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Orion Intaki	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:29:00 - [2131] Originally by: Haloskeeter Originally by: Mindlles Why not stay online and fight goonies. So manny goon players i have had logged under my scramble i just insane. Yes we now goons sucks, yes we know ur a rastic bunch off players that cant succed in this game. But plz, plz plz. Stay online insteed of that bloody metagaming. And if ccp have failed or cheat i hope staff get thier punisment, but reading that open mail, i see one dude that is a worthless reporter wich i would personlay called primary for bumping my dreads, and alot off bitter goons that just fail and thats why they complain. Bob die just as easy as annyone els in this game if u know how to play the game.. I love how you accuse goons of logging at every situation, 0utbreak has done it plenty of time, so has BoB. removed snipped parts of quoted post. -Hango. I guess I didn't need to translate that into English.
Seaborgium	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:30:00 - [2132] Quote: If you have questions about whether a link is allowed, please send it to [email protected] and we'll provide a response. Thanks for your understanding. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) Can't I just have your MSN address and do it that way? It'd be a lot faster, and apparently all the other players get them. I mean, I'm supposed to have direct access to you right? I've been playing for almost a year.
eleuthereus Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:31:00 - [2133] Originally by: dralid Originally by: Haloskeeter Originally by: dralid In my personal opinion, GOONS are just a bunch of whiners who look for all reasons to try to explain their failures. Comon, go annoy WoW please, and let the real boys play here! You're just bitter you're not training our newbies anymore. And you people are just bitter tout court! Dear dralid, First, I don't think anyone's "whining" about anything. We are, however, asking questions -- as are many players now from many different coprs/allainces. Second, as for failures, the questions being asked have nothing to do with Goon failures, which if you look at the political map, do not seem to be all that numerous since the GS has taken over quite a bit of 0.0 space. GS has had both failures and victories -- like any alliance. And now, it seems, at least according to the map, they've had far more victories than failures. Soooo, it seems GS is not trying to do anytihng but get some answers. Third, not quite sure whose bitter in Goons. They all seem a bit insane to me, but not really all that bitter since they've crushed just about everything and everyone in their path. The stalmate now with BOB and the recent loss of 9-9 soverignty is hardly reason for a whole alliance to whine and make up false charegs out of thin air -- especially when that alliance has huge chunks of space. Think befor eyou accuse. What we're talking about here -- let me say it again for you -- is apparent unfairness and inappropriate actions on the part of SOME devs helping one particular alliance. I don't care who the alliance is, TBH, whether its BOB, Goons, ASCN, LV, Rule of Three, Roadkill, blah blah blah. I don't care. Heck, if BOB were to win this game fair and square, take over all of 0.0, I'd be the first to say, "Man, you guys ROCK! Awesome. I cn'at believe you did this. Great accomplishment." But the qualifying words are "fair and square." Do you get this at all??? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Soto ShinDo Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:31:00 - [2134] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 26/05/2007 22:06:19 Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 26/05/2007 21:59:31 Could you guys clarify how it's decided? Cause I'm going to be honest, deleting posts and warning people for committing offenses that they aren't even aware of isn't really in line with the 'no censorship' thing that Arkanon was crowing about near the beginning of the thread. Please see the response in your first post asking this question and do not post this question again, as you are cluttering the thread. Email [email protected] if you aren't sure a link is appropriate. Thank you. -Rauth LOOOOOOOL Sorry, but that's the most ridiculous thing I've read in this whole post. Email the mods to ask if a link is appropriate? Come on, you're joking, no? This is as close to censorship as anything can possibly be.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:31:00 - [2135] Originally by: dralid In my personal opinion, GOONS are just a bunch of whiners who look for all reasons to try to explain their failures. Comon, go annoy WoW please, and let the real boys play here! How about you actually try and deal with the information provided, instead of making some irrelevant dig at goons? You would think that there is one thing that the entire player base could agree on, that we should do something about exploitation and dev corruption. Apparantly not. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Doctor West	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:33:00 - [2136] Originally by: HankMurphy goons. trying to burn ccp's reputation and game to the ground and make everyone believe its for the betterment of the community. They burned that rep themselves, don't shoot the messenger. Also I'm appalled that IA hasn't responded to this in more detail yet, if only to calm down the riot that is at hand. At my company we'd have everyone in working right now, not just a few moderators sniping posts. This is already starting to cost CCP alot more that it had to. But I guess this general mismanagement is simply symptomatic of the current corporate climate.
