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Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:12:00 - [841] Originally by: SenorApples Also Some of these allegations might have happened, and a Giant Taco might have built the Empire States Building So BoB do not in fact keep in regular contact with devs via out of game means?
Penea	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:12:00 - [842] Originally by: Phelan Driscoll Originally by: Orange Species Quit whilst your not ahead. You're a much better troll than the OrangeSpecies that works the morning shift. He's a better POS bowler though. An ISD member accidently uses an indestructible ship (as allegedly by a certain, unnamed party) to disrupt gameplay and they are terminated as per the request of that certain party; meanwhile, the same certain party purposefully use (for all effective purposes) an indestructible ship to disrupt gameplay and it is catagorically not called an exploit and nothing is done (although the majority of the EVE community disagrees on CCP's ruling on POS bowling.) The irony is lost on me, but the reality is not; it's not how you play the game, but rather, who you know in the game. I salute you Goons, the true heroes of EVE.
Nathaniel Hull Caldari 808 Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:13:00 - [843] The fact is the devs should not for reasons of conflict of intrest play the game as characters in player corporations and alliances. They can adaquetly do their job without such involvement. More direct contact can be made to gain insight without playing a charcter aiding or taking sides. Frankly CCP needs to start acting like a real company instead of a gaggle of buddies out for drinks in Rekyavik and London.
Aramark Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:14:00 - [844] Originally by: KSUDruid Edited by: KSUDruid on 26/05/2007 03:44:40 Goodbye Goons.. It's been great knowing ya. Now you've got your excuse to leave, because it's impossible you could have gotten beat fair and square. POTBS is that way, go zerg another game and claim you're uber, no one here cares anymore. what is this "fair and square" you speak of? --------------------------------------------------- "Roses are red, Violets are blue, I'm a developer, are you one too?"
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:20:00 - [845] unless most of you are alts 99% of people in here arent affected by any of this crap - wich is still find to be a false story spammed by sad kids ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:21:00 - [846] Originally by: SenorApples Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: SenorApples Also Some of these allegations might have happened, and a Giant Taco might have built the Empire States Building So BoB do not in fact keep in regular contact with devs via out of game means? Are you off your meds? Learn to read 'might' is not a synonm for is or proof or fact. O wait Goonswarm Cant Read On the pro-side, at least they can spell.
Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:21:00 - [847] Originally by: SenorApples Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: SenorApples Also Some of these allegations might have happened, and a Giant Taco might have built the Empire States Building So BoB do not in fact keep in regular contact with devs via out of game means? Are you off your meds? Learn to read 'might' is not a synonm for is or proof or fact. No but BoB's chief diplomatic saying they do comes pretty damn close.
PriestWithKnives	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:22:00 - [848] Wow it's like a mini coad in here. Alright points of note without all the posturing. Three different stories but the one that's gotten the most attention thanks to bob posts would be: ISD guy gets close to BoB dreads and takes pictures for his news report, BoB gets annoyed with him there and tells him to leave the system he's too close if people wanted news reports they can hear it from the combatants, no one knows if this is true or not as far as how close he was to the dreds. The ISD tries to make a joke after being talked to rudely by orange species who then gets on MSN and gets GM Admiral something into the ISD IRC within a minute who then tells the ISD person to go and that he is embarrassing CCP by telling Orange Species, "no" when Orange Species demands that he leave the area. It's the ISD and as far as I know they're allowed to be at 270+ fleet engagements to report on them. After a few hours he's also summarily banned from all of his accounts by this same GM. Later on in this thread Dianabolic lets everyone know that BoB higher ups talk to GMs regularly and they're friends and do chat on MSN. This has caused fallout pretty much everywhere as there are clear conflict of interests presented by this such as what happened to the ISD guy. BoB has mostly been saying it's fine for them to be friends with GMs and that nothing is wrong with that at all. Quite a few people have been bringing up points against it when it leads to instant action taken in EVE and completely circumventing the petition system which also helps to make a log of events to help the Internal affairs department of CCP actually do it's job, read t20 and fallout from there.
