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Ling Xiao
Prism Project Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.30 10:06:00 -
[121]
Who me? Yeah I'm still here I guess 
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Chuck Dawg
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 10:23:00 -
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Everyone keeps trying to use the whole BoB Pet alliance excuse as to a way for them to control 0.0 but I doubt that'd happen. If they did eventually control most of 0.0 it would get extremely boring for all pro Bob forces and the majority of their pets would decent and fight against bob just to have some fun again.
Thats my quick 2cents..
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Yuki Valentine
Pelennor Swarm
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.30 10:44:00 -
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It's a vicious circle. This war was over from the start. It's the admitting of failure that's taking too much time. The past is a prophecy for the future. Heed its words. Absolution leads only to damnation. Till then, let's shaddup and pew.
Accidentally yours,
Yuki Valentine
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Indomitus Rex
Amarr
H.Y.D.R.A.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Indomitus Rex on 30/05/2007 10:51:15
 Originally by: Yuki Valentine
It's a vicious circle. This war was over from the start.
Don't you know you're just a pet and that only Molle gets to say epic quotes like "You're all dead yet, you just don't know it."?
Quit cutting in on his territory before he ups your rent even more or contacts a dev friend through MSN to give you the boot.
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Yuki Valentine
Pelennor Swarm
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:04:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Indomitus Rex
Edited by: Indomitus Rex on 30/05/2007 10:51:15
Originally by: Yuki Valentine
It's a vicious circle. This war was over from the start.
Don't you know you're just a pet and that only Molle gets to say epic quotes like "You're all dead yet, you just don't know it."?
Quit cutting in on his territory before he ups your rent even more or contacts a dev friend through MSN to give you the boot.
Every action creates a reaction. I was merely stating the fact as I perceive it. Intrepret them as you perceive it. It's your freedom, if such is allowed. I can type up a three-pages long discussion about why I, personally, think the war was over from the start, but it's rather a moot point as this stage of the war. Let's go down in history as fierce warriors, who fought and died for what they believe in, whichever that might be, and not as bitter losers, who can't simply accept the inevitable failure that they've helped created.
In short, pew.
Accidentally yours,
Yuki Valentine
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Wow... that's really giving us too much credit TBH. We rarely plan stuff more than a week in advance because war has a way of slapping you in the face when you lest expect it. For example, most weeks in MC lately have gone something like this:
Mynas comes up with a plan to take a region in a week. We tell him he is nuts.
Waagaa and I tease Loxy about being Caldari while mom-bombing 40+ BS fleets.
Jin logs in late and misses the fight, but that's okay because Wyverns suck.
Max, Dri and Dol's eyes bleed from shooting starbases until 4 am.
Mynas screams at people about logistics and how we are all slackers.
Blues shoot us. We shoot back. Standings get fixed.
Nubiam and Nighthawk ***** about having to always FC then gloat about, "Did you see the kill board, Sel??"
Shadowjet solo ganks 3 BS in his inteceptor while War Bear gets webbed and dies. A lot.
Neurotic Cat & Squagel build more motherships; much enemy whinage ensues.
Crovan sings on TS; everyone gets +10 to hit.
Region is conquered. Mynas asks why we aren't attacking the next region yet then *****es about logistics some more.
Exekias creates a cool banner, forcing me to make an EVE-O post.
Our kill board gets spammed to hell and crashes.
We all mine.
The End.
EDIT - Vily (The Man) feels left out. 
Classic  Sounds like my corp but we got less pvp.
That's the reason I play this game, I don't care who controls what and how: just here to have fun.
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Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:57:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Yuki Valentine
Let's go down in history as fierce warriors, who fought and died for what they believe in
Now I quite like RISE, they are a nice bunch for the most part, with almost no smack and no sploity behaviour but lets be honest, what will RISE go down as in eve history?
Now I know they wont spin it this way as they still need you guys but everyone knows this is bob's war and bob's victory.