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:33:00 - [2137] Originally by: WhitePhantom Originally by: Mahavy Seth CCP Tomorrow Response To All This: BoB POS was bugged in the ion cell augmentaion idrodynamic propeller piston, and need a CCP developer to join the alliance as a director because in no other way we was able to solve the problem. Regarding all other allegations, it seems that some peoples take great delight to uncover what they think it is true. The fact that BoB is always involved is merely an unlicky event. We close this topic and we will ban everyone will again talk about this. Your post isn't exactly funny. I think some people are taking a game to far, lighten up. Give me back my $160... Phoenix Logistics Industries
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:35:00 - [2138] Edited by: Death Kill on 26/05/2007 22:34:31 Originally by: Marovinchian Goonfleet forums: "Guys, we are getting absolutely annihilated out here...it's time now to deploy our only means of defense....SPAM, SPAM THE FORUMS, SPAM YOUR LOCAL CHANNELS, BOB ARE CHEATERS, EVERYTHING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN GAME IS THEM CHEATING AND CCP HELPING THEM, WITH ALL YOU HAVE SPAM THE VERY DEPTHS OF OUTER SPACE UNTIL ALL OF EVE IS DESTROYED" seriously guys...lose with some class lol worst propaganda attempt ever
Merc998	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:35:00 - [2139] Don't troll please. Thanks, Hango snip Don't discuss moderation and don't troll -Eldo ([email protected])
Novina Agrari	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:36:00 - [2140] Originally by: Rauth Kivaro The CRC team is watching this thread and the rest of the forums closely and as ISD staff are EVE players ourselves we share your concerns regarding this matter. Which is why, even though ISD knew all about this incident, it was kept quiet and without apparent investigation until logs were offered up for public consumption and enough posts flooded the forum that the matter couldn't be locked, erased, and waited out? As far as many of us are concerned, you guys don't share the concerns of most of us. Not even a little. We don't trust Ark because he seems more and more like the guy in charge of damage control rather than the guy in charge of keeping the game's playing field level. We don't trust ISD because, well, you figure that one out. We don't trust CCP at large because of the laughable way these things have been handled for a long time - it's clear the main hope when this happens isn't that CCP gets its act in gear. It's that people get distracted by the latest dev blogs or worn out by the stonewalling and move on without CCP having to give up their favoritism or endure some transparency. Either way, stop blowing smoke about how ISD shares our concerns. Right or wrong, no one believes it anymore.

Holocene	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:36:00 - [2141] Edited by: Holocene on 26/05/2007 22:36:17 snip please do not discuss moderator actions -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) Fine, friggin Gestapo
dralid M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:37:00 - [2142] Originally by: Plim Originally by: dralid In my personal opinion, GOONS are just a bunch of whiners who look for all reasons to try to explain their failures. Comon, go annoy WoW please, and let the real boys play here! How about you actually try and deal with the information provided, instead of making some irrelevant dig at goons? You would think that there is one thing that the entire player base could agree on, that we should do something about exploitation and dev corruption. Apparantly not. Says the guy who got his Please do not bypass the profanity filter. Thanks, Hango kicked by BoB and is trying to make sure the blame is not their own failing, but rather some tinfoilhattery story about Dev misconduct and is going now alongside with the goonies Where do the wild roses grow?
