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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.01.10 15:33:00 -
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It sounds like an interesting player event.
Pojo, next time you try somthing like this consider the following:
Luminarie is 1.0, you will pull down alot of heat on yourself, next time start where a resistance movement would start, in the outer fringes, hunt players in systems with rating 0.4 and lower on the fringe between caldari and gallente.
Since your goal is to free caldari prime warn the gallente players that you will attack them and give them a chance to leave (run away).
after a coupple of such raids on close by systems you can get in touch with aurora and ask them to help you set up an event in Luminarie.
As for the bug with concord not reacting at times... just like with the -10 sec rating bug once you do somthing when you KNOW there should be a response and that response does not happen then I bet you are clever enough to know somthing is wrong, in a 1.0 system the police responds to each disturbence and they response FAST, kind of like how fast they would respond to a gunfight outside the whitehouse.
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.10 20:14:00 -
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As expected this pretty much has split the community with some that condemn the attacks and others supporting them on different levels. I just want to clarify a few things that should answer some of the questions posed. We had open and secret support in making this happen from many people and not just Caldari, I want to say thankx to all the people that helped make this happen. The point of the attack was to strike at the very heart of the system that controls Caldari Prime. The fact that it was 1.0 only added to the shock value of it. To strike them where they feel the safest is the most important psychological benefit. Just like the dolittle raids on tokyo and the pearl harbor attacks the attack may not be big or all that damaging but it sends a strong message.
We had to advance the attack plan forward due to the fact that next patch the kestrel will not be able to carry cruise missile any longer. Cruise missiles on a kestrel is what made these attacks possible. We will explore other options after the patch but so far it doesnt look like such attacks will ever happen again. In many ways this attack was the last hura for the mighty kestrel.
I spent two days testing and developing tactics in Luminaire while the entire time warning people and spreading the resistance message. No one should have been surprised to die in any attack if they looked at local at all. After that I took a day off from attacks to build up the 30+ kesterls, make missiles and recruit more pilots. On the 4th day we returned with more people and again people were repeatedly warned in local before the first missile flew. Intakis that support Caldari State were asked to stay in station or leave the system while we attacked.
The problem with people is that they ignore such warning or just don't want to hear them. We put in a lot of effort in spreading the word both in game and on the forum. Anyone that's cough unprepared needs to get their head our of a roid and look outside every so often.
Of course we all realized that this would lower ss ratings and no doubt there will be retaliations against us. I am expecting many war declarations to land on our door step any moment now. The resistance members were made up from various corporations and this was done exactly for the purpose of making it difficult to declare war on all participating corporations.
Anyway for all purposes the attacked worked no Gallente system is safe from attack not even 1.0 and I hope they wont forget that anytime soon. We will continue to find ways to attack them when and where they don't expect, until our world is free our fight is not finished. 
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2004.01.11 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 10/01/2004 06:25:06
Pojo.
I was there most of the time, This is what I saw:
Caldari 'Rolplayer' Fires off a volly of missiles, if concord comes, he warps out immediatly, if he is too slow, he loses his ship.
If concord doesnt come, he keeps on firing, if he had to warp out, he comes right back and concord ignores him.
Hell, I had a guy in a Ibis attacking me, right next to 10-15 Concord Battleships (he didnt do any damage cause he was using noob cannon). Concord just sat there.
This is exploiting, my friend in a thorax was going to attack the guy that attacked him, though the guy that attacked him went out of his targetting range so he warped out, not becuase he lost his shields.
I came back in a Thorax, after being constantly called a "Coward" and "HAHA He has to use a cruiser to beat us!", Someone finally attacked me, I lost all of my shields, had my armor down to 50% and hull to 75% and I did not warp out. Concord jammed him but were doing zippo damage to him, I proceeded to attack his ship. (And concord did not interfere, but he did attack me).
