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Marquis Dean Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:33:00 - [361] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Marquis Dean *What if it's all horsesht and the Goons are just trying to kill the game for some reason or whatever? If there's more to this that isn't apparent? You're going to throw away two years of work for that? You're pathetic. my sentiments exactly Aww, and to think I tried to get you banned. --- Originally by:** Blacklight To be honest
Muff Joos	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:33:00 - [362] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mahavy Seth Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Dianabolic You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge? And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow. Get over yourselves. Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? (not directed at you, nyphur, jsut the general idiocy that is prevalent in this thread). So basically you do have a special line straight to the devs and presumably get special favors because of that? Thanks for confirming. We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS. Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots. It seems that BoB are the only Devs friends Oh really? Seleene doesn't speak to the dev team? Virtuozzo? TRIGGER never did? How about CYVOK? All of those people have Dev (and higher) contacts on their msn. What do you have to say to that? They shouldn't.
Wandarna	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:34:00 - [363] Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself. If you are so disapointed from the community, then please, just leave. I am thinking about ending my account and it is not because i do not like eve anymore, but it is because of this unbeleavable things that seem to happen. CCP please stop your employees to interfere with the game, or you will lose many customers, at least you will lose me.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:34:00 - [364] Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: Dianabolic You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge? And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? You don't see there being any problem with members of your alliance being close friends with game developers? You don't see there being a problem with you using that friendship to help your members during conflicts and get members of staff fired? Can you not even see why such relationships would be viewed very sceptically by other players? If it interferes with internal stuff, ofc there is a problem. If that is the case then yes, something is wrong. But you're trying to villify us for just KNOWING them. Can YOU not see there is something wrong with that? Quote: Originally by: Dianabolic Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? We don't have the same intimate ties to the developers you do so we're not privy to such information, sorry. It's hard to keep abreast of who is responsible for fixing which bugs when you don't have the luxury of daily chats with CCP employees. And what difference does it make to your gaming experience WHO fixes / contributes to fixing bugs? None? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Enaria Ferenic Amarr Ordo Ministorum	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:34:00 - [365] DEV misconduct/cheating/odd goings on....surely i've heard of this before??? As has been posted numerous times before...this thread will be allowed to grow for 24-28 hours and then it will be locked with some banal statement from CCP. We (the people who actually pay for the game and give the DEV's such an interesting playground), deserve better than this. DEV's/GM need to be whiter than white in their behaviour and totally above suspicion. With DEV's active in major alliances and a long history of odd GM/DEV related 'incidents', it is only natural that the player base is once again annoyed and dismayed by what looks like a total lack of regard and respect by CCP for them.
Shadow Elk	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:34:00 - [366] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself. Considering your name is on the chatlogs in part of this story, could you perhaps comment on that rather than simply voicing your discontentment with every single other eve player? You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge? And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow. Get over yourselves. Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? (not directed at you, nyphur, jsut the general idiocy that is prevalent in this thread). Just say NO to cheating! Shame on you nber cheater!
Sen Xia GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:38:00 - [367] Originally by: Dianabolic Seleene doesn't speak to the dev team? Virtuozzo? TRIGGER never did? How about CYVOK? All of those people have Dev (and higher) contacts on their msn. What do you have to say to that? 1.)That the possibility of developer conflict of interest has been proven before. 2.)That this thread seems to suggest it is still a problem. 3.)That you have come into this thread and have further supported our argument that there exists a conflict of interest between CCP developers and major entities of 0.0 So please, keep posting because you are really just making Bob and CCP look bad.
Acabou Se	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:38:00 - [368] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: Dianabolic You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge? And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? You don't see there being any problem with members of your alliance being close friends with game developers? You don't see there being a problem with you using that friendship to help your members during conflicts and get members of staff fired? Can you not even see why such relationships would be viewed very sceptically by other players? If it interferes with internal stuff, ofc there is a problem. If that is the case then yes, something is wrong. But you're trying to villify us for just KNOWING them. Can YOU not see there is something wrong with that? Quote: Originally by: Dianabolic Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? We don't have the same intimate ties to the developers you do so we're not privy to such information, sorry. It's hard to keep abreast of who is responsible for fixing which bugs when you don't have the luxury of daily chats with CCP employees. And what difference does it make to your gaming experience WHO fixes / contributes to fixing bugs? None? Please, keep posting. The hole you are digging yourself into is quite humorous. That hourly spawning 10/10 complex bug in your space sure did take a while to "fix".