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:38:00 - [2143] Originally by: Doctor West Originally by: HankMurphy goons. trying to burn ccp's reputation and game to the ground and make everyone believe its for the betterment of the community. They burned that rep themselves, don't shoot the messenger. Also I'm appalled that IA hasn't responded to this in more detail yet, if only to calm down the riot that is at hand. At my company we'd have everyone in working right now, not just a few moderators sniping posts. This is already starting to cost CCP alot more that it had to. But I guess this general mismanagement is simply symptomatic of the current corporate climate. i dont hate messengers. in fact, whistle blowers are an important check against corruption what you guys is a little past 'messenger' in fact, totally uncalled for comes to mind. so yeah, when the messenger is under orders to tear your house apart as a means of delivery.... try to destroy a companies reputation with rumors on every media they have access to on the internet (that will listen to them anyways). All before internal CCP investigation is complete. That kinda throws your 'i'm just a messenger' argument in the bin yes i WOULD shoot the messenger in that case. many times till i ran out of ammo
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:39:00 - [2144] Originally by: Rebellion The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards. Or at the real world angle to the gaming activities of the people you ally yourselves with. I hate to break it to you, but people have said the same thing about you. That you're actively profiteering in the isk=game-card=cash trade. And while I don't care, just don't throw stones from what, from my perspective, appears to be a glass house. Phoenix Logistics Industries
Merc998	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:41:00 - [2145] Edited by: Merc998 on 26/05/2007 22:41:11 Again, please don't discuss moderation on the forums. We have this really nifty email address and we'd love to hear from you, but please use the proper channels. Thanks, Hango snip Don't discuss moderation and don't troll -Eldo ([email protected])
Doon Khan	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:41:00 - [2146] I am a newbie player in Eve-online(14d). If I understand it correctly there is a lot of suspicion towards CCP for helping BoB in an unfair way. Many (and I) seem to feel: Should i really continue playing this game when so many seems to think the allegations towards CCP or BoB are true. Why should I invest money and time if indeed BoB has such an advantage. It doesnt seem fun to play either by myself (in safer space) or in 0.0 on either side. I would very much like to get the facts sorted out. There are statements made discrediting BoB and CCP: # Some members got banned for "revealing" cheating between BoB and CCP # CCP employees gave BoB members information about news in releases ensuring BoB got advantages in securing new items # A CCP employee logged on to a corporation without their knowledge and left, either to do his work or to spy on what was going on # CCP members hunt ISK buyers from one side and not the other (BoB) # CCP admins congratulate BoB members for distroying a titan # CCP closed forums to delete entries or try to stop information/rumours from spreading # CCP employess closing servers in battles to provide advantages to one side etc There are other statements: # Some members started rumours on forums just to discredit BoB and CCP # CCP saying that the admin logging on and off a POS was indeed just doing his normal job # CCP saying that forums are closed for the reason of being spammed creating too much info # Silence from BoB and CCP which could be interpreted as not commenting since these are only rumours anyway etc My conclusion is that most statements are not based on facts and could be interpreted in many ways. I want to know facts in order to draw conclusions if this game is stable and sound. It is obvious that CCP needs to handle rumours quickly. I think it is very much in their own interest since it definately will impact their member base, their income and ultimately their jobs (short or long term). Please sort out facts. There must be of statistics that could be analysed and published that would allow players to draw conlusions based on facts (since these facts can be verified also by players). For example: # If BoB players actually had information about new items being released causing pilots to position themselves in the right area to access items short after a release. Then this could be analysed by calculating what percentage of new items went to BoB and to other groups. # What was the distribution of server downs in battles and how did this impact either side (more BoB or other side?) # Is it normal that CCP admins congratulate players after battle regardless of side (give examples) # What specifically was done technically to fix the bug in the POS for the corporation in question. If a detailed technical specification of this is published i am sure it can be verified by lots of technically skilled players. # How many players where banned from each side as a percentage of their total number etc etc Some of these facts may of course not be possible to check from a player standpoint. But having worked in companies in crises situations I know that the basic rule is to answer all questions, rumours or not. CCP has to provide information and statements commenting on these facts and rumours. Not doing so is essentially telling one of three things: 1. CCP lack knowledge about crisis management and PR 2. CCP know that some rumours are true which means they cannot clear themselves and are laying low hoping it will pass 3. CCP does not prioritise to answer these questions thinking other work is more important I am waiting for CCP to get involved in this discussion to sort out facts. Not doing so could cause distrust for CCP. I think CCP could provide some more updates about what is planned regarding this issue. I am hoping these are rumours and misunderstandings since I think this seems to be a supergreat game!!!
