what I've seen this is the 2nd time something has popped up that makes people wonder. CCP's staff have all the insights to the game, know the ins and outs of the game, I feel that is not that fair over all. I realize rumors are just rumors, and I'll see what happens, but I am not really feeling that great about this game anymore knowing/thinking that CCPs allowing this. If CCP employees were not allowed to play Eve, I think it would make alot of the paying playerbase feel better, but at the same time, we all know Eve is a fantastic game, and CCPs guys love to play it too. If all this stuff they are saying about how this went down with a CCP employee joining a player Corp and all that without prior notification would be ok with me IF he was not also someone who played the game, because there is no way anything he saw while being in the player Corp could be concidered endangered.
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:32:00 - [2384] Originally by: jely I cant wait to see the thread the stems from the CCP response to the investigation, Question, WHY HAVE POSTS BEEN REMOVED??? some i read yesterday are not here today Posts that linked to digg, slashdot, Kugu, etc..any third party site that was tallking about this issue...gone, at least they were dropping within minutes last night. I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. there's no such thing as bad press
Sperrzone Stardust Heavy Industries Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:34:00 - [2385] I feel very sorry for every legit BoB Member and their Residents/ Pets/ Allies whatever. Every effort you made now has the bitter taste of possibly having a DEV helping you, just because some of your Directors have direct contact to CCP staff or are CCP Staff theirself. If i were a member of that alliance or a friend of them i would feel ashamed now...
FlamingErictilePhaillicy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:42:00 - [2386] This saddens me..... I really like the game but due to corrupt GMS I might be forced to quit.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:43:00 - [2387] Originally by: Sperrzone I feel very sorry for every legit BoB Member and their Residents/ Pets/ Allies whatever. Don't worry about me. I'd worry about how you are going to be spending a lot of time in Empire and won't be able to enjoy any of the new constellation sovreingty stuff if I were you, or maybe you could worry about how CCP has horrible policies and how they really need to fix something. But please, don't worry about me.
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:47:00 - [2388] OK,, I'll admit some error on my half, I havent been following the story, but if you havent noticed there's over 1000 posts, 95% of which can be filed as rhetoric ******s. But I've finally worked it out. Regardless of how true this statement is or not, this is about a BoB dreadnaught being bumped by an ISD reporter, and the fact that BoB was able to turn round to a dev over msn and get the ISD member kicked. WTF? This is not* worth the 91 pages that have been written. I'm going to continue paying for my account and enjoying eve and not read this thread again. What an utter load of ****. I was expecting something worthwhile following this at least of the calibur of the t20 accusations,, now I know what's going on I'm expecting someone to say 'Poo poo you smell like wiss' to the next poster. Christ,,,,
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:49:00 - [2389] Edited by: Mr Friendly on 27/05/2007 02:49:00 Quote: It was something along these lines: "I think you are forgetting this is a game. If you don't like something about it, there is nothing keeping you here. Complaining about it wont make it change. If you don't like it, the game wasnt made for you. Id ask for all your stuff, but since you got it all blown up, there is not much left I would want." I think its rather fitting pointed back at you considering your performance in the war no? ;p P.S. I used to like goonies, hell I used to be a goonie (not in eve), Ive even went to war with LUEsers (who I still cant stand for the very thing I dislike goonies for now) for goonies but in the end SA members are selfish. They have their own site, their own community, ect which means they dont really care what happens to communities that SA members ruin. That imo put SA's in the same boat as LUEsers. Thats why im slingin the mud back at you, because as a whole you guys give ** all about anything outside of your own. Wow... just wow... a) the goon's comment was likely directed in local reaffirming CCP's rules. That is, the goon blew people up using game mechanics (whether lame or not, they were game machanics) b)comparing this to Goon comments on actions of Dev's that allegedly contravene CCP's rules of acceptable in-game is simply laughable. Obviously the issue at hand is Dev's acting OUTSIDE of acceptable game mechanics. why are you comparing the two? they don't match up. Originally by:** Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/02/2007 23:20:58 But come on, at least give the devs a chance to fire t20. Hmm, still waiting.
Tara Diltani	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:50:00 - [2390] Curious, I know of the t2 lottery scandal, and have read half this thread, But long ago, was there not the exact same allegations leveled at dev help to the BoB of he time Mo0? I have heard varying degrees of support for the same behavior towards Mo0.. From old Mo0 members as well. Is this just a cycle of the devs wanting strong pirate corps? And doing anything to ensure they have them?

Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:50:00 - [2391] Originally by: Sperrzone I feel very sorry for every legit BoB Member and their Residents/ Pets/ Allies whatever. Every effort you made now has the bitter taste of possibly having a DEV helping you, just because some of your Directors have direct contact to CCP staff or are CCP Staff theirself. If i were a member of that alliance or a friend of them i would feel ashamed now... I feel bad for those loosing thier space without a fight If I were a member of that alliance or a friend of them i would feel ashamed now... __________________________________________
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:51:00 - [2392] lol, 90+ pages Still smells like a witch hunt. But at least I know the Goon debate technique. Bombard with posts, scream "PROOF!!", and if anyone debates and if even just for sake of argument accepts part of what you say, start screaming "FULL confession" Keep the waters so muddy and so loud that no one can be sure where the argument is going or has been, and SCREAM that any confusion on the part of those trying to dig through it is further PROOF. Having said all that, the only thing I see from this that MIGHT be true ("Might" as in "maybe, but NOT for sure") is that CCP employee allowed a player to accelarate a petition when contacted using an out of game chat. Because it is goons screaming, I have my doubts, but if true, its definately something that should not have happened. "If" it did happen, I'm sure there will be some additional rules laid down at CCP. But feel free to use it as an excuse to say "We cant win ONLY because the game company is against us!!! We quit!!!" and please send me your stuff if you do. Oh, and having the game company against you might just end up being a self fulfilling prophecy. From what I hear, you've trashed games before. Combine that with your treatment of CCP and you just might manage to generate real hostility. They are human too.