Fray Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:38:00 - [369] Does anyone else find this really quite sad that all the posts are still split down the usual lines. Whatever the outcome, its fascinating/depressing to watch. On another note, I'm sure there are a bunch of people like me, who really aren't that bothered about the goings on - and just accept there will be misdeeds done on all sides eventually. What's really the problem is how everyone is always such*****s about it. BoBites just come out full of arrogance and spouting crap like 'they're only doing it cos they're losing/beat/dead/broke' and the other side is just 'omg BoD!"ú?!ú?!ú?!' - it'd just be nice if everyone would be a bit more civil and thoughtful, maybe the boards wouldn't make me what to break down and pray for mass genocide :/ Pointless I know, but then reading #e-o for many hours tonight has killed many braincells. - <@Cf'DigitalCommunist> D2, if you go to za'ha'delve, you will die. -
Shadow Elk	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:38:00 - [370] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Dianabolic Stuff Youve lied to many times to be trusted. Proof or stfu. Just say NO to cheating!
Jarryn Kell	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:38:00 - [371] Look, the fact of the matter is that this whole episode is symptomatic. I've only been playing this game for a couple of months, and already seen more allegations and evidence of developer misconduct than in the entire 20+ other years I've been playing games. From WWIV door games to MUDs to UO EQ and up through today, I've never even considered that such things as this would be an issue, for one simple reason: this kind of stuff KILLS games, KILLS companies. And CCP has allowed it to happen. As far as I'm concerned, whatever the truth of this, to even have these things come up AT ALL is a failure of leadership at the highest levels. And pretty sad, as I like this game, and am most likely going to quit over it.
Nicolas Tesla	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:39:00 - [372] why are you ignoring the Raekhan stuff? Why can BoB summon Admiral CHarmarjarajhkjshdf to fire ISD at will?
luminoll AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:39:00 - [373] Quote: You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge? have you guys ever heard of ethics? This is a harsh game. No player can be friends with anyone who might give them an advantage. Its a conflict of interest. Even if this is all BS, CCP screwed themselves but allowing employees to fraternize with players.
Poolpy dev zero	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:39:00 - [374] Originally by: Dianabolic All of those people have Dev (and higher) contacts on their msn. What do you have to say to that? It seem that you are quite sure about that, proof of stfu.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:39:00 - [375] It saddens me to say that I've run into two occasions where I'm almost certain a dev or GM was assisting BoB and their lackeys. The first was during the F-T siege where CCP imposed a 700-player cap without telling anyone (except BoB, it seems), resulting in us jumping 200-odd capitals into the system and our support fleet being unable to even attempt to fulfill their role - they couldn't even jumnp into the system. The second was when we moved into Fountain to attack Xelas (who hold the area for BoB). We put three POS in BYXF into reinforced, and when they came out 3 days later it was at FULL shields. Xelas was even able to put in more strontium, allowing them to go right back into reinforced. There was definitely no chance for Xelas to use shield transporters to recharge the shields - the 5 minutes between them coming out of reinforced and our capital gang sieging them wouldn't have been long enough to get anywhere near full shields; moreover, one of our allies, a SNIGG pilot, was in a covops an WATCHING as reinforced ended. There have been a number of other instances where I suspected something was amiss, but I'm almost certain of these two. I sincerely hope that the recent outcries have been heard and that CCP gives the state of their game and their relationship with the playerbase a good, hard look. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Muff Joos	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:39:00 - [376] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: Dianabolic You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge? And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? You don't see there being any problem with members of your alliance being close friends with game developers? You don't see there being a problem with you using that friendship to help your members during conflicts and get members of staff fired? Can you not even see why such relationships would be viewed very sceptically by other players? If it interferes with internal stuff, ofc there is a problem. If that is the case then yes, something is wrong. But you're trying to villify us for just KNOWING them. Can YOU not see there is something wrong with that? Quote: Originally by: Dianabolic Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? We don't have the same intimate ties to the developers you do so we're not privy to such information, sorry. It's hard to keep abreast of who is responsible for fixing which bugs when you don't have the luxury of daily chats with CCP employees. And what difference does it make to your gaming experience WHO fixes / contributes to fixing bugs? None? Could you please change the name of your alliance to "Band of Bunch of Really Great Guys who are only on msn ingame talking to Devs while fighting you to help with bug fixes."