eleuthereus Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:42:00 - [2147] Edited by: eleuthereus on 26/05/2007 22:42:32 Originally by: dralid Says the guy who got his Please don't bypass the profanity filter. Thanks, Hango kicked by BoB and is trying to make sure the blame is not their own failing, but rather some tinfoilhattery story about Dev misconduct and is going now alongside with the goonies What are you? -- like 10 years old. Either contribute rational arguments to this important thread, or go away. This is not an issue of na na na na, we can beat you up, we got bigger ships, you're just mad cause you lost a system. [rolls eyes] We're talking about serious issues regarding ethics, morality, game play, and apparent distrust of ccp by lots more pilots than those in GS. Not to mention some really odd actions/behavior and relationships between devs/BOB members. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:42:00 - [2148] Originally by: dralid Originally by: Plim Originally by: dralid In my personal opinion, GOONS are just a bunch of whiners who look for all reasons to try to explain their failures. Comon, go annoy WoW please, and let the real boys play here! How about you actually try and deal with the information provided, instead of making some irrelevant dig at goons? You would think that there is one thing that the entire player base could agree on, that we should do something about exploitation and dev corruption. Apparantly not. Says the guy who got his Please do not bypass the profanity filter. Thanks, Hango kicked by BoB and is trying to make sure the blame is not their own failing, but rather some tinfoilhattery story about Dev misconduct and is going now alongside with the goonies Huh? Not only is that incorrect (ass kicked by BoB? you high?). But in game crap is irrelevant. We are discussing corruption in a product that we pay for. Now go play with you lego bricks you ******* moron. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:42:00 - [2149] has this silly notion to humm 'Human behaviour' by 'Bjork' Of u don't know this song i suggest u go look it up cuz it's a good song impo Anyways, 82 pages while posting this.. where are the devs or top ranking ccp staff, true or false i think it's time the ccp ceo took a stand on this, cmon dude, tell us ccp and BoB are not buddies atleast and any ccp member that is found fraternizing with BoB Wil get an instaomgwtfpwnbbq back to the unemployment office. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
raven415 Caldari Special Projects Corp	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:43:00 - [2150] Originally by: Richard Johannson Then again, it would be nice to know why so many people got banned yesterday without warning, after they spoke out allegations? And this Helmar guy was talking about transparency and changes after the T20 incident. Bannig everyone how speak it out? Censoring? lets see proof of the bannings how about posting with your main

dralid M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:44:00 - [2151] Please guys, go cry in woW, let us aloneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ... you are sore loosers!! Where do the wild roses grow?
Doctor West	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:45:00 - [2152] Edited by: Doctor West on 26/05/2007 22:45:42 Originally by: HankMurphy i dont hate messengers. in fact, whistle blowers are an important check against corruption ... All before internal CCP investigation is complete. ... yes i WOULD shoot the messenger in that case. many times till i ran out of ammo Apparently they were stonewalled when mailing CCP. The first sensible post on the forums was deleted. I believe it's a good thing that they spammed the forum silly, so that the rest of EVE got to know - forcing CCP to act. And how's that for customer support and transparancy? Abysmal, pitiful and revolting. From my POV this has nothing about destroying CCP's reputation or the game - it looks to me like the exact opposite. I'm so sorry if your in-game affiliation prevents you from seeing this.
Vio Geraci Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:45:00 - [2153] I'd appreciate it if Arkanon could address the real scandal here. The DS1 issue isn't nearly as important as ISD's job security existing at the pleasure of BoB.
