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RaBbLe66 Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:22:00 - [1] I have 3 accounts, the majority of characters are over 3 years old, among them are dread owners and carrier pilots, EWAR/HAC and Inty characters, all high sp (30mill+) I am in a great corps with some of the best PVPers in the game, but since friday I have not felt that I want to play the game, the accusations and revelations while maybe unfounded to some extent have left a real sour taste in my mouth. I want to play this game , and I want to enjoy it as I once did, but I really dont feel anymore that I am playing a game where I have an equal chance, where my time money and energy that I spent in training, making mistakes and learning are worth anything when there is the distinct possibility that others can short circuit the hard route I have taken. How do I fix this? Just leave? after all these yaers of fun and training I dont want to turn my back on Eve, but at this moment in time I dont have confidence that all the effort I have put in means anything at all. Those you still have faith in the game convince me (without flaming anyone) why I should continue... From another place Dianabolic- How the ** is this guy reading all our **
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:23:00 - [2] If you require convincing, it's time for you to move on. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:24:00 - [3] Originally by: RaBbLe66 I have 3 accounts, the majority of characters are over 3 years old, among them are dread owners and carrier pilots, EWAR/HAC and Inty characters, all high sp (30mill+) I am in a great corps with some of the best PVPers in the game, but since friday I have not felt that I want to play the game, the accusations and revelations while maybe unfounded to some extent have left a real sour taste in my mouth. I want to play this game , and I want to enjoy it as I once did, but I really dont feel anymore that I am playing a game where I have an equal chance, where my time money and energy that I spent in training, making mistakes and learning are worth anything when there is the distinct possibility that others can short circuit the hard route I have taken. How do I fix this? Just leave? after all these yaers of fun and training I dont want to turn my back on Eve, but at this moment in time I dont have confidence that all the effort I have put in means anything at all. Those you still have faith in the game convince me (without flaming anyone) why I should continue... Give me your characters, I'll have fun for you.
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:24:00 - [4] Originally by: Winterblink If you require convincing, it's time for you to move on. Amen to that. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:24:00 - [5] Sometimes a break is needed. Take a month or two off. If you still can't recapture the magic after that then it is time to move on.... <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:25:00 - [6] Bye. Can I have your stuff?
Gloria Stitz	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:25:00 - [7] Take a long break from the game. Keep the skills going and just go do something else for a couple of months. ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------
Speed Devil Caldari Mean Machines	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Moonlight Express Bye. Can I have your stuff? i want the isks or is it a stealthnerf to highsec suicide pirates?
Gorken Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:30:00 - [9] Your not the only one concerned over recent events guy. However, I wouldn't jump ship until we get a better idea on what CCP intends on doing. It really doesn't look good judging CCP from past history, but it appears that you have alot of time and trouble invested to just leave the game without waiting to see how it all works out.
Samuel Freedom Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Samuel Freedom on 28/05/2007 21:32:08 Don't get involved with big allainces then the Meta Gaming aspect is mostly nullified, by this I mean you will still be affected by the Meta Gaming but atleast its only indirectly and you don't set yourself up for a fall like you seem to have done maybe this is what CCP really want secertly Its all about how you think about the game and your attitude, just don't care too much about EVE. I was more involved with EVE before the last scandal so im not letting this one or the other ones that are sure to emerge bother me too much
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Winterblink If you require convincing, it's time for you to move on. Not before he donates those dreads to .. uhh ... well ... ME of course. Originally by: Terazuk Originally by: ForceM DUDE ...HELL NO Thankyou, someone at least marginally sensible.
Draconyx	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:34:00 - [12] This is perhaps cold but what do you care. You are here to relax and it has nothing to do with you so ignore it. Besides right now it is only people pointing fingers anyways that only happens millions of times a day. It means nothing. And even if it is true how many companies have had people steal from them. LOTS and if it happens then actions are taken. You can't hold a company responsible for the actions of one or two people.