Akelorian Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:22:00 - [849] All I will say is if this turns into another covered up scandal like with the t2 bpo's I am done with eve. No point playing a game where the dev's favour one side and crap on the other. Then once something is uncovered they go right ahead, close the forums, delete the posts, and put out some garbage reply to the issue's. Once was acceptable, twice is just a shame. I expect my post to be deleted like last time, and a lovely little e-mail telling me that voicing my opinion isn't allowed and that next time I will be banned from posting on the forums. Thank you for that mods :)
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:22:00 - [850] Originally by: SenorApples Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: SenorApples Also Some of these allegations might have happened, and a Giant Taco might have built the Empire States Building So BoB do not in fact keep in regular contact with devs via out of game means? Are you off your meds? Learn to read 'might' is not a synonm for is or proof or fact. Did you miss BoB Chief Diplomat Dianabolic's posts?
BuyN Sell	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:23:00 - [851] Originally by: SenorApples Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: SenorApples Also Some of these allegations might have happened, and a Giant Taco might have built the Empire States Building So BoB do not in fact keep in regular contact with devs via out of game means? Are you off your meds? Learn to read 'might' is not a synonm for is or proof or fact. O wait Goonswarm Cant Read Why don't you answer the question?
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:24:00 - [852] Originally by: Akelorian All I will say is if this turns into another covered up scandal like with the t2 bpo's I am done with eve. No point playing a game where the dev's favour one side and crap on the other. Then once something is uncovered they go right ahead, close the forums, delete the posts, and put out some garbage reply to the issue's. Once was acceptable, twice is just a shame. I expect my post to be deleted like last time, and a lovely little e-mail telling me that voicing my opinion isn't allowed and that next time I will be banned from posting on the forums. Thank you for that mods :) No, you'll probably get away with this one since CCP has diverted all discussion to this info forum that, really, no one reads anyway.
Poolpy dev zero	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:24:00 - [853] Originally by: SiJira unless most of you are alts 99% of people in here arent affected by any of this crap - wich is still find to be a false story spammed by sad kids Perception is important. If you know that in the game you play somenone have a unfair advantage, even if you will never interact with him, would you still play it? PS. they said the same thing about the t20 thingy about the "false story", with ccp, you never know (sadly)...
Metal Face	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:24:00 - [854] Originally by: JeevesBond Originally by: Dianabolic And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow. Get over yourselves. Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Stop whining and go back to syndicate and come back once you have the SP to take bob on instead of trying to drag their good name through the mud. That is how eve works, get over it. So, unless I'm mistaken, these posts are the closest to an official response we, the Eve community, has recieved. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this what I have been paying CCP for? We ask for transparency, accountability and some customer service. The response? 'Get over it.' I'm taking these quotes as offical due to their ties with CCP. That would be unfair under normal circumstances, however CCP staff have chosen to be affiliated with these people, that affiliation implies endorsement in my opinion. Originally by: dianabolic Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? I have never been asked to comment, nor was I aware that bugs were fixed due to your relations with CCP. I'd like to complain now that I am aware though, bitterly. No bug fixed is worth this scandal or the anger and disgust felt by so many honest players. Bugs can be worked around and fixed, the loss of trust caused by this cannot. No matter how much you deny it, or try to spin this scandal, you have ruined this game for a lot of people. Myself included. YES
Filthy Pierre Gallente Laughing Fox Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:26:00 - [855] Dear CCP, these problems with allegation of company interference in the game, etc. are starting to become a little unsettling. One thing that's definitely contributing to the problem is CCP's mishandling of the situation and seeming lack of "openess" in responses, remedial actions and keeping the customer base informed. You guys could be absolutely innocent of all charges this time around but the nature of your responses are such that they make you seem to be trying to shovel the kitty litter over the mess and hoping that nobody notices. I worked in software technical support and sales support for many years and I have to admit I cringe when I see some of the ways you handle customer dissatisfaction - it only takes one negative experience with a company for a customer to develop an extremely bad opinion of said company. A minute's lack of thought can make an enemy out of a customer and it can take months, if not years, to repair the damage done. If all that CCP wants to do is to polish the company and game to maximize the size of the buyout offer when it's made, that's one thing - but if CCP really does care about the game and the customer you need to take some drastic action in order to repair the damage your