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Biarch	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:35:00 - [1] No idea if it's: A) Real or Fake B) Working or Not C) Used or Not D) Legal or Not However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass. If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:38:00 - [2] Edited by: Zeonos on 30/05/2007 06:38:04 Edited by: Zeonos on 30/05/2007 06:37:41 cant see it?.. you cants post the image like that. you have to link it. http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beetrackerth9.jpg Sound on url you come to if you click. sorry for lacking eve content. Signature Graphic removed for lack of EVE content, link left open though. -Darth Patches
JForce Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:41:00 - [3] According to SHC it's a fake It would be an interesting idea. I wonder if CCP have considered more sound enhancements like that, should they get the sound engine working etc?
Vactet Immortalis Silens Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:41:00 - [4] That cant be legal.... And i think some goon is gonna be mad...that does not look like it was meant to be of public knowledge.. Oh this will be interesting to see some responses... IBTL Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Gaia Thorn Infestation.	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:47:00 - [5] Well if u need audio warnings while playing eve and do not have a handicap. You really need to take a good hard look at yourself, i mean how hard is it to spot red icons ( or whatever color u using ) in your own local chat window.
Caudex Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:47:00 - [6] Edited by: Caudex on 30/05/2007 06:47:56 OH NO HOW COULD YOU GOONSWARM I AM SO VERY ASHAMED. Not to mention the fact that if this was "illegal" it would be a "violation of the TOS agreement" not illegal. Not that it is anyway.
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Biarch No idea if it's: A) Real or Fake B) Working or Not C) Used or Not D) Legal or Not However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass. If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it. i havent looked into the eve log server. so i cant tell for sure if the log server records those parameters. if its for real.. then its between legal and illegal tbh. legal = that it isnt reading the actual stff from ingame by modding the cleint but only the log thats generated from the log server. but then again... can the log be used like that.. is another thing (it means is it legal to use the log to get info from the server and use it real time to benefit the player) --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:49:00 - [8] I'm sick of Goons, especially right after they helped perpetuate this "player allegation" fiasco. IMO, this isn't the first client side hack they've released to their alliance. Before this they had a standing tracker for local before CCP implemented it into the client. This would be really ridiculous to go unpunished, and we need to see some bans or something for this cheating, because that's what it is, hacks.
Ralara Caldari Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:49:00 - [9] If it was/is real, not it wouldn't be legal. But I don't know why you'd need to use it, any good corp or alliance will know how many hostiles are in local with them (heck any good player by themselves would) ;-) To me it looks like a lame attempt to make Goonswarm look bad :S
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:50:00 - [10] Edited by: Goumindong on 30/05/2007 06:50:46 Originally by: Biarch No idea if it's: A) Real or Fake B) Working or Not C) Used or Not D) Legal or Not However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass. If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it. Its fake, the program doesnt exist. Whether the page was created by a spy, or as a joke, i dont know. But its a wiki, so anyone with access[a lot of people] can edit it. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Bors Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:53:00 - [11] if it does or doesn't exist, why would it matter? you now have tiny little red minus's, blue plus's, and flashing skulls in local chat to alert you to incoming hostiles or friends, how is that any differant then an MSN chat chime when a buddy logs online? i don't see what all the fuss is about..
Jargoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:58:00 - [12] That's nothing, you should see our wallhax and aimbot
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:01:00 - [13] It's not borderline at all, it's definitely a violation of the EULA. -------------------------------------------------------------------- #2 You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. #3 ....You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- As someone who plays with 2 accounts, can't tell you useful that would be for 0.0 ratting, as there's no way currently to avoid roaming Vagabonds and such except to alt tab every 20 seconds.
Bors Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Jargoon That's nothing, you should see our wallhax and aimbot lol. I gotta say, i'm seeing some of the funniest stuff coming from goons tonight in terms of quick wits and comedic photo's :) regardless of the situation's, just relax and have a laugh at yourself :) did you guys acquire the license for the supersafespotbuster2000? :P
Shiny McJangles GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:20:00 - [15] you guys are so dumb it is hilarious
Asimov Machinow	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:32:00 - [16] If I were in REAL SPACE sleeping, I'd sure as hel expect the ship computers to wake me up if a threat was inbound or atleast dodge them if it's just some space debris. While making your client quit when hostile enters local seems unreasonable for a game, having optional audible as well as visual alert (local and overview) is quite reasonable. In EULA terms, the current EULA doesn't seem to have anything in it to prevent reading the logfiles. If it wouldn't be allowed to read the log files with a program, then I'm sure there's enough Chinese for everyone to read them for ISK and say something when hostile enters local.

