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Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.10 02:11:00 - [1] Edited by: Pojo on 10/01/2004 22:22:34 This ships showed up to interfere with our work in Luminaire system but thats a topic for another thread. Hers is some the stats and some pics before I was warped to another system by the gm. Quick Page With The Pics - Move Mouse Over Tabs To See Them "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.10 03:57:00 - [2] All the windows were cut to keep everything, there were no slots shown. The screen shot show everything that was in the window. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.10 05:46:00 - [3] Well I really didn't want to turn this thread into the thread about luminaire today but some people just don't want to listen. Of course the people that are complaining about us forgot to mention the fact that we did loose many ships. Concord doesn't show up some of the time for unknown reasons to us. However they do show up and most the time when they do the attacking ship dies. They also forgot to mention that they were invited to send some fighters out for over an hour. Out of 60+ average in the system only 3 lamers came out to meet our challenge. Two came out in frigates without any guns in an attempt to just have concord kill us. Last guy was in a thorax and came after me and got his silly thorax torn up after 20 seconds of mixing up with a kestrel. He had to warp out just to save his ship, I mean really its just one kestrel. As for picking on noobs or whatever yeah if there were any in the belts then we would have killed way more. The fact is that they were all camping in stations and talking trash in local. Right along side the "experienced" warriors that never came out to finish a fight. Exploit my ass we never did anything of the sort, majority of cases concord showed up and killed our ships. I alone have 20+ concord emails notifying me of my ship destruction in luminair. Only gallente pilots were targets and their best offence was to whine and complain to the gms to come save them from non existent exploits. What were they so afraid of? Let see 4-5 kestrels with pretty much new players in them. Seriously to whine about a few kestrels that invite you to fight in 1.0 system and will fire the first shot is just pathetic. We were willing to take them and concord on at same time and still no none finished a fight. The matter of the fact is that we were playing out a story based on eve history. We went only after our historical enemies and our demand was that of political nature. None of the loot form attacked ships was taken, there was no profit in this at all. Just because some people dont understand or want to play rp doesn't exclude them from events that happen in eve universe. I have full logs of local and if need be I will back up all my statements with them. The gms were simply wrong and need to learn about the game dynamics before they listen to the whiners. Case and example my sec status is -3.8 so I get attacked anytime I enter 1.0 space. I can accept that I get my ship blown from under me but I can still pod around. A gm comes in and send me this message "Entering 1.0 system with -3.8 in security status is not supposed to be possible. If you come again, you are exploiting and you will be dealt with as an exploiter." is he on ***? The ability to fly past any system no matter your ss in a pod is a god given right from day one. Either he has never had to fly home in a pod or he's new to being a gm. The hilarity continues with another episode, right before that email and my insta warp 5 jumps away I had another frigate challenger. We met next to the sun i think and just as we about to engage a gm flys in and puts himself between us. I of course cant tell that by my perspective and set off my volley of missiles they hit the gm by accident. Concord shows up and blow me to crap, the next thing just floors me. Local lights up with a gm saying "GM ** > so, you think this is allowed when we're not looking ?". I mean really I did it right in front of him with my missiles hitting him. I just dont know what to say to that at this point. Of course soon after the gms arrive local is bursting with conversation. I am trying to calmly explain everything that we not exploiting go look here and I will be glad to answer any question the gms have. Just as we about to get into a good quality discussion I am insta warped a few systems away because of that (cant enter space with -3.8 rubbish) that **ed me off because all they did was send me away so we could not defend our case. I hold no grudge for the gms but they should at least learn their own game before making wrong statements. I didn't threaten them that I would stop my account or any such none sense all I wanted was the chances to reply and address their concerns over our action. Damn this is getting to long and boring but it had to be said, I only hope they dont delete this thread so people can see the pics. I was planning on doing a separate thread about the event but some people just cant keep their tongue in check. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.10 06:27:00 - [4] Exactly whats the alternative to trying to run when concord is attacking you? You making solid normal tactics sound like they bad, thats exactly what you should do in a situation like that. Concord sometimes warps in at range that wont allow them to web and jam. Again how is this exploiting? We attack expecting concord to come and kills us, but there is no reason to just give up when they show up. We dont use grid exploits or anytying like that, if concord shows up its their job to make sure they warp in to web us for sure. You also dont know about the fact that when you dock after a kill and come out there is a huge army of concord that blows you away instantly. Even after 15 minutes of sitting in a station, concord is iffy both way there are times when I was killed by then even though I should not have been. Do you see me whining about it? I accept concords flaws because they work against both sides. Thoxar fight I think that was someone else you talking about. I had a thorax fight and i think some other members did too so I think you fought them. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.10 06:58:00 - [5] In my opinion they are already way too good as is. They arrive (when they do) instantly and get an instant lock on any ship. There is no way to fight back at all. Its not realistic to expect the cops to show up 100% of all attacks and do so under 2 seconds. After all there is a limited number of them for any given region. What if you have a couple of attacks going on in different belts? Surely you dont expect a magic number of concord just arrive instantly to every incident. For some reason they dont pursue the criminal, this would make them more realistic. If you manage to warp out in time they just dont bother with you anymore. The bottom line is that it cost more money to fund the attacks compared to the losses we inflicted. That and security hit is punishment enough. These Freedom Fighter raids are very expensive to carry out on any large consisten scale. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.10 20:14:00 - [6] As expected this pretty much has split the community with some that condemn the attacks and others supporting them on different levels. I just want to clarify a few things that should answer some of the questions posed. We had open and secret support in making this happen from many people and not just Caldari, I want to say thankx to all the people that helped make this happen. The point of the attack was to strike at the very heart of the system that controls Caldari Prime. The fact that it was 1.0 only added to the shock value of it. To strike them where they feel the safest is the most important psychological benefit. Just like the dolittle raids on tokyo and the pearl harbor attacks the attack may not be big or all that damaging but it sends a strong message. We had to advance the attack plan forward due to the fact that next patch the kestrel will not be able to carry cruise missile any longer. Cruise missiles on a kestrel is what made these attacks possible. We will explore other options after the patch but so far it doesnt look like such attacks will ever happen again. In many ways this attack was the last hura for the mighty kestrel. I spent two days testing and developing tactics in Luminaire while the entire time warning people and spreading the resistance message. No one should have been surprised to die in any attack if they looked at local at all. After that I took a day off from attacks to build up the 30+ kesterls, make missiles and recruit more pilots. On the 4th day we returned with more people and again people were repeatedly warned in local before the first missile flew. Intakis that support Caldari State were asked to stay in station or leave the system while we attacked. The problem with people is that they ignore such warning or just don't want to hear them. We put in a lot of effort in spreading the word both in game and on the forum. Anyone that's cough unprepared needs to get their head our of a roid and look outside every so often. Of course we all realized that this would lower ss ratings and no doubt there will be retaliations against us. I am expecting many war declarations to land on our door step any moment now. The resistance members were made up from various corporations and this was done exactly for the purpose of making it difficult to declare war on all participating corporations. Anyway for all purposes the attacked worked no Gallente system is safe from attack not even 1.0 and I hope they wont forget that anytime soon. We will continue to find ways to attack them when and where they don't expect, until our world is free our fight is not finished. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.11 07:07:00 - [7] Various people were killed as far as I know none were complete noobs. I dont remember any victims that were part of a noob start u corp either. We killed a bunch of iterons from like III to V and other indys. Some frigates were also killed but that was in cobat due to challenges. A few cruiser were almost destroyed but they ran away before they got finished off. We lots a ton of kestrels but thats thanks to concord and as it should be. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.11 16:19:00 - [8] Edited by: Pojo on 11/01/2004 16:20:51 Ziona please stop making yourself sound silly you have no idea what you are talking about. First off the gate camping in Yulai was a grid exploit as far as I know and thats an exploit. Quote: The fact that you are using disposable frigates and firing cruise to ensure you get the kills and / or have a chance to escape before they hit due to the bug with aggression not occuring until impact pretty much negates your bull**** story of roleplay. First off as soon as you activate your first weapon or launcher the cops are on their way. In most cases by the time missiles impact concord is already there trying to kill the agressor. Gms already said it many times 1.0 is not 100% safe the only thing it should give you is that your agressor ship will be destroyed. Which is exactly what happened majority of the time, the times when they didnt show up is concords failure and not in any way our doing. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.12 00:52:00 - [9] Ziona for crying out loud you have no idea what you talking about and yes ccp (gms) are wrong very often. I lost my frist moa cruise after weeks of mining to Tank Ceo by nothing more then luck. I lost my Typhoon to a bunch of gate campers along with 40 mill of modules. Do you see me complaining or leaving the game? Sure I was ****ed but if people cant taks a simply indy or cruise loss then they playing the wrong game. As for rp in low sec space, there is no one there but alliances that dont give a crap about rp at all. I already stated our reason for choosing Luminaire, if it was .4 system or lower we would still have attacked it if Caldari Prime was there. The fact that it was a 1.0 made it super hard and very costly on security status. I was +1.4 just a few days ago so I lost more then any of the pilots we killed. Please stick your noob prapoganda where someone cares about it. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.12 02:38:00 - [10] This is getting no where the gms already intefered so now we have to find another way to kill gallente in any space as punishment. Plans are being developed that will make this attack seem puny and insignificant. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
Pojo	Posted - 2004.01.12 06:49:00 - [11] I am done with you retards that refuse to read all the information presented to them. Posting things that have already been answer many posts above, just coming here to flap your lips to get some anger of you chest. Please take your own issues and anger somewhere else. If anyone has anything intelligent to say I will gladly address it. "Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"

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