reputation has suffered thus far and to convince the customer base that you really do care about them. No, this is not about 'OMGnerfBoD!" or anything like that, this is about putting tools and systems in place that can help restore a company's professional reputation with its customer base and give that customer base the reassurance that it needs that they do, in fact, matter to CCP and that the customer's satisfaction and game experience is the most important thing to CCP bar none! Look, please, get some professional help in setting up a functional customer relations department. Add real time handling of problems, not just petitions and email, add a window into what you're doing for the customer that he/she can use to both be informed and to be reassured that they're not being ignored. Developer blogs were a step in that direction but developers, with all the goodwill in the world, are NOT the best thing to have as your sole interface with the customer. You need to acquire dedicated professionals who will go to bat for the customer against those developers if necessary and who understand that ultimately it's the customer who keeps the electric bill paid and pays your salary that keeps you able to pay your rent or mortgage. C'mon guys, time to be more than just a developer's company with a great game - time to grow some more and become a software company with a great game and terrific customer support! I love the game, that's why I'm still playing it even though I don't fully trust it. As a customer support professional I have to wonder what the hell CCP is thinking and hope that they'll at least buy a few guides to customer support or something...anything to start them getting clued in. My rule - Customer is number one - always - he pays my rent! Make that yours too and you won't go far wrong. Regards, FP
Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:26:00 - [856] Originally by: Orange Species i don't think anyone else needs to post here tbh, just let goons/goon alts go on a rampage, they make themselves look more like idiots than any of us could make them look :) No wonder you normally have a perm-forum ban :) *awaits replies from goons of wargh off-topic wargh, deflection,wargh but but but but but" Quit whilst your not ahead. From the "dial a Dev\GM man" himself. Compelling /sarcasm off
HoTTACP Gallente SOTI Inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:29:00 - [857] This entire story is disheartening. I for one want to hear a response that speaks to the relatively intelligent nature of the EVE community. Also, it's just in poor taste to refrain from communicating the intentions or grounds for your actions to the people whom those actions affect! If this is true, I believe someone should have to answer.. Oh well, while I hope that this isn't true, I don't know that I'll ever be able to think about paying my subscription as happily and quickly as before. To self: Please don't let this be true!
Teadrinker	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:29:00 - [858] I don't know exactly what happened, but this is ridiculous. The solution is obvious: you don't let CCP developers play, except on the test server. The only CCP employees who play on the real server are GMs who work under strict supervision from a big room in CCP's office, and who have no other role than to deal with player complaints. Do this or die. It's that simple.
squidgee GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:29:00 - [859] Edited by: squidgee on 26/05/2007 04:28:18 Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad I'm not bob, I just made a typo besidies, you need to stfu until your alliance can actually hold your space Bob has just tried to be friendly to the people who made this game nad you're trying to destroy it. if you really liked eve you'd shut up and get in touch with eve before whining on the forums. Your alliance is already ruining hte game with spies and lag exploits and crapping up 0.0 with your noobs who don't deserve to be there, you don't need to do any more to hurt the game. All of you goonies need to stop posting and hyurting eve. I'm pretty tired of this tactic. We're not hurting EVE. You are. BoB hurts EVE every time they cheat and collude with CCP. They hurt the game by getting an unfair advantage and making players like me want to quit. If enough people get disgusted with this game because of your actions you won't have an old boys club to run to, because EVE won't exist anymore. The fact is that a dev was in a GS corp for some reason. That reason was not a customer service request. There was no bugged POS. The fact is that BoB is in touch with Devs and GMs. The fact is that BoB gets preferential treatment and favors from those CCP employees. Spin it however you want to, but the fact is that BoB is cheating. It needs to stopped.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:30:00 - [860] Well, this is a game breaking scandal as far as I am concerned. Unless the serious issues brought up are not dealt with in a transparent manner that fully explores Developer/Player involvement and permanently severs the tie between Dev's and their alleged friends, this game is not worth my time or money. I understand Dev's have in game friends etc, but ALL contact between a Dev and a non-dev that relates to gameplay advantages (rather than something like bug-reporting), MUST follow official lines of communications that ALL players have equal access to. I can't just call up a Developer and have a quick 'chat'. If I can't, neither should anyone else. Remember: I pay for the game, too. Not knowing a Dev personally should not matter AT ALL vis a vis gameplay advantages. Originally by: Ductoris In any case I fully support the need for large diameter projectiles for Rodent disposal. Those little buggers are crafty.
