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Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:18:00 - [1291] :) ->My Vids<-
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:19:00 - [1292] Originally by: Gutsani Has a dev/someone important actually already replied to this thread or is it deemed the same course as the last one's? Dying due to lack of information. Cause, its no snip Do NOT evade the profanity filter. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) use if we bias here if your not gonna read it anyway .. (and that is read with your brain, not with your eyes) I am personally not affected by this at all, i just wanne know if it is true or not and what you are actually doing about it. It seems like your whole dev/gm team is biased towards bob and is using their powers to get information and what more.. And now you can whine and do whatever you like about dev's being in all alliances, well then why arnt they causing incidents like this? All i have to say, and you better make sure i can find your answers somewhere easely, no hair on my head is thinking about reading 47 pages of crap to see what ccp's opinion is about this all. This is soley a thread for the nerd rage to come out. Like the last one, there have been no Dev responses in the thread. Use eve-search for easier browsing for dev replys. ---
Visakoth	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:19:00 - [1293] snip Trolling. -Rauth
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:20:00 - [1294] snip quoted post and response. -Rauth ---
Haloskeeter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:20:00 - [1295] Originally by: Mortania This is soley a thread for the nerd rage to come out. Like the last one, there have been no Dev responses in the thread. Use eve-search for easier browsing for dev replys. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD RRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Vaeldan Athargan Caldari Navy 'Black Knights' VFA-154	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:21:00 - [1296] I dunno... I just can't see past all of the accusations to be able to say "must be a coincidence". Judging from the commentary out on the Net about this, I'm thinking I'm not alone here. So, BoB players can defend and attempt to deflect the points that many here are trying to make... but it doesn't change the fact that the points are being made. And not disputed. Oh, and it's great that BoB is happy with the game as it is. But do the rest of us get to pressure CCP into forming/enforcing a policy much like some sort of anti-monopoly measure? Because I think many people would agree that the power of BoB's apparent leverage (both IC and OOC) leaves any sort of opposition far behind. At what point does CCP decide that one entity in the game is too powerful and acts to curtail that entity using the game's theme to check them? At what point do the Empire factions take note of this massive territory under one flag and start to view it as a threat. Not to mention the NPC corporations that live in the spaces that BoB is taking over? Therein lies the apparent conflict of interest. The very people responsible for same game theme balance and enforcement have been accused of being part of these corruption allegations. So what is a normal, non-involved player to think?
doyoulikemytightsweater	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:22:00 - [1297] Originally by: Anatolius Originally by: Cynogesic Originally by: Kerfira SELECT STARSYSTEM,MOON,OWNER FROM EVEDB.POS_PRODUCTION WHERE USED_BP=TITAN_BP; If a dev wants info about titans currently building, this is a far easier way (and undetectable too). If a dev wants to investigate an issue in-game, looking at the database is not efficient (needle in haystack?), but looking at it from the player perspective is..... Damn, NOW I wish I'd invested in that tinfoil factory The guy was in QA. I'm guessing he wouldn't have a ton of access to the database and what not. Even if he did, there are these magical things called logs. There's also this magical thing called 'proper security policy' which would forbid people who have the authority to futz with the database from having any other access to the system(s) the database is running on. 'Undetectable', feh. Then again, CCP is using Microsoft products if I remember correctly. You see - this is funny: Logs - yes they are there - but any backup taken and stored on say the test server can be accessed as well. Sure, there is a time that backup lags behind but a Titan takes time to build ya'know ? So - I m sure there is a lot of ways to get the info without showing up on the radar.
Quixeh Gallente Guiding Star Industries	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:23:00 - [1298] Is it so hard for CCP employees to stay out of an alliance? Do you really miss the huge elephant that occurs in the room when you as a Dev start playing around in the PAYING customer's affairs? Simple way to avoid this, is to ban any employees from joining an alliance. Problem solved. If they need to in order to solve a problem, let the character be CLEARLY LABELED and have the entire alliance know.
John MacCoy Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:26:00 - [1299] The way to look at this whole thing is this: The fact that a GM joined a corp to check out a problem with the POS that was possible bugged. GM's have done it before and will do it again. They kinda have to in order to make sure that POS is running correctly and if it is not then it can be repaired by the GM. As to the deleting of the petition by the GM, that is a weird one no doubt. But like it has bee said by many people so far there is only the word of the CEO of the Corp in question that has made the complaint, and no offence to him be he does have his own agenda against BoB. Lets not forget that this game is made, maintained and controlled by CCP and they can basically do what ever they like with it. Everything in the game is their poperty and not yours. You play by their rules, not the other way around. And finally, everyone here my be pritty ****ed off about this whole situation but remember this. You may moan or complain all you want with CCP and each other but there is not a damn thing you can do to help with the situation. You may say that you can never trust CCP again. If that is the case then you should quit Eve. But you know you wont quit and Eve and everyone else knows you wont quit Eve. You'll just grunt under your breath and continue to play as if nother ever happened. Eve controls you. You dont control Eve. -------------------- John MacCoy Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel "Those who are prideful and refuse to bow down shall be laid low and made unto dust."
