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Thesas Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:55:00 - [61] I would like the answer to one simple question. What is the policy for CCP staff in their interaction with players? Can someone direct me to where this is stated please?
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:56:00 - [62] Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 30/05/2007 17:13:10 Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! No hes right Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! No. He's wrong. Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! And enough of this verbal tennis already. I'm not playing verbal tennis, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in you telling him not to speak on behalf of the player base, then you say he is "WRONG" thus speaking on behalf of the player base. If he cant speak for the playerbase and say hes right, you cant speak for the playerbase and say hes wrong. Yes I can. He's wrong by saying that it's obvious what the majority of the playerbase is thinking right now. It's not ovbious, and - given the nature of the game, these forums and their communities - never will be. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
SPACE BEEZ	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:59:00 - [63] Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 30/05/2007 17:13:10 Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! No hes right Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! No. He's wrong. Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! And enough of this verbal tennis already. I'm not playing verbal tennis, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in you telling him not to speak on behalf of the player base, then you say he is "WRONG" thus speaking on behalf of the player base. If he cant speak for the playerbase and say hes right, you cant speak for the playerbase and say hes wrong. Yes I can. He's wrong by saying that it's obvious what the majority of the playerbase is thinking right now. It's not ovbious, and - given the nature of the game, these forums and their communities - never will be. You're stupid these forums are stupid CCP is stupid eve is stupid BoB is stupid Goons are stupid Jita is stupid.
Airemon	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:03:00 - [64] This whole affair is unpopular and we need to either move on or dwell. Quit if thats what you feel you need to do. But for petes sake let it go.
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:07:00 - [65] Edited by: The Pointless on 30/05/2007 18:06:25 Originally by: SPACE BEEZ You're stupid Disagree Originally by: SPACE BEEZ these forums are stupid Semi-agree. There are intelligent peeps still here. You just don't happen to be one of them. Originally by: SPACE BEEZ CCP is stupid Don't think so. Originally by: SPACE BEEZ eve is stupid Wrong. Originally by: SPACE BEEZ BoB is stupid Can't honestly agree nor disagree. Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Goons are stupid I agree now. Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Jita is stupid. The people who enter that system are equally stupid. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:09:00 - [66] Originally by: Thesas I would like the answer to one simple question. What is the policy for CCP staff in their interaction with players? Can someone direct me to where this is stated please? I would like to see that also. They may already have something in place.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:10:00 - [67] Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 30/05/2007 17:13:10 Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! No hes right Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! No. He's wrong. Please dont EVER try to speak on the behalf of the playerbase again! And enough of this verbal tennis already. I'm not playing verbal tennis, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in you telling him not to speak on behalf of the player base, then you say he is "WRONG" thus speaking on behalf of the player base. If he cant speak for the playerbase and say hes right, you cant speak for the playerbase and say hes wrong. Yes I can. He's wrong by saying that it's obvious what the majority of the playerbase is thinking right now. It's not ovbious, and - given the nature of the game, these forums and their communities - never will be. You're stupid these forums are stupid CCP is stupid eve is stupid BoB is stupid Goons are stupid Jita is stupid. Go quote tree, go.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:10:00 - [68] Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Edited by: SPACE BEEZ on 30/05/2007 17:50:03 Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Drunk Driver There needs to be some serious limits on how they can interact with the Eve universe in order to prevent even the appearance of unfair advantage. That's contrary to the very idea behind EVE. Are you ******** edit: whoops got censored, I used a word that meant mentally challenged so I'll just ask if you're really stupid or something. Read what you wrote. Serious question Not funny. No content. Not helpfull. Troll.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:13:00 - [69] Originally by: SPACE BEEZ Edited by: SPACE BEEZ on 30/05/2007 17:50:03 Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Drunk Driver There needs to be some serious limits on how they can interact with the Eve universe in order to prevent even the appearance of unfair advantage. That's contrary to the very idea behind EVE putting limits on a game which supports your ability to take whatever path you wish. I'd rather they be able to freely experience the game as we experience it, because that way they have a better idea of how the game plays. Are you ******** edit: whoops got censored, I used a word that meant mentally challenged so I'll just ask if you're really stupid or something. Read what you wrote. Serious question I'd give a serious answer, but your serious question was to a fairly pared-down version of my original post. I've added the rest above, perhaps you could be so good to point out what part(s) of my post drove you to ask that of me, and why you chose to ignore the rest of what I said? warp drive active \| nature vraie
Cailais Amarr VITOC The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.30 19:32:00 - [70] Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. Even if that were true (which I doubt) in the absence of CCP (the games creators and the business that runs the servers), who would you suggest 'governs Eve'? The UN? If (and its a big 'if') CCP wanted to cheat at its own game, then who are we to argue otherwise? If we don't like their policies, don't trust them with our money we can leave. Nobody, at any point, forces anyone to play. C. - sig designer - eve mail
