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Biarch
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:35:00 -
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No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zeonos on 30/05/2007 06:38:04
Edited by: Zeonos on 30/05/2007 06:37:41
cant see it?..
you cants post the image like that. you have to link it.
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beetrackerth9.jpg
Sound on url you come to if you click.
sorry for lacking eve content.
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JForce
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:41:00 -
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According to SHC it's a fake 
It would be an interesting idea.
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:41:00 -
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That cant be legal....
And i think some goon is gonna be mad...that does not look like it was meant to be of public knowledge..
Oh this will be interesting to see some responses...
IBTL
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we are screwed.
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Gaia Thorn
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:47:00 -
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Well if u need audio warnings while playing eve and do not have a handicap.
You really need to take a good hard look at yourself, i mean how hard is it to spot red icons ( or whatever color u using ) in your own local chat window.
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Caudex
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Caudex on 30/05/2007 06:47:56
OH NO HOW COULD YOU GOONSWARM I AM SO VERY ASHAMED.
Not to mention the fact that if this was "illegal" it would be a "violation of the TOS agreement" not illegal.
Not that it is anyway.
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Riho
Gallente
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
i havent looked into the eve log server. so i cant tell for sure if the log server records those parameters.
if its for real.. then its between legal and illegal tbh. legal = that it isnt reading the actual stff from ingame by modding the cleint but only the log thats generated from the log server. but then again... can the log be used like that.. is another thing (it means is it legal to use the log to get info from the server and use it real time to benefit the player)
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:49:00 -
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I'm sick of Goons, especially right after they helped perpetuate this "player allegation" fiasco.
IMO, this isn't the first client side hack they've released to their alliance. Before this they had a standing tracker for local before CCP implemented it into the client.
This would be really ridiculous to go unpunished, and we need to see some bans or something for this cheating, because that's what it is, hacks.
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:49:00 -
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If it was/is real, not it wouldn't be legal.
But I don't know why you'd need to use it, any good corp or alliance will know how many hostiles are in local with them (heck any good player by themselves would) ;-)
To me it looks like a lame attempt to make Goonswarm look bad :S
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 30/05/2007 06:50:46
Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
Its fake, the program doesnt exist.
Whether the page was created by a spy, or as a joke, i dont know. But its a wiki, so anyone with access[a lot of people] can edit it.
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Bors
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:53:00 -
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if it does or doesn't exist, why would it matter?
you now have tiny little red minus's, blue plus's, and flashing skulls in local chat to alert you to incoming hostiles or friends, how is that any differant then an MSN chat chime when a buddy logs online?
i don't see what all the fuss is about..
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Jargoon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 06:58:00 -
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That's nothing, you should see our wallhax and aimbot 
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.30 07:01:00 -
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It's not borderline at all, it's definitely a violation of the EULA.
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#2 You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
#3 ....You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
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As someone who plays with 2 accounts, can't tell you useful that would be for 0.0 ratting, as there's no way currently to avoid roaming Vagabonds and such except to alt tab every 20 seconds.
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Bors
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.30 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jargoon
That's nothing, you should see our wallhax and aimbot
lol. I gotta say, i'm seeing some of the funniest stuff coming from goons tonight in terms of quick wits and comedic photo's :)
regardless of the situation's, just relax and have a laugh at yourself :)
did you guys acquire the license for the supersafespotbuster2000? :P
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Shiny McJangles
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 07:20:00 -
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you guys are so dumb it is hilarious
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Asimov Machinow
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Posted - 2007.05.30 07:32:00 -
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If I were in REAL SPACE sleeping, I'd sure as hel expect the ship computers to wake me up if a threat was inbound or atleast dodge them if it's just some space debris.
While making your client quit when hostile enters local seems unreasonable for a game, having optional audible as well as visual alert (local and overview) is quite reasonable.
In EULA terms, the current EULA doesn't seem to have anything in it to prevent reading the logfiles. If it wouldn't be allowed to read the log files with a program, then I'm sure there's enough Chinese for everyone to read them for ISK and say something when hostile enters local. 
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Deckard Bishop
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.30 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it? 
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Imager
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Deckard Bishop
Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it?
Does ISD have the authority to claim things are allowed or not allowed? Aren't you just forum moderators?
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Tyrrhena Maxus
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 07:48:00 -
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this thread is exactly why I love goons
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Admiral Feelgood
Aionios Diadochi
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.05.30 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Imager
Originally by: Deckard Bishop
Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it?
Does ISD have the authority to claim things are allowed or not allowed? Aren't you just forum moderators?