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:28:00 - [1300] Originally by: Gneeznow I wonder how long before BoB leadership tells their members to shut up on the forums for another 4 months until this all ''blows over'' I say within 18 hours :-P Those were good days, no? --- CCP: Please disallow your employees from playing normal player accounts.
Trilli Shaw	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:28:00 - [1301] Originally by: Eskalin Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Wouldn't you rather know that they aren't devs? Seems like that'd be better than just saying you don't want to know. the fact that so many of you are having a hard time with someone separating work(ie.. their job as a ccp dev) and their player account shows the lack of ethics in your own lives. Erm, might I remind you only at the t20 incident? Yes? WE lack ethics? Funny...

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:28:00 - [1302] Originally by: Gutsani Has a dev/someone important actually already replied to this thread or is it deemed the same course as the last one's? Dying due to lack of information. FYI, It's holiday weekend in US and many parts of Europe. Therefore CCP staff may be on holidays or taking a break. Not completely sure though. ___ Questions/Complaints/Opinions/Bree \| Forum Rules \| Our Website EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER

HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:28:00 - [1303] Originally by: PunkRoadkill Goon and BOB should just join forces, take over the whole of 0.0, declare war of every corp in game and then camp every empire gate they can forcing everyone in EVE to either leave or bow to them. then no one will care what BOB get up to with CCP as there will be no one left to complain you severely over-estimate goons. they aren't worth much more than spamming. whether it be forums or a solar system....
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:29:00 - [1304] Originally by: Kerfira 'Undetectable' from a player point of view, yes. Naturally, but I'd be hoping that shiny new IA division would be doing audits to watch for funky database queries. Originally by: Kerfira As for access rights.... Since the DB has to be accessible from the game code, that most likely mean that there is a master account for that, with the account name and pwd easily readable inside the code. There are ways to secure that as well, but I'll concede based on the following: Originally by: Kerfira The large majority of companies internal data security sux bigtime, and CCP is probably no different on this... True enough. I'm still unable to make sense of this though, either way. Have to say, after the last scandal, if I was going around fixing bugs and had to do something to a POS in game, I'd sure as hell mention it to the corp whose POS I was investigating before popping in and granting myself directorship. Then again, I read the forums, and am aware of the current level of paranoia among the playerbase. "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:30:00 - [1305] Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: Gutsani Has a dev/someone important actually already replied to this thread or is it deemed the same course as the last one's? Dying due to lack of information. FYI, It's holiday weekend in US and many parts of Europe. Therefore CCP staff may be on holidays or taking a break. Not completely sure though. I'll be working this weekend, and I don't have 200,000 live paying customers questioning my integrity this weekend. --- CCP: Please disallow your employees from playing normal player accounts.
Captain Crimson CoreTech Industries E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:31:00 - [1306] It's a game, there's bound to be cheats in it like any other. Like hackers on Source. Some people just stop at nothing to have a complete control over the game, as that's human nature at it's worst. Unfortunately some people let this megalomaniac inside of them turn them into selfish monsters who cause things like this and lots of time wasting on everyone part, as well as a lot of trust lost. On topic.... I say just set all the members at -10 and keep them in the south to war forever more Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
tessssssssssst	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:32:00 - [1307] Edited by: tessssssssssst on 26/05/2007 10:32:32 i don't know what the hell they are thinking nor if they are all drugged but WTF some week ago we had kieron and co who's giving a little hope to reach better day and now that. again and again we can't trust ccp... i think you don't realise something... your doing fanfest heh? don't be suprised if someone in the party come to you with BAD will but that's not my taste. I think i'll write to liberation about this event, they have wrote something about eve anniversary, i think this will be a good story for them, i can't let them fool the customer. opss posted with an alt, expect to be sniped sry
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:32:00 - [1308] What I do not understand is the ambiguous way communications between CCP and some of the players are handled. To communicate between the playerbase and GM's there is a petitioning system available. It is the door to get in touch with eachother and it has the same set of rules for everyone. But more importantly, it has trackable communications. Someone's MSN has not direct tracable communications for Internal affairs of CCP. Mr. Arkanon, you'd beter close these backdoor's. It is even the possibility that awkward unrecorded messages will pass your means of scrutinizing that can damage credibility of this game. RB join us today!
