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Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:35:00 - [1] Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. Now you can say that those people should either silence up or leave the game. But instead you could try to rebuild trust and with your dev blogs about the recent events you are doing steps in the right direction I think. A problem and conflict of interest might arise from devs playing their own game on sides of the large war conflicts. As you explained already you deem it necessary that devs need to play the game as they do and you won't change that custom. Maybe you can see the concern at least a part of the playerbase has with devs playing in top ranking positions in large alliances. Maybe you can see the worries that devs has RL friendships with members of a certain alliance. My suggestion is now: soothe and ease those worries! And the way to do it is not that difficult either. If you have nothing to hide, release data about the players of the devs. Your policy forbids to name the players itself, well, that can be argued about but since CCP decided this way nothing can be done about it. But: please make a list in which alliances how many devs/gm's/ccp employees are playing! Such a list should be really easy to compile and it would be anonymous and no dev char would be revealed this way. Just some numbers! This way everyone can see that the devs are not playing one side in masses, they don't do that, right? You have nothing to hide then! On the other hand, if you don't release such a list because you fear some uproar from the playerbase if you realease it then you shold really think hard about the current conditions. Also: if it is very complicated to compile such a list you should also think very hard, make there is something going on in your staff which you aren't aware of then? If you don't even know yourself such numbers how can you be sure that there isn't such favourism parts of the playerbase are afraid of? So, please, release such a list! (Or if you can't, please at least write why you cannot do that!)
Agent Li DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:52:00 - [2] Not this again... ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. No it isnt. --- ---
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:53:00 - [4] I trust CCP just dandy, I don't trust YOU though. So you should build trust with ME, because I am an IMPORTANT person. IMPORTANT PERSON Send me your love. Or just stop posting, either or. ------------- [En] - So....I think the devs don't like me.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:55:00 - [5] What I dont trust, is a bunch of jerks who dont know how to play so they yell out "Dev/GM Exploits!" So you got your arse handed to you, live with it. Dont accuse exploits because of it. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. No it isnt. Can you please explain this a bit more? I am not talking only about the goons. But many old players which played this game long before the goons even knew about Eve. Listen around, look around. Then you will see that I am right. If you don't care then why do you post? If you have nothing constuctive to say, don't post at all. Maybe you want to play an Eve with 10k people only online and on old hardware and no new content. Because CCP won't be able to buy new hardware or hire new people for Eve if it loses lots of players. But I want to play a better Eve and I made suggestions how CCP can improve the situation they are in now. Where are your suggestions? Let all the people go and the more are going the better? Yes, sure... And do you have anything to say against my suggestion? Is it wrong? Why is it wrong?
Azirapheal Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:02:00 - [7] - Click here - to waste more of my time Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fl
Professional Troll	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. Now you can say that those people should either silence up or leave the game. ~3-5K people out of a playerbase of ~100-130K isn't that many. Yes, I know that it would be in the realm of 10K and 180K going by accounts, but, since most of the "I quit" posts claim to have multiple accounts I'm assuming that multiple accounts is more common ammong the people who "lost trust" with CCP than the rest of the playerbase. Originally by: Azirapheal - Click here - to waste more of my time You made your link wrong. Your toys suck! \|T\|R\|O\|L\|L\|I\|N\|G\| My anti-drug. Because CCP won't let me be an attention *** any more and I don't want to become a *** head .
Indigo Johnson	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Kieron If you feel we [CCP] as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests. Enough said.
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:15:00 - [10] bad idea... they should just get the control over it as any other mmo have. ___________________________________________ Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. No it isnt. Can you please explain this a bit more? I am not talking only about the goons. But many old players which played this game long before the goons even knew about Eve. It isnt obvious. I cant think of anyone who has lost trust in CCP over the recent and debunked allegations...Well that of course doesnt include the few thousand people who are told they need to hate CCP by their leaders. --- ---
Mal Plox	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:17:00 - [12] CCP just needs to lock and remove threads faster... --- And no, Internet isn't broken! Well, it is... but not in the way you think of it.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:23:00 - [13] Edited by: DubanFP on 30/05/2007 16:24:42 Edited by: DubanFP on 30/05/2007 16:22:31 Most people lost trust in that certain large alliance "Who was PROVEN wrong". Not that I had any trust in them to start. Honestly that alliance has proven time and time again they're the worst thing to happen to EVE, or at least the EVE forums. The accusations were debunked, yet the DoS attack by that alliance remains. CCP are the victims, not the problem. That alliance just can't face that they suck and are trying to blame it on everything/one else. The silent majority of EVE is happy, it's just the handfull of loud obnoxious idiots that are causing the trouble. ____________ DubanFP > where ever there is a player that's getting too rich, wherever there's an industrial with too much loot, wherever there is a noob with too much smack we'll be there...
