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Ehranavaar	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:56:00 - [31] the only way i'll ever trust CCP again is if they give me a titan
SPACE BEEZ	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:57:00 - [32] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 30/05/2007 16:24:42 Edited by: DubanFP on 30/05/2007 16:22:31 Most people lost trust in that certain large alliance "Who was PROVEN wrong". Not that I had any trust in them to start. Honestly that alliance has proven time and time again they're the worst thing to happen to EVE, or at least the EVE forums. The accusations were debunked, yet the DoS attack by that alliance remains. CCP are the victims, not the problem. That alliance just can't face that they suck and are trying to blame it on everything/one else. The silent majority of EVE is happy, it's just the handfull of loud obnoxious idiots that are causing the trouble. You need to read this guys, when CCP investigatd themselves about allegations concerning their own misconduct they found themselves to be completely innocent, so obviously the GOONS were just trying to ruin their name and cry because they are losing. Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 30/05/2007 16:24:42 Edited by: DubanFP on 30/05/2007 16:22:31 CCP are the victims This is true. Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 30/05/2007 16:24:42 Edited by: DubanFP on 30/05/2007 16:22:31 CCP are the victims I need to quote it again cause its so right.
Bon Hedus Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. Now you can say that those people should either silence up or leave the game. But instead you could try to rebuild trust and with your dev blogs about the recent events you are doing steps in the right direction I think. A problem and conflict of interest might arise from devs playing their own game on sides of the large war conflicts. As you explained already you deem it necessary that devs need to play the game as they do and you won't change that custom. Maybe you can see the concern at least a part of the playerbase has with devs playing in top ranking positions in large alliances. Maybe you can see the worries that devs has RL friendships with members of a certain alliance. My suggestion is now: soothe and ease those worries! And the way to do it is not that difficult either. If you have nothing to hide, release data about the players of the devs. Your policy forbids to name the players itself, well, that can be argued about but since CCP decided this way nothing can be done about it. But: please make a list in which alliances how many devs/gm's/ccp employees are playing! Such a list should be really easy to compile and it would be anonymous and no dev char would be revealed this way. Just some numbers! This way everyone can see that the devs are not playing one side in masses, they don't do that, right? You have nothing to hide then! On the other hand, if you don't release such a list because you fear some uproar from the playerbase if you realease it then you shold really think hard about the current conditions. Also: if it is very complicated to compile such a list you should also think very hard, make there is something going on in your staff which you aren't aware of then? If you don't even know yourself such numbers how can you be sure that there isn't such favourism parts of the playerbase are afraid of? So, please, release such a list! (Or if you can't, please at least write why you cannot do that!) You obviously are not speaking for me. Get a grip and read the latest blog. CCP does not need to make a "list" for you or anyone. Take a break and leave the game for a bit if it is getting too much for you. -------------------------------------- Heavy Lag Spike II belonging to EvE Cluster Node #0815 hits your Connection, wrecking your latency to 998ms
Gibbal Slogspit Buffed Rumpuss Zit Dids	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:02:00 - [34] If you dont trust CCP why are you giving them money?
TOTALHELLDEATH	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Gibbal Slogspit If you dont trust CCP why are you giving them money? i think if they dont change anything soon i will dont give them money for vampires online... i already didnt gave them money for eve voice
Imode 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:04:00 - [36] Why don't you go back to your other forums where you can create a comedy goldmine thread about how people like you think you're the 'majority' in eve?
TOTALHELLDEATH	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Imode Why don't you go back to your other forums where you can create a comedy goldmine thread about how people like you think you're the 'majority' in eve? whine whine whine whine
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:09:00 - [38] I approve of the general tone of replys in here. Enough tinfoil, please... CCP still provide the most compelling experience I can pay money for online. No problems here.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:10:00 - [39] The general consensus among the regular people out there is that the game is rigged. Rightly or wrongly, I think if there was a poll "Do you believe CCP rigs the game in favor of certain parties" it would come out %60+ yes. I myself am undecided. I just don't know enough to judge, but I know human nature. Human nature is that ppl in power will tend to be corrupt. On the other hand its also human nature not to want thousands of players to quit in droves, thus depriving CCP of their mortgages and car payments. If I was the President of CCP I sure as hell wouldn't want to lose my Ferrari because some jerkoff back at the office spawned a t2 bpo for one of the factions. On the other hand, have you seen the egos involved? I can't imagine anybody in BoB touching a mining laser. So how do they get their stuff? You think these people rat like you and me? You think they haul trit? Prolly got slave corps doing all that stuff. So what's the future of Eve? Be on the side that eats doomsday? Or be a slave for the winning side? Bleak. It's just bleak.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:10:00 - [40] "t20, like t2 only free!"