They enjoy commenting in controversial threads, it adds weight to one side or another. If/when they're wrong they can back pedal and say they're just moderators.
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Alison Fouchey
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Deckard Bishop
Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it?
much like your posting
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Imager
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:04:00 -
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Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.
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Asimov Machinow
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech
or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
But this clause does not apply here.
When hostile enters into system, the local view shows this. Your display then transforms this data to the frequency of light visible to humans. If you had a device that transformed it into audible frequency then you'd hear it. Seeing is hearing, ever heard of that? Thus there is no additional data or benefit from hearing instead of seeing, you just use different organ to receive the same data. Also blind people would be discriminated by CCP if they would not allow this.
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Mysdora
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Asimov Machinow
In EULA terms, the current EULA doesn't seem to have anything in it to prevent reading the logfiles. If it wouldn't be allowed to read the log files with a program, then I'm sure there's enough Chinese for everyone to read them for ISK and say something when hostile enters local.
I don't think this reads from the logfiles. It hooks into an ingame function and detours the function calls into a 3rd party program. This kind of program is ridiculously simple to make, and quite useful too, so I doubt it's a fake. Just goes to show what hypocrites goons are, blaming others for cheating while using cheats themselves.
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Ashaz
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Asimov Machinow
...Also blind people would be discriminated by CCP if they would not allow this.
My god. you're killing me :lol:
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wierchas noobhunter
LFC
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 30/05/2007 08:39:29
Originally by: mechtech
It's not borderline at all, it's definitely a violation of the EULA.
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#2 You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
#3 ....You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
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As someone who plays with 2 accounts, can't tell you useful that would be for 0.0 ratting, as there's no way currently to avoid roaming Vagabonds and such except to alt tab every 20 seconds.
well read all one thing again and think what that program should do ...
use brains some times ..
and i am almost sure thats it not real ...
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Deckard Bishop
Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it?
It's not so obvious. From description all this tool does is reading logs generated by your log server and beeps if logs state some facts.
If I write a tool which looks into damage logs (they are written on disk and can be read using standard notepad) and beeps when I am engaged by enemy will it be illegal?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.30 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/05/2007 09:57:44
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Originally by: Deckard Bishop
Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it?
It's not so obvious. From description all this tool does is reading logs generated by your log server and beeps if logs state some facts.
If I write a tool which looks into damage logs (they are written on disk and can be read using standard notepad) and beeps when I am engaged by enemy will it be illegal?
Damage logs are normally outputted by the client to a file--analyzing them is allowed.
The purpose of the logserver is to debug EVE, not to serve as an API for abuse. No, the linked program is not allowed, clearly.
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 10:01:00 -
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Someone made the point, but id like to say it myself...
Since when did an ISD mod have the..ability to say whats legit and not?
IF you did..youd be called a GM or Dev..but you arent.
Saying "It doesnt look like it follows the EULA, let me grab a GM/Dev who knows more about this" would have been the right answer.
Oh noes my post will probably be edited for directly challenging an ISD person, oh god no.
-.-. Try NOT to overstep your bounds ISD. K?
Back to the topic.
Depending on how the program, if there is such one, works..ehh maybe.
Editing/Touching what data is sent to the server from the client=bad
Viewing whats coming back? Ehhh debateable. So is the whole fact that once its on my machine, its my information despite what any TOS says about it because they cant access it without my permission or theres privacy issues to be had.
Now then..Viewing said data coming TO you..and doing something that doesnt affect the data stream...no reason why it should be illegal.
Now does that mean its ethical? Heck no. But theres alot of differences from legal and ethical.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.30 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Imager
Does ISD have the authority to claim things are allowed or not allowed? Aren't you just forum moderators?
Even a fool has the authority to know the basics of what is and isn't allowed. Alas you fall below this category.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.30 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vactet
Someone made the point, but id like to say it myself...
Since when did an ISD mod have the..ability to say whats legit and not?
Even I have the ability to say whats legit and whats not. Its common sense, its solely a matter of reading the EULA and activating your brain.
Originally by: Vactet
So is the whole fact that once its on my machine, its my information despite what any TOS says about it because they cant access it without my permission or theres privacy issues to be had.
Now then..Viewing said data coming TO you..and doing something that doesnt affect the data stream...no reason why it should be illegal.
Now does that mean its ethical? Heck no. But theres alot of differences from legal and ethical.
Spying on the datastream = against the EULA, been stated before. This program doesn't do that though.
Using the logserver as an API to spy on the client almost certainly is against the EULA.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:09:00 -
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Dude... ImageShack? 