Crinos Childflayer	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:42:00 - [13] I still putt around the forums from time to time, but while Barge 5 is going I'm playing WoW. :) snip No it isn't -Eldo Davip([email protected]) Put a virus on a mods....I mean....Moderator Upgrades 5.3
Ronaldod Gallente The Furtive	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:42:00 - [14] Just like someone said take a break for 1 month. Look at your goals. And if the devs did not collide with your goals go further.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:58:00 - [15] i cant convince you but i will gladly take over and dominate you no matter what game you go to ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Haks'he Lirky 8th	Posted - 2007.05.28 22:15:00 - [16] Why should you continue? It's a game, if your fun factor has diminished and you feel like your not playing a game anymore you shouldnt continue. Set long skill training, try to think about something else for three weeks and then ask your self that question again, you are not playing this game for other people.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.05.28 22:29:00 - [17] people are advocating not playing the game. thats fine. however try not reading these forums first. the drama bombs that go off here regularly might affect how you perceive the game but they probably dont really affect how you would normally be playing the game.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.28 22:36:00 - [18] I personley feel that nothing in the last couple of days has changed anything, and the actions taken by some in said incidents hasent had any noticeable effect on me, my corp, or any of the alliances under which i have flown, it isent a good thing, and ccp needs to sort there internal affairs out, but it doesent phase me in the slightest. -
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.28 22:36:00 - [19] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/05/2007 22:35:51 Originally by: RaBbLe66 I have 3 accounts, the majority of characters are over 3 years old, among them are dread owners and carrier pilots, EWAR/HAC and Inty characters, all high sp (30mill+) I am in a great corps with some of the best PVPers in the game, but since friday I have not felt that I want to play the game, the accusations and revelations while maybe unfounded to some extent have left a real sour taste in my mouth. I want to play this game , and I want to enjoy it as I once did, but I really dont feel anymore that I am playing a game where I have an equal chance, where my time money and energy that I spent in training, making mistakes and learning are worth anything when there is the distinct possibility that others can short circuit the hard route I have taken. There have always been people who have short circuited your hard route. Every day, there are a farmers with two or three alts each who earn a few billion ISK each off 10/10 complexes. They took no "hard route"--each of them earn in one day what you probably earn in months. Nothing has changed with this "dramabomb"--there will always be people in EVE that, through legitimate, quasi-legitimate, or illegitimate methods make your entire existence in EVE look like a bad joke. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.05.28 22:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/05/2007 22:35:51 Originally by: RaBbLe66 I have 3 accounts, the majority of characters are over 3 years old, among them are dread owners and carrier pilots, EWAR/HAC and Inty characters, all high sp (30mill+) I am in a great corps with some of the best PVPers in the game, but since friday I have not felt that I want to play the game, the accusations and revelations while maybe unfounded to some extent have left a real sour taste in my mouth. I want to play this game , and I want to enjoy it as I once did, but I really dont feel anymore that I am playing a game where I have an equal chance, where my time money and energy that I spent in training, making mistakes and learning are worth anything when there is the distinct possibility that others can short circuit the hard route I have taken. There have always been people who have short circuited your hard route. Every day, there are a farmers with two or three alts each who earn a few billion ISK each off 10/10 complexes. They took no "hard route"--each of them earn in one day what you probably earn in months. Nothing has changed with this "dramabomb"--there will always be people in EVE that, through legitimate, quasi-legitimate, or illegitimate methods make your entire existence in EVE look like a bad joke. QFT. EVE is big enough, you can avoid those guys I can live with it.
RtoZ	Posted - 2007.05.28 22:58:00 - [21] If you have 90m sp total, then what has probably happened is you have won eve. Congratulations. Time to search for a new game.
Komen Gallente Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.05.28 23:02:00 - [22] Can I have your shuttles? I hear they don't tank very well, but I'm willing to try anything once. ___________________________________ Wielder of the Trout of Doom(tm)! ___________________________________
Jacob Castillo Caldari Copperhead Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.28 23:14:00 - [23] Originally by: RtoZ If you have 90m sp total, then what has probably happened is you have won eve. Congratulations. Time to search for a new game. You don't win Eve until you have either A) Conquered 0.0 B) Conquered Empire C) Conquered Everything T2 D) I haven't thought of a D yet tbh. To the OP: Best take a long break, and see what happens when you come back. Worked for me.