Captain Crimson CoreTech Industries E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:33:00 - [1309] Originally by: Eron Lygera I've had it with all you "omg cheat devhax we must have truuuuuttttthhhh" crusaders. Understand that you are not entitled to anything, contrary to what you may think. I seriously hope that you will remove your characters, accounts and your complaining asses from this game and make it more fun for the rest of us. Stop playing seriously! That goes to the goonswarm guys, and s****dly especially. You are so biased towards conspiracy that your mind is seriously clouded. Leave this game. Please. QFT. Originally by:** Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:33:00 - [1310] Edited by: Avon on 26/05/2007 10:32:54 Originally by: Mortania I'll be working this weekend, and I don't have 200,000 live paying customers questioning my integrity this weekend. It is almost as if the whole thing has been timed to have the maximum impact, before it can be addressed .. or am I just being cynical? I'm going to start selling dramallama milk. I'll make a fortune the way everyone here laps the stuff up. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:34:00 - [1311] Edited by: Mortania on 26/05/2007 10:34:10 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Mortania I'll be working this weekend, and I don't have 200,000 live paying customers questioning my integrity this weekend. It is almost as if the whole thing has been timed to have the maximum impact, before it can be addressed .. or am I just being cynical? I'm going to start selling dramallama milk. I'll make a fortune they way everyone here laps the stuff up. It crossed my mind as I was typing it too. It's no less tinfoily than some of the other stuff people mention. Edit: it doesn't change the fact that just because it's a long weekend CCP can ignore this until Tuesday. That would be a big PR misstep. --- CCP: Please disallow your employees from playing normal player accounts.
Lockon VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:35:00 - [1312] Here is what I think CCP, get some transparency in your affairs and deal with the conflicts of interest you seem to create. Even if this is not true, you have lost alot of peoples faith.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Glauxian Brothers Ground Zeero	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:35:00 - [1313] Originally by: luminoll Quote: CCP being contacted via MSN rather than petition? Who cares? Thats favoritism plain and simple. I work as a systems admin. I have had people ask me how much vacation time they had left. I could tell them but that would be unethical. They have to go through proper channels, namely human resources. Abusing my privelidge to access all files is unethical. If I have to go through a petition process, then everyone should. I am bit concerned about this too, if "big" alliances (not necessarily bob) are "in terms" with the ccp staff there's certain danger that things get out of hand like it really seems to have happened here. Specially if initial "petition" about said pos thingy was kind of ignored. Generally people want fair treatment and equal rights. Common reason for revolutions.
Barbaro55a Caldari Os Lobos Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:36:00 - [1314] WOW! long thread, took me ages to read it all and the open letter is very disturbing, if proven true, its a shame, and quite frankly embaresing for CCP if it's found that after numerous scandles and accusations they still havn't got their house in order. They even set up an internal investigation department, allthough this now seems like an empty gesture when their is a club within BoB and CCP that deem it "normal" to get in game favours from the GM, and Devs.. Its akin to getting free goals or at least preferential treatment for being friends with a referee, actions that only a minority would consider moral. I hope CCP sorts this out, or i'm afraid that the cancelation of my accounts may be the only way forwad. Their is really no point playing, on what seems to be a one sided playng field. Eve as a game rocks, but their MUST be a line between the player base and the developers. I know they must play the game in order to develope it further, but if they can't make the distinction between fair play and cheating, i'm not sure their the sort of people that i'd want handling my bank account details, personal details, and the content of a game i (up to now) have enjoyed massivly. Not to mention, how can CCP want staff working for them that missuse company assets and power in such a way when it is clearly damaging their reputation. Please sort this out CCP, after years of gaming, we the players deserve more than the current silence and censorship stance that your taking. .......................................... We come in peace - My sig and your sig would make cute baby sigs.
Katamaranus	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:37:00 - [1315] snip Ranting is not constructive. -Rauth
Barbaro55a Caldari Os Lobos Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:42:00 - [1316] snip Please don't discuss moderator actions on the forums. Thanks, Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) .......................................... We come in peace - My sig and your sig would make cute baby sigs.
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:42:00 - [1317] Originally by: Captain Crimson It's a game, there's bound to be cheats in it like any other. Like hackers on Source. Some people just stop at nothing to have a complete control over the game, as that's human nature at it's worst. Unfortunately some people let this megalomaniac inside of them turn them into selfish monsters who cause things like this and lots of time wasting on everyone part, as well as a lot of trust lost. On topic.... I say just set all the members at -10 and keep them in the south to war forever more Hackers in source is a pretty poor comparison. There are hackers/exploiters in eve as well and they eventually meet their punishment. A better comparison to source would be if Valve employees were helping the counter terrorists beat the terrorists despite once before getting called on it and nearly driving everyone from the game. Also, people are expected to pay $15 a month to play the game this way.
Vaeldan Athargan Caldari Navy 'Black Knights' VFA-154	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:43:00 - [1318] Edited by: Vaeldan Athargan on 26/05/2007 10:42:24 disregard
OozoO Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:51:00 - [1319] I hereby demand Catalysm Enterprises' Erebus titan back, dear bob-friend Admiral_Chamrajnagar!! Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected])
Jotan Veer HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:51:00 - [1320] Edited by: Jotan Veer on 26/05/2007 10:51:15 Originally by: Eaiaden How hard can it be?, other MMORPG's out there can do it, just look at the grand old one EverQuest, or WoW for that matter, EQ been running 8 years now and never a corrupition scandal. Meh, I played EQ for almost 3 years (was a fansite forum mod for 2), there were SOE employees fired for abusing their powers, several times.

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