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:23:00 - [14] I have complete trust in CCP, regardless of what one individual did (who shall remain nameless so not to get this thread locked prematurely), you cannot hold the company as a whole responsible. If you have proof that a "large part of the playerbase" is unhappy, you and this "large part of the playerbase" (aka you.) can unsubscribe and stick it to the man. Other players are the real problem with EVE, giving people free reign and anarchy ensues.
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:29:00 - [15] Trust is fine here as well, thanks for asking. Kthxbye.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:31:00 - [16] Why can't anyone discuss the suggestion I made? Why has everyone to discuss something else?? Now for the lazy reader who maybe didn't read until the end of my post: DO YOU THINK A LIST WHERE CCP WRITES DOWN HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE IN WHICH ALLIANCES IS A GOOD THING AND HELP TO INCREASE TRUST IN CCP? I made arguments why I think it is a good idea. It doesn't reveal the identity of chars, it shows (hopefully) that the employees are playing in all alliances, that they are distributed all over eve. It is easy to compile. It improves the talks between CCP and their players. Now if you think it is a bad idea, just say why so. I can only see benefits and that is why I suggested it.
Feasd Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Kaar It isnt obvious. I cant think of anyone who has lost trust in CCP over the recent and debunked allegations...Well that of course doesnt include the few thousand people who are told they need to hate CCP by their leaders. I have, and I'm a freelancing type who doesn't even have a recognised leader. I'm not at the stage where I automatically disbelieve everything CCP say, or where I look for hidden motives and nuances in every post, but I'm certainly maintaining what I like to think of as a healthy scepticism. It's not so much the allegations themselves though, to be honest... any game with a community as blinkered as this one will have those from time to time. It's more the way that the whole debacle has been handled. Now, I'm not going to defend the Goons' actions, but deleting all the threads they tried to post in what is stated to be the official communication channel between the players and the devs seems to have been one of the main inflammatory factors in this whole sorry affair (not even going to into the thinly veiled threat of legal repercussions)... could have been handled a little better, methinks. In short, it's not do much that I've lost trust in CCP because I think they're all colluding with 0.0 Alliances to cheat me out of the level playing field I thought I was on all these years, but because I (personally) don't like the way they are conducting themselves by way of a response. Still here though :)
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. Now you can say that those people should either silence up or leave the game. But instead you could try to rebuild trust and with your dev blogs about the recent events you are doing steps in the right direction I think. A problem and conflict of interest might arise from devs playing their own game on sides of the large war conflicts. As you explained already you deem it necessary that devs need to play the game as they do and you won't change that custom. Maybe you can see the concern at least a part of the playerbase has with devs playing in top ranking positions in large alliances. Maybe you can see the worries that devs has RL friendships with members of a certain alliance. My suggestion is now: soothe and ease those worries! And the way to do it is not that difficult either. If you have nothing to hide, release data about the players of the devs. Your policy forbids to name the players itself, well, that can be argued about but since CCP decided this way nothing can be done about it. But: please make a list in which alliances how many devs/gm's/ccp employees are playing! Such a list should be really easy to compile and it would be anonymous and no dev char would be revealed this way. Just some numbers! This way everyone can see that the devs are not playing one side in masses, they don't do that, right? You have nothing to hide then! On the other hand, if you don't release such a list because you fear some uproar from the playerbase if you realease it then you shold really think hard about the current conditions. Also: if it is very complicated to compile such a list you should also think very hard, make there is something going on in your staff which you aren't aware of then? If you don't even know yourself such numbers how can you be sure that there isn't such favourism parts of the playerbase are afraid of? So, please, release such a list! (Or if you can't, please at least write why you cannot do that!) I cant see that a list would solve your problem.... You obviuse dont trust CCP, why do you pay to play the game then ? Dev's and GM's has migrated around the EVE Galaxy since day one, it is CCP's game after all. A list would not solve anything for you, If you look at the current dev's who's ingame charecters got debunked, you would see they where in a wide variety of corps and alliances around EVE. A human mistake was done, and those of you who dont know how to play this game, cries exploit, cheating and whatever, grow up deal with it and stop posting drivel, or leave the game and save your money. Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Kaylana Syi The Nest	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:34:00 - [19] Actually, this espisode of stupidity has strengthened my trust in CCP and at the same time has sewn a seed of trust with BoB. Not exactly the result I think they wanted. Team Minmatar
