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Apocalytica Insomnia
DarkSide Defenders
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Apocalytica Insomnia on 28/05/2007 00:16:43
Edited by: Apocalytica Insomnia on 28/05/2007 00:16:23
As far I am aware, GUARD / The Pentagramm is fighting against Invictus / Frege / RusA / Project Enthrophy and IRON since a few days.
Since days the "ships destroyed in past 24hrs" counter in 8-2JZA never felt under 55 ships. Also, the Guard / The Pentagramm KB's do not match with IVC killboard (IVC is missing a lot of losses) and it seems like, they are fighting hard.
GUARD is known as loyal pro Northern alliance. They showed up when a threat came up, are they now getting powned by their "friends"? Anyone know more?
Apocalytica Insomnia
DSD - Accounting and More |
Deadspace2
Gallente
DaRk MaTtEr INC.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:42:00 -
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seems like some pew pew is going on ive been scouting it out up there havent seen rusa/project enthropy and iron around at all so fars its been guard and pentagramm vs ivc and frege and both ivc and gaurd kb's are missing losses |
Nicodemos
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nicodemos on 28/05/2007 10:17:54
We miss losses in our board? We keep our pilots keeping it actual, but apocalyptica is right, IVC did not post a lot of losses. Look it up on your own, make your own minds:
http://kb.eve-guard.de/
http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/
match losses and kills...
Edit: Signature where missing:
Nicodemos, GUARD Alliance.
GUARD Alliance |
ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:37:00 -
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To provide a more accurate view you can also view kills/losses on the frege billboards.
http://j-op.tickyticky.net/killboard/
Also to show sovereignty changes please compare.
This Map (Pre-War)
To
This Map (Current war status)
Also, Pentagram & Four Elements have been helping guard as well if you wish to add those kill stats to any comparisons.
Make Mining Better |
IntegralHellsing
Gallente
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.28 11:09:00 -
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of course most members of Invictus are not going to post their losses.
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Krem daBrut
Minmatar
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.28 12:13:00 -
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 Originally by: ghosttr
To provide a more accurate view you can also view kills/losses on the frege billboards.
http://j-op.tickyticky.net/killboard/
Nice joke, you need to login to see anything on your kb.
somthing to hide ? ;)
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Deadspace2
Gallente
DaRk MaTtEr INC.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nicodemos
Edited by: Nicodemos on 28/05/2007 10:17:54
We miss losses in our board? We keep our pilots keeping it actual, but apocalyptica is right, IVC did not post a lot of losses. Look it up on your own, make your own minds:
http://kb.eve-guard.de/
http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/
match losses and kills...
seems guard ur missing alot of losses for this week
seems like the pew pew is fun up there might have to take a stop by but then again theres alot of guard in uemon pulling out maybe idk.
Edit: Signature where missing:
Nicodemos, GUARD Alliance.
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Tugaru
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Posted - 2007.05.28 23:29:00 -
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Looks like plenty of kills happening there atm, and yes, both sides appear to be mising killmails... perhaps if they both used the feed syndication properly along with others then an accurate picture could be formed.
From intel I have received, Guard and buddies are losing at this point, but are bringing the fight with gusto. No one I asked seems to know what the pew pew is actually over though.
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 06:26:00 -
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There is fighting.
Things are exploding.
Invictus decided they need a little more space, in a "nice region, we'll take it" kind of way. The others help them achieve that, although I don't know what the other alliances goal is. Apart from the pewpew.
That's about it.
My posts are my own and have nothing to do with corporation or alliance views.
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Tugaru
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny
"Invictus decided they need a little more space"
If what I have just been told by people in the know is correct... then you're wrong on that score. |
Marcus Taron
Minmatar
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Taron on 29/05/2007 09:45:27
and i was told from people they know your people that they are wrong!
are you aware how laughable such statements sound?
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MenionLeah GAC
Caldari
Advanced Creatures of Multiple Empires
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:14:00 -
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I just came back to eve after 7 month not playing. Just in the right time to find old friends and us in war.
I am very disappointed about that and i don¦t really understand the reasons yet.
I remember times when I fought together with FREGE (which was one of our first "friends" in Alparena for example) and also with IRON in Deklein. Think that was a good time and I really dont understand what happened now.
But it seems that everything in EVE changes so far. It is very hard to find loyal friends that wont change sides for some isk.