Diana deVos	Posted - 2007.05.28 23:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/05/2007 22:35:51 Originally by: RaBbLe66 I have 3 accounts, the majority of characters are over 3 years old, among them are dread owners and carrier pilots, EWAR/HAC and Inty characters, all high sp (30mill+) I am in a great corps with some of the best PVPers in the game, but since friday I have not felt that I want to play the game, the accusations and revelations while maybe unfounded to some extent have left a real sour taste in my mouth. I want to play this game , and I want to enjoy it as I once did, but I really dont feel anymore that I am playing a game where I have an equal chance, where my time money and energy that I spent in training, making mistakes and learning are worth anything when there is the distinct possibility that others can short circuit the hard route I have taken. There have always been people who have short circuited your hard route. Every day, there are a farmers with two or three alts each who earn a few billion ISK each off 10/10 complexes. They took no "hard route"--each of them earn in one day what you probably earn in months. Nothing has changed with this "dramabomb"--there will always be people in EVE that, through legitimate, quasi-legitimate, or illegitimate methods make your entire existence in EVE look like a bad joke. You know, it's funny, but since the "drama bomb" and the lame attempt of "we have the petition but it's private" (though the EULA says that there is NO PRIVACY for IN GAME communications) of covering up, I've, like the original poster, have had those Eve existential doubts. I finally came to the conclusion that, while CCP is going to do everything in their power to minimize yet another FUBAR, in the end I have to ask myself: Can I accomplish the goals I set when I decided to subscribe? Do my personal friendships, within EVE work for me? Do I still enjoy the scenery and plotting things out? In short, am I still capable of "winning" the game in the way that is meaningful for me? I don't see why not. This cheating/non-cheating/clumsy cover-up doesn't effect my goals. And, in the broad-scope of things, it's pretty minor when I consider the blatant cheating that goes on in this game on a daily basis. For example, there are ISK-Farming factories all over EVE and nearly every ice belt is swarmed with ISK-Farmers. And the macro-miners that come through ore belts like hoards of locust, that mine even the "death star" sized moons of Veldspar out of existence. And the macro ISK farmers in the complexes and in the bets ratting. And never mind the various alliances that have ISK-farmed broken complexs... So while I 100% don't buy off on CCP's "trust us, there was nothing going on here" excuse (because the EULA explicitly states there is no privacy for in-game communications) and I do feel sorry for the Goonies if they were exploited by another cheating-for-BoB person. I still find that I can accomplish my goals so I'll stay until I do. However, I will say that once I've accomplished these goals, I'm not going to hang on for friendships, expanded goals or broader horizons. And I'm not going to ever recommend this game to another friend. There's too much taint on this game to for those actions and I see no need to go further than my goals I set when I joined last December. And no, when I leave, I'm not going to give you my stuff. I already have a friend to give it to.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.28 23:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Diana deVos You know, it's funny, but since the "drama bomb" and the lame attempt of "we have the petition but it's private" (though the EULA says that there is NO PRIVACY for IN GAME communications) of covering up, I've, like the original poster, have had those Eve existential doubts. The petitions fall under a separate rule. They're not in-game communications; they go through the support system. Additionally, the "no privacy" means that CCP can look at it, not that they can publish it for all to see, AFAIK. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.28 23:28:00 - [26] way i see it devs get into alliances to keep things balanced, create dramas , play the game that sort of thing i mean if bob is winning expect a lot of dev characters to ehlp their enemies, the same way the other way if the coalation starts to beat bob wait for nodes to favour bob Devs in game = keep dramas happening = player numbers stayup Alternatively - we end up like china one 0.0 group controlling 0.0 and the game dies
Reader Rabbit Caldari Trilobite Holdings LTD.	Posted - 2007.05.28 23:32:00 - [27] Can I have your stuff? Since all the Signatures I try and make in Photoshop are too good for the Forums, I now have this New and Improved Text Based Sig. Combat Conformity Today!
BlacksouI	Posted - 2007.05.29 00:20:00 - [28] Edited by: BlacksouI on 29/05/2007 00:20:12 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/05/2007 23:35:10 Originally by: Diana deVos You know, it's funny, but since the "drama bomb" and the lame attempt of "we have the petition but it's private" (though the EULA says that there is NO PRIVACY for IN GAME communications) of covering up, I've, like the original poster, have had those Eve existential doubts. The petitions fall under a separate rule IIRC. They're not in-game communications; they go through the support system. Additionally, the "no privacy" means that CCP can look at it, not that they can publish it for all to see, AFAIK. that is correct, but the CEO has the right to know privately what petition is about of his POS. The priavcy only holds true between CCP and any individual not if that individual making petition on behave of the corp - we all know well that any corp's member can not make any changes to the POS if he/she does not has a role/represent for it. The allegation currently looks like this 1. someone make a petition on hehave of an entity (this corp) 2. this entity turns around and accuse CCP of wrong doing when CCP responded to the request for help. 3. CCP said we cant reveal who make the petition about the POS to the CEO to prove that they act properly b/c of privacy violation. However, CCP asked that we just trust their words for it. If you take this case to any court in the world (except CC = communist court ) who would fault CCP for proving themselve? The only two possibilities i see is that 1. someone honestly make a petition individually that happen related to POS's functionality like you use your BPO on corp's lab, and it is stuck etc... 2. the other possibility is that CCP using privacy violation to hide the facts of GM wrong doings. Shardbait did behave professionally like this In my opinion recent Kieron's statement is ONLY 90% fact until he can confirm that -the alleged GM does not have access right to delete any entry from DB As for the MSN chat allegation, i dont give a hood - it is based on he says/she say until someone at least give a screen shot/chat log of when that incident happen. Then i will change my mind, but right now if you guys enrage for just an wild allegation, you wont enjoy the game.

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