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Ivan Hablovi Minmatar Financial Removal	Posted - 2007.05.30 01:58:00 - [1] About the Accusations and Accusers Since last Friday, an unnamed corporation (Wonder which this corporation might be) posted over 4000 times on EVE's message boards concerning these allegations. In addition, 1046 posts were made on Digg.com; 235 comments were added on Slashdot; and made multiple EVE-related edits on Wikipedia. Each of these sites was hit within a few hours of each other, at the start of the three-day Memorial Day weekend in the US and a three-day weekend in Iceland, all referencing unfounded allegations ù now proven to be false ù that occurred three weeks ago or longer. The volume and timing of these near-simultaneous references is no coincidence: we were the target of a carefully constructed and well-timed social engineering effort by one of the largest player groups in our community. The intention? To undermine EVE Online and the credibility of CCP Games. More specifically, the objective of this scheme was to permanently paint CCP as a biased and corrupt company that favors a select group of players over the rest of our community. In this particular case, instead of receiving notification of a possible problem and sufficient time to examine and address it, we faced a coordinated and hostile attack executed on our forums, Digg, Wikipedia, Slashdot, and other outlets at the beginning of a three-day weekend. We believe this speaks volumes of the intention of the person(s) responsible for orchestrating this scheme. Verification of this can be readily found on the forums of the people responsibleùor at least could, the last time we looked. Claims that the goal of this effort was to expose corruption within the company cannot be taken seriously. They are simply a smokescreen intended to mobilize and use the EVE community against CCP. There is no evidence to support the claim of information sent to CCP concerning internal corruption and wrongdoings on the part of our employees is being systematically suppressed. The fact that this attack took place over a holiday weekend was especially revealing of motive, which we believe was specifically by design to ensure that CCP would not be able to react as fast and efficiently as we would under normal circumstances. The allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack. ----- All of this can be read from Dev Blog, wanted to place it here since I thought that this Forum has had the most effect on the whole ordeal, and it was aimed towards the Alliances and Corporations which do try to populate EVE as it is.
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:02:00 - [2] LoL, bring it on! Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
THE RIZA GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:04:00 - [3] Edited by: THE RIZA on 30/05/2007 02:08:31 Edited by: THE RIZA on 30/05/2007 02:06:40 Edited by: THE RIZA on 30/05/2007 02:03:57 Goons are a malicious hive mind out to deprive you of your GAMING EXPERIENCE. A bunch of nerds posting on an internet forum together is cause for alarm. Destroy all goons. edit: Did CCP really just threaten us with an internet lawsuit? Hahahahahahaha servers and community are under attack hahahahahaha Carry on in your holy quest to sue those godless goons for attacking the internet spaceship community, CCP. Your efforts toward the betterment of mankind will never be forgotten. "There will be no cover up" - CCP Arkanon
Sir Lolle Amarr Band of Brolols	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:07:00 - [4] Goons are a cancer on eve they should just go back to Halo tbqh Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:09:00 - [5] Hope they ban them all. EVE is better off without goons. Great news.
THE RIZA GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:17:00 - [6] Edited by: THE RIZA on 30/05/2007 02:16:10 Oh wait they said unnamed corp that could be anybody who could it be I'M ON THE EDGE OF MY SEAT HERE GUYS "There will be no cover up" - CCP Arkanon
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:19:00 - [7] CCP seems to be very angry. HULKSMASH TIME! --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
papaPadla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Moonlight Express Hope they ban them all. EVE is better off without goons. Great news. neah... spanking will do... i do believe eve would be a less interesting place without the goons. well u have to be missing half the brain to buy into each and every bull**** u see on this forum... so -------------------------------------
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Moonlight Express Hope they ban them all. EVE is better off without goons. Great news. Shooting through the POS bubble, spawning T2 BPOs, having a lead developer commanding your capital ship fleet, a direct line to CCP developers and GMs with the ability to get someone they don't like fired at the snap of their fingers, and untold exploits without any reprimand are what people are going to remember BoB for. As for GoonFleet? All people have against us is the "pack" and our use of T1 frigates to give newbies in EVE a fighting chance at actually doing something. ("t1 frig noobs should stay in empire where they belong IMHO") We challenge the status quo of the game and people hate us with the most bitter vitriol I've ever seen. Love it.
Apollyon X Dark Knights of Deneb	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:26:00 - [10] Mess with the goons, you get the horns.