Even D2, which were "good friends" of GUARD do now play on the other side. Not attacking us, but others who might have helped us in that war.
It¦s really a shame to see things like that. But how does it say in a commercial ?
"It seperates the boys from the men." I can only hope that there are enough "men" left in eve, that stay to their words and think the same way, we do.
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Shadow Elk on 29/05/2007 10:35:15
From what I understand this all boils down to Guard eating up more space then they can handle. Big does not mean strong. And trying to look strong by holding alot of space(i.e looking big) will only attract bigger enemies.
Originally by: Dianabolic
We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots.
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Sheila Chandra
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:21:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Shadow Elk
Edited by: Shadow Elk on 29/05/2007 10:35:15
From what I understand this all boils down to Guard eating up more space then they can handle. Big does not mean strong. And trying to look strong by holding alot of space(i.e looking big) will only attract bigger enemies.
So to make you "understand" a bit more then just what Invictus is telling people, this war is NOT a question of how much space GUARD had. It is a question of Invictus betraying the MAD PACT as they decided with less then the half alliances that are in the PACT to kick GUARD out and start a war. More then half of the alliances didnt even know that there is a vote.
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Nathalya
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:56:00 -
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We'll fight until our last ship goes down. And well invictus started this war and at least without support they wouldn't have shot down even one of our outpost towers.
Invictus stated that they need more space to grow (sorry but if you know about history...). Anyway they gathered allies and now we have this nice and really fun war going on. Of course we can't stand against:
Invictus, Frege, Iron, Event Horizon, Volition Cult and Rule of Three, but they have challanged us, we will accept the challenge and fight until death for glory.
If they want my assets, they'll first have to shoot me down. In the end i can say that others up there should really think about their "friends" cause they'll probably get backstabbed, too.
So in the end we probably have lost our space, but not our pride and we had a lot of fun and i hope the other involved parties had, too, also invictus removed the campaign after dropping under 20% effect and stopped posting "some" of their loses.
So far thanks for the fight and i'm looking forward for the final battle :)
Best regards,
Nathalya
ps: Seems that "good" weather for the drone regions is going to come, the sky is getting blue up there...
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Drused
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny
"Invictus decided they need a little more space"
You're wrong. I'm sure your leaders can contact our leaders and all that. From what I've been told, it has been a smack free fight from both sides which is nice to think about.
Originally by: Tugaru
If what I have just been told by people in the know is correct... then you're wrong on that score.
You may be correct on the why, but you are definitely correct on the second part of your sentence.
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Agent Stone
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.05.29 13:00:00 -
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Its strange how GUARD pilots and The Pentagram pilots seem to be a little in the dark as to the reasons behind this conflict.
Its not my place to go to much into details. But GUARD brought this on themselves, and there head diplomat did very little to resolve small issues leading up to this. Instead being arogant, showing a lack of respect and trying to bully almost, local alliances they had blue standings with.
Looking back over the logs, its almost as if the GUARD head diplomat wanted a conflict?!?
Originally by: kill0rbunny
Invictus decided they need a little more space, in a "nice region, we'll take it" kind of way. The others help them achieve that, although I don't know what the other alliances goal is. Apart from the pewpew.
Um, I am pretty sure this was not Invictus's main reason. In the short time I have flown with Invictus pilots, I have learned much, and gained much respect for both Invictus's leadership and pilots.
Originally by: Nathalya
And well invictus started this war and at least without support they wouldn't have shot down even one of our outpost towers.
Invictus did not start this war. The war could have been diverted if GUARD had simply shown a little respect and talked weeks ago.
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GusHobbleton
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.29 16:46:00 -
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There is definitely a war on. I was transferring some high value items through the drone regions in my trusty Serapis, a craft of the Cheetah class, and came upon a scene of carnage on a gate. Wrecks, hundreds of them, within a 100 kilometer radius. I enabled biomass scanning for my pod's integrated HUD, and saw literally dozens of corpses sucking vacuum, a veritable minefield threatening the integrity of my cloak. I left with much haste.
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DNSBLACK
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Posted - 2007.05.29 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: DNSBLACK on 29/05/2007 18:30:42
1. Let me first say the fighting on both side has been fun and nicely done. Both sides have stayed away from the smack talk and badgering in local. My hats off to all the pilots involved in this conflict. You have been fighting with honor and integrity. As for the K/D and kill boards not being correct all i can say is in the end things will be sorted out.