They are the ones that (to the extent anyone will) will get "remembered". Like in everyone fave battle in Thermopylae, no-one remembers the thousands of allies that were also there as the arrow fodder, they just remember the 300 Spartans directing the whole thing (though someonehow I dont see anyone making a major motion picture about this  ).
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:09:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Earthan
Edited by: Earthan on 30/05/2007 11:55:57 I think its wrong cause BOB in PA times ( lol come to think of it actually i was fighting yet in BOB then) didnt install their pets after dismantling the enemy.They learned the smart trick later.
Good point, but until changes to sovereignty, corps can wait it out in NPC stations, attack from empire, etc etc. Unless BoB is going to come out and wield the mallet to save its 'pets' everytime they they face serious opposition, there's a few I would be very suspicious of in their ability to hold their space.
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Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:17:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Locus Bey
Originally by: Earthan
Edited by: Earthan on 30/05/2007 11:55:57 I think its wrong cause BOB in PA times ( lol come to think of it actually i was fighting yet in BOB then) didnt install their pets after dismantling the enemy.They learned the smart trick later.
Good point, but until changes to sovereignty, corps can wait it out in NPC stations, attack from empire, etc etc. Unless BoB is going to come out and wield the mallet to save its 'pets' everytime they they face serious opposition, there's a few I would be very suspicious of in their ability to hold their space.
It doesnt matter.
No-one is going to put up loads of large POS, move all their stuff to a deep 0.0 station and in particular no-one is going to put up cap shipyards when they know that any time they want to bob/mc can drop the hammer on them and wipe out the POS etc.
You will get lots of attacks on the pets but they will be the harrassment style attacks of an outbreak type and all the pets need to do there is refuse to undock for a week while the attackers get bored and go elsewhere, not a threat to sov type attack.
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lance goodtrusts
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:20:00 -
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Indiano Arko
Originally by: Smith
With BOB conquering all it will be game over and the server will reset itself.
I heard there may be a bonus level.
With Cows.
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Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:53:00 -
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Again, IF (big IF), we end up asserting full control over 0.0, there's still empire. There's also the huge possibility that the game will change as well.
For example, if BOB controlled 0.0 to such an undeniable degree that even EVE itself as an entity acknowledged it, then it might not be a far stretch to think that the factions would feel threatened. The Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr (especially after we attacked Kor-Azor during the coronation ceremonies) or even Jove might recognize BOB as an entity and treat its members differently.
Just throwing wild ideas here, but Jove stations or systems could pop up all over the place (oh, maybe use the reasoning that they were previously inaccessible and undetectable because of Jove technology) that BOB would be denied access to because the Jove considered it as a rival faction.
I have no idea what or where CCP will take this without even thinking about how walking in stations or the other goofy things CCP thinks up would impact EVE.
What I do know is this: anyone who begins something with a defeated mentality will have a much lower chance of success. I've tried to head off a repeat of what we've seen from past opponents by posting something like this. Maybe I'm wrong, some think I'm right.
I think EVE is such a big place that even those of us who only look at 0.0 as a big game of Risk fail to see the complex events that occur daily in other aspects of EVE.
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Montero
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:56:00 -
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Actualy my bets are that you'd have a huge lack of targets, get bored and fall apart due to internal squabling. Tends to be what happens to large military powers in Eve when they stagnate (which you;d have no choice over if you controlled everything).
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion
Again, IF (big IF), we end up asserting full control over 0.0, there's still empire. There's also the huge possibility that the game will change as well.
For example, if BOB controlled 0.0 to such an undeniable degree that even EVE itself as an entity acknowledged it, then it might not be a far stretch to think that the factions would feel threatened. The Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr (especially after we attacked Kor-Azor during the coronation ceremonies) or even Jove might recognize BOB as an entity and treat its members differently.
Just throwing wild ideas here, but Jove stations or systems could pop up all over the place (oh, maybe use the reasoning that they were previously inaccessible and undetectable because of Jove technology) that BOB would be denied access to because the Jove considered it as a rival faction.
I have no idea what or where CCP will take this without even thinking about how walking in stations or the other goofy things CCP thinks up would impact EVE.
