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Apocalytica Insomnia
DarkSide Defenders
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Apocalytica Insomnia on 28/05/2007 00:16:43
Edited by: Apocalytica Insomnia on 28/05/2007 00:16:23
As far I am aware, GUARD / The Pentagramm is fighting against Invictus / Frege / RusA / Project Enthrophy and IRON since a few days.
Since days the "ships destroyed in past 24hrs" counter in 8-2JZA never felt under 55 ships. Also, the Guard / The Pentagramm KB's do not match with IVC killboard (IVC is missing a lot of losses) and it seems like, they are fighting hard.
GUARD is known as loyal pro Northern alliance. They showed up when a threat came up, are they now getting powned by their "friends"? Anyone know more?
Apocalytica Insomnia
DSD - Accounting and More |
Deadspace2
Gallente
DaRk MaTtEr INC.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:42:00 -
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seems like some pew pew is going on ive been scouting it out up there havent seen rusa/project enthropy and iron around at all so fars its been guard and pentagramm vs ivc and frege and both ivc and gaurd kb's are missing losses |
Nicodemos
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nicodemos on 28/05/2007 10:17:54
We miss losses in our board? We keep our pilots keeping it actual, but apocalyptica is right, IVC did not post a lot of losses. Look it up on your own, make your own minds:
http://kb.eve-guard.de/
http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/
match losses and kills...
Edit: Signature where missing:
Nicodemos, GUARD Alliance.
GUARD Alliance |
ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:37:00 -
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To provide a more accurate view you can also view kills/losses on the frege billboards.
http://j-op.tickyticky.net/killboard/
Also to show sovereignty changes please compare.
This Map (Pre-War)
To
This Map (Current war status)
Also, Pentagram & Four Elements have been helping guard as well if you wish to add those kill stats to any comparisons.
Make Mining Better |
IntegralHellsing
Gallente
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.28 11:09:00 -
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of course most members of Invictus are not going to post their losses.
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Krem daBrut
Minmatar
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.28 12:13:00 -
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 Originally by: ghosttr
To provide a more accurate view you can also view kills/losses on the frege billboards.
http://j-op.tickyticky.net/killboard/
Nice joke, you need to login to see anything on your kb.
somthing to hide ? ;)
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Deadspace2
Gallente
DaRk MaTtEr INC.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nicodemos
Edited by: Nicodemos on 28/05/2007 10:17:54
We miss losses in our board? We keep our pilots keeping it actual, but apocalyptica is right, IVC did not post a lot of losses. Look it up on your own, make your own minds:
http://kb.eve-guard.de/
http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/
match losses and kills...
seems guard ur missing alot of losses for this week
seems like the pew pew is fun up there might have to take a stop by but then again theres alot of guard in uemon pulling out maybe idk.
Edit: Signature where missing:
Nicodemos, GUARD Alliance.
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Tugaru
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Posted - 2007.05.28 23:29:00 -
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Looks like plenty of kills happening there atm, and yes, both sides appear to be mising killmails... perhaps if they both used the feed syndication properly along with others then an accurate picture could be formed.
From intel I have received, Guard and buddies are losing at this point, but are bringing the fight with gusto. No one I asked seems to know what the pew pew is actually over though.
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 06:26:00 -
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There is fighting.
Things are exploding.
Invictus decided they need a little more space, in a "nice region, we'll take it" kind of way. The others help them achieve that, although I don't know what the other alliances goal is. Apart from the pewpew.
That's about it.
My posts are my own and have nothing to do with corporation or alliance views.
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Tugaru
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny
"Invictus decided they need a little more space"
If what I have just been told by people in the know is correct... then you're wrong on that score. |
Marcus Taron
Minmatar
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Taron on 29/05/2007 09:45:27
and i was told from people they know your people that they are wrong!
are you aware how laughable such statements sound?
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MenionLeah GAC
Caldari
Advanced Creatures of Multiple Empires
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:14:00 -
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I just came back to eve after 7 month not playing. Just in the right time to find old friends and us in war.
I am very disappointed about that and i don¦t really understand the reasons yet.