I agree that it was fun, and I dont mind the roleplaying, but you 'Freedom Fighters' were preying on players in indies/miners trying to get enough ISK to purchase a cruiser or try to get somewhere in eve. Prey on other players that WANT to roleplay, not just any "Gallente" player. Thats just being LAME.
This type of activity makes players want to leave.
Grow a pair.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.01.11 05:41:00 -
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when did 1.0 security level become translated to 100% safe?!?! Do you mean to say that if I chugged out to Yulai in my Apocalypse, & decided to fire upon a shuttle that my 5x megabeams & 2 cruise missiles that I launched prior to being jammed by concord wouldn't destroy the shuttle & mostly like the pod as well? Even if I was destroyed shortly after, the strongest security force in the world isn't going to protect you from someone who doesn't mind dying in the process of killing you. 9/11 should've taught us all that.
In any case, I applaud the efforts of Lame Duck. They've managed to add a little CONTENT to the game. It's content that the players can interact with, rather than a paragraph on eve-news that was rammed down our throats, like it or not, can't do nuthin about it, garbagola, like we get from ccp.
I can understand the frustation of someone who lost a ship, & I can understand why ppl might've been operating under the assumption that the 1.0 systems would be a place they wouldn't die. Most of the time that's true. It's true because Concord, like any security force is a deterrant, & for the most part, it's a darn good deterrant to violence in 1.0 systems.
Shame on the GM's for the way they handled the matter. If you want 1.0 to be safe, & you cannot program Concord AI to make it completely 100% safe, then simply disable any equipment in high-powered slots when you're in 1.0 systems. But you didn't do that. You provided a very effective, highly efficient DETERRANT, & it works very well within those paramaters, but to say that someone who's willing to lose a ship for their cause is an exploiter? bah & buggers to you.
& for a GM to even speak of the matter in a public channel is very innapropriate. If they did feel somethign had to be done, they should've slipped quietly in, taken care of what they perceived to be the problem, & silently left. Who runs this game? 14 yr olds? Power-trippin in local about flexin yer GM muscle? gimme a break.
In short, you guys [ the lame ducks ] shook up the snow-scene. You tried to create a little player-invented content... something which CCP has encouraged, btw... & it rubbed a few ppl the wrong way, as it interferred with their min/maxxing quest for uber-skillpoints or uber-isk accounting, or uber-npc-agent-mission-completion.. & why?
Hat's off to you for enjoying the game. Keep enjoying the game. Hell, I'd like to join ya, If you'd have an old battle-scarred, formerly-enslaved, very ugly, & very vocal Minmatar like myself :)
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.01.11 06:47:00 -
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Someone answer this question for me.
Were the victims of this event really newb players or corporations that were strip mining ores intended for new players?
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.11 07:07:00 -
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Various people were killed as far as I know none were complete noobs. I dont remember any victims that were part of a noob start u corp either. We killed a bunch of iterons from like III to V and other indys. Some frigates were also killed but that was in cobat due to challenges. A few cruiser were almost destroyed but they ran away before they got finished off.
We lots a ton of kestrels but thats thanks to concord and as it should be. 
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.01.11 09:54:00 -
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"An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it.
b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. "
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"The Yulai system is a high-security area and should be safe for general travel. That has unfortunately not been the case, with players getting killed right by the gate to Amarr, without sentry gun response."
Luminaire is also a high-security area and should be safe for general travel.
What part of your brain doesn't understand this?
The fact that you are using disposable frigates and firing cruise to ensure you get the kills and / or have a chance to escape before they hit due to the bug with aggression not occuring until impact pretty much negates your bull**** story of roleplay.
Why not grow a pair of balls and admit you just wanted to blow **** up in a super high traffic area?
Infinity
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.01.11 15:49:00 -
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Various people were killed as far as I know none were complete noobs. I dont remember any victims that were part of a noob start u corp either. We killed a bunch of iterons from like III to V and other indys. Some frigates were also killed but that was in cobat due to challenges. A few cruiser were almost destroyed but they ran away before they got finished off.
