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Selina Leonare
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Posted - 2004.01.09 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Selina Leonare on 09/01/2004 06:25:21
Many Players use Bookmarks to jump directly to an Gate, instantly jumping to the next System, no one is able to follow such an "Bookjumper", this should be an Exploit!
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Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2004.01.09 06:32:00 -
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Tee hee -- silly ALT poster
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Nalias
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Posted - 2004.01.09 07:07:00 -
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Sure, we'll get rid of bookmarks... just as soon as Webifiers, Warp Scramblers/Disruptors, and Energy Drains are taken out of the game, warp-to-gates are taken down to 3km outside of jumping range and all the sentry guns are functioning properly (that'll be the day).
Try making your own set of bookmarks instead of whining.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.01.09 07:44:00 -
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Bounty hunters have no way of hunting and catching a target pirate, stop whining because a few smart people are getting past your predictable gate camps.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2004.01.09 08:09:00 -
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word!
alt poster.. start acting like a real pirate and overcome.. or just hunt the bookjumpers..
good luck 
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2004.01.09 08:09:00 -
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Have u got any clue how hard it is to catch 5 loonies in Kestrels with bookmarks from station to a mining op and back?
Its one of the smaller problems i face everyday
And i also have bookmarks.
Its just to hard to defend against such a thing
I think bookmarks shouldnt be so predictable
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EzTarget
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Posted - 2004.01.09 10:21:00 -
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IIRC Bookmark jumping was going to removed in castor, so please bear with them.....
Not an alt and TomB said that in a CSM chat a while back that I was part of. Also all thoose insta-jump gates were to be removed as well....
We just have to wait for the warp field disruptions to be put back on gates and then all those with bookmarks will start to whine :)
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.09 10:22:00 -
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bookmarks kill blockades.
even an indy will break through all the time.
this is bad for the game.
bookmarks should give an advantage, but not like this.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.01.09 10:28:00 -
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I can think of at least 2 ways to beat insta-jump bookmarks to stargates.
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Rewolf
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Posted - 2004.01.09 10:38:00 -
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bookmarks kill blockades.
even an indy will break through all the time.
this is bad for the game.
bookmarks should give an advantage, but not like this.
Want some cheese with that whine?
Blockades are a deadly pain in the rear. AFAIC the only way round them is either have a large escort (too expensive) or bookmarks.
All I'm hearing hear is whaa whaa whaa it's tough being a bad guy. Grow a set. 
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.01.09 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Selina Leonare on 09/01/2004 06:25:21
Many Players use Bookmarks to jump directly to an Gate, instantly jumping to the next System, no one is able to follow such an "Bookjumper", this should be an Exploit!
OMG. Why?! Is it too difficult to kill now? How pathetic.
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2004.01.09 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ulendar on 09/01/2004 11:30:51
This game has always been just half-assed of what it SHOULD be thats whats causing all this problems.
there should be warp inhibitor placables...which will make instajumping inpossible IF your corp is rd to spend the cash to place such a warp inhibitor hence making it easyer to control a piece of space.
Dont like a corp? Fine spend the money to place some sentries and set their standing -10 to that corp. Sentries will annihilate instajumpers on the other end...np there.
Right now EVE is carebear heaven because of not enough control on the game. Players should have a much more indepth inpact on the universe making it viable to claim space.
Truth being. If your strong enough to claim a piece of space and hold it then you should be the sole power in that piece of space (there should be a way), right now thats not so in EVE which is to bad. If the EVE universe was more controlable there would be a reason to work towards controlling space. Now everyone is just squatting or using half assed tactics to get passed a force they would normally have no chance against.
Can't win against a blockade of bship with your indy? Sounds pretty logic no? 
solution? BRING ESCORT!
To expensive to bring escort? Hmm well maybe then the harsh reality is that you have no business there...maybe?
Oh my...so much gold in fort nox. I should get in there and get filthy rich! But oh no wait there is like an entire army guarding fort nox....ah np il just use an insta bookmark and jump right into the vault!
