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Elle Owurl	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:08:00 - [901] Dear CCP, Your staff needs to stay well above reproach at all times. The incidents as reported -- even if only containing part of the truth -- show suspicious, questionable, and dishonest behaviour. Show some transparency, end any behaviour that could even be misconstrued as improper, and then you might have our trust back.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:08:00 - [902] It's clear from the constant smacktalk here that Band of Brothers know they've been caught out, and are now just getting as much abuse and discord out of it as they can.
Dumuzi	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:08:00 - [903] maybe CCP Sharkbait was just a bit stoned and forgot to tell the "customer" that he's coming to fix the cable.
Ryunosuke Kusanagi	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:10:00 - [904] a second question arises. Is BoB's e-p33n so small, and they are so scared of goonswarm, that they have to actually HAVE TO HAVE inside help to beat them? :)
GrimHunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:10:00 - [905] Edited by: GrimHunter on 26/05/2007 05:09:23 Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad YOU GOONIES JUST DONT GET IT Having friends in ccp isn't cheating, it's just being normal and social. It doesn't hurt the game, and so what if bob does haev friends in ccp? It doesn't matter. Your so caled cheating is pretty dumb imo, since apparently you goonies can't even remember when you petitioned ccp to fix things for you. And the bpo thing was fixed alrady so I dont even see why you are ocmplaining about that really. The only thing that hurts the game is you goonies and your blobbing . You are just mad bob has more sp and has been playign the game for longer than you. You can't beat them, so you complain. Shut up about bob cheating already, and try to beat them in game instead. Of course you'll fail because you only have t1 frigs and have to rely on your masters in ra for dreads. No, apparently you don't get it. Its called a conflict of interest and it is blatantly clear here. Perhaps you would like to remove that blindfold over your eyes?
MacromediaDocumentFormat	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:10:00 - [906] ITT People sidestep the issues and use ad-hominm attacks to silence the truth of developer corruption in the game. Also, BoB finally admits that in return for getting to pre-test (have prior experence with more like it) patches and new releases, they get help from the devs in-game. So... to balance an unfair advantange (knowing about and getting to use items and features before everyone else) you think that's balanced by, what? Oh! of course! your getting another unfair advantage! how charming! And of course if anyone else disagrees with you, then they dont have a right to play your game because they're just noobs right? Makes perfect sense to me. Personally I dont really see the need for this thread anymore. BoB has admitted to having an unfair advantage in the game, as well as shown their prowness for being unsufferable arrogant unspeakables, and CCP has yet again shown their inept inability to find even an economically sensible outcome to this game. Good job. Make sure BoB owns the whole map. Because you know, they'll have won. And whenever one side wins, it's game over. And when it's game over, People stop playing. And when people stop playing, you stop getting paid. So yes, actually either outcome from this is wonderful. Either this is openly and fairly resolved, or BoB gets to increase their E-peen by being the biggest baddest kids on the block in an internet game that's populated by... well... them. Well them and their alts anyway. Good game.
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:10:00 - [907] I have officially decided to cancel my subscription. Developer misconduct and CCP doing nothing shows that this whole thing is rigged. If this post is deleted then I know even further that the company doesn't deserve my money. Originally by: El Yatta they shouldnt have gotten involved in supercaps, because on the whole they are very dull, except for 2-3 people in the alliance who get to go "wheee, i cant be scrambled, pwn pwn".
Iiva	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:10:00 - [908] This only proves one thing: Goons are sensationalist drama queens and attention *****s. At least /b/tards have some self-respect.
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:12:00 - [909] With the amount of the tin foil hats being worn in this thread, I think we are going blind from all that shinny stuff. I have never seen a bunch of Drama Queens in one thread. What's the new game plan now, If you cant win in the game, ruin peoples reputation by liable comments and unfound accusations? Proof or STFU!