Sir Lolle Amarr Band of Brolols	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Moonlight Express Hope they ban them all. EVE is better off without goons. Great news. Shooting through the POS bubble, spawning T2 BPOs, having a lead developer commanding your capital ship fleet, a direct line to CCP developers and GMs with the ability to get someone they don't like fired at the snap of their fingers, and untold exploits without any reprimand are what people are going to remember BoB for. As for GoonFleet? All people have against us is the "pack" and our use of T1 frigates to give newbies in EVE a fighting chance at actually doing something. ("t1 frig noobs should stay in empire where they belong IMHO") We challenge the status quo of the game and people hate us with the most bitter vitriol I've ever seen. Love it. You must have forgotten all the times Goons said mean things to other players. They said alot of mean things. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:32:00 - [12] HAHAHAH PWNT YOU STUPID ASSHAT PIECE OF CRAP GOONS. /me goes to send out his "I told you so" notes
One Percent Caldari Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:32:00 - [13] I doubt CCP needs to take any action against Goonswarm, their own internal problems will eventually lead to their downfall in EVE. They'll then move onto some other game, buy more internet money, and fail there too. I feel sorry for the truly good people in that community. -
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:33:00 - [14] Arkanon has a hueg ***. Originally by:** "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:34:00 - [15] Originally by: One Percent I doubt CCP needs to take any action against Goonswarm, their own internal problems will eventually lead to their downfall in EVE. They'll then move onto some other game, buy more internet money, and fail there too. I feel sorry for the truly good people in that community. Goon alt? It was proven the "unnammed corporation" was wrong on all counts. It's the external factors "certain player groups" that's the problem. ____________ DubanFP > where ever there is a player that's getting too rich, wherever there's an industrial with too much loot, wherever there is a noob with too much smack we'll be there...
Sir Lolle Amarr Band of Brolols	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:34:00 - [16] Originally by: Wylker HAHAHAH PWNT YOU STUPID ASSHAT PIECE OF CRAP GOONS. /me goes to send out his "I told you so" notes dis Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:35:00 - [17] the lockstick cometh
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:40:00 - [18] wow people choose to forget about massive wrongdoings so quickly its shocking... go on everyone lap up what your fed and refuse to think for yourself, its easier that way Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:40:00 - [19] Pretty much sums up the main reason why I'm not at all phased by these resent events, if it hadn't been so blatantly obvious that this whole thing was designed to be the biggest dramabomb possible it might have actually bothered me more. -
One Percent Caldari Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:40:00 - [20] Originally by: DubanFP Originally by: One Percent I doubt CCP needs to take any action against Goonswarm, their own internal problems will eventually lead to their downfall in EVE. They'll then move onto some other game, buy more internet money, and fail there too. I feel sorry for the truly good people in that community. Goon alt? It was proven the "unnammed corporation" was wrong on all counts. It's the external factors "certain player groups" that's the problem. Try looking at my employment history maybe? You couldn't be more wrong about the "Goon Alt". Also, I feel that the player group and the corporation are essentially one in the same since they represent each other, so I use them interchangeably.
Johnnie Nano Open Season	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Alski Pretty much sums up the main reason why I'm not at all phased by these resent events, if it hadn't been so blatantly obvious that this whole thing was designed to be the biggest dramabomb possible it might have actually bothered me more. Quoted for truth.