Carebears have whined and moaned about empire space. 'you cant hold a blockade in empire space cause the empires own you blahblahblah'. What they are really saying is 'i want a safe spot where stronger players can't touch me!'. Right so all your whining and moaning has made it so you have that place! Are we going to start whining about 0.0 now? And how its all not fair that you as a freelancer cant go mine that super valuable ore and pass any blockade there without problems? Please stop it, stop whining to get what you want and start working to get what you want! There is plenty of 0.0 for everyoe and there is plenty ore to go around. As a freelancer you should aim for unclaimed space where there are no campers to stop you from entering. I dont see any other reason why you would need to use insta bookmarks other then to annoy others by using the game mechanics in a way they were not intended just so you can say 'nehnehnehneh'.
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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scouting
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Posted - 2004.01.09 11:25:00 -
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"Bookjumper", this should be an Exploit!
do you think pirates who bookmark safe spots exploiting too?
i bet you dont...you want easy kills but want a safe place to warp to when you sense trouble.
tho there are signs on chaos that is all going to change 
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QuantumX
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Posted - 2004.01.09 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: QuantumX on 09/01/2004 11:32:57
I dont normally post.
But stop whining, whine, whine.
I use bookmarks, and to be honest the only place i use them is 0.0 choke points. I have none for whne i'm in 0.0 space. so perhaps it might be time to use the map look for players in 0.0. and actually hunt your prey.
Why do i use them at 0.0 choke points, easy i cannot go explore when i have to run a 4 bs, 3 cruiser blockade.
So live with it, the truth be told, more people want to keep them, than want to loose them, the people who want to loose them are just more vocal.
But hey i pay for this game just like you, and funny enough more people share the majority view of keeping bookmarks.
CCP have said they are going to introduce deployable warp disrupters, well i also think thats a good idea, the things should be expensive, and worth defending so you actually have something to loose when you warp away from the pirate hunters.
Everyone complains that they can't catch people, mainly the rats and rat hunters well. So with these disruptors it is more balanced.
IE:
-Rats use warp disrupters to catch normal players.
- rat hunters can catch rats, or the rats have to leave behind expensive equipment.
All fair now aint it.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.01.09 11:28:00 -
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Bookmarks are here to stay. Hellmar took the brave step of removing them and everyone moaned about increased travel times.
So all we can do is wait until the warp disruption anchor modules are created, and work with the devs to get these to a balanced stage. I expect them to be pretty useless or way too useful to start with, but over time they'll become "just right" :)
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Ardanwen
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Posted - 2004.01.09 12:20:00 -
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yup, the fact that they did not move those warp-disabling fields to tranquility tells me the devs will allow instajump bookmarks in the game and thus they can't be an exploit.
However they also promised player deployable anti warp devices (i even remember them saying within a couple of days after castor) but i guess we'll have to wait for them a bit more.
morale of the story? Its still too easy to flee :)
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Albar Gray
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Posted - 2004.01.09 12:37:00 -
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As stated above, if you had bothered to read the pre castor patch notes, you would be aware that they had decided to allow insta jump bookmarks.
Originally they were going to put warp disruption fields aroung all gates, but instead they have decided to put deployable warp disruptors in early. The EVE-Gate CSM chat log implied it would be before the end of the month.
Then all you will have to do it tow the deployable structure to your favourite ganking point and be prepared to defend it when a large force turns up to atomise you
That is why they intend
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Qwakrz
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Posted - 2004.01.09 13:25:00 -
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Insta-Jump bookmarks should stay.
I use them for mining. It makes my life SO much easier in an indy to haul for miners in 0.6 space & jump out the system to the station where the ore is being stored. There are no gate camps, there is no one attacking me. It save so much time when your top speed is 150m/s.
I also think they need to introduce deployable warp inhibiters so that they can be deployed at jumpgates to stop people using insta-jumps BUT insta-jump in safe space should be kept.