What I do know is this: anyone who begins something with a defeated mentality will have a much lower chance of success. I've tried to head off a repeat of what we've seen from past opponents by posting something like this. Maybe I'm wrong, some think I'm right.
I think EVE is such a big place that even those of us who only look at 0.0 as a big game of Risk fail to see the complex events that occur daily in other aspects of EVE.
What we will see happen is that noone will fight you anymore.
You can install all your little pets all over, and anyone you get angry with will see local fill up with half a dozen titans, motherships, and a dreadblob. They will just logout, sit in station or move to Empire or NPC 0.0 space and you can sit there all day long shooting POSes. Come on, you see how entity after entity is dropping out from fighting you. You seriously expect a new alliance to stand up to fight you and your 5000 fawning fanboys?
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darth solo
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:32:00 -
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i just cant believe that all the good fighters that have been involved against BOB have had such a hard time.
In fleet fights BOB arnt that hard to destroy, i sometimes look at the BOB KB and see 20-30bs lost while killing NO BOB . whats that all about?.. any equal fight i was in against BOB we killed as many as we lost, many times more.
u just pick the fights, excel in a cerain area, IE close/long/medium and practice at it, then try ur best to fight using these tactics. call properly and make sure everyone shhots primaries. BOB will flame me, as if they need an excuse , but one thing they cant say was that celes apoc didnt give them good fights.
look at outbreak/celes taking on 2 BOB corps and doing very well, i know celes apoc werent at our strongest but we were still there. can u imagine 5-6 good pvp corps?... BOb would be in serious trouble. obviously the capital thing would be an issue,. but in hit and run fights it would be a diff story.
as for the xelas situation, OMG... D2 couldnt even take them on, celes apoc as one corp farmed them and controlled the core of fountain easilly. even XS have to admit that our boys gave them a good kickin. maybe we trained them for when D2 arrived, who knows.
BObs dedication to the game has to be respected though, im glad its not me though.
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darth solo
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion
Again, IF (big IF), we end up asserting full control over 0.0, there's still empire. There's also the huge possibility that the game will change as well.
For example, if BOB controlled 0.0 to such an undeniable degree that even EVE itself as an entity acknowledged it, then it might not be a far stretch to think that the factions would feel threatened. The Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr (especially after we attacked Kor-Azor during the coronation ceremonies) or even Jove might recognize BOB as an entity and treat its members differently..
thats a possibility, but it has to be alot better organised, and the trsut thing we have now in eve that everyone thinks BOb control the events wont be hard to shake off...
we have been involved in a few events against BOB with the serpentis. we suicided our boys into the fights because we were looking for the rewards, rewards?, try a dom and 4-5 thorax.. well that will go along way to paying for our 10 lost bs, not ....
everyone just needs to stop sucking at eve, then maybe BOB will be under threat. untill then we have a situation where all the power gamers and all the high skill point boys are in the same team. that can only lead to an imbalance thats not good for all of eve.
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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Greme on 30/05/2007 13:42:25
Edited by: Greme on 30/05/2007 13:41:46
Monsieur Solo is right, it's all about picking targets and planning ahead. I enjoyed the skirmishes we had with Insurgency very much, and respect their ability to tactically evaluate fights and maximise their effect.
But for the alliance, the lack of tactical planning was at a level higher than simply a per fight manner. The sheer numbers and relative skill of the coalitions of the north and south should have been enough to take down even the most battle-hardened bob, but they did not use this to their full advantage. One thing I see as a major tactical flaw was the lack of simultaneous attacks on opposing sides of bob territory. With systematic pos takedowns at two front, the BoB army would have been severely stretched, but instead attacks seemed to occur in an almost alternating fashion, one in the north, one in the south. This simply meant that BoB could jump their cap fleet back over to the now starting battle after finishing off the previous one.
Simulataneous attacks on two fronts may have resulted in things happening alot more differently.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:45:00 -
[138]
Originally by: darth solo
i just cant believe that all the good fighters that have been involved against BOB have had such a hard time.
Darth , putting everything aside i am gonna ask u a fair question , no flaming or trolling and just give an honest answer.