I remember times when I fought together with FREGE (which was one of our first "friends" in Alparena for example) and also with IRON in Deklein. Think that was a good time and I really dont understand what happened now.
But it seems that everything in EVE changes so far. It is very hard to find loyal friends that wont change sides for some isk.
Even D2, which were "good friends" of GUARD do now play on the other side. Not attacking us, but others who might have helped us in that war.
It¦s really a shame to see things like that. But how does it say in a commercial ?
"It seperates the boys from the men." I can only hope that there are enough "men" left in eve, that stay to their words and think the same way, we do.
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Shadow Elk on 29/05/2007 10:35:15
From what I understand this all boils down to Guard eating up more space then they can handle. Big does not mean strong. And trying to look strong by holding alot of space(i.e looking big) will only attract bigger enemies.
Originally by: Dianabolic
We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots.
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Sheila Chandra
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Elk
Edited by: Shadow Elk on 29/05/2007 10:35:15
From what I understand this all boils down to Guard eating up more space then they can handle. Big does not mean strong. And trying to look strong by holding alot of space(i.e looking big) will only attract bigger enemies.
So to make you "understand" a bit more then just what Invictus is telling people, this war is NOT a question of how much space GUARD had. It is a question of Invictus betraying the MAD PACT as they decided with less then the half alliances that are in the PACT to kick GUARD out and start a war. More then half of the alliances didnt even know that there is a vote.
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Nathalya
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:56:00 -
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We'll fight until our last ship goes down. And well invictus started this war and at least without support they wouldn't have shot down even one of our outpost towers.
Invictus stated that they need more space to grow (sorry but if you know about history...). Anyway they gathered allies and now we have this nice and really fun war going on. Of course we can't stand against:
Invictus, Frege, Iron, Event Horizon, Volition Cult and Rule of Three, but they have challanged us, we will accept the challenge and fight until death for glory.
If they want my assets, they'll first have to shoot me down. In the end i can say that others up there should really think about their "friends" cause they'll probably get backstabbed, too.
So in the end we probably have lost our space, but not our pride and we had a lot of fun and i hope the other involved parties had, too, also invictus removed the campaign after dropping under 20% effect and stopped posting "some" of their loses.
So far thanks for the fight and i'm looking forward for the final battle :)
Best regards,
Nathalya
ps: Seems that "good" weather for the drone regions is going to come, the sky is getting blue up there...
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Drused
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny
"Invictus decided they need a little more space"
You're wrong. I'm sure your leaders can contact our leaders and all that. From what I've been told, it has been a smack free fight from both sides which is nice to think about.
Originally by: Tugaru
If what I have just been told by people in the know is correct... then you're wrong on that score.
You may be correct on the why, but you are definitely correct on the second part of your sentence.
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Agent Stone
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.05.29 13:00:00 -
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Its strange how GUARD pilots and The Pentagram pilots seem to be a little in the dark as to the reasons behind this conflict.
Its not my place to go to much into details. But GUARD brought this on themselves, and there head diplomat did very little to resolve small issues leading up to this. Instead being arogant, showing a lack of respect and trying to bully almost, local alliances they had blue standings with.
Looking back over the logs, its almost as if the GUARD head diplomat wanted a conflict?!?
Originally by: kill0rbunny
Invictus decided they need a little more space, in a "nice region, we'll take it" kind of way. The others help them achieve that, although I don't know what the other alliances goal is. Apart from the pewpew.
Um, I am pretty sure this was not Invictus's main reason. In the short time I have flown with Invictus pilots, I have learned much, and gained much respect for both Invictus's leadership and pilots.
Originally by: Nathalya
And well invictus started this war and at least without support they wouldn't have shot down even one of our outpost towers.
Invictus did not start this war. The war could have been diverted if GUARD had simply shown a little respect and talked weeks ago.
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GusHobbleton
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.29 16:46:00 -
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There is definitely a war on. I was transferring some high value items through the drone regions in my trusty Serapis, a craft of the Cheetah class, and came upon a scene of carnage on a gate. Wrecks, hundreds of them, within a 100 kilometer radius. I enabled biomass scanning for my pod's integrated HUD, and saw literally dozens of corpses sucking vacuum, a veritable minefield threatening the integrity of my cloak. I left with much haste.