suza Prison Break Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.05.30 19:34:00 - [71] Quote: This whole affair is unpopular and we need to either move on or dwell. Quit if thats what you feel you need to do. Confused But for petes sake let it go I would love for that to be possible. Sadly CCP by taking legal action against members of the player base and not letting the whole thing die a death have stopped that from happening. They will now only paint themselves as corporate bullies with something to hide, regardless to the truth. Ofcourse there are GM's/Devs who have broken the rules. It happens in every company on the planet, you know, those sneeky private calls at work, the can of oil for your car etc. CCP have to accept this and as the Internal Affaires grows in experience (it is only 6 months old) it will become more experienced in dealing with such situations. Despite accepting that most of what has been accused as true, will I stop playing eve, no. Why should I? Its a game that I have invested nearly 3 years of time and effort and one I enjoy. I will continue to do my own thing with people I like and hope that in time CCP will get their own house into order. - Fly Hard, Fly fast for tomorrow is another day for Killing!
Cadela Fria Amarr The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.30 19:50:00 - [72] Originally by: suza I would love for that to be possible. Sadly CCP by taking legal action against members of the player base and not letting the whole thing die a death have stopped that from happening. They will now only paint themselves as corporate bullies with something to hide, regardless to the truth. Tbh, Goonfleet are getting whats coming to them - WE (the players) are the ones who have been bullies and commandeering CCP around. I say it's about time that CCP bites back! RAWR! Originally by: suza Ofcourse there are GM's/Devs who have broken the rules. It happens in every company on the planet, you know, those sneeky private calls at work, the can of oil for your car etc. Yeah and somehow we players decide to paint the entire company of CCP a bunch of no-good buttbuddies of the strongest players in EVE who are all rigging the game. Pffft! We deserve no better then this, period. Originally by: suza CCP have to accept this and as the Internal Affaires grows in experience (it is only 6 months old) it will become more experienced in dealing with such situations. Everything takes time Originally by: suza Despite accepting that most of what has been accused as true, will I stop playing eve, no. Why should I? Its a game that I have invested nearly 3 years of time and effort and one I enjoy. I will continue to do my own thing with people I like and hope that in time CCP will get their own house into order. Define "most" in percentages please, cause afaik, barely 30% of what CCP has been accused of is true. Of course CCP will get things straightened out, ya'll are treating them like they have no common sense and/or maturity. Get a grip, of course they have those things, so stop assuming they can't think these thoughts themselves. Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Cailais Amarr VITOC The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.30 19:51:00 - [73] Quote: I would love for that to be possible. Sadly CCP by taking legal action against members of the player base and not letting the whole thing die a death have stopped that from happening. And where does it state precisely that CCP are definitely going to take legal action? C. - sig designer - eve mail
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.30 21:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Roshan longshot What I dont trust, is a bunch of jerks who dont know how to play so they yell out "Dev/GM Exploits!" So you got your arse handed to you, live with it. Dont accuse exploits because of it. its the easy way out ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
suza Prison Break Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.05.30 21:50:00 - [75] Quote: And where does it state precisely that CCP are definitely going to take legal action? Me link to places, naa I'm not going to get gagged, but read around. Quote: I say it's about time that CCP bites back! RAWR! Sadly such attitudes does little to help CCP. Taking legal action is cases such as these rarely achieve the outcome that you want. It is really a loose loose situation. The Pr seldom does the company any good and CCP like any company needs good PR to keep new blood coming into the game. Eve cannot survive on the established player base alone. It is also a bit of a knee jerk reaction and a poor one. CCP would do better to weather the storm and not lower themselves by using threats, gagging and bannings. Quote: Yeah and somehow we players decide to paint the entire company of CCP a bunch of no-good buttbuddies of the strongest players in EVE who are all rigging the game. Which is a real shame as there are a lot of dedicated people in CCP who put in hours of work for Eve. But reality is that the whole do get tarnished with the actions of a few. The challenge for CCP is not to simply get those people pushed back into the fold, but to be seen to be doing so, not so easy. Quote: Define "most" in percentages please, cause afaik, barely 30% of what CCP has been accused of is true. The accusations from GOON are really a very small part of the ongoing accusations that have been leveled against some GM / Devs. We go back to The ASCN wars with BoB, back to when BIG had Fountain space (the cap recharger T2 drops) being one of many, to MoO claiming that GM's were acting against them etc. If even as little as 30% was true, well that counts for a large amount over time. However that still is irrelevant as it really is in the dead and gone past, only how things go from here will count. Quote: Of course CCP will get things straightened out, ya'll are treating them like they have no common sense and/or maturity. Get a grip, of course they have those things, so stop assuming they can't think these thoughts themselves. Their history for resolving such things are not really that good. An example is that of whoever the dev was who was found guilty of spawning t2 prints for the corp they were in. An example should have been made and all of the prints destroyed. A slap on the wrist and the prints remaining ingame was not really an effective deterrant against others is it? I am not into flaming CCP, much too old for that, however burrying heads in the sand and shouting that nothing is wrong does not help either. At present people are being pushed into one side or the other, I personally would rather look to the middle ground. Lastly sorry I have not putting where the quotes come from, I cannot work out how to do that - Fly Hard, Fly fast for tomorrow is another day for Killing!