2. As for the reason why it boils down to a disagreement period. The diplomats on both sides worked hard to resolve the issues at hand with in the deadline set by the leadership. The hours spent working towards a peacful settlement have been unmatch in eve in a long time. Keeping the pack together was at the for front.
3. As with any war when communication breaks down you must prepare for the worse. In a game that has pilots with ships that shoot we all know what will happen if a peacful settlement cant not be found.
4. Well GUARD on its terms decided to move away from the MAD agreement. Alot of us were sadden by this but we understood the impotance of preserving the union of friends we have out here. To the pilots in GUARD I just wanted you to know that this was over your alliance abusing the mad pack and trying to extort 8 billion isk from another alliance in the pact. You are fighting cause your leaderhsip thought it better to leverage your isk and ships for 1 small unarmed POS and a system grab that they had no right to in the first place.
5. As for Pentagram I was there the night this all got started and as a member of MAD who was choosing not to enforce the agreement all we ask was for your pilots to leave 8-2 and not to get involved. Your piltos did not leave the area and choose to be at every gate and watch the fight from the GUARD side. We again ask you to leave the area. I will state that no Pentagram pilot engaged in any fighting that night for either side. It was not until the following day that you decided to choose sides. Not sure why you selected the side that was in violation of the pact but that was your choice to make. The Pact never intended to fire appon you but when you are around a large fleet battle sometimes things are not clear cut on what to shoot. You have choosen to side with Guard and we will respect you as an enemy as much as we respected you as a friend.
6. To all those on the outside looking in this is what eve is all about. Each side believes they are in the right and have step up to fight for there position. After this is over may both sides walk away with there integrity, honor intact and a smile on your face  . See you on the battle field my old friends.
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Saubraten
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Posted - 2007.05.29 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Saubraten on 29/05/2007 19:14:03
some correction to the comment above:
1. GUARD has been removed from the MAD pact via alliance vote (only 4 alliances were attenting the meeting, 3 voted for kicking), after that the war has been declared by IVC only. FREGE, Rule of Three, Project Entropy, Iron, The Volition Cult, Rona Alliance, Endless Horizon and afaik KaTet jumped on the bandwaggon. Anyone missing??
2. First aggression against THE-P done by FREGE/IVC: http://80.146.165.83/pentagram/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=935
but lets keep the smack down and have a great time up there ;)
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DNSBLACK
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Posted - 2007.05.29 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: DNSBLACK on 29/05/2007 19:45:27
1. To all Pent members again I have to wonder about your leadership risking so much for just one vexor. Iam sure that 90% of all pilots in the drones space at one time have come under blue vs blue friendly fire and have worked it out. Mistakes happen and we all know eve is buggy at times.
2. I have first hand knowledge that your pilots prior to this vexor being blown up were assiting guard by moving equipment for them cause they knew we would not fire on them. We were told to ask your pilots to leave the area and not to come back but they choose to remain and assit Guard while they were blue to us. We ask nicly again for all P to leave the area or risk being apart of this conflict. You chose to continue to use you blue standing to assit GUARD with intel and the moving of enemy equipment. By not leaving the area and by offering aid to the enemy you selected sides in this fight. It was your actions that drew you into this not one vexor kill. I hope that your P pilots understand this.
3. As for the bandwagon I must disagree with you. That wagon has had the same passangers on it from the start and at one time P and GUARD had a seat. It was action on your parts that have brought this fight to bare against you. No one alliance can be pointed out as the reason for this fight on the PACT side. I just hope your pilots understand that it was the GUARD and P leadership who has put them in this postion. May you fight and die with honor my friends see you on the battle field.
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 20:34:00 -
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This war is over. As of 20.30 evetime today a surrender agreement with trial time is in place.
I salute both GUARD and The Pentagram. Evolution can be painful, but I trust life goes on. You stood tall.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
TJ17
Gallente
Fallen Angels Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 21:51:00 -
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good fights m8's best time i had in awhile very little smack and good fights on both sides. guard and thep i salute u for the fun we had and gl with ur future to the guy above crying about a *****train it was only IVC and frege at the start of the war the others came for the pew pew but gf either way and very little lag on my side but there wehere times lag was bad but hats off to the hamsters for keeping the node up
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 22:49:00 -
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Was fun. Sad it's over but congratz to the winners anyways.