MacromediaDocumentFormat	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:12:00 - [910] Oh also, to BoB. Next time you're in court, and the opposing side is best buddies with the judge. Just remember, it's not a conflict of interest, or even unfair, because after all, they spent all that time to get to know the judge before you did.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:12:00 - [911] Originally by: Gee Lok I believe this whole affair can be explained by psychology. In particular, something called Attribution Theory. Likewise your post could be explained by Confirmation Bias. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article: Quote: In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias is a tendency to search for or interpret new information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions and avoid information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs. It is a type of cognitive bias and represents an error of inductive inference, or as a form of selection bias toward confirmation of the hypothesis under study or disconfirmation of an alternative hypothesis. Of course thats all conjecture on both of our parts... -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:13:00 - [912] im still loving everyone on the bandwagon ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Eryx Terayen Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:13:00 - [913] It all comes down to one thing... everyone in this game pays the same subscription fee. Everyone is entitled to the same level of service, whether that be good or bad, and whether they are BoB, Goon, RA, D2 or just some scordite mining empire newbie. Systems were designed and put in place for contacting GMs, moderators, and developers. When players are given the ability to bypass these systems and communicate directly with those in power, that gives them a huge advantage. Nobody deserves a VIP pass to EVE. Not Goons, not BoB, nobody. That's all I have to say on the "dev friendship" garbage. I, personally, don't care if RP events are rigged. What good does one mothership do an alliance like BoB? Not a whole lot, they can build them themselves, and that Hel sure as heck did not help LV when they won it. I'd prefer if physical prizes weren't given out for rigged events, but honestly I can't see it happening on a scale grand enough to upset any balances. The Darkstar 1 issue is the biggest, I think. In the best case scenario, the GM was careless, ignorant and communication was terrible. Even if we weren't in the midst of the whole "Band of Developers" garbage, joining someone's corporation and giving yourself director roles is not something that should be done without communicating to the CEO at all. That action alone should bring into question GM Sharkbait's judgment. I'm not saying anyone should be fired over it, of course. Everyone makes mistakes, including GMs and developers. Just that caution should be used in the future, and policies be implemented/made known to the GM team. It's REALLY hard to have any kind of civil and non-partisan discussion now. Remember that there's really only two sides to things these days: Goons & Co(I say this because, I'll admit, we usually bring it up), and BoB & Co. The fact that both parties are engaged in heated conflict in-game makes everything both sides say look partisan, but it's important that both players and CCP staff try to view these events with as neutral an outlook as possible.
BuyN Sell	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:14:00 - [914] Originally by: Zagum Darkfin With the amount of the tin foil hats being worn in this thread, I think we are going blind from all that shinny stuff. I have never seen a bunch of Drama Queens in one thread. What's the new game plan now, If you cant win in the game, ruin peoples reputation by liable comments and unfound accusations? Proof or STFU! Haha I thought a goon wrote this to BoB at first.
Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:15:00 - [915] Originally by: Gee Lok In the minds of the goons this enormous failure cannot be due to any external factors. It can not be their fault. It must be an external factor. Someone MUST be cheating. No, we're pretty good at admitting that pretty much everything that goes wrong is our fault. If there's one thing that Goonfleet prides itself it's making stupid mistakes on a truly colossal scale. That's why this issue has anything whatsoever to do with us other than the fact that we were the ones who got public discussion of it going. We want CCP to sort out their broken procedures as regards customer service and the relationships their staff have with players in the game. That is all. If you're not convinced by the evidence, even that offered by BoB directors, then feel free to ignore the problem but don't try to take the easy way out by pretending this is our fault.
Endarri al'Malik	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:16:00 - [916] All back and forth between Goonswarm Members and BoB aside, the simple fact remains that allowing Devs and GMs to run alt characters in Player-controlled alliances constitutes a conflict of interest. This isn't hard to see, and it certainly isn't impossible to stop. The consequences of allowing such conflicts to continue are evident in this thread: customer dissatisfaction and cancellations, the community flaming each other on the forums, and, most importantly, the community demanding answers and solutions. What is equally appalling is that it seems that the CCP leadership are unable to recognize the conflict, and rather than simply stopping their employees from running characters in the game, they actually try to find a way to justify their doing so (and with their supporters within the EVE community eagerly cheering them on). Yes, EVE is a great game, and it is clearly tons of fun to play (or I wouldn't be here), but part of working for CCP should be that your out-of-work play should be confined to the Test Server or somewhere other than Tranquility; if you are an employee of CCP, then the cost of earning a paycheck should be that your access to the player-controlled sections of EVE are limited. There are literally thousands of companies in the world which have anti-nepotism policies written into their corporate framework in order to 'nip in the bud' such conflicts of interests before they arise. These companies understand that were their directorate allowed to hire/work with/grant contracts or favors to family or friends, the damage to both their reputations and their corporations would be devastating. Even the idea that they would possess the power to engage in such practices - should they wish to - would be damaging. If such a relationship exists between CCP and BoB - or any EVE corp or alliance, a simple, commonsense review of the ethics of the situation would determine that any such relationship cease. No one is saying that CCP devs shouldn't have friends or 'are robots'; but CCP staff developing relationships with the customer base should be discouraged. As with any other business, it's best to keep your work and your private life separate. As the manager of a large company myself, I can say this with some confidence. I, as many others in the community, eagerly await CCP's reply to the issues addressed by the 'open letter', and hope that some honest, and, if the allegations prove to be true, would expect to see serious consequences applied to the offenders, and some serious self-reflection to occur by the CCP executives. Here's hoping we all find out the truth of the matter - and soon; the cost of CCP silence on the matter could soon be measured by the decline of sales. Endarri al'Malik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys Alliance
Alesia Nanasawa	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:17:00 - [917] Edited by: Alesia Nanasawa on 26/05/2007 05:16:41
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:17:00 - [918] Again...? Goodbye Eve
ApathyKills	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:17:00 - [919] Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd Originally by: Phelan Driscoll Originally by: Orange Species Quit whilst your not ahead. You're a much better troll than the OrangeSpecies that works the morning shift. He's a better POS bowler though. Afternoon OrangeSpecies is the only one that can DD competently though. Really you guys should use VNC instead of RDP so you can at least monitor each other for cross-training purposes. any proof? You know your idiot corp members have petitioned him about 10 times aleady. How do you know?