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DNSBLACK
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Posted - 2007.05.29 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: DNSBLACK on 29/05/2007 18:30:42
1. Let me first say the fighting on both side has been fun and nicely done. Both sides have stayed away from the smack talk and badgering in local. My hats off to all the pilots involved in this conflict. You have been fighting with honor and integrity. As for the K/D and kill boards not being correct all i can say is in the end things will be sorted out.
2. As for the reason why it boils down to a disagreement period. The diplomats on both sides worked hard to resolve the issues at hand with in the deadline set by the leadership. The hours spent working towards a peacful settlement have been unmatch in eve in a long time. Keeping the pack together was at the for front.
3. As with any war when communication breaks down you must prepare for the worse. In a game that has pilots with ships that shoot we all know what will happen if a peacful settlement cant not be found.
4. Well GUARD on its terms decided to move away from the MAD agreement. Alot of us were sadden by this but we understood the impotance of preserving the union of friends we have out here. To the pilots in GUARD I just wanted you to know that this was over your alliance abusing the mad pack and trying to extort 8 billion isk from another alliance in the pact. You are fighting cause your leaderhsip thought it better to leverage your isk and ships for 1 small unarmed POS and a system grab that they had no right to in the first place.
5. As for Pentagram I was there the night this all got started and as a member of MAD who was choosing not to enforce the agreement all we ask was for your pilots to leave 8-2 and not to get involved. Your piltos did not leave the area and choose to be at every gate and watch the fight from the GUARD side. We again ask you to leave the area. I will state that no Pentagram pilot engaged in any fighting that night for either side. It was not until the following day that you decided to choose sides. Not sure why you selected the side that was in violation of the pact but that was your choice to make. The Pact never intended to fire appon you but when you are around a large fleet battle sometimes things are not clear cut on what to shoot. You have choosen to side with Guard and we will respect you as an enemy as much as we respected you as a friend.
6. To all those on the outside looking in this is what eve is all about. Each side believes they are in the right and have step up to fight for there position. After this is over may both sides walk away with there integrity, honor intact and a smile on your face  . See you on the battle field my old friends.
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Saubraten
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Posted - 2007.05.29 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Saubraten on 29/05/2007 19:14:03
some correction to the comment above:
1. GUARD has been removed from the MAD pact via alliance vote (only 4 alliances were attenting the meeting, 3 voted for kicking), after that the war has been declared by IVC only. FREGE, Rule of Three, Project Entropy, Iron, The Volition Cult, Rona Alliance, Endless Horizon and afaik KaTet jumped on the bandwaggon. Anyone missing??
2. First aggression against THE-P done by FREGE/IVC: http://80.146.165.83/pentagram/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=935
but lets keep the smack down and have a great time up there ;)
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DNSBLACK
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Posted - 2007.05.29 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: DNSBLACK on 29/05/2007 19:45:27
1. To all Pent members again I have to wonder about your leadership risking so much for just one vexor. Iam sure that 90% of all pilots in the drones space at one time have come under blue vs blue friendly fire and have worked it out. Mistakes happen and we all know eve is buggy at times.
2. I have first hand knowledge that your pilots prior to this vexor being blown up were assiting guard by moving equipment for them cause they knew we would not fire on them. We were told to ask your pilots to leave the area and not to come back but they choose to remain and assit Guard while they were blue to us. We ask nicly again for all P to leave the area or risk being apart of this conflict. You chose to continue to use you blue standing to assit GUARD with intel and the moving of enemy equipment. By not leaving the area and by offering aid to the enemy you selected sides in this fight. It was your actions that drew you into this not one vexor kill. I hope that your P pilots understand this.
3. As for the bandwagon I must disagree with you. That wagon has had the same passangers on it from the start and at one time P and GUARD had a seat. It was action on your parts that have brought this fight to bare against you. No one alliance can be pointed out as the reason for this fight on the PACT side. I just hope your pilots understand that it was the GUARD and P leadership who has put them in this postion. May you fight and die with honor my friends see you on the battle field.