We lots a ton of kestrels but thats thanks to concord and as it should be.
I see. So the victims in question think that 1.0 space is newb space and should be completely safe. But then they go and strip the ores intended for the newbs?
I don't fully support what you did but I fully understand why. I tried doing faction fighting and against NPCs (something that people suggested as an alternative to killing PCs) and it plainly sucked. The same two frigate, one cruiser Sarum team appeared all the time and they didnt even drop anything (not that I was doing it for the loot) and I did not get any kind of recognition for it. I couldn't even free the slaves I siezed.
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.11 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Pojo on 11/01/2004 16:20:51
Ziona please stop making yourself sound silly you have no idea what you are talking about. First off the gate camping in Yulai was a grid exploit as far as I know and thats an exploit.
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The fact that you are using disposable frigates and firing cruise to ensure you get the kills and / or have a chance to escape before they hit due to the bug with aggression not occuring until impact pretty much negates your bull**** story of roleplay.
First off as soon as you activate your first weapon or launcher the cops are on their way. In most cases by the time missiles impact concord is already there trying to kill the agressor.
Gms already said it many times 1.0 is not 100% safe the only thing it should give you is that your agressor ship will be destroyed. Which is exactly what happened majority of the time, the times when they didnt show up is concords failure and not in any way our doing. 
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.01.11 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 11/01/2004 19:42:36
Nah, attacking ships in 1.0 space isn't instant death. It never was. 1.0 space just has the best CONCORD response, but you can get away if your lucky and smart. CONCORD ships tend to be slow, after all...
[Edited to remove the "I hope you're not attacking noobs, Pojo" bit, since he posted the bit where he said he wasn't attacking noobs...]
And to any Gallente who've been ganked and are ticked about it: Join channel "gallente" in game. You're now officially part of this whole Gallente-Caldari thing, so you might as well get some RP fun out of it!
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Belzavior
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Posted - 2004.01.11 21:35:00 -
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nurf polaris
j/k 
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.01.11 22:48:00 -
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So basically you wanted to blow up some indys without concord, and harash starting players.
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2004.01.11 22:56:00 -
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Come on! At least their shield recharge rate is 2 seconds not 1!
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.01.11 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 11/01/2004 23:04:58
"Gms already said it many times 1.0 is not 100% safe the only thing it should give you is that your agressor ship will be destroyed."
Pojo, my second quote is from CCP "is a high security system and should be safe for general travel". Are you telling me that CCP is wrong or is it you just never read the news?
As for missiles, unless it was changed in the patch, they don't cause a concord response until they hit another player.
And finally you say you blew up a few cruisers, did you stop to think that the owners of said cruisers might have been working for weeks if not months to get that cruiser and wouldn't appreciate being killed by some roleplaying griefer and his friends?
Have some respect for your fellow players.
Infinity
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KrapYl
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Posted - 2004.01.11 23:15:00 -
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i saw some guy had a signuter, with a quote like: this thread is so hijacked, its in cuba, seeking asylum... ?
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.01.11 23:29:00 -
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The problem with Luminaire is that it is one of the two most used systems for travel with Yulaj. As a gallente I'd gladly avoid Luminaire if I could but I can't. I don't like this system, your planet Caldari Prime is awful but I am forced to go there when I travel.
If you want to fight gallentes just head to the Vieres constellation, which is the political center of the Federation with Senate and President offices and those systems are low security, like 0.3 or 0.4...
Hardly nobody goes there so you can do all the rp you want in this place.
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.12 00:52:00 -
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Ziona for crying out loud you have no idea what you talking about and yes ccp (gms) are wrong very often. I lost my frist moa cruise after weeks of mining to Tank Ceo by nothing more then luck. I lost my Typhoon to a bunch of gate campers along with 40 mill of modules. Do you see me complaining or leaving the game? Sure I was ****ed but if people cant taks a simply indy or cruise loss then they playing the wrong game.
