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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.10 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Pojo on 10/01/2004 22:22:34
This ships showed up to interfere with our work in Luminaire system but thats a topic for another thread. Hers is some the stats and some pics before I was warped to another system by the gm. 
Quick Page With The Pics - Move Mouse Over Tabs To See Them
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.01.10 02:23:00 -
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I have some screenshots of my own too, mostly showing your 'freedom fighters' exploiting.
(Avoiding concord, many of them shot entire volly's of cruise missiles at me and a friend with no concord response.)
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Taliah
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Posted - 2004.01.10 02:24:00 -
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I want one of those 
[ 2004.01.04 22:06:43 ] Main > anyone selling the Charisma blueprint? |
AikenAidan
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Posted - 2004.01.10 02:39:00 -
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To get one Join the 'Polaris Volenteers Program', or so it would seem.
Universal Law of Lazyness: Everything in the universe will take the easyest path possible, unless acted upon by an intelligence.
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RagnarH
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Posted - 2004.01.10 03:30:00 -
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how about slots ?
This char is perm banned on forums :S |
Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.10 03:57:00 -
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All the windows were cut to keep everything, there were no slots shown. The screen shot show everything that was in the window. 
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Leekar
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Posted - 2004.01.10 03:58:00 -
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Nice ship. Where do I get one 
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Taliah
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Posted - 2004.01.10 04:01:00 -
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**** just one slot and you could take on alot of people with 1mil structure :P
[ 2004.01.04 22:06:43 ] Main > anyone selling the Charisma blueprint? |
Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.10 04:08:00 -
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Bah, 5 blackbirds would target jam it.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2004.01.10 04:59:00 -
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Acording to Pojo and USObob, blowing up ships and running from Concord, in 1.0 space, ain't exploiting the game. If there is a bug such as Concord showing up late (because you fire your missiles then hit warp ASAP) then it is CCP`s fault and they should fix it.
The Gm`s can't tell them what to do as they pay to play and can do whatever they wan't, is another line they liked to quote in local. When I told them the official line on surviving an attack by Concord I was informed that that was my opinion even though it came from CCP.
The other defence for their actions was; "I am role-playing and this is an MMORPG". I guess they ain't bothered to read the cover of the box =EVE= comes with. When questioned about how their victims feel USObob replied; "I don't care about others feelings, they play this and should expect to get killed in 1.0 space by other players. No system is supposed to be safe".
All I can ask is that if you see these jokers in .4< space, (I doubt they have the bottle to go there) please pod kill them with the message; "I don't care how you feel."
Bosie.
http://bosie.proboards40.com/
http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.01.10 05:02:00 -
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Yea these players are pretty sad, Its one thing to role play in the forum about attacking gallente, but auctually going in and attacking new players is just lame.
Its not roleplaying, its griefing. If you were role playing you would be attacking Gallente Navy NPC's.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.10 05:05:00 -
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"Bah, 5 blackbirds would target jam it.
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You can't get a lock on Polaris ship which makes ECM or shooting at it kinda difficult.
I think large smartbomb does something like ~2 hp of damage to it per cycle, though. :s
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Taliah
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Posted - 2004.01.10 05:09:00 -
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99.9% resistance to everything on shields and armor, good luck :P
[ 2004.01.04 22:06:43 ] Main > anyone selling the Charisma blueprint? |
GeoNoSiS
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Posted - 2004.01.10 05:24:00 -
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Plus the 2 second shield recharge
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.01.10 05:25:00 -
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It might be possible to kill it if you had everyone in eve surrounding the ship and attacking it with smartbombs for a few weeks.
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.01.10 05:36:00 -
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"I pay to play and that grants me the right to do exactly what I want" is one of the most ignorant excuses I've heard... it's like saying "I payed to enter this theme park, so you can't throw me out just for harassing the female staff, stealing candy from children and taking a dump in the ferris wheel."
People should really get a grip on user agreements and policies to understand that what they pay for is the right to enter the game, but only under the condition that they agree to obey whatever guidlines and decisions CCP and their staff make up...
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.10 05:46:00 -
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Well I really didn't want to turn this thread into the thread about luminaire today but some people just don't want to listen. Of course the people that are complaining about us forgot to mention the fact that we did loose many ships. Concord doesn't show up some of the time for unknown reasons to us. However they do show up and most the time when they do the attacking ship dies.
They also forgot to mention that they were invited to send some fighters out for over an hour. Out of 60+ average in the system only 3 lamers came out to meet our challenge. Two came out in frigates without any guns in an attempt to just have concord kill us. Last guy was in a thorax and came after me and got his silly thorax torn up after 20 seconds of mixing up with a kestrel. He had to warp out just to save his ship, I mean really its just one kestrel.
As for picking on noobs or whatever yeah if there were any in the belts then we would have killed way more. The fact is that they were all camping in stations and talking trash in local. Right along side the "experienced" warriors that never came out to finish a fight.
Exploit my ass we never did anything of the sort, majority of cases concord showed up and killed our ships. I alone have 20+ concord emails notifying me of my ship destruction in luminair. Only gallente pilots were targets and their best offence was to whine and complain to the gms to come save them from non existent exploits.