jely	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:51:00 - [2393] Edited by: jely on 27/05/2007 02:52:25 Originally by: BlueOrca Originally by: jely Originally by: BlueOrca Originally by: Sperrzone I feel very sorry for every legit BoB Member and their Residents/ Pets/ Allies whatever. Every effort you made now has the bitter taste of possibly having a DEV helping you, just because some of your Directors have direct contact to CCP staff or are CCP Staff theirself. If i were a member of that alliance or a friend of them i would feel ashamed now... Pls don't be sorry for me! I dont feel sorry for them, if a BoB member knows of the scandal but chooses to stay in that alliance then thats just something they have to live with, if you were a true legit player you would leave the alliance and not repp benifits from underhanded deals I am in no Alliance at the momment. And I am a legit player. then you have nothing to worry about, i also am not in any alliance and judgeing by the look of things i dont know if i want to, i have said it before this issue is a major conflict of intrest issue, THIS IS A BUISNESS and buisness and pleasure should not mix much like sex in the workplace should not neither should BOB be msn'ing with DEVS sorry CCP but if you work for the company you should cut all ties, and if they do how will we know if it's being done, that would be a trust issue and how many people on these forums can seriously trust CCP????? really it boils down to that, ask yourself if you trust CCP if so continue to play if not the quit, kinda like a relationship if you trust the girl/guy then they are a keeper of not let them go
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:54:00 - [2394] Originally by: Stahlregen So the zinger you've been saving was the same thing that alts have been posting on quite literally every second page in this thread so far "If you don't like it, Quit"? If we didn't care for this community and we didn't care for this game why are we going through so much effort to try and shape it into how we believe it should be: A fair and level playing field? If we didn't care for all of this why wouldn't we have quit and gone played pirates of the burning sea like you say we should, seeing as how complaining is futile and that the most obvious exit is to quit now that our time in the 0.0 spotlight is over? And why are you trying to put a rift between you and us? Last time i checked we are an alliance in the game of eve and part of the community, not some interloper from the black abyss of the internets. Actually the zinger is, I really don't care what you do. Play the game you want to play, try and complain loud and clear, whatever. There is no need however, to interrupt MY SERVICE THAT I PAY FOR to the forums because you have a vendetta against something. Your actions and THREADNAUGHT was uncalled for, disruptive and could have been avoided. Because you have a question the forums had to be shut down, which infringes on what I want to do with my playtime. If you think BoB infringes on what you do with your play time and thats why your panties are in a bunch, whats the difference between that now? Considering you infringed upon what thousands of people wanted to do but couldn't because you guys were to busy being *******s. __________________________________________
Cheval Blanc	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:55:00 - [2395] The response for RISE, FATAL, and BoB have been close to pathetic. Throwing ad hominem attacks at Goonswarm does not make this scandal go away. Instead of defending your reputation and arguing for what is right, you antagonize Goonswarm par usual. What do you take us, the EVE community, to be? We are no fools, and we will not pay a game run by scandals.
BMWM6	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:57:00 - [2396] Cliff notes please ? Between on going CCP Server problems, Lag problems, GM problems, Keep this up CCP looks like alot of you guys will be leaving Iceland and out of a job.
Lauren Evia	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:57:00 - [2397] Edited by: Lauren Evia on 27/05/2007 02:57:59 Quote: Actually the zinger is, I really don't care what you do. Play the game you want to play, try and complain loud and clear, whatever. There is no need however, to interrupt MY SERVICE THAT I PAY FOR to the forums because you have a vendetta against something. Your actions and THREADNAUGHT was uncalled for, disruptive and could have been avoided. Because you have a question the forums had to be shut down, which infringes on what I want to do with my playtime. If you think BoB infringes on what you do with your play time and thats why your panties are in a bunch, whats the difference between that now? Considering you infringed upon what thousands of people wanted to do but couldn't because you guys were to busy being *******s. aaaaaand.... the topic that they posted first, which was resonable, calm, and just asked a question, was deleted... why?
Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.27 02:59:00 - [2398] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Having said all that, the only thing I see from this that MIGHT be true ("Might" as in "maybe, but NOT for sure") is that CCP employee allowed a player to accelarate a petition when contacted using an out of game chat. I don't suppose you'd have a copy of that petition to hand would you?
BlueOrca Gallente FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.27 03:00:00 - [2399] Originally by: Cheval Blanc The response for RISE, FATAL, and BoB have been close to pathetic. Throwing ad hominem attacks at Goonswarm does not make this scandal go away. Instead of defending your reputation and arguing for what is right, you antagonize Goonswarm par usual. What do you take us, the EVE community, to be? We are no fools, and we will not pay a game run by scandals. I know you are not a fool. And you do not represent the EVE community. So pls stop paying and go play some other game that has no scandals.
Fluffernator	Posted - 2007.05.27 03:00:00 - [2400] Yeah, I think Its time to cancel my account..... Is it fair a BOB member can get a petition answered immediatly by msn and I have to wait two weeks?..... its kinda sad that ccp is meta gaming their own creation!



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