As for rp in low sec space, there is no one there but alliances that dont give a crap about rp at all. I already stated our reason for choosing Luminaire, if it was .4 system or lower we would still have attacked it if Caldari Prime was there. The fact that it was a 1.0 made it super hard and very costly on security status. I was +1.4 just a few days ago so I lost more then any of the pilots we killed. Please stick your noob prapoganda where someone cares about it.
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Crawe Deraven
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Posted - 2004.01.12 02:02:00 -
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Nice
- Executive CEO of Xeno-Tech.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.01.12 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Falbala on 12/01/2004 02:28:19
You ask gallentes to stay out of Luminaire, it is impossible to travel anywhere without going through Luminaire, who is the newbie?
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.12 02:38:00 -
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This is getting no where the gms already intefered so now we have to find another way to kill gallente in any space as punishment. Plans are being developed that will make this attack seem puny and insignificant.
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.12 04:04:00 -
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Quite frankly, i could care less if some "roleplaying" gank squad tried to attack me. Even though my character is gallente, i dont roleplay in game (i prefer to do stuff with my corp) and i try to avoid pvp (although the People's Front of Mim is ****ing me off with constant cargo scans). However things like this are annoying to me from a friendly player standpoint (Ive given out quite a lot of money to new and beginning players in the help channel, and when i have money i try to help them as well as by helping them by answering questions. In my opinion, the best thing ive ever had happen in the game was when a Dev thanked me for helping. And Im DAMN proud of that.). Luminaire is a SAFE system. Yulai is a SAFE system. I dont see an option to declare war on factions. You should NOT be able to travel in a pod from station to station with a negative sec rating. Ganking of one race is not called roleplaying, its called ETHNIC GENOCIDE. Taking advantage of the kestral (with its cheap cost, excellent weapons payload, and extreme damage potential) vs PVP n00bs (indy pilots in 1.0 space are not supposed to get blown up by gankers in kestrals who are out for a power rush in an attempt to shaft the system) and taking advantage of the game system itself (see m0o for excellent example of things like this) is often what makes the game distasteful for others. Quite frankly i have absolutely NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER as long as u do this in .4 and less space where it belongs. There are PLENTY of gallente areas that are well travelled, you are just being lazy about this to the point that you are just out to gank stuff. In fact I challenged you to come and try and stop me from going through Luminaire, and i didnt see a single one of you rise to the occasion (so much for warring on all Gallente). As long as you are in 1.0 you guys are nothing but griefers and in my mind exploiters that are taking away from the play experience of others. When you look at it from the standpoint that we cant initiate offensive action first (instead we have to wait for the first missile to hit us before we can fire back) we are faced with an exploitation of the games mechanics to the deteriment of other players. You are exploiting the CONCORD/sentry system by using them to prevent US from attacking your ships, while you are free to take the first action always. Until u take this type of actions where they belong (.4 and down) or CCP enables us to ATTACK ANY PERSON WITH A NEGATIVE SECURITY STATUS IN EMPIRE SPACE WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES, this type of action is an exploit in my mind, and im sure in the minds of others. All you are a person who is exploiting the game mechanics to bring harm to others playing the game. Until you prove that you can do what you are supposed to do (i.e in .4 and down) you will be an exploiter to me (and im sure to CCP as well).
-"Podkilling is more than a hobby, Its a way of life."
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.12 06:49:00 -
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I am done with you retards that refuse to read all the information presented to them. Posting things that have already been answer many posts above, just coming here to flap your lips to get some anger of you chest. Please take your own issues and anger somewhere else. If anyone has anything intelligent to say I will gladly address it.
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.01.12 09:20:00 -
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There's a lot of people throwing the words exploit and greifing about. If that was the case, as GM's were present for a fair portion of the event, Pojo and the others involved would have been banned as per CCP's rules and regs that people are throwing about. They weren't! enough already!