What were they so afraid of? Let see 4-5 kestrels with pretty much new players in them. Seriously to whine about a few kestrels that invite you to fight in 1.0 system and will fire the first shot is just pathetic. We were willing to take them and concord on at same time and still no none finished a fight.
The matter of the fact is that we were playing out a story based on eve history. We went only after our historical enemies and our demand was that of political nature. None of the loot form attacked ships was taken, there was no profit in this at all. Just because some people dont understand or want to play rp doesn't exclude them from events that happen in eve universe.
I have full logs of local and if need be I will back up all my statements with them. The gms were simply wrong and need to learn about the game dynamics before they listen to the whiners.
Case and example my sec status is -3.8 so I get attacked anytime I enter 1.0 space. I can accept that I get my ship blown from under me but I can still pod around. A gm comes in and send me this message "Entering 1.0 system with -3.8 in security status is not supposed to be possible. If you come again, you are exploiting and you will be dealt with as an exploiter." is he on *****? The ability to fly past any system no matter your ss in a pod is a god given right from day one. Either he has never had to fly home in a pod or he's new to being a gm.
The hilarity continues with another episode, right before that email and my insta warp 5 jumps away I had another frigate challenger. We met next to the sun i think and just as we about to engage a gm flys in and puts himself between us. I of course cant tell that by my perspective and set off my volley of missiles they hit the gm by accident. Concord shows up and blow me to crap, the next thing just floors me. Local lights up with a gm saying "GM ****** > so, you think this is allowed when we're not looking ?". I mean really I did it right in front of him with my missiles hitting him. I just dont know what to say to that at this point.
Of course soon after the gms arrive local is bursting with conversation. I am trying to calmly explain everything that we not exploiting go look here and I will be glad to answer any question the gms have. Just as we about to get into a good quality discussion I am insta warped a few systems away because of that (cant enter space with -3.8 rubbish) that ****ed me off because all they did was send me away so we could not defend our case.
I hold no grudge for the gms but they should at least learn their own game before making wrong statements. I didn't threaten them that I would stop my account or any such none sense all I wanted was the chances to reply and address their concerns over our action.
Damn this is getting to long and boring but it had to be said, I only hope they dont delete this thread so people can see the pics. I was planning on doing a separate thread about the event but some people just cant keep their tongue in check.
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.01.10 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 10/01/2004 06:25:06
Pojo.
I was there most of the time, This is what I saw:
Caldari 'Rolplayer' Fires off a volly of missiles, if concord comes, he warps out immediatly, if he is too slow, he loses his ship.
If concord doesnt come, he keeps on firing, if he had to warp out, he comes right back and concord ignores him.
Hell, I had a guy in a Ibis attacking me, right next to 10-15 Concord Battleships (he didnt do any damage cause he was using noob cannon). Concord just sat there.
This is exploiting, my friend in a thorax was going to attack the guy that attacked him, though the guy that attacked him went out of his targetting range so he warped out, not becuase he lost his shields.
I came back in a Thorax, after being constantly called a "Coward" and "HAHA He has to use a cruiser to beat us!", Someone finally attacked me, I lost all of my shields, had my armor down to 50% and hull to 75% and I did not warp out. Concord jammed him but were doing zippo damage to him, I proceeded to attack his ship. (And concord did not interfere, but he did attack me).
I agree that it was fun, and I dont mind the roleplaying, but you 'Freedom Fighters' were preying on players in indies/miners trying to get enough ISK to purchase a cruiser or try to get somewhere in eve. Prey on other players that WANT to roleplay, not just any "Gallente" player. Thats just being LAME.
This type of activity makes players want to leave.
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.10 06:27:00 -
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Exactly whats the alternative to trying to run when concord is attacking you? You making solid normal tactics sound like they bad, thats exactly what you should do in a situation like that. Concord sometimes warps in at range that wont allow them to web and jam. Again how is this exploiting? We attack expecting concord to come and kills us, but there is no reason to just give up when they show up. We dont use grid exploits or anytying like that, if concord shows up its their job to make sure they warp in to web us for sure.
You also dont know about the fact that when you dock after a kill and come out there is a huge army of concord that blows you away instantly. Even after 15 minutes of sitting in a station, concord is iffy both way there are times when I was killed by then even though I should not have been. Do you see me whining about it? I accept concords flaws because they work against both sides.
Thoxar fight I think that was someone else you talking about. I had a thorax fight and i think some other members did too so I think you fought them.
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.01.10 06:46:00 -
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I believe the way it is supposed to be, when you attack someone in a 1.0 system, your supposed to lose your ship no matter what, your supposed to be royally screwed if you attack someone.
Otherwise, Why else would it be 1.0?
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.10 06:58:00 -
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In my opinion they are already way too good as is. They arrive (when they do) instantly and get an instant lock on any ship. There is no way to fight back at all. Its not realistic to expect the cops to show up 100% of all attacks and do so under 2 seconds. After all there is a limited number of them for any given region. What if you have a couple of attacks going on in different belts? Surely you dont expect a magic number of concord just arrive instantly to every incident.