THE RIZA GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:45:00 - [22] Originally by: VinceNoir Arkanon has a hueg *****. Seconding dis. "There will be no cover up" - CCP Arkanon
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:46:00 - [23] IBTL, there is a thread for this already
Adm Tecumseh Caldari The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:00:00 - [24] I actually miss the goons of a year ago. It was tremendous fun trying to do freighter ops out of empire with a pack or ravenous goons snapping on your heels. They were then in the game to have fun and in doing created fun for those around them. But then Remedial followed by Mittani thought that they could and should have some control over the Eve enviroment. They thought they were much more then they are. Remedial begging for money "cause mommy threw me out" from goons to help pay his rent and raising 2500 usd in a day from these goons followed by "I wanna ruin eve cause no one likes me" Mittani have completely ruined what the goonswarm grew out of and what they once stood for. Those 2 children are the cancer that will prove to have killed the swarm. Once a senior goon FC overthrows the shackles of these 2 bad apples then the goons may return to having fun. Some people are not cut out to owning allainces, The Goons by their very nature are one of these groups. They should stick to what they do best. Having fun and enjoying a great game. My favorite memory of the goons was getting loaded going out in cruisers and appointing the most noobish noob in the fleet to command. there was about 40 of us, we were all masacured but it was one of the funniest nights I have spent online. I never laughed so hard in my life. That's what makes the goons great. Their extreme ability to completely lose and still have fun. I sincerely hope that the goons return to their roots. But there is no place in Eve for some of their leadership. BTW has anyone seen the titan fund? I bet it doesn't even exist anymore. HAHAHAHAHA And when was the last time you saw Mittani in a fleet? HAHAHAHAHA
Machine Delta	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Adm Tecumseh I actually miss the goons of a year ago. It was tremendous fun trying to do freighter ops out of empire with a pack or ravenous goons snapping on your heels. They were then in the game to have fun and in doing created fun for those around them. But then Remedial followed by Mittani thought that they could and should have some control over the Eve enviroment. They thought they were much more then they are. Remedial begging for money "cause mommy threw me out" from goons to help pay his rent and raising 2500 usd in a day from these goons followed by "I wanna ruin eve cause no one likes me" Mittani have completely ruined what the goonswarm grew out of and what they once stood for. Those 2 children are the cancer that will prove to have killed the swarm. Once a senior goon FC overthrows the shackles of these 2 bad apples then the goons may return to having fun. Some people are not cut out to owning allainces, The Goons by their very nature are one of these groups. They should stick to what they do best. Having fun and enjoying a great game. My favorite memory of the goons was getting loaded going out in cruisers and appointing the most noobish noob in the fleet to command. there was about 40 of us, we were all masacured but it was one of the funniest nights I have spent online. I never laughed so hard in my life. That's what makes the goons great. Their extreme ability to completely lose and still have fun. I sincerely hope that the goons return to their roots. But there is no place in Eve for some of their leadership. BTW has anyone seen the titan fund? I bet it doesn't even exist anymore. HAHAHAHAHA And when was the last time you saw Mittani in a fleet? HAHAHAHAHA This is a nice statement of prepared talking points.
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:04:00 - [26] Quite simply, public perception right now is that CCP is biased towards one specific group of players. Work on changing the perception, and I doubt things like this would happen in the first place. I don't see huge accusations of inequality on any other MMORPG, just this one.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:06:00 - [27] Was a very good blog. Funny how everyone always says BoB will be the end of the game, we dont want to see EvE over nor its community trashed. Goons are the pest who will destroy the game if allowed to carry on like this and it wont be because they won all of eve. GG Arkonon for a good read.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Moonlight Express Hope they ban them all. EVE is better off without goons. Great news. Shooting through the POS bubble, spawning T2 BPOs, having a lead developer commanding your capital ship fleet, a direct line to CCP developers and GMs with the ability to get someone they don't like fired at the snap of their fingers, and untold exploits without any reprimand are what people are going to remember BoB for. As for GoonFleet? All people have against us is the "pack" and our use of T1 frigates to give newbies in EVE a fighting chance at actually doing something. ("t1 frig noobs should stay in empire where they belong IMHO") We challenge the status quo of the game and people hate us with the most bitter vitriol I've ever seen. Love it. I hear tears make the best lube. Nemo me impune lacessit
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:11:00 - [29] I'd laugh till my head exploded if ccp banned every goonswarm account. The [Games] thread about eve alone would be worth it. That and the loss of thousands of dollars worth of banner ads on SA.com would be hilarious. Not that I've anything against goons personally, being one to an extent my self. It's just I absolutely love watching goons fail miserably, something they seem so darn gosh talented at! ------------- The above user should never be taken seriously.
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Moonlight Express Hope they ban them all. EVE is better off without goons. Great news. Shooting through the POS bubble, spawning T2 BPOs, having a lead developer commanding your capital ship fleet, a direct line to CCP developers and GMs with the ability to get someone they don't like fired at the snap of their fingers, and untold exploits without any reprimand are what people are going to remember BoB for. As for GoonFleet? All people have against us is the "pack" and our use of T1 frigates to give newbies in EVE a fighting chance at actually doing something. ("t1 frig noobs should stay in empire where they belong IMHO") We challenge the status quo of the game and people hate us with the most bitter vitriol I've ever seen. Love it. I hear tears make the best lube. I can confirm this as fact. ------------- The above user should never be taken seriously.