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Edgars Sults
LFC
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:24:00 -
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I once tried to make a program that makes a sound or some such when I'm warpscrambled. The idea was to constantly search logfiles for the message. But then I found out that logfiles aren't written in real-time.
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Asimov Machinow
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:30:00 -
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I hope that as the result of this CCP sees that there's use for this type of sound indicator in addition to the visual indicator and include it in future built in. That or remove the Local and such data from the logserver. 
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech
It's not borderline at all, it's definitely a violation of the EULA.
#2 You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
To be fair that could also indicate TS or Vent, certainly changed the way I played the game, hell, even solitare for those long empire auto pilots...
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Grash Freedom
Gallente
MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 30/05/2007 11:40:49
Originally by: Deckard Bishop
Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it?
i do not see the reason why this cannot be legal
if it is real, the client is not modified by any means, it is just data export of some sort using CCP tools
if that is not legal, then you should make an easy claim that Character manager/Emon(or however is called) even the new sov map are not legal as well
Is OCR against EULA as well? with a third party program you use ingame data out of game
Teamspeak? its a third party program giving an advantage over other players that do not have TS/vent, according to EULA boom, third party gives advantage= illegal
Not to mention MSN, it seems that peeps have special friends that gives them first class petition que on the very top of the list, with devs/gms taking actions within minutes while my petitions have to wait 2-3 or even 4 weeks before i get an answer
Make The above illegal and i am in for whatever you say
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Rabbitual Ferrier
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lysit Kaune
Originally by: mechtech
It's not borderline at all, it's definitely a violation of the EULA.
#2 You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
To be fair that could also indicate TS or Vent, certainly changed the way I played the game, hell, even solitare for those long empire auto pilots...
Vent certainly doesn't interact with Eve in anyway, but runs as a seperate application. You can use it with or without Eve (theres no direct relation between the two). Now technically it may modify how the game is being played by that player, but not how the game is being play per se as the game and players (as general concepts) interaction with that game.
However with the Introduction of EveSpeak this may well be a case of changing the game (ie by using Vent you are preventing the prolifieration of an approved licenced tool by CCP, and that could constitute a potential Violation).
Its also worth noting that an EULA Violation only exists when invoked either by Client or Corporation (if both partys accept vent, then vent is not a violation - its a civil law thing - Civil law is not proactive in pursuit, but reactive in case of claims).
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Edgars Sults
I once tried to make a program that makes a sound or some such when I'm warpscrambled. The idea was to constantly search logfiles for the message. But then I found out that logfiles aren't written in real-time.
There already is a sound when you get warp scrambled. An easier route would be to create a new sound file for it. A slightly more obnoxious sound call for it would seem to be in order.
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Microsoft Sam
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.05.30 12:53:00 -
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If this program were to be real then it would prove that the goons are ill fitted to play the game and that they cant watch local, Which is easy.
If not real, then nice fake?
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Grash Freedom
Edited by: Grash Freedom on 30/05/2007 11:40:49
Originally by: Deckard Bishop
Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it?
i do not see the reason why this cannot be legal
if it is real, the client is not modified by any means, it is just data export of some sort using CCP tools
If the program is real, you have misunderstood how it works. It does not work with exported data, rather it hooks into the Log Server part of the client application and captures data passed there.
Originally by: Grash Freedom
if that is not legal, then you should make an easy claim that Character manager/Emon(or however is called) even the new sov map are not legal as well
CCP have allowed users to use the data exports for non-commercail ventures without the need for explicit authorisation. They have even allowed it's commercial use (see the eve maps books).
Originally by: Grash Freedom
Is OCR against EULA as well? with a third party program you use ingame data out of game
Teamspeak? its a third party program giving an advantage over other players that do not have TS/vent, according to EULA boom, third party gives advantage= illegal
Not to mention MSN, it seems that peeps have special friends that gives them first class petition que on the very top of the list, with devs/gms taking actions within minutes while my petitions have to wait 2-3 or even 4 weeks before i get an answer
Make The above illegal and i am in for whatever you say
yeah, whatever 
Cheers,
Arrs
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Xiaodown
Lyran Procurement
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Xiaodown on 30/05/2007 13:27:55
Originally by: mechtech
I'm sick of Goons, especially right after they helped perpetuate this "player allegation" fiasco.
IMO, this isn't the first client side hack they've released to their alliance. Before this they had a standing tracker for local before CCP implemented it into the client.