In short, keep the bookmarks at gates but provide some way for people to block them with a device.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.09 13:46:00 -
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IIRC Bookmark jumping was going to removed in castor, so please bear with them.....
Not an alt and TomB said that in a CSM chat a while back that I was part of. Also all thoose insta-jump gates were to be removed as well....
We just have to wait for the warp field disruptions to be put back on gates and then all those with bookmarks will start to whine :)
They changed their minds: nerfing bookmarked gates would destroy the game due to vastly increased travel times (six hours to bring the bistot back from the far reaches of space.. I don't think so.)
What they are going to bring in is a warp disruptor MODULE .. if you deploy some of those around the gate you're camping, then bookmarks to that gate won't work, and ppl will have to fly in from 20km out or so. Which is what you want, and doesn't affect the rest of us warping to gates that you're not camping. And also means that people can't camp a gate indiscriminately, gank everything in sight, then just run away when a bigger and stronger force turns up. They'll lose all their warp disruptors if they do that. 
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.01.09 13:58:00 -
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Thing with bookmarks is you always appear in the same place. Now if someone were to sit there with, ooh, say 8 large smartbombs, it'd give you one hell of a headache.
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Lady Galadriel
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:01:00 -
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hahah
all hail bookmarks :)
its not an exploit its called mapping your trade route to ensure saftey and keep costs down and avoiding "illegal" cowboys and pirates harming buiness and trade in Eve
after all we had to travel the route to set the bookmarks up first - :)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:02:00 -
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Why don't you just camp the other side of the gate then?
Unloaking to warping leaves enough of a gap for a handily placed frigate to lock and warp jam.
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Luviera Silverwave
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:21:00 -
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Just wait for the "Warp Disruption Fields" That will be around Stations and Warp gate and god know what more. This will block all of these bookmark jumpers,
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johnathan
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:22:00 -
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frome carebare to carebear pirate so thats where they all went soon as i start r&d for
deployable warp scramblers hopeing to get the bp then ill sell you guys 1 deployable for o say 30mill if you wat to gank your going to have to pay the piper first otherwise quit yer whineing
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:26:00 -
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Just wait for the "Warp Disruption Fields" That will be around Stations and Warp gate and god know what more. This will block all of these bookmark jumpers,
Read the patch notes properly. No they won't.
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:29:00 -
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lol @ carebear pirates.
It's not our fault that you're too thick to work out how to counter bookmark jumping - now perhaps you'll have to be slightly more inventive than "sit by a gate and harass passing indys", which is the ultimate in laziness from pirates - and something that the Eve universe could do without. Start using your brains, as the better the pirates, the more interesting Eve is.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:36:00 -
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Its interesting, when we complained that gate lagging should be deemed an exploit we got flames back and people telling us that it was a legal tactic, when we complained that JIP lagging should be deemed an exploit, the same, when the -10 sec bug was abused all we got was flames and people calling us carebears and destroyers of the game... (I can go on and on and on and on)
I agree that there should be a better way for pirates to hunt players than gate camping and I agree that bookmark jumping is over the top but considering gate camping being as simple as it is its the only thing a smart player can do to get past a camp.
Give the haulers alternatives, ways to break the camp apart from sending in 10+ BS (a few of wich will most definently die if the campers are determined) and I say off with the instajump bookmarks.
The deployable inhibitor would be great, make it cost round 100M, have to be anchored in space and give the camp players somthing to protect.
If you have a 100M item that a camp breaking force can destroy will make the game a lot more fun.
One problem naturally (wich most probably is why its not in yet) is what to do with the ships that lands at a gate well within the inhibitor field... well I guess such ships could be given a 1m invulnerability to the field or somthing :)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:41:00 -
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"Why don't you just camp the other side of the gate then?"