Do you realy think that the coalition was a pack of good fighters ? I mean seriously.
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HUGO DRAX
DRAX INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:55:00 -
[139]
Wow been out of the game for about a year (overseas deployment situation) and I come back and still see the same BoB threads.
Funny.
Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
Stormers Girlfriend
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:57:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: darth solo
i just cant believe that all the good fighters that have been involved against BOB have had such a hard time.
Darth , putting everything aside i am gonna ask u a fair question , no flaming or trolling and just give an honest answer.
Do you realy think that the coalition was a pack of good fighters ? I mean seriously.
You remove smack with your first words and add it with the second.
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:58:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Stormers Girlfriend
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: darth solo
i just cant believe that all the good fighters that have been involved against BOB have had such a hard time.
Darth , putting everything aside i am gonna ask u a fair question , no flaming or trolling and just give an honest answer.
Do you realy think that the coalition was a pack of good fighters ? I mean seriously.
You remove smack with your first words and add it with the second.
STUPID FORUMS!!! Was me.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:02:00 -
[142]
Originally by: HUGO DRAX
Wow been out of the game for about a year (overseas deployment situation) and I come back and still see the same BoB threads.
Funny.
You missed the ~6 months without BoB posts, it was funny
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:04:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: darth solo
i just cant believe that all the good fighters that have been involved against BOB have had such a hard time.
Darth , putting everything aside i am gonna ask u a fair question , no flaming or trolling and just give an honest answer.
Do you realy think that the coalition was a pack of good fighters ? I mean seriously.
Well IMO the Coalition certainly had enough good fighters to wipe you from the face of Eve. The real issue here would be leadership, and not individual fighters.
The greatest weakness of the Coalition quite obviously was coherence and strategy much more than individual fighting prowess. From the fallout between Roadkill/Smash and RA to the issues between D2 and Triumvirate, its the Coalition leadership that bears the guilt of the failure, and noone else.
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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:07:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Well IMO the Coalition certainly had enough good fighters to wipe you from the face of Eve. The real issue here would be leadership, and not individual fighters.
The greatest weakness of the Coalition quite obviously was coherence and strategy much more than individual fighting prowess. From the fallout between Roadkill/Smash and RA to the issues between D2 and Triumvirate, its the Coalition leadership that bears the guilt of the failure, and noone else.
This is what I mean, I do not doubt the ability of the fleet commanders on the Bob eradication force's side, or the fact that they had the ability to possibly beat BoB in fleet battles etc (or atleast reach a 'draw'). It's the higher up tactical decisions and leadership that seemed to be the main point of weakness.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:10:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Major Stormer
Originally by: Stormers Girlfriend
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: darth solo
i just cant believe that all the good fighters that have been involved against BOB have had such a hard time.
Darth , putting everything aside i am gonna ask u a fair question , no flaming or trolling and just give an honest answer.
Do you realy think that the coalition was a pack of good fighters ? I mean seriously.
You remove smack with your first words and add it with the second.
STUPID FORUMS!!! Was me.
I was asking darth and ur name aint darth so keep your trolling to urself and ur alt unless you got nothing better to do than trolling in every bob related post.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:15:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Greme
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Well IMO the Coalition certainly had enough good fighters to wipe you from the face of Eve. The real issue here would be leadership, and not individual fighters.
The greatest weakness of the Coalition quite obviously was coherence and strategy much more than individual fighting prowess. From the fallout between Roadkill/Smash and RA to the issues between D2 and Triumvirate, its the Coalition leadership that bears the guilt of the failure, and noone else.
This is what I mean, I do not doubt the ability of the fleet commanders on the Bob eradication force's side, or the fact that they had the ability to possibly beat BoB in fleet battles etc (or atleast reach a 'draw'). It's the higher up tactical decisions and leadership that seemed to be the main point of weakness.
The main problem, I think, was an inability to work together with all the other alliances in terms of strategy.
The best the Coalition could do is lag out F-TE.