Krakcheese	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:31:00 - [861] This is the 3rd offense by a CCP employee in the last few months that I've heard about. And at no time have I felt CCP is doing the right thing in any of the cases. I'm voting with my money. Bye.
Arric Rohr The Knights Templar Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:32:00 - [862] Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate Originally by: WhitePhantom Edited by: WhitePhantom on 26/05/2007 03:56:41 Originally by: Arric Rohr It's a shame, this is a great game. However, it feels corrupted, because there is too much of this kind of thing. Whether it actually is corrupted or not is almost immaterial. CCP needs to take a strong action, now, to fix this. There can be no hint of the people running the game being involved in any way with what is going on inside. I think all people who work for CCP should not be allowed to have characters, nor should they have contact about the game with players. Sorry if that seems like an infringement on your personal life, but, you know, too bad. If you want to make a sandbox for you and your friends to play in, go ahead, but don't charge other people money for it. AR We don't even know what happen. So how can there be "to much of it" happening? We have one side, a side that could be not telling the truth for all we know, who will do anything to "defeat" the otherside. I think both sides are wrong, mainly the people who spammed the forum You've been in this thread for how long? and you don't know what happened? Do you really need links to the Dian posts stating that "Yes we have direct contact with the people who are supposed to be objective, we are cheating, get over it". Yeah. Clearly something happened, and that's the point. All this goon/BoB namecalling and finger pointing is clouding a simple issue. I pay $15 or so a month to play a game. One of the things I pay for is knowing that the rules of the game apply to everyone the same. Twice now, that I know of, CCP has admitted that they don't. There are unsubstantiated claims that it happens more than that, but two is still two many. AR Where do I get one of those cool signatures?
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:32:00 - [863] Lets make a quick summary of the last 6 months events uncovered and proven in eve and BoB's and CCP's reactions about them: 1) It is uncovered that a director of RKK (a member corp of BoB) was actually a Dev and the other directors as well as the CEO were aware of it. - BoB strongly denied this at the forums and tried to discredit the person who disclosed the information; - Sirmolle reveals real life information about the said person in the forums and make a real life threat against him; - After the community showed outrage T20 ended confessed it was true. - CCP banns the guy who disclosed the information and leaves Sirmolle, who croke the EULA, alone; 2) It comes to light that BoB received illegal T2 bpos - BoB denied and called the people who where outraged by it "Tinfoil Bandwagers" trying to disregard the allegation with a "ad hominem" fallacy; - The community does not buy it and T20 posts an oppen letter confessing the spawn and the previous allegation; - CCP does nothing about the matter - BoB changes the line from "no we never received anything." to "It does not make any difference" Now it is shown that they still have unfair advantages in the form of CCP contacts and information that shouldn't be available to them. A kind of information that could be the motive they blew ASCN and D2 Titans. But that is just speculation on my part. But it is undenyable that BoB's relations with CCP employees brought to light are inadequate. There is no such a thing as recurring coincidences. Your name can't appear multiple times by accident as the lottery winner or as a falsary if you are not one. To all those that are [n]not[/n] cheater or exploiters and are members or allies of BoB. The fact that you unconditionally defend those that are, to the point of lying, denying the obvious and trying to discredit their accusers, makes you pathetic. Have some dignity and kick them out of your lives. Or admit at least that you like to win so much that cheating and knowinly benefiting from cheater advantages is ok to you. As long as you can beat your chest and say, "Look how ubber I am" To CCP, the way you are dealing with this is sickening. Just do as everybody else in this world who runs a serious company and take your employees from situations where they have conflicts of interest. You want they playing the game, nice, place them in their own corp in Jovian space, or doing missions in Empire. It is impossible to prevent people entwined with factions in a highly competitive game from cheating to their benefit. Especially when the most effective and utterly untraceable cheating in this game is just to reveal ingame information. I trully hope one of 2 things happen. Either you start to act as adults and a serious company, instead of behaving as a bunch of kids playing a game, or you fail as company and bankrupt. This way you will serve at least as an example to future developers of games.