And that supposed banning would have happened long before the actual event as Pojo was doing the same thing for a number of days in a run up to the event.
*rolls eyes*
There's alot of people as Pojo says, flapping their lips to shout and bluster.
At least *try* and read the whole thread and Pojo's answers before replying?
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.01.12 12:59:00 -
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You can pretend anything you want in forums, anyone who saw the local chat in Luminaire know that you are not even close to a decent RPer.
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.01.12 23:41:00 -
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Sure I was ****ed but if people cant taks a simply indy or cruise loss then they playing the wrong game.
Losing ship is not the issue, atleast not for me. I were happily making few sandwitches when I heards some funny noices from my speakers. Looked at monitor and saw 4 ships, sitting by my side and shooting missiles repeatedly at me.
No concord actions, none what so ever. It took me about minute to get to activate warp, which failed in the last moment. No structure left at that point.
So let's analyse what you did.
1) You discovered a bug/design flaw in the game mechanics.
2) You exploited that bug/design flaw to your own purposes.
So you gamed the game, and that's why I consider you pathetic. Not because of your "roleplay", not because of your gallante feud, not because of ships lost. But for immature actions.
If I were CCP, I'd just wipe your character. Ok, so you would get angry and leave, that's one or two accounts. But did you consider that every exploitation of some bug causes greater loss to playerbase than your actions?
I've seen many (or similiar) Q&A's like in below. Say you got 10 people mad, they tell 10 people, and they to 10, and they to 10..
Q: "What's EVE like?"
A: "Powerhungry teens exploiting bugs."
P.S. Next time you see a bug, report it.
P.S.2. Do you cheat in solitaire?
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2004.01.12 23:58:00 -
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 Oh my GAWD the stupidity...it's everywhere...no...gawd no...oh gawd help me no it's everywherenothey'recomingthey'recomingthey'recoaaaaaaarrrgggghhhhh!!!1111!
Erm, Pojo give me a yell if you want another pilot, sounds interesting  . The Gallente scum must pay! 
Incidentally.
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P.S.2. Do you cheat in solitaire?
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Racknan
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Posted - 2004.01.13 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Racknan on 13/01/2004 03:00:14
blah, the ships suck. They have no cargo room - *or* slots. Yea, thats right - NO SLOTS (just ask them, or a GM/dev)
just ask just about any polaris guy in the help channel to show you his ship in a starter system, Most will without a problem. Besides - you can't even target the ship anyhow - I tried it :P. Its definally an 'inspecter' ship alright - becasue it can't do anything else.
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Mugworth
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Posted - 2004.01.13 11:29:00 -
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Well battles of this type and shooting wars should be encouraged as it makes the game more fun. As who wants to spend their time just mining away?
alot of EVE's role playing seems to be more of a war theme than peace and it does say that everything is right on the edge on only just holding together lol.
you can get a nice clone and get your ships insurred. if you havent done this then your taking a huge gamble especially if you have an expensive cruiser.
However attacking new players and podding them when they are just getting started is totally not on and should not be encouraged at all. As its definatly enough to put people of playing the game until they have the various secruities sorted out.
These events are definatly a good thing to do but should be targeted at players which are experienced and are tooled up and have their clone and ships insured and knnow what they are getting into.
I have only been playing the game a week or so and i would have not been impressed if i had been killed where or near where i started out it would have seriously put me off the game for the simple reason that we are not fully informed and got the hang on the game mechanics and how they work.
I am alot more aware now and know the risks of PvP combat and what to do to protect myself so it becomes a differetn senerio because ppl who know what their getting into would more than likely make more fun opponents than a new player who doesnt know whats happening lol.
just what i have found from playing eve for the last week or so.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.01.13 12:06:00 -
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I understand perfectly that it can be fun for you. Now understand that it is not fun for someone running an implant mission to see the ship destroyed and the mission fail when least expected. You have low security space for PvP, leave the high security to non-PvPers.
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