Imagine if, for example, the Coalition used their massive capital ship fleets to hit 5 BoB systems at once while BoB was all bottled up in F-TE?
Delve could have been brought down in a week if they brought everything they had and split up rather than trying to put 2000 people in one system.
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TrulyKosh
Solo for UNCLE
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:32:00 -
[147]
They form the "Band of Blothels" and invade the Chinese servers?
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.05.30 15:00:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/05/2007 15:02:55
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The main problem, I think, was an inability to work together with all the other alliances in terms of strategy.
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Imagine if, for example, the Coalition used their massive capital ship fleets to hit 5 BoB systems at once while BoB was all bottled up in F-TE?
Delve could have been brought down in a week if they brought everything they had and split up rather than trying to put 2000 people in one system.
QFT on all accounts. (Edited out an unneccessary comment you made )
BUT - the beauty of the coalition is (or was?) that it consists of a group of independant entities. Naturally the kind of coordination usefull in wars like this was much harder to achieve as on the BoB side.
Most vets on the Coalition side knew this from the very beginning of the war.
Actually I was pleased to see how well the Coalition held together.
The real challenge for any vet is fighting on the Coalition side. This was true at the beginning of the war, and will stay this way till the war has ended.
I can only invite daring alliances, corps and players looking for a real challenge to join the Coalition effort. (Not as spies, please )
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Earthan
Gallente
The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters
Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.05.30 15:36:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Victor Vision
Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/05/2007 15:02:55
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The main problem, I think, was an inability to work together with all the other alliances in terms of strategy.
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Imagine if, for example, the Coalition used their massive capital ship fleets to hit 5 BoB systems at once while BoB was all bottled up in F-TE?
Delve could have been brought down in a week if they brought everything they had and split up rather than trying to put 2000 people in one system.
QFT on all accounts. (Edited out an unneccessary comment you made )
BUT - the beauty of the coalition is (or was?) that it consists of a group of independant entities. Naturally the kind of coordination usefull in wars like this was much harder to achieve as on the BoB side.
Most vets on the Coalition side knew this from the very beginning of the war.
Actually I was pleased to see how well the Coalition held together.
The real challenge for any vet is fighting on the Coalition side. This was true at the beginning of the war, and will stay this way till the war has ended.
I can only invite daring alliances, corps and players looking for a real challenge to join the Coalition effort. (Not as spies, please )
Yuo know guys while imho its all true, it has been said like 1000 times over.
Bob cant be in same place at same time lets attack at same time from 2 fronts etc...
The problem is none of bigger alliances leaders really wants to do anythign until its him thats under siege.Until thne he says his allince is strong , you will see etc.
And secretly thinks the other that falls under bob are weak noobies but he is uber.
I remmber i have tried to orgnise something in norad to strike bob from 3 fronts like 1-1,5 years ago. Nobody was really interested , ofc maybe also i wasnt the best person to do it as i was no ceo of big corp and Norad was held in overall contempt ( imho its the most false image of all but thats another topic nvm.)
Then when ASCN was under siege i was kinda expecting and advising D2 to attack bob while they are busy...
I kinda remmber D2 saying we are strong and kinda dont need ASCN wich we dont like anyway.
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Thing is to lead a big coalition/alliance you must have tons of rl free time apart from other things, tons of experience, be reasonable , have charisma, be in a strong corp.The combinatio is not so easyily found.
And BOB have these leaders and its structure is all very centralized/dictatorship wich makes it more easy.
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Slayton Ford
Vindicate and Deliverance
ASGARDIAN EMPIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.30 15:46:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The main problem, I think, was an inability to work together with all the other alliances in terms of strategy.
The best the Coalition could do is lag out F-TE.
Imagine if, for example, the Coalition used their massive capital ship fleets to hit 5 BoB systems at once while BoB was all bottled up in F-TE?
Delve could have been brought down in a week if they brought everything they had and split up rather than trying to put 2000 people in one system.
You forget though that even if BoB was bottled in F-T that they still had there servants such as MC/FIX/Xelas and even Axe to help defend against any multi pronged attack.
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