Elmo Zumwalt	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:33:00 - [864] This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Period. CCP, be more professional.
G Khan	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:35:00 - [865] All these BoB posts defending CCP assure me the allegations have no merit. Even though they admitted to having IM-relations with the devs and GMs, BoB flies with eHonor and would never abuse those privledges.
Zchiavo	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:35:00 - [866] Originally by: squidgee Edited by: squidgee on 26/05/2007 04:28:18 Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad I'm not bob, I just made a typo besidies, you need to stfu until your alliance can actually hold your space Bob has just tried to be friendly to the people who made this game nad you're trying to destroy it. if you really liked eve you'd shut up and get in touch with eve before whining on the forums. Your alliance is already ruining hte game with spies and lag exploits and crapping up 0.0 with your noobs who don't deserve to be there, you don't need to do any more to hurt the game. All of you goonies need to stop posting and hyurting eve. I'm pretty tired of this tactic. We're not hurting EVE. You are. BoB hurts EVE every time they cheat and collude with CCP. They hurt the game by getting an unfair advantage and making players like me want to quit. If enough people get disgusted with this game because of your actions you won't have an old boys club to run to, because EVE won't exist anymore. The fact is that a dev was in a GS corp for some reason. That reason was not a customer service request. There was no bugged POS. The fact is that BoB is in touch with Devs and GMs. The fact is that BoB gets preferential treatment and favors from those CCP employees. Spin it however you want to, but the fact is that BoB is cheating. It needs to stopped. No see, the Dev was just doing his job. He was getting ready to play a game of 'Hot and cold' with a few BoB scouts as to the location of some POSes. You see, the dev's job is to ensure that the people who have played this game for FOUR WHOLE YEARS don't get bored, and morning shift Orange Species loves games of hot and cold.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:36:00 - [867] Edited by: Karlemgne on 26/05/2007 04:39:59 Wow. I mean really, wow. Tbh, this looks really bad, guys. I'm not going to make any grandiouse statements like, "I'm leaving EvE," but I will say that you'd never ever see this kind of thing on any other major commercial MMO. -K Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Gjs312 Caldari Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:37:00 - [868] I can help but find it hilarously entertaining that this managed to get turned into a bob vs coalition flamewar. Developer cheating and game rigging is bad for everybody people; not just for ds1, not just for goonswarm, not just for "the coalition". Everyone. CCP: you guys need to get on this stat and prove to your paying customer base that they are not just peons that the game creators can beat in a rigged game, and that your own internal investigation is more then just damage control when something like this leaks to the public. You will be losing a lot more subscribers then just goonswarm over this. I've heard lord of the rings online is pretty good...
Diomedes Godshill Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:38:00 - [869] Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious any proof? You know your idiot corp members have petitioned him about 10 times aleady. The account sharing of Orange Species is a lot like gravity (lol analogy). Everyone knows what's going on but there's no mathematical proof.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:38:00 - [870] Sigh... guess its time to bring back my signature which mysteriously disappeared awhile ago... -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."

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