My posts are my own and have nothing to do with corporation or alliance views.
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Waldi Moeter
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Waldi Moeter on 30/05/2007 08:04:21
*wrong char.*
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Icke Carter
Gallente
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:06:00 -
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It was a good fight and i had a lot of Fun. The only thing i can say:
"You Started it, you lost many ships, but at least we lost"
Proud Member of "The Pentagram" |
Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2007.05.30 09:50:00 -
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In every conflict, there are always several possible views. You will believe what you want to belive.
Back-stabbing or diplomatic fault ? It's not important because it's over now. If you really interested in history try to discover it by yourself, dig up logs, convo diplomats etc. Just do not repeat concepts, unproofed facts..this makes it only worse. Don't act like robot stacked in a infinite loop. So much for that.
As for the fighting, I'm back from a 6 day campaign. 4-5h sleep every day. Homedefense. My eyes are still red :) Morale was very high til final battle when technical problems - disconnects, lag, I'm sure all of you know the pain - transfered defender fleet to ashes. Ivc+friends, thank you for jumping with your capitals toward our BS fleet..I've never seen a MS ship before :) It was real fun, so big thanks to all participating pilots, scouts, snipers, support, fc's , literaly every flying object in 8-2 and area ! greetings
-Zhula
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Jarne
COMBINE Corporation
G.U.A.R.D.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:53:00 -
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In the past days of home defense I have had some of the best moment in my EVE life. Thank you for that, mad pact, although I still don't understand the reasons for you attacking GUARD. Many thanks to our last allies, too! I feel sorry that you will be kicked out now, too.
On another note: I still wonder where the "GUARD" campaign in the IVC killboard went after the first engagements. The "Defense" campaign in the GUARD kb is still there, and you can clearly see the loss of the war in the ship losses over the last three days. I hope this lost war will not overshadow the great battles won before, neither in your not in my mind.
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Agent Stone
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.05.30 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jarne
On another note: I still wonder where the "GUARD" campaign in the IVC killboard went after the first engagements.
Ah, Invictus renamed it to Operation Icecream on there Killboard.
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Nicodemos
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Posted - 2007.05.30 16:45:00 -
[30]
Originally by: DNSBLACK
Edited by: DNSBLACK on 29/05/2007 18:30:42
4. ........ To the pilots in GUARD I just wanted you to know that this was over your alliance abusing the mad pack and trying to extort 8 billion isk from another alliance in the pact. .....
Just a short reminder:
Chatlog "Kali Lead"-channel,
[ 2007.05.20 12:36:34 ] Zheusius > Just to clarify, is Violation Cult in MAD?
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:01 ] Traderjohn > yep
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:02 ] Desron > Not that I know of. Check MOTD...
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:02 ] Alexander Crichton > afaik they are not
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:11 ] Traderjohn > ok they arnt
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:14 ] Traderjohn > lol
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:16 ] Alexander Crichton > lol
Originally by: DNSBLACK
Edited by: DNSBLACK on 29/05/2007 18:30:42
6. To all those on the outside looking in this is what eve is all about. Each side believes they are in the right and have step up to fight for there position. After this is over may both sides walk away with there integrity, honor intact and a smile on your face . See you on the battle field my old friends.
/signed and I do agree 100% on this.
Nicodemos, GUARD Alliance
GUARD Alliance |
Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:41:00 -
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*whistles away*
"I am matter... I am anti-matter...
I can see your past... I can see your future...
I consume time... And I will consume you!"
-Culex (SMRPG) |
Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Stone
Originally by: Jarne
On another note: I still wonder where the "GUARD" campaign in the IVC killboard went after the first engagements.
Ah, Invictus renamed it to Operation Icecream on there Killboard.
Operation Icecream: A Convo too far...
To GUARD: I truly feel for you guys, most of us, at least in IXC know what its like to lose a home. But its the way things go. Nothing remains the same forever in EVE. At some point, we'll be the losers, and some new alliance will move in. Just remember, its never the end. There's plenty of space out there, take the oppurtunity to have some fun away from POSs, enjoy EVE. 