Edwin VonPoopenScoop	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:40:00 - [377] CCP, you ask us for our trust. I ask you why should we trust you? The people who are in charge of keeping the game fair have a vested intrest in keeping their alts corp powerful. This is a conflict of interest pure and simple and it must end. I realise that eve is your game too, and that you want to be able to play it and have fun with all of us, and we would like you to be able to do so as well but this cannot continue. It MUST end or you will kill your golden goose. The simple fact is that with the current system there will continue to be misconduct by paid employees of CCP. Perhaps it is not malicious, but access to the knowledge and power that GM's, devs have WILL be abused. It's a part of human nature to use their own knowledge to benefit themselves, and that does not change no matter how nice of a person you are.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:40:00 - [378] This is why you do not recruit your employees from your player base and allow them to retain their status as active participants in player groups who can and will come into conflict with other player groups. Blizzard, for example handles employee cheating and misconduct correctly. They fire employees who transgress instead of trying to make it disappear. The funny part is that GM cheating in WoW has almost no impact on other player's game experiences (dying in pvp barely matters) while any cheating or information sharing in EVE can have massive impact on hundreds of players due to the player driven nature of EVE itself. So why does blizzard handle it professionally and CCP not? Has it gotten to the point where too many of the CCP employees and volunteers were recruited from the players? If so, there needs to be some serious restructuring. Certain people need to take a step back and have a critical look at what they are doing and what effect it is having on a game that thousands of people are trying to enjoy fairly.
BuyN Sell	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:40:00 - [379] Originally by: Dianabolic You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge? And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow. Get over yourselves. Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? (not directed at you, nyphur, jsut the general idiocy that is prevalent in this thread). So you have a direct method of contact to CCP to fix bugs? Does this method bypass the petition system? If so don't you think this constitutes a significant advantage that the "normal" player base does not get? The fact that a "normal" player base and some sort of priveleged friends of CCP player base exists is terrible. Blacklight during the last scandal you knowingly permitted CCP employees to stay in your corporation. Your words on this matter are the last that anyone should listen to. You have no credibility left and have not for a long time.
Zindzhi	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:40:00 - [380] Okay, I want to quit and get a full refund for time played. I feel completely cheated by CCP, and this invalidates all time, money and effort spent on Eve. Who do I contact for my refund? Thanks. PS: CCP: Grow some professionalism. You have utterly disqualified yourself, for the last time. Thanks.
Kesslar Znel Exegesis Aerospace GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:41:00 - [381] Originally by: Dianabolic If it interferes with internal stuff, ofc there is a problem. If that is the case then yes, something is wrong. But you're trying to villify us for just KNOWING them. Can YOU not see there is something wrong with that? The problem is that apparently it did cause a problem and got an ISD guy banned. I know a lot of people here think that there should be an iron curtain between CCP and the players. I don't think there should be. But it certainly appears that it goes beyond that. But right, that could never happen because of NDAs, they'd loose their job, "proof or stfu", etc. Could never ever ever (t20) ever happen. Could it?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:41:00 - [382] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/05/2007 01:40:28 Originally by: Wrayeth It saddens me to say that I've run into two occasions where I'm almost certain a dev or GM was assisting BoB and their lackeys. The first was during the F-T siege where CCP imposed a 700-player cap without telling anyone (except BoB, it seems), resulting in us jumping 200-odd capitals into the system and our support fleet being unable to even attempt to fulfill their role - they couldn't even jumnp into the system. Local never exceeded 500 in F-TE, as far as I know. The cap was a myth made up by the Coalition. Yes, the lag was absolutely absurd, but there was no cap as anyone who got in the system can tell you. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Shadow Elk	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:42:00 - [383] Edited by: Shadow Elk on 26/05/2007 01:42:12 Adress the Raekhan situation would you? Then adress the fiddeling with goons.. Bout damn time anything that didnt smell of menour came out of ccp.
luminoll AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:43:00 - [384] CCP allowing fraternization with players. See thats the problem. The damage is done.