... Because the game is bugged and half of people wind up anywhere but near the gate on the other side after they jump? :s
(on the other hand it means another random bunch appears at the camped gate uncloaked even if they never intended to be there...)
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Brukhai Khan
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Posted - 2004.01.09 14:47:00 -
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I agree, gate bookmarks need to go... with instajump bookmarks any form of combat is pretty much gone, since you can rush by whatever blockade there is.
I don¦t use jump bookmarks, at least not in potentially hostile areas because I think it defeats the purpose of the game, and the purpose of those people making an effort to play the pirates.
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Gallente paperboy
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Posted - 2004.01.09 15:44:00 -
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bookmarks kill blockades.
even an indy will break through all the time.
this is bad for the game.
bookmarks should give an advantage, but not like this.
Want some cheese with that whine?
Blockades are a deadly pain in the rear. AFAIC the only way round them is either have a large escort (too expensive) or bookmarks.
All I'm hearing hear is whaa whaa whaa it's tough being a bad guy. Grow a set.
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hah <hands him the 'GPB Spot the whiners' award>
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.09 16:09:00 -
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IIRC Bookmark jumping was going to removed in castor, so please bear with them.....
Not an alt and TomB said that in a CSM chat a while back that I was part of. Also all thoose insta-jump gates were to be removed as well....
We just have to wait for the warp field disruptions to be put back on gates and then all those with bookmarks will start to whine :)
It was decided for the purposes of reducing travel time in most cases not to put in the static warp disruptors at gates.
But it is planned to "backport" the player-deployable warp disruptors from Shiva back to Castor. Originally the timetable for this was a few days after Castor, I've heard now it's planned for late January I think.
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BoBoZoBo
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Posted - 2004.01.09 16:43:00 -
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.09 17:40:00 -
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Why don't you just camp the other side of the gate then?
Unloaking to warping leaves enough of a gap for a handily placed frigate to lock and warp jam.
Gate to gate jumping is too inconsistent.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.09 17:42:00 -
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lol @ carebear pirates.
It's not our fault that you're too thick to work out how to counter bookmark jumping - now perhaps you'll have to be slightly more inventive than "sit by a gate and harass passing indys", which is the ultimate in laziness from pirates - and something that the Eve universe could do without. Start using your brains, as the better the pirates, the more interesting Eve is.
:)
Pirates benefit from instajump bookmarks just as much as everyone else. They're still retarded.
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.01.09 17:53:00 -
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"can think of at least 2 ways to beat insta-jump bookmarks to stargates."
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.09 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 09/01/2004 19:20:39
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bookmarks kill blockades.
even an indy will break through all the time.
this is bad for the game.
bookmarks should give an advantage, but not like this.
Want some cheese with that whine?
Blockades are a deadly pain in the rear. AFAIC the only way round them is either have a large escort (too expensive) or bookmarks.
All I'm hearing hear is whaa whaa whaa it's tough being a bad guy. Grow a set.
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hah <hands him the 'GPB Spot the whiners' award>
can t spot a whine in my post, just stating the facts.
insta jumps are bad for the game.
and who ever believes that we ll see warpdisrupters this month has more faith than i do in this company. (remember the 2-3 days promise before chrismas???)
and of course it isn t an exploit, just another stupid feature.
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Sinikad
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Posted - 2004.01.09 19:24:00 -
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Ridiculous post, and im pretty sure you were the one in an indy a couple days ago gathering pirate loot in pf-345 and fd-mlj when i was bookmarking them in a shuttle.
First : For the guy that said people should have to fight their way through a blockade and get through only if they are strong enough - If you can't camp that choke 24/7, and thus *prevent bookmarking in the first place*, you and your corp or alliance aren't powerful enough to 'own' it. When this game becomes totally about brute strength and not about using your brain, there will be no reason for new players to join and little reason for old players to stay. Pure strength in this game is about skill points and ship type, and obviously any new player will never catch up in skill points.