As to why we did this, our kb accuracies, etc. I'm not going to get into it. But if I ever figure out who in IVC isn't posting his losses, he'll get to have a little chat with me and prlly a lot more people.
GF, even though I missed pretty much all of the action to health issues.
GL in the future, guys.
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Marcus Taron
Minmatar
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:05:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Taron on 31/05/2007 06:07:14
Edited by: Marcus Taron on 31/05/2007 06:04:52
its a suprise, ivc had once a Campaign named G.U.A.R.D and as the Efficiency drop below something of 50% they delete it. Now they have the icecream Campaign with 68,61% after all fights occour.
I wonder if you dont want to show anyone that you was pretty beat up by us as it was only against you over the Daytime here in Europe, before the other allys came to your aid.
But it was a great time and i thank all of you for the Experience i have collect.
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Tugaru
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:47:00 -
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As far as I am aware, the campaign was deleted as it had been created prior to some political based timer passing away, and thus was a pre-emptive move that SHOULDN'T have been made when it was.
In other words, the board admin screwed up and jumped the gun. |
TJ17
Gallente
Fallen Angels Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:59:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Marcus Taron
Edited by: Marcus Taron on 31/05/2007 06:07:14
Edited by: Marcus Taron on 31/05/2007 06:04:52
its a suprise, ivc had once a Campaign named G.U.A.R.D and as the Efficiency drop below something of 50% they delete it. Now they have the icecream Campaign with 68,61% after all fights occour.
I wonder if you dont want to show anyone that you was pretty beat up by us as it was only against you over the Daytime here in Europe, before the other allys came to your aid.
But it was a great time and i thank all of you for the Experience i have collect.
ok some guy posted about the same thing acouple posts up u want to stop flamming this post
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Wesley Baird
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 13:23:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Marcus Taron
I wonder if you dont want to show anyone that you was pretty beat up by us as it was only against you over the Daytime here in Europe, before the other allys came to your aid.
But it was a great time and i thank all of you for the Experience i have collect.
Just wanted to correct you, we had Frege pilots on 23/7...I was very active in the sniper fleet *Snip* OOC - Timmeh(as were many Frege pilots), which is when the funnest fights were going on. The last big fleet engagement was awesome! *Snip* OOC - Timmeh, but the there was 20 minutes of pure pew-pew.
The leadership of each alliance knows the true story why the war happened. I know I spoke with multiple Pentragram pilots and diplo's, we offered them a way out, they chose to stand by their friends (something I fully respect). Pew Pew on a very large scale occurred.
Much respect to those who stayed and fought and kept things smack free, and to those crazy *Snip* OOC - Timmehwho stayed up all night and shared a few laughs with the *Snip* OOC - Timmeh pilots in local (at some points it would be 100+ on our side, 3 on theirs!!).
It was also an honor to fly with IVC pilots, we had alot of laughs and strengthend the bonds of friendship between our alliances. Nothing is better for friends than sharing a battle-ground.
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Timmeh 2000
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:58:00 -
[37]
Please stay in character at all times in this forum.
So, is it easy being green? -Elmo
"This house is your own, still living alone, it donĘt make you sad, but I think itĘs good to be green." |
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:33:00 -
[38]
Lol so many posts saying 'if only xxx had shown more respect to xxx this wouldnt have happened'
Everyone wants to get respect but nobody wants to show it.
Quote:
ItĘs not every day an MMO declares war on a huge segment of their own community. Then again, Eve is pretty damn hardcore |
Thoric Frosthammer
Fallen Angels Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:44:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Thoric Frosthammer on 01/06/2007 16:43:24
On a more important note, why does Timmah's sig say he's a lieutentant, but show captain's bars? Back to remedial military insignia class for you boyo.
Not really sure why fighting in a hostile universe requires any particular justification or explanation to the peanut gallery. As long as actions are taken for what we and our allies considered good reasons, then victory speaks for itself. Arguing with the peanut gallery over said justifications is usually a waste of time, as they'll already have formed their own opinions, and we're unlikely to change those.
Sad I missed it, went on vacation a day or two before the icecream incident :(.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:38:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer
Edited by: Thoric Frosthammer on 01/06/2007 16:43:24
On a more important note, why does Timmah's sig say he's a lieutentant, but show captain's bars? Back to remedial military insignia class for you boyo.