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 20:34:00 -
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This war is over. As of 20.30 evetime today a surrender agreement with trial time is in place.
I salute both GUARD and The Pentagram. Evolution can be painful, but I trust life goes on. You stood tall.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
TJ17
Gallente
Fallen Angels Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 21:51:00 -
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good fights m8's best time i had in awhile very little smack and good fights on both sides. guard and thep i salute u for the fun we had and gl with ur future to the guy above crying about a *****train it was only IVC and frege at the start of the war the others came for the pew pew but gf either way and very little lag on my side but there wehere times lag was bad but hats off to the hamsters for keeping the node up
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.29 22:49:00 -
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Was fun. Sad it's over but congratz to the winners anyways.
My posts are my own and have nothing to do with corporation or alliance views.
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Waldi Moeter
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Waldi Moeter on 30/05/2007 08:04:21
*wrong char.*
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Icke Carter
Gallente
Marquie-X Corp
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:06:00 -
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It was a good fight and i had a lot of Fun. The only thing i can say:
"You Started it, you lost many ships, but at least we lost"
Proud Member of "The Pentagram" |
Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2007.05.30 09:50:00 -
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In every conflict, there are always several possible views. You will believe what you want to belive.
Back-stabbing or diplomatic fault ? It's not important because it's over now. If you really interested in history try to discover it by yourself, dig up logs, convo diplomats etc. Just do not repeat concepts, unproofed facts..this makes it only worse. Don't act like robot stacked in a infinite loop. So much for that.
As for the fighting, I'm back from a 6 day campaign. 4-5h sleep every day. Homedefense. My eyes are still red :) Morale was very high til final battle when technical problems - disconnects, lag, I'm sure all of you know the pain - transfered defender fleet to ashes. Ivc+friends, thank you for jumping with your capitals toward our BS fleet..I've never seen a MS ship before :) It was real fun, so big thanks to all participating pilots, scouts, snipers, support, fc's , literaly every flying object in 8-2 and area ! greetings
-Zhula
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Jarne
COMBINE Corporation
G.U.A.R.D.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:53:00 -
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In the past days of home defense I have had some of the best moment in my EVE life. Thank you for that, mad pact, although I still don't understand the reasons for you attacking GUARD. Many thanks to our last allies, too! I feel sorry that you will be kicked out now, too.
On another note: I still wonder where the "GUARD" campaign in the IVC killboard went after the first engagements. The "Defense" campaign in the GUARD kb is still there, and you can clearly see the loss of the war in the ship losses over the last three days. I hope this lost war will not overshadow the great battles won before, neither in your not in my mind.
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Agent Stone
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.05.30 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jarne
On another note: I still wonder where the "GUARD" campaign in the IVC killboard went after the first engagements.
Ah, Invictus renamed it to Operation Icecream on there Killboard.
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Nicodemos
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Posted - 2007.05.30 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: DNSBLACK
Edited by: DNSBLACK on 29/05/2007 18:30:42
4. ........ To the pilots in GUARD I just wanted you to know that this was over your alliance abusing the mad pack and trying to extort 8 billion isk from another alliance in the pact. .....
Just a short reminder:
Chatlog "Kali Lead"-channel,
[ 2007.05.20 12:36:34 ] Zheusius > Just to clarify, is Violation Cult in MAD?
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:01 ] Traderjohn > yep
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:02 ] Desron > Not that I know of. Check MOTD...
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:02 ] Alexander Crichton > afaik they are not
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:11 ] Traderjohn > ok they arnt
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:14 ] Traderjohn > lol
[ 2007.05.20 12:38:16 ] Alexander Crichton > lol
Originally by: DNSBLACK
Edited by: DNSBLACK on 29/05/2007 18:30:42
6. To all those on the outside looking in this is what eve is all about. Each side believes they are in the right and have step up to fight for there position. After this is over may both sides walk away with there integrity, honor intact and a smile on your face . See you on the battle field my old friends.
/signed and I do agree 100% on this.
Nicodemos, GUARD Alliance
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