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Alrich	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:20:00 - [31] But you get a warning when you join a gang. if you heed that warning or not is up to you. so in this case he would have been better of NOT helping the other char. this game lives and dies with the death penalty. it is what makes this game and what most of the players like the most (not when they feel it, byt knowing it is there and the increased excitement it gives) makeing HIGH sec totally safe will loose more than it will gain for ccp. if you cant stand the thought of the possibility to get ganked when helping someone then this might be the wrong game for you.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:24:00 - [32] high sec not safe point
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Um... it's in the little "Accept Gang Invite" dialog. "Other party might be at war, watch out" sort of warning. Just how In Your Face documented does it need to be? A bit more than this info dialog would be nice. Maybe some kind of document you can read so you know all game mechanics afterwards? Wardeccing a friendly corp in order to gank noobs in empire is something I would call an exploit too.

Valorem Amarr Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:27:00 - [34] Thread moved from General Discussion to Crime and Punishment. Kind regards Valorem forum rules \| CAOD Rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Alrich	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:30:00 - [35] to know all the game mecanics and the way to exploit them you only have to read one document; the forums. it would be too big, too boring and too hard to keep updated to be worth it. all you need to know is that hig sec is HIGH sec not full sec. and that if you loose something it will cost you
Intigo Amarr The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Phelan Lore So I was walking to the train station when some stranger pulls up in a van and asks if I will get in and help him with something inside. So I'm like ok, why not? :D Did the nice stranger have candy too?! --
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Kyrall Hmmm someone seemed to say something here, and I'd like know if it's true. If you join a gang with someone that ISN'T at war, and take loot from one of their wrecks, do you get flagged as a thief, either to them or their corp-mates? Anyone know? It is a bit more complicated. If you take form a gangmate can while he is in the same grid nothing happens. But if a gangmate in a different corporation, leave the system or dock (I am unsure if leaving the grid is sufficent) he is no more part of the gang so all the wrecks and cans he made change form "player property and freeli accessible to gangmates" to "player property only". If the player return on the same grid of the gang the accessibility revert to "all the gang". I think it is a secondary effect of the program checking the bonus for gangmates. As people outside the grid don't give/receive bonus, so they aren't considered for wreck condivision. To the OP: do some research in forum with Lofty, doing a Lofty or Lofty29 as keyword. You will see it is a well estabilished tactics and the reason little people like to form gangs with strangers. A pity but that is EVE.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Alrich to know all the game mecanics and the way to exploit them you only have to read one document; the forums. All of it? Or maybe the 60000 threads in general discussion would suffice? Never mind that a lot of the information there is outdated or plain wrong. Originally by: Alrich it would be too big, too boring and too hard to keep updated to be worth it. Until now I was under the impression, that the people at CCP got paid for the boring things too.
Alrich	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:52:00 - [39] I meant too boring to read... naw... dont think teh general discussion would be enough. might need to read some otherones too
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.05.28 11:00:00 - [40] Funny that you mention this... High sec. is definitely not 100% safe and it is even stated on the game manual! Thing is, in 14 months, you do not even notice towards which side the world EVE spins. 100% high sec? That is not gonna happen. It would kill the industry, more than it is killing it now. And, on another note, this is what would happen if CCP allowed people to buy ISK. Not only everything would go WAY up in the price scale (or everything would be extremely expensive to buy with real $), but imagine all the WHINES people would bring to the forum if they were ganked in 5 mins after spending hundreds of dollars in in-game equipment? Hey mate, can i have your stuff? Ah, you don't have any now. Too bad! _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Ame Sonoda Requiem of the Sinner	Posted - 2007.05.28 11:03:00 - [41] I feel this is an absolute outrage and I feel extremely sorry for you. For my sympathy and support could i please have your stuff?
Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.05.28 11:29:00 - [42] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/05/2007 11:30:29 I can't believe someone was playing for 14 months and doesn't understand how aggro works. Or why is it a bad idea to gang up with strangers while you're flying really expensive ships. Or to loot cans/wrecks which are yellow on your overview even if people say it's OK. After all, these "griefers" as you call them are really in it for the nice faction/officer/T2 loot you naively believe is safe, and given how unsure of game mechanics you are, I wouldn't be suprised if you were in low-sec and didn't know it. At any rate, it most likely wasn't a high-sec suicide gank. Nobody would suicide gank in a machariel ;P Edit: Also, putting in 300$ in a game and expecting that will give you some sort of immunity or something is, really silly to expect. If you put money in a computer game, well, you might as well drink it away or use it for lighting cigs. You've thrown it away the moment you bought virtual money with it.