This would be really ridiculous to go unpunished, and we need to see some bans or something for this cheating, because that's what it is, hacks.
Well, usually I refrain from commenting in threads like this. The politics aren't my business, and Evemon was written by a swarm member origionally, and we all use it, so whatever.
But that's the 2nd time I've had that allegation confirmed. A former goonswarm member in a corp I used to be in said that before local implemented the [-] and [+] to cut down on database calls from everyone right click -> show info-ing, that goonswarm implemented a client-hack that would do it for you and replace the player portrait in local with a symbol indicating friendlies and non-friendlies. All GS members were instructed to use this program. That's definately not ok by the EULA.
Obviously this program, if it exists (and I don't think it would be that hard to create, and that snapshot if real seems to indicate that they don't want non-members knowing about it) is against the terms of the EULA.
People who live in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones (or dramabombs).
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:26:00 -
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I dont understand why this would be illegal, if I were in Eve, as a person, Id modify my ship to beep if someone who wanted to **** my world up popped into local, rather a common sense thing.
Should be an option if it is illegal, something to add in the next patch perhaps.
And yeah, its easy to tell if someone bad is in local with you, however its annoying. A beep would be way faster and userfriendly, though I suppose after the beep youde be looking at the local channel anyway to see who the unfriendlys are, regardless, would be a good feature.
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WredStorm
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ixianus
I dont understand why this would be illegal, if I were in Eve, as a person, Id modify my ship to beep if someone who wanted to **** my world up popped into local, rather a common sense thing.
Should be an option if it is illegal, something to add in the next patch perhaps.
And yeah, its easy to tell if someone bad is in local with you, however its annoying. A beep would be way faster and userfriendly, though I suppose after the beep youde be looking at the local channel anyway to see who the unfriendlys are, regardless, would be a good feature.
It's not a matter of whether it makes sense or not (I think it makes great sense, too), but whether or not CCP builds it into the client or not. Something could make the most sense in the world but if CCP doesn't put it into the client as a feature then using some 3rd party program to fulfill that function is not allowed per the EULA.
Think about macro miners... if I were a real person in the EVE universe and had to mine ore, I'd sure as heck automate the process so that I could take a catnap while my ship automatically blew apart those roids, sucked them into my hold, docked at the local station to unload the ore, then went back to repeat the entire process. In fact, I'd hire fleets of new pod-pilots to go do the same thing for me. But that isn't what CCP wants folks doing (whether it makes sense in real life that you would or not) and thus enabling that exact scenario using any sort of macro program is against the EULA.
Macro program or buzzing bee, both interact with the client in unintended ways that are barred by the EULA and thus are "wrong" to do.
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coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Holt on 30/05/2007 14:11:26
this is just another pathetic attempt at goons causing trouble. ISD spent all day clearing your spam and he passes judgement on a topic are you are now trying to stir stuff from it? OMGWTFPWN ISD THEY R PRETENDING TUZ BE GM'S OPEN ZE LETTURZ
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RogueWing
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jargoon
That's nothing, you should see our wallhax and aimbot
Those seem to be broke...you may want to get them fixed...
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Mianda Atira
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:21:00 -
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Oh, I am positive the program you see there worked. But exactly for that (and more) reason(s) CCP started encrypting the connection data a few patches ago to put a stop to such things being misused by people.
Not that I would know anything about such things ....
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The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:29:00 -
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Aw, I was getting all interested cos I thought it was called Beer Tracker!
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Eclipse Enterprises
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid
Aw, I was getting all interested cos I thought it was called Beer Tracker!
HORRAY BEER!
and i dont see how they can think thats illegal.
the EULA states you cannot modify the content, as far as i can tell this system (when / if working) simply read the content and gave a warning.
other than reading incoming data all it did was beep.
i have lots of stupid beeping sounds on my computer that i would love to get rid of, but jsut because another program beeps because your program did something dosent mean that it changed what your program was doing.
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Miriyana
Gallente
Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:47:00 -
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Well... interesting to say the least. gg goons.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 16:12:00 -
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This would not be considered illegal, as this is only reading what the client/logserver is already spewing out.
On the other hand, this program is not doing anything that the client isn't already doing via the local chat and standings coloring of the avatars, so why taking the chance of installing something that might risk the security of your computer?
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Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.30 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 30/05/2007 16:35:49
psssst, its not illegal because it doesn't exist. It, like most everything on a goonies, website is something of a joke.
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Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mianda Atira
Oh, I am positive the program you see there worked. But exactly for that (and more) reason(s) CCP started encrypting the connection data a few patches ago to put a stop to such things being misused by people.