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.05.30 21:55:00 - [76] Goons have gone from being a comedy force in eve, to something approaching a respectable alliance, to the pariahs of eve mighty fast. I can't even begin to guess what their next little concoction will be to 'shock' the Eve community. The sooner they leave us the better.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.30 21:59:00 - [77] Originally by: Kaar I cant think of anyone who has lost trust in CCP over the recent and debunked allegations...Well that of course doesnt include the few thousand people who are told they need to hate CCP by their leaders. qft They're sheep. As much as they think otherwise. Anyone who's buying this campaign is a tool. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:05:00 - [78] suza are you some sort of goonswarm alt ? CCP should definitely not be submissive in any scenario where a bunch of immature players grief their game your idea for ccp to "weather the storm" is stupid and your way of backing down from aggression is the reason passive agressive strategies work - weak people like you back down when they have the upper hand dont think for one moment anyone with any sense would agree with your stupid idea that a company like CCP should allow such blatant disrespect from a bunch of idiots your thoughts are not shared by anyone and your ideas are what causes lost wars - lost companies - and lost lives as history shows us ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
JoCool Caldari MASS	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:06:00 - [79] Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE Not really. Honest question, you cannot be a man who lives east or south of Spain. Noone else is so paranoid. I didn't mean the maple leaf. _______________________________________________________________________ Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool
Lady Branwen Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:09:00 - [80] busy little bob alts today eh
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:11:00 - [81] Originally by: Frug Originally by: Kaar I cant think of anyone who has lost trust in CCP over the recent and debunked allegations...Well that of course doesnt include the few thousand people who are told they need to hate CCP by their leaders. qft They're sheep. As much as they think otherwise. Anyone who's buying this campaign is a tool. QFT. And their next humiliation will be when their 'we're all leaving' threats translate into some awkward shuffling around, then some desperate apps to join other corps and alliances. I don't reckon they even have the balls to stand true to their supposed 'convictions'. Hard to stay true to something that you know was made up in the first place though, eh?
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:18:00 - [82] ROFL. I see goonfleet have just posted an official frantically backpedalling from many of their previous accusations that were spammed time and time again on the forums. It looks like my post above was scarily prophetic.
Angelonico Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:20:00 - [83] Originally by: SiJira suza are you some sort of goonswarm alt ? CCP should definitely not be submissive in any scenario where a bunch of immature players grief their game your idea for ccp to "weather the storm" is stupid and your way of backing down from aggression is the reason passive agressive strategies work - weak people like you back down when they have the upper hand dont think for one moment anyone with any sense would agree with your stupid idea that a company like CCP should allow such blatant disrespect from a bunch of idiots your thoughts are not shared by anyone and your ideas are what causes lost wars - lost companies - and lost lives as history shows us Can you please please stop posting? You're embarrassing yourself.
Angelonico Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:22:00 - [84] Edited by: Angelonico on 30/05/2007 22:21:27 Not worth talking to bob alts.