ApathyKills	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:43:00 - [385] Originally by: Stoned Celt Originally by: Poolpy Originally by: Daveydweeb Edited by: Daveydweeb on 26/05/2007 01:09:51 Edited by: Daveydweeb on 26/05/2007 01:07:49 The story has been Slashdotted. That means it has now received coverage there, at Digg and IGN \o/ yay, front page on slashdot, gg CCP. Continue like this, and your customer will be only farmer and BoB player! I find it disturbing that you find that this is something to celebrate. You only seem interested in destroying what is essentially a great game. When drastic change is needed, drastic steps must be taken. What you're failing to realize is that the majority of people who play eve LOVE eve. It's a one of a kind game. It's visually amazing, tactically stimulating, and unfortunately as rigged as Vegas. What the Goons have done is back CCP into a wall where it's only option is to acknowledge that there is a problem, resolve it, and regain the trust of the player-base and the general public, or deny it/cover it up and lose all it's gone so far to gain. Consider this a revolution of sorts. Watch V for Vendetta if you still can't understand.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:43:00 - [386] The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards. Or at the real world angle to the gaming activities of the people you ally yourselves with. Why am I not surprised that SA goons have also started spamming sladhdot and digg too? If you're really interested in the truth, you'd wait for CCP to post their side before spamming this all over the place. You would even be able to wait until CCP says something that you supposedly have "proof" otherwise, and make them look all the more like liars. But no, it's much better to raise hell and get as much attention as you can, and keep spamming the allegations for the off chance that people that read take it at face value, you'd even create these people if you had to, if only to make it appear that 3rd party individuals actually do believe something wrong is going on. If you really hated how CCP run EVE for legitimate reasons, you'd just quit and stop paying them. But no, you have a real axe to grind, and want to take the game down. It's not enough that you stop paying CCP for their game, you want other people to stop paying too, so that CCP gets hurt more. Would you get geek cred by being able to claim that you pwned EVE? Most of you play this game because of a desire to ridicule the stereotype of the playerbase, just like what you did with Second Life. At this point, I don't know of CCP even thinks it's worth putting up with goon antics just for their monthly subscriptions. Perhaps goons anticipate that too, and thus want to make their monthy subscription worth more in that they would seek to influence other players to make their pressure group weigh more in the eyes of CCP. At any rate, when you do leave EVE, I hope it would be after your fleets learn to focus fire on primaries. It requires the same discipline as copying and pasting the same text all over the forums.
KeratinBoy	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:43:00 - [387] Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Any RPG session that respects itself (and has a semi competent DM) has this storyline where the players are there to unfold a plot that already exists in the mind (or scripts) of the DM. True, to a given value of true. PCs will always do the unexpected, as any competent GM knows. Quote: So the rigging that Graelyn is talking about (with the exception of some mischiefs another member did) are in fact the outlining of the plot and where the DUNGEON MASTER (CCP in this case) wants to lead the storyline. It's perfectly logical for this to exist. And some around here fail to grasp that simple logic. True. That is where they would like to see the storyline lead but rigged is not the same as guided. Quote: Trying to raise a fuss about it only shows how ignorant you are, and how much venom you keep in your mouth trying to spit it all over not considering where and why. An irrelevant personal attack. Quote: As for the whole deal with him getting the ban from ISD i am sorry to hear that and i would expect that somehow CCP will make sure that none of the personnel hired by CCP is abusing (and/or being abused by players that know him/her) his powers over anything. Ideally true. Quote: And someone who said about the Dread being in siege mode. Hey the letter says nothing about that only that he double checked that he didn't bump it. Also 1ft away is never a good idea since that means 0m and in fact can be considered bumping, i guess. Possibly, although CCP have an horrendous track-record in these matters.
Dyeadmheet Caldari Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:43:00 - [388] The sad fact here is that this kind of distrust with CCP is going to continue until everyone who's a developer or has any kind of special access to the database or anything within the game is disallowed from playing it. I hate to say that since I'd like to be a developer if I could, and I'd still want to play, but there's just no way to really resolve all of this and still allow developers to play the game. There's a deep conflict of interests here and everyone knows it. The problems are NOT going to go away until the conflict of interests is removed. As long as the conflict of interests continues, distrust and suspicion will continue. No amount of reassuring PR talk is going to make any real difference. Really, people don't need access to the database to abuse their privileges as developers. The simple knowledge of the invention success rate function would allow one to make a MASSIVE profit especially before the restrictions on datacores were removed.
Aramark Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:44:00 - [389] well after being banned for all week for asking questions about something simlar in the week. i'm afraid to add more than that cus i think CCP will premaban all my accounts....... CCP is bob bob is CCP this has been known for months. and CCP will not do anything about it. --------------------------------------------------- "Roses are red, Violets are blue, I'm a developer, are you one too?"
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:47:00 - [390] Edited by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on 26/05/2007 01:46:42 Originally by: Vozzek Originally by: Dianabolic We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS. Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots. You received preferential treatment from CCP and your best excuse is that you are friends with them? I'll have to keep that one in mind if I'm ever accused of rigging a game in my favor in collusion with the people running the game as, "but they were my friends!" seems like a totally airtight defense. If you can't see why this amounts to a total lack of professionalism on CCP's part I don't know what to say to you. Enjoy your delusion, I guess. Hey, listen, the Bush Administration may have made some corrupt deals with Halliburton, but a lot of them are friends! It's totally ok!

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