Second : For the rats that block the chokes around pf-345, try using your map and hunting elsewhere. If you camp the same spot all the time, you can count on people finding a way around you.
If ccp makes it so there is *no* way around you at all, then there will be no more reason to play. There is no way in hell im going to sit in empire space and mine scordite while whacking 2 and 4k npc rats constantly, what is the point of that.
The occasional intelligent blockader or pc rat makes running the blockades much more interesting.
My only reservation about bm is that people should not be able to copy them. That means you have to take some risk to gain the reward.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.09 19:57:00 -
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Ridiculous post, (...)
First : For the guy that said people should have to fight their way through a blockade and get through only if they are strong enough - If you can't camp that choke 24/7, and thus *prevent bookmarking in the first place*, you and your corp or alliance aren't powerful enough to 'own' it. When this game becomes totally about brute strength and not about using your brain, there will be no reason for new players to join and little reason for old players to stay. Pure strength in this game is about skill points and ship type, and obviously any new player will never catch up in skill points.
truely, a ridiculous post. assuming someone could hold a system 24/7 against someone who just needs to click "add bookmark" is among the weirdest thoughts i ever heard.
and as you point out, as long as copying is around ... (and this will not go, as it is about the only tool we have for those fabulous "player driven events")
btw, even i think that a dedicated frigate should be able to break a blockade. at the moment every hauler can!
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If ccp makes it so there is *no* way around you at all, then there will be no more reason to play. There is no way in hell im going to sit in empire space and mine scordite while whacking 2 and 4k npc rats constantly, what is the point of that.
-Sinik
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2004.01.09 20:08:00 -
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lol its called tactics and good for them
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.10 23:22:00 -
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lol its called tactics and good for them
did you call JIC tactics as well?
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Lucas Bowman
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Posted - 2004.01.11 01:39:00 -
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Oh shut up! Ships are crawling along now, takes hours to get anywhere, and all you can do is belly ache cause people aren't lining up to be killed by you! You want action, go take on a pirate or pirate hunter and leave the unarmed or light combat pilots alone if you want killing action.
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Crypt
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Posted - 2004.01.11 01:48:00 -
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Miners have to hunt good belts to mine, npc farmers have to hunt good spawns to kill, traders have to make find and keep good routes, why should pirates be able to sit on their lazy behinds and not have to do any kind of work in thier profession of choice?
Camping gates and not doing anything to make your isk other than killing indies is too easy.
I'd recommend ya'll stop whining and get off your lazy behinds and actually go and hunt your prey like someone else had mentioned.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.11 01:51:00 -
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The pirate's gripe is legitimate, but they're shooting the wrong target. Bookmarks should not be nerfed: warp disruptor units should be brought in ASAP, so that the pirates can nerf bookmarks where they're at and the rest of us can still use them.
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KrapYl
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Posted - 2004.01.11 02:06:00 -
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Why don't you just camp the other side of the gate then?
Unloaking to warping leaves enough of a gap for a handily placed frigate to lock and warp jam.
cause even if u in an frigate, u never going to lock my battleship leaving in about 2 secs after I(me&myship) load the system...
activate a MWD during loading, and the cycle is jsut about timed to deactivate after warp is started... so when i loose the speed from the MWD and then my speed is far over 80%.... bum, insta warp, away from gate...
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.11 09:45:00 -
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Miners have to hunt good belts to mine, npc farmers have to hunt good spawns to kill, traders have to make find and keep good routes, why should pirates be able to sit on their lazy behinds and not have to do any kind of work in thier profession of choice?
Camping gates and not doing anything to make your isk other than killing indies is too easy.
I'd recommend ya'll stop whining and get off your lazy behinds and actually go and hunt your prey like someone else had mentioned.
lol. finding a good mining belt is so difficult, a lot of ppl simply stay in their starting system. or did they find the perfect belt there???
you re pirate experiences is clearly from second or third hand (or only "passive"?). why not get a grip, earn those easy isks the lazy way yourself?
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