Not that I would know anything about such things ....
Data encryption between client and server does nothing to stop a program like this, because it hooks directly into a client function where the data gets passed in unencrypted form.
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Exploited
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: GM Xhagen
This would not be considered illegal, as this is only reading what the client/logserver is already spewing out.
On the other hand, this program is not doing anything that the client isn't already doing via the local chat and standings coloring of the avatars, so why taking the chance of installing something that might risk the security of your computer?
I am little suprised at that answer, the local chat and standings can't notify you if you've got your client minimized but this can. Could it also send a TS message to a channel or a msn message to people, spam a intel channel ingame?
Here comes a few trial account spam from me and i'm gonna setup multiple minimised alarm clients all around my area. never be ambushed again
It's a fine line to be walking imho even if as I've been told this program is actually a fake (for now...)
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Immortalis Silens
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Even I have the ability to say whats legit and whats not. Its common sense, its solely a matter of reading the EULA and activating your brain.
Spying on the datastream = against the EULA, been stated before. This program doesn't do that though.
Using the logserver as an API to spy on the client almost certainly is against the EULA.
Well obviously you failed to activate your brain and you have no common sense there Dark. Please stop trying to sound so smart..you failed.
Originally by: GM Xhagen
This would not be considered illegal, as this is only reading what the client/logserver is already spewing out.
On the other hand, this program is not doing anything that the client isn't already doing via the local chat and standings coloring of the avatars, so why taking the chance of installing something that might risk the security of your computer?
And see..its answers like these, from people who actually know what they are talking about, that cause me not to be all that happy when ISD goes and says whats legit. Not their job.
Now then...good so its not illegal. Hmm.
Now the big question...hey goons...Is it real?
It was just said it wasnt illegal so....how do the rest of us get it? Heh.
Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984.
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we are screwed.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 21:05:00 -
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lol wut?
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: GM Xhagen
This would not be considered illegal, as this is only reading what the client/logserver is already spewing out.
On the other hand, this program is not doing anything that the client isn't already doing via the local chat and standings coloring of the avatars, so why taking the chance of installing something that might risk the security of your computer?
Thank you for clarification. Maybe it will be a good idea to encrypt all content generated by LogServer with CCP's public key. It's stuff for CCP anyway, not that any player should analyze it. It would make much harder to write things like this.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:53:00 -
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I think its time for the goonies to prove to us that its fake, i mean we have picture proof that it exists now its time for them to prove to us that it doesnt. Right? Until that day the goonies are cheating scumbags.
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:06:00 -
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Wouldn't be the first time goons used client side hacks.
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Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: DiuxDium
Wouldn't be the first time goons used client side hacks.
its not a hack if its just reading the log files. however i doubt if the content of local is logged
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: DiuxDium
Wouldn't be the first time goons used client side hacks.
its not a hack if its just reading the log files. however i doubt if the content of local is logged
That's the point--its not logged, you have to use the logserver which isn't intended for that purpose.
The previous goon "hacks" include a hack to show enemies/allies in local before the feature existed and a hack to show the names of ships on their icons.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:16:00 -
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hmz. well i guess i could make something like that even with my sucky java skills..but bad bad goons
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Caldari
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Deckard Bishop
Originally by: Biarch
No idea if it's:
A) Real or Fake
B) Working or Not
C) Used or Not
D) Legal or Not
However if it's legal, and being used, kick their ass.
If it's legal, then it's a nice, clever tool and well done to whoever made it.
nope its not allowed.... but thats obvious isn't it?
Besides the fact that it's probably made up... It doesn't seem to be in the "MACRO Class" of prohibited items. Rather, it makes an audible warning to hositles, essentially converting the visual warning. (Which, frankly, should be a FEATURE of the game. Just like a radar or sonar contact uses visual and auditory warnings.)
Anyway, if this vapor-ware really existed, and it's not an actual performance macro (which nothing really seems to indicate that it is...) what about "Market Browser?" "Trade Finder?" The "MarketUploader" Software that mes them work? EveMon? ChepeNolon's Agent Pages? The "Agent Finder"?
Because this seems to be much more like those "acceptable" programs. Than, let's say, all those illegal macro miners Macro-Mining ICE in Aydoteaux.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:38:00 -
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I just fired up the logserver and sat in a busy system and watched. There is an entry created every time someone comes into system, now I am not sure what all the crap is for in that entry, but I bet one of the items is that persons standing. It would be a fairly simple task to create a program that watches this and dings when someone who is neg to you comes into system.
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