Kehmor Caldari The Movement	Posted - 2007.05.28 11:38:00 - [43] leave all your items to me and i promise to hunt down those responsible. Contact me in game. The Movement is recruiting!
Stakhanov kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.28 11:44:00 - [44] Though I'm tempted to waste my time explaining in detail what's wrong with everything the OP did , the situation can be summed up by two words : Pwned Noob.
Darth Vaders	Posted - 2007.05.28 11:59:00 - [45] Edited by: Darth Vaders on 28/05/2007 12:13:11 I feel sympathy for the guy...despite the fact he paid to get the stuff her had. After all it was his choice. But apart from that i have to say there are some real bastards in low sec . I was traveling to 0.4 wtih a Condor. I was very near to the jump gate . The sector i was was the only dangerous sector of the route. and yes i had set it to be relativly safe on the map. So that the game choses the safest path. I was making a delivery as part of agent mission. Anyway fact is i was very near to my next jump so i see something red on my list but i was very close to warp gate and i would be warping in seconds so i didn;t bothered much let alone he was 180KM away. Well he killed me one shot from the 180KM!!! I mean what kind of ship nukes you from that far? Was that a Battleship? A Titan? What the hell was that ship? Anyway I was found in my pod. I guessed he would spare me. Somewhere i had seen that usually the unwritten law between players is that you don't podkill people that anyway have not tried to harm you. But no. This bastard poded-killed me. And i don't care much for the Condor. I just realised that this person was having probably great fun pod killing newbies with his poerful battleship from the 180KM. One shot i was gone. I hope he had fun... and imagine on the other side there are some people cussing at the ones that inhabiting the safe sectors that they kneel the servers create lag etc. And try to encoutrage people to move over to the outside sectors. Well this is not a viable option. I was thinking that the Condor could give some safety from the point of view that a Condor wouldn;t make a viable fun target. But no i was wrong. The other day someone was asking in rookie channel if he should pod kill a pirate to get a bounty. Nooone was replinhg cause noone knew or noone wanted to. Well i told her that if the pirate was NPC yes kill him. If is a person and can take bounty without pod kill then better not pod kill. Because that is who i am .Congratulations Mr BIG POWERFUL PIRATE .You must be very proud into your powerful battleship nuking rookies from 180KM !!
Mysdora Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.05.28 13:44:00 - [46] It warms my black heart to see these people play the game like sim city with disasters turned off, then suddenly get hit by the cold reality of EVE. It's like watching two busloads of clowns collide - sad and funny at the same time.
Talpa Iute Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.28 13:51:00 - [47] Originally by: Varia Net Hi. Congrats on making me and my second char My Joke leave EVE. Whine............. ........... More Whine........ Cry me a river you lost 2 lousy ships.. and you're quitting, i hope you have that statue built allready.. *Try to read C&P more often and you wouldnt have had that problem. _____________________________________________
General Coochie Gallente The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.05.28 13:56:00 - [48] Your loss wont be noticed in EvE at all as it has now been on forums. You only proven yourself stuipid and that this is not a game for you. The only ones that will mourn that you are leaving are the ppl that would also like to benefit on your stuipidity just as the guys in the machariels did.
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2007.05.28 14:58:00 - [49] ok kids, just to repeat it for the 1001th time: trust = bad, mkay?
Psyllus Ktenas Amarr BlackHole Entertainment	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Phelan Lore So I was walking to the train station when some stranger pulls up in a van and asks if I will get in and help him with something inside. So I'm like ok, why not?
Zhett Haukes kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:12:00 - [51] Originally by: Stakhanov Pwned Noob. Or perhaps: "You got served"
Saint Lazarus Guardian Heroes Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.28 17:12:00 - [52] ohhh BURN, you realise the guys who did this are probably wettin themselves with excitement now right? They dont feel bad about tricking you they dont feel bad about taking all your isk, and they truely dont care about making you leave in fact they're probably PROUD of it all. I know I'm proud of the few guys I made leave, I wear it as a badge baby ------------------------------
William Hamilton Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.28 18:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Darth Vaders Edited by: Darth Vaders on 28/05/2007 12:13:11 But apart from that i have to say there are some real bastards in low sec . [...] I hope he had fun... Actually, for all he knew you could have something expensive in your cargo, there isn't enough time to run a background check, so he just shoots.
Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.28 18:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Dungheap on 28/05/2007 18:56:29 sorry about your loss but... if you had used these forums to learn more about the way game mechanics work, you might have been aware of the danger. instead you only come here to complain that you (and apparently quite a few others who posted here) don't know how this trap works. it was explained in a similar 'i quit boohoo' post a few months back. it's legal, and there is no warning when you join the gang, no can flagging, no aggro between gang members. and there is also a safe way to gang up and help people in missions, if anyone would actually pause to think between keystrokes.