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:12:00 - [41] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 30/05/2007 17:13:10 Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! Besides, you are far after your time! This case is closed! And case beaten to death a bilion time! SO GO AWAY! /this thread deserves a lock! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
EHZorg Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Feasd I'm not at the stage where I automatically disbelieve everything CCP say, or where I look for hidden motives and nuances in every post, but I'm certainly maintaining what I like to think of as a healthy scepticism. It's not so much the allegations themselves though, to be honest... any game with a community as blinkered as this one will have those from time to time. It's more the way that the whole debacle has been handled. Now, I'm not going to defend the Goons' actions, but deleting all the threads they tried to post in what is stated to be the official communication channel between the players and the devs seems to have been one of the main inflammatory factors in this whole sorry affair (not even going to into the thinly veiled threat of legal repercussions)... could have been handled a little better, methinks. In short, it's not do much that I've lost trust in CCP because I think they're all colluding with 0.0 Alliances to cheat me out of the level playing field I thought I was on all these years, but because I (personally) don't like the way they are conducting themselves by way of a response. Still here though :) This sums up my feelings very well.
Don Felix	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:15:00 - [43] I think what this guy is misunderstanding is that the latest thing was CCP rigging the events fo the gain of another person. This did not happen. I don't think that a list of dev/gm/ccp should be made. Its THEIR game basically. THEY have the right to play it and THEY have basically invited you to come and play it with them. In all actuality people have no right to argue at them even if they rig things for themselfs. If your not happy about it go make your own game.
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:16:00 - [44] Stop it with the Drama queen bull. Unless they are flying around in invulnerable ships AND shooting at me, then just go away with your propaganda. They can find me in a mission and kill me for all I care, just like anyone else could. Go play another game if you can not handle this one. And like I said before when I here stuff like this I just want to even play more. Just stop over doing it, please, seriously. A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:19:00 - [45] Originally by: EHZorg Originally by: Feasd I'm not at the stage where I automatically disbelieve everything CCP say, or where I look for hidden motives and nuances in every post, but I'm certainly maintaining what I like to think of as a healthy scepticism. It's not so much the allegations themselves though, to be honest... any game with a community as blinkered as this one will have those from time to time. It's more the way that the whole debacle has been handled. Now, I'm not going to defend the Goons' actions, but deleting all the threads they tried to post in what is stated to be the official communication channel between the players and the devs seems to have been one of the main inflammatory factors in this whole sorry affair (not even going to into the thinly veiled threat of legal repercussions)... could have been handled a little better, methinks. In short, it's not do much that I've lost trust in CCP because I think they're all colluding with 0.0 Alliances to cheat me out of the level playing field I thought I was on all these years, but because I (personally) don't like the way they are conducting themselves by way of a response. Still here though :) This sums up my feelings very well. ++ Also, I hear Sanya Weathers/Thomas recently left Mythic, maybe you guys should give her a call? ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:19:00 - [46] I think the OP's idea is harmless, and would go a long way to restore trust. If some players observe blind trust, more power to them. That does not mean we have to adhere to their binary logic. We all like EvE, and if we think something is broken, we want it fixed, we don't want to quit the game. ----
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 30/05/2007 17:13:10 Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! Besides, you are far after your time! This case is closed! And case beaten to death a bilion time! SO GO AWAY! /this thread deserves a lock! Thread winner. warp drive active \| nature vraie
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:24:00 - [48] Edited by: MehTheTrader on 30/05/2007 17:25:28 Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. No it isnt. Can you please explain this a bit more? I am not talking only about the goons. But many old players which played this game long before the goons even knew about Eve. It isnt obvious. I cant think of anyone who has lost trust in CCP over the recent and debunked allegations...Well that of course doesnt include the few thousand people who are told they need to hate CCP by their leaders. so your saying all goons are bad people, and decided to do this. Your just stupid, and talking baseless. Don't troll if you have nothing constructive. Its a fact that bob members talk to devs they know on msn...
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:25:00 - [49] The biggest thing I donÆt like about Eve at the moment is how close some CCP employees seem to be with a small portion of the player base. CCP needs to come up with some method to put distance between those that pay to play and CCP employees. I think Devs should play. I agree that it helps the game. I donÆt want them identified or kicked out of the game. But there needs to be some serious limits on how they can interact with the Eve universe in order to prevent even the appearance of unfair advantage. Otherwise these founded and unfounded accusations of favoritism will only get worse.