Gidien Kane Amarr OneHundredRed	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:23:00 - [31] It's gotten harder and harder to root for what ever is left of the Coalition. GK- snip Sig removed. Please email us if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
FireFox McProwler Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:29:00 - [32] When they go and start banning accounts because some people cant hack it like good little troopers. Honestly if CCP bans peoples accounts over this it would be a positive thing. Expressing your opinion about a matter is one thing but going above and beyond the call of duty over it is something else. Once again I hope Goon tell us what wow server they go to. AXE is looking for members!! Clicky for info.
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:34:00 - [33] Edited by: Herculite on 30/05/2007 03:33:56 Originally by: Gungankllr Quite simply, public perception right now is that CCP is biased towards one specific group of players. Work on changing the perception, and I doubt things like this would happen in the first place. I don't see huge accusations of inequality on any other MMORPG, just this one. By screwing us over unfairly? What people perceive is their issue. If they want to make excuses of cheating is what led them to empire thats their problem. If perception was more important than reality CCP would have never stated the original cheating took place. I'll take the truth over someone having a tantrums perception any day thanks.
Resipsa Loquitor Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:39:00 - [34] Originally by: THE RIZA Did CCP really just threaten us with an internet lawsuit? Hahahahahahaha servers and community are under attack hahahahahaha Someone is not familiar with the Compuserve decision regarding trespass to electronic servers and accounts beyond their licensed usage. Someone is also not familiar with libel and electronic media. I'll try to get a citations for those tomorrow. People think they can do whatever they want on the internet and get away with it. How quaint. Almost 1999 thinking. ---
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:47:00 - [35] It's funny, when ANTI-CCP or ANTI-BoB stuff from the information portal gets cross posted to other forums, BAM instalock. Anti-Goon stuff? Follow your own rules CCP. there's no such thing as bad press WTT : MSN info with CCP, I wanna chat too
Elisca Black Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:47:00 - [36] WRECKING SHOT CCP!
Fabrezio ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:49:00 - [37] Edited by: Fabrezio on 30/05/2007 03:48:26 Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:00:00 - [38] Its really simple guys.... If CCP employees will quit cheating to thier advantage or for the advantage of others in game, then goons and other resources will stop reporting it. Do not be upset at the goons or whatever party it is that is reporting the "ILLEGAL" and unfair activities of those that can create an unfair advantage or downfall of others. After the T20 thing, I am far more liable to belive goonswarm over CCP at this time about this and / or any other events in the near future. CCP has a long way to go before they retain any real faith from the player base. WildCat
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Flaming Lemming It's funny, when ANTI-CCP or ANTI-BoB stuff from the information portal gets cross posted to other forums, BAM instalock. Anti-Goon stuff? Follow your own rules CCP. QFT -------------------------------------
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:02:00 - [40] BTW BoD cheats, CCP has devs running major alliances, and T20 is still playing the game. Maybe that will bring the lock hammer. -------------------------------------
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:04:00 - [41] The sad part is , its all true lol 8)
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:05:00 - [42] THIS JUST IN: Someone does something stupid, stupid people blamed for it. Film at 11.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:05:00 - [43] Originally by: NATMav BTW BoD cheats, CCP has devs running major alliances, and T20 is still playing the game. Maybe that will bring the lock hammer. Or maybe it will get you a perma ban, because you must have been warned about it few times by now.
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: NATMav BTW BoD cheats, CCP has devs running major alliances, and T20 is still playing the game. Maybe that will bring the lock hammer. Or maybe it will get you a perma ban, because you must have been warned about it few times by now. post with your dev?