CRC Follows the ancient Navy Insignia not the ancient "airforce"
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EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
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Demondrew
Minmatar
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:40:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Demondrew on 01/06/2007 17:43:42
Edited by: Demondrew on 01/06/2007 17:43:03
Thoric,
The bars you see on his sig are LT in the navy. The same rank in the army is called Captain. I guess it all depends on what service of military your using.
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Thoric Frosthammer
Fallen Angels Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:58:00 -
[42]
Gotcha, forgot about the navy. Silly boat playing with people.
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Lizhia
Gallente
Macabre Votum
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:00:00 -
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Was a good fight. And I learned much from it.
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Sheila Chandra
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.06.01 22:01:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer
Not really sure why fighting in a hostile universe requires any particular justification or explanation to the peanut gallery. As long as actions are taken for what we and our allies considered good reasons, then victory speaks for itself. Arguing with the peanut gallery over said justifications is usually a waste of time, as they'll already have formed their own opinions, and we're unlikely to change those.
Politics are a strong present and interesting part of the EvE Universe, if everyone would only make actions and no discussions about it, we all would only have half of the fun ;)
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Cmd Criton
Caldari
Zooner Corp
G.U.A.R.D.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 03:01:00 -
[45]
I finally found the flame thread 
Nah serious. It was a really cool week of fighting and i respect both fronts for keeping local clear of smacktalk. *snip* OOC -Rauth Unfortunatly we eventually had to realise that we couldnt win this fight, especaially after FREGE and IVC rocked up with appr. 20 capitalships and about 70 support. *snip* OOC -Rauth
Id like to make a toast to our only true friends The-P for standing side by side with us all the way. 
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Lord DeFault
Minmatar
Serenity Prime
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.02 06:42:00 -
[46]
All that fun? :<
Your making me miss the drone regions lol
Drone regions have been ticking over for some time...
Be ashame to see the Pentagram disaspear to a major gank.
Built them selfs a nice little home out there.
Anyways, I hope you hold your own.
Seting up camp there allways was riskY.
Your not still Blue to Oxide are you
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Elenia Kheynes
Caldari
Avatars of Doom
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 10:03:00 -
[47]
I feel sorry for you Nicodemos.
From the conversations I had with you it is obvious that you and your alliance were abusing of the "first tower to claim" system. I never thought things would go this far though.
From my experience in the drone regions you have been arrogant and agressive. I'll pass on the blackmailing, there is no need to detail this.
It's obvious that Invictus wasn't looking for more space, simply to remove a very annoying neighbour.
Doesn't mean I like Invictus. I'm just merely stating facts here. To be honest, and I'm sorry to say this, you really got what you deserved. 
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 13:57:00 -
[48]
GF g.u.a.r.d and The-P.
- Gob
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Apocalytica Insomnia
DarkSide Defenders
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Posted - 2007.06.03 20:45:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Apocalytica Insomnia on 03/06/2007 20:49:48
Edited by: Apocalytica Insomnia on 03/06/2007 20:47:16
As the person starting this thread i have some follow-up questions, related to what i read about the whole conflict in this thread and what's public knowledge via EVE-map and multiple killboards.
IF this was all about an extortion, how come that as initiator, not the Invictus Alliance is holding the station, nor the ones that where supposeded to be extorted (Volition Cult).
How come that it smells a little bit fishy, seeing that the space is claimed by Invictus, including 8-2. But the 8-2 station is claimed by Iron, without beeing really involved in the fight (KB's), who gave up quite fast on their own home, and that their former, and now splintered friends from D2 are attacking those that have not been present on voting the Guard Alliance out of the Mad-pact.
ooc:
Reminds me of the Series "Jericho", where the now homeless onces are running towards the south as the winter tries to catch up with em, after a series of nuclear attacks, braught down the infastructure of the US.
(check http://imdb.com/title/tt0805663/ for reference)
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Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar
Freedom for All
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Apocalytica Insomnia
IF this was all about an extortion, how come that as initiator, not the Invictus Alliance is holding the station, nor the ones that where supposeded to be extorted (Volition Cult).
A millstone round my neck is more useful than an outpost near to a mainpipe in a system with 70 moons in it.
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.06.04 10:07:00 -
[51]
At least we know now, which alliances are trustable and which are not.
Iron, D2 and the MAD Pact are clearly not on that list.