Poolpy dev zero	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:45:00 - [2154] Originally by: dralid Please guys, go cry in woW, let us aloneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ... you are sore loosers!! Please, stop polluting this thread. At least, keep your smack in topic...
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:45:00 - [2155] Originally by: An Anarchyyt So, while the company is private, the internet is not a private venture, the server doesn't do much good without the internet backbone. And, the US government has indeed ruled the internet as a whole is a frespeech zone, given to at least the same protection as newspapers, books, and the like (See: Reno v. ACLU). I am trying to keep everything brief here, and not go indepth on anything. But basically, even though the above is true, and that you are entitled to free speech on the internet, and a private company still has to grant people certain rights, there is one thing here that makes this point moot, and this whole post worthless. You're actually wrong on your points on free speech.... Whenever free speech is mentioned in any constitutions and laws, it is to define that the GOVERNMENT can not interfere with free speech. In no way can any private entity be forced to publish your view with a free speech argument. If that was the case, I'd expect The Times to be 829562843 pages every day from people demanding they print something... So no, a company doesn't HAVE to grant their customers any rights above which is in the EULA, apart from normal statutory rights like right of return of faulty goods etc., none of which covers free speech (afaik)... Not judging whether people should or should not be allowed to post anything, just saying there's no legal requirement for a private company to allow so... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:46:00 - [2156] Originally by: Dalaakita Vendro That's funny because everyone in DS1 including the CEO had no knowledge of any 'bugged POS' and didn't file any petitions regarding it? ya um... you got 77S- through a bug and JV1V- through a crash not allowing us to login in for hours. Sorry? What was your issue again?
Yunii Freedom Builders Inc. Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:47:00 - [2157] Originally by: dralid In my personal opinion, GOONS are just a bunch of whiners who look for all reasons to try to explain their failures. Comon, go annoy WoW please, and let the real boys play here! It's not just the goons that are saying, "Wait a minute. We all want a level and even playing field" If you can't see that, then you sir, are a Tool. Maybe if I had the devs and or an ISD member on MSN, I would have been able to get their attention to come to L-5JCJ the other night and witness for themselves a BOB Titan, piloted by Chowdown I believe,(i can check my logs if you'd really want me to) POS bowling and them stealing the ships first hand. But thats not an exploit, right? Thats just using the faultly game mechanics to your advantage, right?
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:47:00 - [2158] Edited by: Victor Vision on 26/05/2007 22:46:41 Originally by: HankMurphy ...what you guys is a little past 'messenger' in fact, totally uncalled for comes to mind... Hank, since you are posting a lot in this thread - just to clear things up a bit on where you stand: Do you endorse favoritism by devs towards certain alliances or not? Do you concider a 'direct connect' via MSN to devs, that a few seem to have, favoritism - if that connection is used for in-game matters? Just like from the BoB posters, I am not realy expecting an answer from you. But would be interesting to hear your point of view on this. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Poolpy dev zero	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:47:00 - [2159] Originally by: crice Originally by: Dalaakita Vendro That's funny because everyone in DS1 including the CEO had no knowledge of any 'bugged POS' and didn't file any petitions regarding it? ya um... you got 77S- through a bug and JV1V- through a crash not allowing us to login in for hours. Sorry? What was your issue again? Uh, and what's the connection with the allegation from goonfleet of dev misconduct & others fishy things ?
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:49:00 - [2160] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: luminoll fraternization between CCP employees and players should not be allowed and strictly enforced. This policy would have avoided this. Joined a police state recently? Like the US military which prohibits fraternization between officers and enlisted? Guards and prisoners? Psychologists and patients? Like Auditors and clients? Like many, many Fortune 500 Companies that simply prohibit this kind of fraternization to prevent these problems? Dude, get a grip. Really. Yours is one of the lamest comment on this thread with it's fascist-implication argument. Keeping employees and clients separate, and uninvolved, beyond a normal, equal professional relationship is the normal course of business in most of the first world. Phoenix Logistics Industries



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