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:15:00 - [45] Edited by: Obron Mettlo on 30/05/2007 04:15:38 Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: NATMav BTW BoD cheats, CCP has devs running major alliances, and T20 is still playing the game. Maybe that will bring the lock hammer. Or maybe it will get you a perma ban, because you must have been warned about it few times by now. one man alt-corp that's pro-bob that never gets banned or moderated sighting
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Moonlight Express Hope they ban them all. EVE is better off without goons. Great news. Shooting through the POS bubble, spawning T2 BPOs, having a lead developer commanding your capital ship fleet, a direct line to CCP developers and GMs with the ability to get someone they don't like fired at the snap of their fingers, and untold exploits without any reprimand are what people are going to remember BoB for. As for GoonFleet? All people have against us is the "pack" and our use of T1 frigates to give newbies in EVE a fighting chance at actually doing something. ("t1 frig noobs should stay in empire where they belong IMHO") We challenge the status quo of the game and people hate us with the most bitter vitriol I've ever seen. Love it. The loudest voices carry the most, so the ones who hate are the ones you hear. You guys are talented in getting attention and novel in gameplay style, and I don't hold that against you, but there is plenty of other stuff, imho, to tarnish your, um, image. And I use the collective 'you'... 1) Close relationship with RA, the biggest known plex exploiters in EVE. 2) Dependence on RL money to fund IG activities. 3) fofofofofo - anytime one of you mentions "unprofessional treatment" at the hands of CCP, I think of the log one posted of a Goon fleet which had been deliberately lagging local with fofo crap abusing a GM who was being way too nice...that was the tipping point for me. 4) Altering the game client. Remember, you hacked EVE for the standings display before it was implemented. "Oh, the fact it was implemented shows it was necessary!" I agree! Doesn't change a thing. 5) Metagaming. It's the same reason a lot of people don't like BOB, and you've done it on an even larger scale than they have. You wanted to have a big impact on a MMORPG? Congrats, you have. You wanted to expose some disease at the core? I don't think you've made a compelling case. The 'cure' is worse than the disease. I think a lot of you are really smart guys, and I am sure I'd like you if I met you, but please realize that you're alienating a huge portion of us through your actions. Don't blame BOB, screw BOB, look at how you're doing things and how you've portrayed yourselves in the past. That is why you lack credibility and why large numbers cringe to associate themselves with you. On one hand you accuse CCP of ruining the game and victimizing its players, on the other you patronize the community and accuse it of blindness and complicity, when you have failed to present sufficiently damning evidence. You didn't mount an offensive like this when you were actually provably right, and you're surprised to get a backlash when you throw it all against the wall and none of it sticks?
Invidious Malinigvious Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 04:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Flaming Lemming Edited by: Flaming Lemming on 30/05/2007 04:01:05 It's funny, when ANTI-CCP or ANTI-BoB stuff from the information portal gets cross posted to other forums, BAM instalock. Anti-Goon stuff? Follow your own rules CCP. Edit : Crap, I alt-posted. I'll keep it here until modded, it get my point across Um, lol? Did you forget about the 160+ page bob hate thread where we were accused of everything from killing JFK to masterminding the Roswell landings? How soon the mental midgets forget...
Flaming Lemming Caldari Puppeteer Press	Posted - 2007.05.30 05:00:00 - [48] Edited by: Flaming Lemming on 30/05/2007 05:00:20 Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious Originally by: Flaming Lemming Edited by: Flaming Lemming on 30/05/2007 04:01:05 It's funny, when ANTI-CCP or ANTI-BoB stuff from the information portal gets cross posted to other forums, BAM instalock. Anti-Goon stuff? Follow your own rules CCP. Edit : Crap, I alt-posted. I'll keep it here until modded, it get my point across Um, lol? Did you forget about the 160+ page bob hate thread where we were accused of everything from killing JFK to masterminding the Roswell landings? How soon the mental midgets forget... And that thread was cross posted here? I believe I said something about cross-posting? That's OK, I know staring at edit, this part wasn't needed, bordered on trolling- self modded there's no such thing as bad press WTT : MSN info with CCP, I wanna chat too
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 05:04:00 - [49] Originally by: Adam Weishaupt The loudest voices carry the most, so the ones who hate are the ones you hear. You guys are talented in getting attention and novel in gameplay style, and I don't hold that against you, but there is plenty of other stuff, imho, to tarnish your, um, image. And I use the collective 'you'... 