I pew therefore I am.
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Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar
Freedom for All
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.06.04 14:05:00 -
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At least we know now which alliances abuse agreements between allies until they get kicked. If you are that naive that you still believe your leaderships fairy tales about mean backstabbs, then it's your problem. The guard diplomat had months to solve it in a diplomatic way.
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.06.05 07:15:00 -
[53]
Edited by: kill0rbunny on 05/06/2007 07:14:21
Originally by: Pherusa Plumosa
At least we know now which alliances abuse agreements between allies until they get kicked. If you are that naive that you still believe your leaderships fairy tales about mean backstabbs, then it's your problem. The guard diplomat had months to solve it in a diplomatic way.
I lol'd
So you think making a decision about a pact involving 4 out of the 10 member alliances is democratic.
We'll do as you please, iron has it's hideout now, the goal should be reached, no more need for forum war.
We took our conclusions, what your leaders made you believe is not relevant to us.
I pew therefore I am.
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Nicodemos
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Posted - 2007.06.05 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
I feel sorry for you Nicodemos.
From the conversations I had with you it is obvious that you and your alliance were abusing of the "first tower to claim" system. I never thought things would go this far though.
From my experience in the drone regions you have been arrogant and agressive. I'll pass on the blackmailing, there is no need to detail this.
It's obvious that Invictus wasn't looking for more space, simply to remove a very annoying neighbour.
Doesn't mean I like Invictus. I'm just merely stating facts here. To be honest, and I'm sorry to say this, you really got what you deserved.
Nice to hear this btw from someone who tried to deal around with others space. Remember 9F-ERQ which you have given to Invictus some ago, and which you can't remember as Virt and I talked to you why you did not tell anything about to us. But well, you can tell in Forums what ever you like. Try to deal with your own things next time. There was a reason why Apocalyptica left the constellation they where settled in. The simple reasons was that Apocalyptica caused a lot of issues and at some point you guys brought things really to a boiling point.
How I already told you, say something, stay on it, and keep on your promises. Don't tell **** like you had in this posting.
To Violation Cult. There where agreements. I am not really suprised to see you guys ignore them. But it was nice work to go that close to our neighbours and begging around for them to declare war on us. (This accordingly to the 3rd last reason we got told about the "why we are declaring war"). If you not, just another given reason which was to hide the simple truth. Invictus wanted to get us out, startet a campain and formed up a grid of intrigues. How I already said, well done Virt, was good work. As this was my first 0.0 experience as Alliance leader, I will be prepared on things like this next time hopefully. But be aware, you might have started something which you won't be able to handel in future.
That it was not personally, I can see in the point that you have started to agress now them, which have not helped, because of "we are trying to stay neutral and hope not to be the next"-Politics. What if you guys have sorted the single not-IVC-Friendly alliances, too? Will you start to kick DMC, Oxide and the others out? I will watch the map for the next time, and in our alliance, I will start a bet on "who will be next...." :)
Stay tuned :)
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Sheila Chandra
Marquie-X Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.05 08:10:00 -
[55]
So much to the given Word from MAD Pact that TheP could have stayed if they had not helped guard if you now agress the rest there. I guess this says all about trusting IVC's and FREGE's words
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Wesley Baird
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.05 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sheila Chandra
So much to the given Word from MAD Pact that TheP could have stayed if they had not helped guard if you now agress the rest there. I guess this says all about trusting IVC's and FREGE's words
Alot of people with lots to say who don't know what happened. Frege was 100% upfront and honest about all of its actions and dealings. War could easily have been avoided...say what you will about Frege, we wont be asking our neighbours for 8 billion isk for space we don't own...
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Arilanus Doshenko
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.06.05 23:51:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Nicodemos
To Violation Cult. There where agreements. I am not really suprised to see you guys ignore them.
Which we agreed to. GUARD broke their own rules whilst expecting VOLT to honour them. At the time hostilities broke out, I had been waiting more than two weeks for an official response to my evemail to you on that matter. Instead of further discussion, you simply attempted to extort isk from us for space that, by GUARD's own rules, we already considered 'ours' - yet were willing to share with you.
Originally by: Nicodemos
But it was nice work to go that close to our neighbours and begging around for them to declare war on us. (This accordingly to the 3rd last reason we got told about the "why we are declaring war"). If you not, just another given reason which was to hide the simple truth.