Supermarket Su Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. Even if that were true (which I doubt) in the absence of CCP (the games creators and the business that runs the servers), who would you suggest 'governs Eve'? The UN? If (and its a big 'if') CCP wanted to cheat at its own game, then who are we to argue otherwise? If we don't like their policies, don't trust them with our money we can leave. Nobody, at any point, forces anyone to play. C. thats all lickety split and groovy bobbie, till the player base tells you to shove it in a dark place en masse, then your funny little comments might start to sting some eh
suza Prison Break Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:49:00 - [86] Quote: your idea for ccp to "weather the storm" is stupid and your way of backing down from aggression is the reason passive agressive strategies work - weak people like you back down when they have the upper hand There is no need or excuse for personal attacks. You dont know me at all, and you have definately not excuse for having such a dig. Seeing this on the basis of strength or weekness only is a poor one. Rising above a stiuation, not allowing yourself to be railroaded into poor desisions is not weekness. Its easier to shout and scream than it is to deal with a situation with a level head. Quote: your thoughts are not shared by anyone and your ideas are what causes lost wars - lost companies - and lost lives as history shows us Where this came from out of what I have said is anyones guess. So me having a differing view to you causes lost lives. Lets get a small grip on reality here. However to simply answer you, wars are won, not by being a bully, nor companies saved or lives either. It is the ability to remain calm, rise above the clamour and to make the right desision. It is the screaming Yarrr that history has proved has lost more lives than it has ever saved. However Sijori to answer your post as a whole, ill thought out arguements filled with personal slights and attacks seldom does you any good. I makes you look immature and small. The ability to debate comes with intelegence, the ability to shout comes from a big mouth and empty head. - Fly Hard, Fly fast for tomorrow is another day for Killing!
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:52:00 - [87] And permitting DoS attacks and the like without responding is even worse, it shows you as a soft touch. Not responding in any way is a bad idea. //Maya
Iorya Dragon coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:00:00 - [88] Edited by: Iorya Dragon on 30/05/2007 23:01:33 Edited by: Iorya Dragon on 30/05/2007 23:00:28 Edited by: Iorya Dragon on 30/05/2007 22:59:33 i realy dont like BOB, but i respect, but i realy dont know why CCP dont bann the idiots from GS, they fuking made image of CCP company **, look on the forums from 4000 on the forums, 10% cant write normaly, a bunch or ... kids, go back to WOW please, u freaking exploiters, that u forgot? ha?...ffs Trust is fine here... I hope u all get bans, and getback play WOW, at least there, we hope you can learn to play it ffs Everybody that doesnt agree with you, is a bob alt, and ** like that, U FAILED AT EVE! ADMIT IT! P.S. To moderators, sorry for the tone, but i am sick of this idiots...I imagine how the devs are lol Admin of EVE RO CENTER, Romanian EVE Community.
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:07:00 - [89] Originally by: DiuxDium I trust CCP just dandy, I don't trust YOU though. So you should build trust with ME, because I am an IMPORTANT person. IMPORTANT PERSON Send me your love. Or just stop posting, either or. Now this is the kind of cynical, twisted answer that I love. Great stuff. Hey CCP!!! I want my new face for these forums. This is one ugly biatch!
Kazamidori Division 9 Golden Leaves Izanagi Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:13:00 - [90] Edited by: Kazamidori on 30/05/2007 23:13:13 From a player's perspective, aside from lot of people calling different factions foul, there are quite a bit of 'other' players who have many friends in different factions both as real-life friends or those they've befriended over the time of their gaming life. When a foul has been played by the developers, player-base tend to trust their friends than what the developer says. It is business after all, right? Now, coming from someone who's old friends ended up on all different sides saying different things on this matter, who would I be the most suspicious? The CCP. Its not because I don't like EVE, but its because we are all customers with a vested interest in enjoying the game. CCP on the otherhand, has vested interest in making a great game(which I do believe they put tremendous effort in) but also in making a lot of money off of it. When unsettling allegations are made, I, the customer gets worried. I get worried even more when CCP address their results in a blunt fashion which can be taken as 'We did nothing wrong so shut your d*mn trap!' A little wording change drastically change the people's outlook on things in a lot of moments. Take for example, in case of that CCP Sharkbait thing; a simple notice from the said employee addressing Darkstar 1 people in the following matter would've saved a lot of hassle(or something in the line). 'Sorry guys, I've been caught up in my other duties that I was not able to reply immediately.' Maybe I come from a different background from majority of the EVE players, but to me, good business shows modesty first when they see an unhappy customer. Seriously, a little bit of modesty helps alot.

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