1) Close relationship with RA, the biggest known plex exploiters in EVE. As opposed to BoB who ran the broken Blood Raiders complexes like clockwork while they were on a 50 minute respawn timer and stockpiled deadspace equipment that they all have their dreads fit now? Oh yeah, and then a close BoB pet just happens to mention to CCP that they're broken months after the fact just as RA starts contesting them. Quote: 2) Dependence on RL money to fund IG activities. You mean the timecard referral money, or the fact that some of our members buy GTCs to sell for ISK? It's an accepted form of gameplay by CCP, so get the hell over it. Quote: 3) fofofofofo - anytime one of you mentions "unprofessional treatment" at the hands of CCP, I think of the log one posted of a Goon fleet which had been deliberately lagging local with fofo crap abusing a GM who was being way too nice...that was the tipping point for me. You can go back and look at the logs, and you'll clearly see that we only did it after fights, and not during. The chat and game servers servers are two different things so even if the chat server got lagged you wouldn't notice anything as far as gameplay goes. This was refuted time and time again but thats alright since our battlecry was a convenient scapegoat for our enemies. "No guys we didn't lose that fleet battle, it was the lag of the goons fofofo'ing in local five minutes after the fight! Petition!!!" Quote: 4) Altering the game client. Remember, you hacked EVE for the standings display before it was implemented. "Oh, the fact it was implemented shows it was necessary!" I agree! Doesn't change a thing. I don't think you understand just how basic the "hack" is, and CCP, after a year, still hasn't implemented hash checking against the portraits or any of that crap, which they could have easily done. Instead, they implemented it into the client. Quote: 5) Metagaming. It's the same reason a lot of people don't like BOB, and you've done it on an even larger scale than they have. And look how far it's gotten us. To be successful, you have to be competitive, and to be competitive, you need to be a pro at the metagame. That's just the way EVE is. Get used to it. BoB do it, we do it, anyone whose left standing in 0.0 right now does it. Sorry if that annoys you. Quote: You wanted to have a big impact on a MMORPG? Congrats, you have. You wanted to expose some disease at the core? I don't think you've made a compelling case. The 'cure' is worse than the disease. I think a lot of you are really smart guys, and I am sure I'd like you if I met you, but please realize that you're alienating a huge portion of us through your actions. Don't blame BOB, screw BOB, look at how you're doing things and how you've portrayed yourselves in the past. That is why you lack credibility and why large numbers cringe to associate themselves with you. On one hand you accuse CCP of ruining the game and victimizing its players, on the other you patronize the community and accuse it of blindness and complicity, when you have failed to present sufficiently damning evidence. You didn't mount an offensive like this when you were actually provably right, and you're surprised to get a backlash when you throw it all against the wall and none of it sticks? Honestly not much in that open letter really interests us anymore. The Sharkbait stuff was blown out or proportion and we admit that. Dianabolic admitting that he has a bunch of devs on his MSN list that can take orders from him at the snap of his fingers is what we're really annoyed as hell at Please email us as to why Your signature has been removed - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 05:11:00 - [50] Originally by: NATMav BTW BoD cheats, CCP has devs running major alliances, and T20 is still playing the game. Maybe that will bring the lock hammer. Proof of 'BoD' cheating right now. Which alliance is a dev RUNNING? Who cares if T20 is still playing? e; HILARIOUS! I just figured it out "Band of DEVELOPERS" holy gosh darn drat donkey in a top hat! I never realized what that "Acronym" as the kids say was. My god, you've floored me, wow. How could I possibly let that little gem of pure comedy genius slip past me! On gosh darn drat, I feel like such a silly little fish. Haha, man you, you should write for SOMETHINGAWFUL DOT COM, I hear they have a hilarious forum dedicated to hilarious posters like you. Did I mention hilarious in this huge poorly formated post? Because it really is hilarious. Hi-Lar-Ious, that's almost a haiku! ------------- [En] - So....I think the devs don't like me.
Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 05:25:00 - [51] Yuki Nagato you are a terrible poster
Adm Tecumseh Caldari The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.05.30 05:26:00 - [52] Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 30/05/2007 05:28:50 Originally by: Yuki Nagato Honestly not much in that open letter really interests us anymore. The Sharkbait stuff was blown out or proportion and we admit that. Dianabolic admitting that he has a bunch of devs on his MSN list that can take orders from him at the snap of his fingers is what we're really annoyed as hell at ummmmm hook, line, sinker???? btw who has the titan fund. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA And the dish ran away with the goon HAHAHAHAHA To0 the above poster, get out of the swarm, BOS is much better then that. Join Pandemic. so your BOSNIGGINTEL channel can be goonfree. It is full of spies now.
Marisa Coulter	Posted - 2007.05.30 05:29:00 - [53]
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 05:47:00 - [54] Originally by: DHB WildCat Its really simple guys.... If CCP employees will quit cheating to thier advantage or for the advantage of others in game, then goons and other resources will stop reporting it. Do not be upset at the goons or whatever party it is that is reporting the "ILLEGAL" and unfair activities of those that can create an unfair advantage or downfall of others. After the T20 thing, I am far more liable to belive goonswarm over CCP at this time about this and / or any other events in the near future. CCP has a long way to go before they retain any real faith from the player base. WildCat /signed ---------------------- Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 05:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: NATMav BTW BoD cheats, CCP has devs running major alliances, and T20 is still playing the game. Maybe that will bring the lock hammer. Or maybe it will get you a perma ban, because you must have been warned about it few times by now. God, we can all only pray.

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:16:00 - [56] This is not needed. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website


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