You can't state that VOLT aren't 'official' MAD members (as if that vindicates your actions toward a blue neighbour), then suggest we have enough political power over MAD to turn your former allies against you. They had already made up their own minds - by the time we contacted them about our concerns, events were already in motion.
Originally by: Nicodemos
What if you guys have sorted the single not-IVC-Friendly alliances, too? Will you start to kick DMC, Oxide and the others out? I will watch the map for the next time, and in our alliance, I will start a bet on "who will be next...." :)
Don't accuse people of intrigues, then attempt some tinfoil-hat shenanigans of your own.
I can't speak for FREGE, Invictus or others, but if GUARD had simply maintained proper, open diplomatic contact with their allies then maybe this chain of events would not have happened.
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Constantin Catweazle
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.06 22:28:00 -
[58]
Seems IVC is against Stella Polar now...
But hey, there is no fighting for more Space they must be ***holes too...
Hope you doesn't have to delete the Campain in your Killboard again cause of bad K/D-ratio.
My advice: tell everyone the reason is that SP would use their space as hideout for ex-D2 allies and and give it to iron after you won.
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Thoric Frosthammer
Fallen Angels Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.06 22:46:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Constantin Catweazle
Seems IVC is against Stella Polar now...
But hey, there is no fighting for more Space they must be ***holes too...
Hope you doesn't have to delete the Campain in your Killboard again cause of bad K/D-ratio.
My advice: tell everyone the reason is that SP would use their space as hideout for ex-D2 allies and and give it to iron after you won.
Said the whining member of... Caldari noob corp is it? I wasn't aware we needed a reason to shoot someone red to us, who sends raiders into our space? Do they also have to insult our mom or something before we're allowed to shoot them? Or do we need a plebiscite of the peanut gallery before initiating hostilities?
As I've said before arguing with entitlement mentality jagoffs here is semi pointless. They either get it or they don't.
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Nora Catweazle
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Posted - 2007.06.07 22:32:00 -
[60]
Giving contra without giving a real answer... Grats to IVC for having such great forum warriors.
Being in in IVC and flying BS on lvl 1 seems good either...
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Thoric Frosthammer
Fallen Angels Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:09:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Nora Catweazle
Edited by: Nora Catweazle on 07/06/2007 22:45:05
Edited by: Nora Catweazle on 07/06/2007 22:42:49
Giving contra without giving a real answer... Grats to IVC for having such great forum warriors.
I never said you need a reason to attack someone, but i hate people who talk about higher intentions to hide their primal instincts. (take that as a metapher..)
nothing else to critize than that...
PS Being in in IVC and flying BS on lvl 1 seems cool too...
Also, learn to spell.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:25:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Constantin Catweazle
Seems IVC is against Stella Polar now...
But hey, there is no fighting for more Space they must be ***holes too...
Hope you doesn't have to delete the Campain in your Killboard again cause of bad K/D-ratio.
My advice: tell everyone the reason is that SP would use their space as hideout for ex-D2 allies and and give it to iron after you won.
when we ***** drones everyone complains zydrine prices freefall
when we shoot people everyone complains we are meanies and backstabbers
wtf do you lot want from us?
- Gob
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Helen
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:20:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Constantin Catweazle
Seems IVC is against Stella Polar now...
But hey, there is no fighting for more Space they must be ***holes too...
Hope you doesn't have to delete the Campain in your Killboard again cause of bad K/D-ratio.
My advice: tell everyone the reason is that SP would use their space as hideout for ex-D2 allies and and give it to iron after you won.
when we ***** drones everyone complains zydrine prices freefall
when we shoot people everyone complains we are meanies and backstabbers
wtf do you lot want from us?
- Gob
What I'm thinking is too rude to say here. <3 You Gobbins.
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Apocalytica Insomnia
DarkSide Defenders
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Posted - 2007.06.09 07:48:00 -
[64]
As OP for this thread, i request that this thread may be closed, as my question have been answered and someone eleashed his, quote, "Forums warriors", on it, in order to derail this thread.
with kind regards,
Apocalytica Insomnia
DSD - Accounting and More |
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Rauth Kivaro
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.09 10:07:00 -
[65]
Channel discontinued at channel opener's request.
Signal terminated.
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