Metsook Mekhon Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.28 18:57:00 - [55] Originally by: Varia Net Hi. Congrats on making me and my second char My Joke leave EVE. Odds are your sitting in Stormwind crying to someone about it even now.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.28 19:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Varia Net Hi. Congrats on making me and my second char My Joke leave EVE. I'm sure CCP will be proud of you. The less highsec players, the merrier, because they're a thorn in the eye of lowsec players and contribute their monthly fee and make CCP healthier. Varia Net had only been playing like 14 months. My Joke had only been paying 3 months. But I did get some ETCs to get some nice goodies and at the same time support the further development of EVE, or are ETCs free? I pimped a Nightmare with Core X hardener stuff, so did spend 2b on loot stuff from lowsec. The people selling weren't complaining. I didn't get scammed. I didn't get concorded. I didn't get wardecced. But I and a corpmate did help a stranger on a mission in Laah, near Motsu. After less than 1 minute a pirate Machariel showed up, nosing and scrambling. I held out bravely, until a second dropped in. In short: I stood up and fought, but just didn't have any chance. No sign of Concord. Well, why don't you get rid of the 'highsec and lowsec' as it clearly not matters anymore. Ganking is happening everywhere. It killed me, and surely kills others as well, who probably don't bother to post in these (hardcore) players forums. To allow these gankers and griefers in highsec to force carebear players and their monthly contributions out of a game, is a bold move. More than likely, they lost the Mac's when concord eventually did arrive. Ganking in High Sec is a death sentence for expensive ships. If they got away, its an exploit (as they didn't lose anything) and should be petitioned.
Varia Net Caldari KO Solutions E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.05.28 20:09:00 - [57] Edited by: Varia Net on 28/05/2007 20:08:41 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Varia Net Hi. Congrats on making me and my second char My Joke leave EVE. I'm sure CCP will be proud of you. The less highsec players, the merrier, because they're a thorn in the eye of lowsec players and contribute their monthly fee and make CCP healthier. Varia Net had only been playing like 14 months. My Joke had only been paying 3 months. But I did get some ETCs to get some nice goodies and at the same time support the further development of EVE, or are ETCs free? I pimped a Nightmare with Core X hardener stuff, so did spend 2b on loot stuff from lowsec. The people selling weren't complaining. I didn't get scammed. I didn't get concorded. I didn't get wardecced. But I and a corpmate did help a stranger on a mission in Laah, near Motsu. After less than 1 minute a pirate Machariel showed up, nosing and scrambling. I held out bravely, until a second dropped in. In short: I stood up and fought, but just didn't have any chance. No sign of Concord. Well, why don't you get rid of the 'highsec and lowsec' as it clearly not matters anymore. Ganking is happening everywhere. It killed me, and surely kills others as well, who probably don't bother to post in these (hardcore) players forums. To allow these gankers and griefers in highsec to force carebear players and their monthly contributions out of a game, is a bold move. More than likely, they lost the Mac's when concord eventually did arrive. Ganking in High Sec is a death sentence for expensive ships. If they got away, its an exploit (as they didn't lose anything) and should be petitioned. I did not get attacked by my corpmate. My corpmate was leader of the gang, unless he was foolish enough to hadn over leadership to the stranger afterwards. The ones attacking me were red flashing and had pirate skull icons. Concord did not show up, in highsec. In short: I was in a mission, not showing off near some gate to draw attention, and got ganked. If these criminal piracy acts are allowed in highsec, for just the fun of destroying somone else' property, as ships can't be captured, then CCP will be missing my 2 paying accounts and the occasional ETCs. I fail to see how driving out this type of player helps the true PVPers in lowsec. And I surely understand why WOW and soon World of Starcraft, though I've never played them, is 30 times as big as EVE.
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.05.28 20:34:00 - [58] They weren't simply flashing red because they had stolen your cans? then you agressed them first? -----
Neon Razor Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.28 20:56:00 - [59] LOFTY WHERE ARE YOU
Zenobite The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Varia Net whine,moan,cry........ And I surely understand why WOW and soon World of Starcraft, though I've never played them, is 30 times as big as EVE. Yeah they allow people who don't read warnings to do stupid things without consequences. Also skulls mean they have bountys - not that they are pirates, you've already said there flashing red so you or your alliance were more than likely at war with them. But then you would have to blame yourself for being dense, so better to come and cry about how eve is unfair and mean on the forums.

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