For some reason they dont pursue the criminal, this would make them more realistic. If you manage to warp out in time they just dont bother with you anymore.
The bottom line is that it cost more money to fund the attacks compared to the losses we inflicted. That and security hit is punishment enough. These Freedom Fighter raids are very expensive to carry out on any large consisten scale. 
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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INkog
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Posted - 2004.01.10 07:09:00 -
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Pojo,
I visited your Corp site several days ago and read about your plans for "The liberation of Caldari Prime". I think it was a great idea, and not only from a roleplay perspective. The game needs more player events such as these, though it appears yours did not play out as expected. That is indeed unfortunate.
Everyone,
First I want to say that I have absolutly no connections with Pojo or his corp, and only knew of his plans by following the link to his site from his signature several days ago. I also did not participate. With that said, I think it is a shame that GMs had to get involved as they did, and that the event did not turn out to be good fun for everyone involved.
Secondly, if you care to read-up and understand the lore and history of the world of EVE, you would know that Caldari Prime, the original home world of the Caldari (Now Luminaire), was invaded by the Gallente and the remaining surviors were forced out and later settled New Caldari. This event (at least as it was stated on the Lame Ducks site) was just an RP event to seek revenge for that hostile action. Lame Ducks site stated that nobody would be looted and everyone involved would be sent a communication as to explain what was unfolding. Unfortunatly it appears Luminaire was a 1.0 sector which complicates matters somewhat. I don't condone terrorizing new players, especialy podding them, and this should NOT have been done. (Hell I'm only 3 weeks into the game myself). Then again how do you RP in empire space when most, if not all, lore related systems/items are in 0.4+?
I think Lame Duck should have posted secure containers with messages at the stations/gates in Luminaire a couple of days prior to warn the new players of the event, and give them a chance to decide to take part or not. This would have been enough warning IMO, and made it fair to all. As far as GM interaction, I do not think any 'exploits' we taken advantage of, and they were in the wrong here.
I think we should all try to think of ways to make RPing viable and fun in EVE. Have fun - it's a game!
P.S. I want that ship too!
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Meffert
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Posted - 2004.01.10 08:27:00 -
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Pojo really needs to get laid.
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Percy Nilegaard
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Posted - 2004.01.10 08:35:00 -
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I personally think it is very lame of them to do it. They cannot blame it on roleplay. In real-eve universe, the Galllente Navy would have kicked arses back to the small pit they came from and then follow them there and torture their new clones. That would have been fun to watch!
1.0 is supposed to be totally safe. That has been explained in so many threads and news before so every player should know that by now.
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.01.10 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 10/01/2004 08:40:32
Pojo, baby, there are just two things that you need to wrap your brain around here:
1. Luminaire has a status of 1.0 and is considered "safe space" within the game dynamics. That means that NO (successful) attack should be possible let alone go unpunished for otherwise the entire idea of protecting those who cannot defend themselves yet (new players) is moot and the servers can close down right now rather than wait until the game dries up because people don't stay after a frustrating first 30 days.
2. A GM in NEVER ever wrong. Deal.
And while we're at it, in rp terms you are fighting a battle that was decided a long time ago - again: deal. Or else you are just what your corp's name implies.
JP Beauregard
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.01.10 11:31:00 -
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"GM is never wrong"
HAHahAHAHaHaHHAAHahahahahhahahAHAHhahahaa
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Stillborn
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Posted - 2004.01.10 11:56:00 -
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All you Gallente scumbags, bow to your Caldari superiors.
All Gallente MUST die MUAAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHH
Well done Pojo and all Lame Ducks 
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Paul Dubois
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Posted - 2004.01.10 13:12:00 -
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Hmmm lets see if you can grasp this - pretty much all MMOGs have 'safe' areas for newbies to allow them to learn the mechanics of the game without being discouraged by being killed all the time, theres a very good reason for this in that contstantly loosing your stuff at the very start of your experience tends to put people off.
Personally I'd like to see you suspended or banned, you want to blow ships up do it somewhere else.
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2004.01.10 13:21:00 -
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It might be possible to kill it if you had everyone in eve surrounding the ship and attacking it with smartbombs for a few weeks.
No actually people would blow eachother up so that wouldn't do it either...
Maybe the sole thing that could destroy it is if everyone in EVE surrounded the bugger and started firing fof's at it...and hope they hit the frigate and not someone else :p
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2004.01.10 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Chade Malloy on 10/01/2004 13:31:38
Hm, face the fact that it IS possible to activate weapons in 1.0, and therefore it IS possible to blast any n00b away with a torp volley in no time. So you cannot call 1.0 absolute safe.
(of course you should not survive something like that, concord should hunt down such an immoral pilot all around the whole region)
I donŠt say that i totally agree with PojoŠs actions, but the GMs where definately wrong to simply move his ass 5 jumps away, thats like gagging someone right before throwing him out of a window from the second floor.
And to claim banning of someone who is using regular game mechanics is simply nonsense  .
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