Johnny Rook Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:18:00 - [920] clearly this is CCP's latest plan to tackle the server lag caused by overpopulation. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:18:00 - [921] Originally by: ExplodingBears It's this kind of post that I find hardest to stomach. Instead of addressing the issue, you try to discredit the sources of the information, and you are using the same goddamn 'goon blob sp complain t1 frig' bull**** that exists in every page of this thread. This is not about goons, this is about CCP. I'd be more likely to accept these tactics if the truth weren't so obvious and undeniable, but just spewing the same discrediting buzz words won't work. Please, just once I ask you to rack your brain for a valid argument, or at least a reply that addresses the issue rather than diverting attention away from it. Its you goonies not addressing the issue, not me. What did CCP do? Talk to people on MSN? Well then you beter lock up the entire internet b/c almost everyone has MSN.
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:20:00 - [922] HEY GUYS LOOK NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET LETS KEEP TALKING ABOUT NOTHING HAPPENING YET god damnit... im going to bed, hope eve is stll here when i wake up
FatHed Eye of the Abyss	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:20:00 - [923] Dear BoB members, please stay out of the conversation. You are accused, and even without solid evidence, your comments are condemning you. If you don't understand what I mean, that's just further evidence that you should keep your mouth shut.
Raznarok Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:21:00 - [924] Not cool people. CCP give you a great game and you pay them back by stirring ** like this up. You have no idea the amount of time your wasting or people paying for their subscriptions. I reckon they should ban all the ** stirriers tbh.
Niton Stormrider HCD	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:21:00 - [925] Heh. Makes me glad I'm in a 16 man corp in empire. Buncha newbies chomping rocks and pew pewing in lowsec. We get to play the game without getting all butthurt about flying dutchman BPOs and tinfoil hats. IT'S A GAME FOLKS, JUST PLAY THE ******* THING!
OozoO Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:21:00 - [926] Originally by: Dianabolic We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS. Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots. haha Dian, you made the whole thing even worse -------------- My name is oozoo and my sig is yellow!
Raznarok Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:22:00 - [927] Originally by: FatHed Dear BoB members, please stay out of the conversation. You are accused, and even without solid evidence, your comments are condemning you. If you don't understand what I mean, that's just further evidence that you should keep your mouth shut. And you have no evidence yourself. Maybe its you that should keep quiet. kthx.
Skrypt Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:22:00 - [928] "Hi. I'm a goonie. I'm getting wtfpwned. In turn, I'm going to whine on the forums about whatever I can because that's the only place we can win. omg w00t. gooniefleet 4 life!" Too bad CCP values their monthly income too much to ban each one of them just for the sake of having done it. <3 "I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart)
Shadow Steel	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:23:00 - [929] I'd say the most amusing, and perhaps most useful, turn of events would be widespread in-game military action against BoB. If carried out on a large enough scale, BoB will either be crushed or their CCP 'friends' will save them. Both events would be quite useful and entertaining.
TinyPirate	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:23:00 - [930] Originally by: JeevesBond Originally by: Dianabolic And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow. Get over yourselves. Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Stop whining and go back to syndicate and come back once you have the SP to take bob on instead of trying to drag their good name through the mud. That is how eve works, get over it. So, unless I'm mistaken, these posts are the closest to an official response we, the Eve community, has recieved. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this what I have been paying CCP for? We ask for transparency, accountability and some customer service. The response? 'Get over it.' I'm taking these quotes as offical due to their ties with CCP. That would be unfair under normal circumstances, however CCP staff have chosen to be affiliated with these people, that affiliation implies endorsement in my opinion. Originally by: dianabolic Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? I have never been asked to comment, nor was I aware that bugs were fixed due to your relations with CCP. I'd like to complain now that I am aware though, bitterly. No bug fixed is worth this scandal or the anger and disgust felt by so many honest players. Bugs can be worked around and fixed, the loss of trust caused by this cannot. No matter how much you deny it, or try to spin this scandal, you have ruined this game for a lot of people. Myself included. I wanted to bring this post up again, absolutely brilliant. I'd love to see a full summary of the various BOB 'admissions' so far in this thread, someone, go to it! I like the recent one where the BOB guy mentions how many times a BOB member has been petitioned.

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