Deckard Bishop Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Biarch No idea if it's: A) Real or Fake B) Working or Not C) Used or Not D) Legal or Not However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass. If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it. nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it? forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website Contact Support - Report Bug - Join ISD

Imager GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Deckard Bishop Originally by: Biarch No idea if it's: A) Real or Fake B) Working or Not C) Used or Not D) Legal or Not However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass. If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it. nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it? Does ISD have the authority to claim things are allowed or not allowed? Aren't you just forum moderators?
Tyrrhena Maxus Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:48:00 - [19] this thread is exactly why I love goons
Admiral Feelgood Aionios Diadochi The Makhai	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Imager Originally by: Deckard Bishop Originally by: Biarch No idea if it's: A) Real or Fake B) Working or Not C) Used or Not D) Legal or Not However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass. If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it. nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it? Does ISD have the authority to claim things are allowed or not allowed? Aren't you just forum moderators? They enjoy commenting in controversial threads, it adds weight to one side or another. If/when they're wrong they can back pedal and say they're just moderators.
Alison Fouchey	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Deckard Bishop Originally by: Biarch No idea if it's: A) Real or Fake B) Working or Not C) Used or Not D) Legal or Not However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass. If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it. nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it? much like your posting
Imager GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:04:00 - [22] Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.
Asimov Machinow	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:21:00 - [23] Originally by: mechtech or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. But this clause does not apply here. When hostile enters into system, the local view shows this. Your display then transforms this data to the frequency of light visible to humans. If you had a device that transformed it into audible frequency then you'd hear it. Seeing is hearing, ever heard of that? Thus there is no additional data or benefit from hearing instead of seeing, you just use different organ to receive the same data. Also blind people would be discriminated by CCP if they would not allow this.
Mysdora Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Asimov Machinow In EULA terms, the current EULA doesn't seem to have anything in it to prevent reading the logfiles. If it wouldn't be allowed to read the log files with a program, then I'm sure there's enough Chinese for everyone to read them for ISK and say something when hostile enters local. I don't think this reads from the logfiles. It hooks into an ingame function and detours the function calls into a 3rd party program. This kind of program is ridiculously simple to make, and quite useful too, so I doubt it's a fake. Just goes to show what hypocrites goons are, blaming others for cheating while using cheats themselves.
Ashaz	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Asimov Machinow ...Also blind people would be discriminated by CCP if they would not allow this. My god. you're killing me :lol:
wierchas noobhunter LFC	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:40:00 - [26] Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 30/05/2007 08:39:29 Originally by: mechtech It's not borderline at all, it's definitely a violation of the EULA. -------------------------------------------------------------------- #2 You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. #3 ....You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- As someone who plays with 2 accounts, can't tell you useful that would be for 0.0 ratting, as there's no way currently to avoid roaming Vagabonds and such except to alt tab every 20 seconds. well read all one thing again and think what that program should do ... use brains some times .. and i am almost sure thats it not real ...
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.30 09:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Deckard Bishop Originally by: Biarch No idea if it's: A) Real or Fake B) Working or Not C) Used or Not D) Legal or Not However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass. If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it. nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it? It's not so obvious. From description all this tool does is reading logs generated by your log server and beeps if logs state some facts. If I write a tool which looks into damage logs (they are written on disk and can be read using standard notepad) and beeps when I am engaged by enemy will it be illegal?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.30 09:56:00 - [28] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/05/2007 09:57:44 Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: Deckard Bishop Originally by: Biarch No idea if it's: A) Real or Fake B) Working or Not C) Used or Not D) Legal or Not However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass. If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it. nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it? It's not so obvious. From description all this tool does is reading logs generated by your log server and beeps if logs state some facts. If I write a tool which looks into damage logs (they are written on disk and can be read using standard notepad) and beeps when I am engaged by enemy will it be illegal? Damage logs are normally outputted by the client to a file--analyzing them is allowed. The purpose of the logserver is to debug EVE, not to serve as an API for abuse. No, the linked program is not allowed, clearly. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Vactet Immortalis Silens Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.30 10:01:00 - [29] Someone made the point, but id like to say it myself... Since when did an ISD mod have the..ability to say whats legit and not? IF you did..youd be called a GM or Dev..but you arent. Saying "It doesnt look like it follows the EULA, let me grab a GM/Dev who knows more about this" would have been the right answer. Oh noes my post will probably be edited for directly challenging an ISD person, oh god no. -.-. Try NOT to overstep your bounds ISD. K? Back to the topic. Depending on how the program, if there is such one, works..ehh maybe. Editing/Touching what data is sent to the server from the client=bad Viewing whats coming back? Ehhh debateable. So is the whole fact that once its on my machine, its my information despite what any TOS says about it because they cant access it without my permission or theres privacy issues to be had. Now then..Viewing said data coming TO you..and doing something that doesnt affect the data stream...no reason why it should be illegal. Now does that mean its ethical? Heck no. But theres alot of differences from legal and ethical. Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.30 10:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Imager Does ISD have the authority to claim things are allowed or not allowed? Aren't you just forum moderators? Even a fool has the authority to know the basics of what is and isn't allowed. Alas you fall below this category. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles

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