Xiaodown Lyran Procurement	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:29:00 - [50] Dear CCP: In order to rebuild trust, do the following: Continue to do whatever you're doing now. Eventually all the people who "don't trust CCP" will realize that it is stupid to give money to someone you "don't trust" and will cancel their subscriptions. They will stop asking you for resolutions and "not trusting" the answers. They will stop whining about how they are getting shafted, and that all they want is a level playing field, but they're afraid they'll never get it because they "can't trust" that CCP isn't helping out the competition. After these people are all gone, the rest of us can get back to playing eve with a much more mature and rational player base. Thank you, ~X -- Lyran procurement is offering trit and mixed-min compression services to 0.0 alliances. Free transport to 0.5+ systems, 1 jump 0.4 sys for 10M. Contact me for details. Minimums apply.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:30:00 - [51] Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 30/05/2007 17:32:39 Originally by: Gnulpie DO YOU THINK A LIST WHERE CCP WRITES DOWN HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE IN WHICH ALLIANCES IS A GOOD THING AND HELP TO INCREASE TRUST IN CCP? I made arguments why I think it is a good idea. It doesn't reveal the identity of chars, it shows (hopefully) that the employees are playing in all alliances, that they are distributed all over eve. It is easy to compile. It improves the talks between CCP and their players. Short answer your idea sucks big time. Long answer is that we don't need any witch hunt that this list will create. Among the players of the corp/alliance they might be in and subsequently among all players who will start hunting the said corps/alliances. Your idea is just another flame bait and a way to start whining a lot more saying boohoo they are there and not here. Get over it for once and play the game. I don't want (and i am sure many too) to know where Dev/GM/ISD/cleaning lady/paper boy of CCP has his character in. I don't care and i am sure that there is no reason for us to know. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:31:00 - [52] This thread = ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... Seriously. Get a brain. Get a life. And if you don't like EVE right now, the door's points that way. Let it hit you on the way out. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:33:00 - [53] Originally by: Drunk Driver I think Devs should play. I agree that it helps the game. I donÆt want them identified or kicked out of the game. But there needs to be some serious limits on how they can interact with the Eve universe in order to prevent even the appearance of unfair advantage. That's contrary to the very idea behind EVE, putting limits on a game which supports your ability to take whatever path you wish. I'd rather they be able to freely experience the game as we experience it, because that way they have a better idea of how the game plays. That will benefit them as people who have to support the game, and us as regular players. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. Wrong... proof or STFU Originally by: Gnulpie please make a list in which alliances how many devs/gm's/ccp employees are playing! And what good will a list do? Any alliance on a side thats winning will get accused the devs/gm's are helping them win and any alliance on a losing side will claim that any devs/gm's that are in their alliance are moles helping out the other side. Kind of a lose/lose thing if you ask me.
Apostrophe Man	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:38:00 - [55] Originally by: MehTheTrader so your saying all goons are bad people, and decided to do this. Your just stupid, and talking baseless. Don't troll if you have nothing constructive. Its a fact that bob members talk to devs they know on msn... APOSTROPHE ACCIDENT! HOMONYM HAZARD! So you're saying all Goons are bad people, and decided to do this. You're just stupid, and talking baseless. You're = contraction of "you are" Your = possessive, indicates ownership. Apostrophe man to the rescue!
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:43:00 - [56] How to restore trust? Have the devs publicly hung. It's the only way we can tell if they're not cheating or not - if they're DEAD! We can all stand around with our pitchfolks and torches and jeer as they CHOKE, and we'll laugh at them for ruining OUR little make-believe spaceship game. Then we'll get some PROPER devs to develop EVE, like those guys from SOE. They've never cheated at their own games before, which is of course the most important quality in a dev! --------- CLICK HERE to see how to keep an idiot busy
Veng3ance Illicit Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:44:00 - [57] I trust CCP completely. And to think that the Devs who built this game BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT are not going to play it, is ridiculous. Now drop the subject FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Drunk Driver I think Devs should play. I agree that it helps the game. I donÆt want them identified or kicked out of the game. But there needs to be some serious limits on how they can interact with the Eve universe in order to prevent even the appearance of unfair advantage. That's contrary to the very idea behind EVE, putting limits on a game which supports your ability to take whatever path you wish. I'd rather they be able to freely experience the game as we experience it, because that way they have a better idea of how the game plays. That will benefit them as people who have to support the game, and us as regular players. Well, then we'll just continue on as before and hope nothing bad happens.
SPACE BEEZ	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:50:00 - [59] Edited by: SPACE BEEZ on 30/05/2007 17:50:03 Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Drunk Driver There needs to be some serious limits on how they can interact with the Eve universe in order to prevent even the appearance of unfair advantage. That's contrary to the very idea behind EVE. Are you ******** edit: whoops got censored, I used a word that meant mentally challenged so I'll just ask if you're really stupid or something. Read what you wrote. Serious question
SPACE BEEZ	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:54:00 - [60] Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 30/05/2007 17:13:10 Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! No hes right Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! No. He's wrong. Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! And enough of this verbal tennis already. I'm not playing verbal tennis, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in you telling him not to speak on behalf of the player base, then you say he is "WRONG" thus speaking on behalf of the player base. If he cant speak for the playerbase and say hes right, you cant speak for the playerbase and say hes wrong.

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