TOTALHELLDEATH	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. Now you can say that those people should either silence up or leave the game. But instead you could try to rebuild trust and with your dev blogs about the recent events you are doing steps in the right direction I think. A problem and conflict of interest might arise from devs playing their own game on sides of the large war conflicts. As you explained already you deem it necessary that devs need to play the game as they do and you won't change that custom. Maybe you can see the concern at least a part of the playerbase has with devs playing in top ranking positions in large alliances. Maybe you can see the worries that devs has RL friendships with members of a certain alliance. My suggestion is now: soothe and ease those worries! And the way to do it is not that difficult either. If you have nothing to hide, release data about the players of the devs. Your policy forbids to name the players itself, well, that can be argued about but since CCP decided this way nothing can be done about it. But: please make a list in which alliances how many devs/gm's/ccp employees are playing! Such a list should be really easy to compile and it would be anonymous and no dev char would be revealed this way. Just some numbers! This way everyone can see that the devs are not playing one side in masses, they don't do that, right? You have nothing to hide then! On the other hand, if you don't release such a list because you fear some uproar from the playerbase if you realease it then you shold really think hard about the current conditions. Also: if it is very complicated to compile such a list you should also think very hard, make there is something going on in your staff which you aren't aware of then? If you don't even know yourself such numbers how can you be sure that there isn't such favourism parts of the playerbase are afraid of? So, please, release such a list! (Or if you can't, please at least write why you cannot do that!) 100% agree publish a list of all GM/ISD/DEV and Admin chars, than rename them take them out of corps and alliances where they can take influence on the political map and important events. They cna play their game and we will trust CCP again
SPACE BEEZ	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Other players are the real problem with EVE, giving people free reign and anarchy ensues. You're right, this game wouldnt be any fun if we could do what we want. Players are the problem with eve, if you take out the players and just have NPC's, CCP, and BoB it would be a lot better imo. When people start doing what they want to they screw up this game and its a good thing the devs are here to keep them in line.
Peter Armstrong Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:38:00 - [22] I trust CCP all the time and i had no problem at all. I been playing this for 3 years and i love it and i think CCP doing great! CCP 4tw ------------------------------------ It's all part of the Experiance! "IAC: Our wrecks will blot out the sun. BUM: Then we will loot in the shade." :)
Leonard Darwin Rosewood Productions	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Gnulpie DO YOU THINK A LIST WHERE CCP WRITES DOWN HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE IN WHICH ALLIANCES IS A GOOD THING AND HELP TO INCREASE TRUST IN CCP? No. There was already an interview after the T20 incident and they stated that staff were evenly distributed between the top alliances - though one would think that the staff in Goons would have alerted CCP to their plan before there was a chance to execute it. I don't buy it, personally, but I still wouldn't care what numbers they posted either. There are three big groups that forever will have a haze of deceit and untrustworthiness around them to many (most?). BoB, CCP, and Goons. No amount of PR by any of these groups will be able to fix their reputation as there will always be those who don't trust them. As I posted in another thread, the very essence of EvE is that of deceit. A double-edged sword, for many.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:47:00 - [24] dont trust? dont pay dont play do trust? stop believing fabricated stories ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Francis Reighn Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:48:00 - [25] If you are paranoid, take your pills and stop saying CCP is bad, Dev's are ebil. Blah blah blah stop posting here, stop playin EvE and go back to WoW.
SPACE BEEZ	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Leonard Darwin Originally by: Gnulpie DO YOU THINK A LIST WHERE CCP WRITES DOWN HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE IN WHICH ALLIANCES IS A GOOD THING AND HELP TO INCREASE TRUST IN CCP? No. There was already an interview after the T20 incident and they stated that staff were evenly distributed between the top alliances - though one would think that the staff in Goons would have alerted CCP to their plan before there was a chance to execute it. I don't buy it, personally, but I still wouldn't care what numbers they posted either. Dude no way man didnt you see the dev blog about the investigation? CCP are totally fair and they are not biased towards any alliance all allegations were proven false.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. No it isnt. QFT. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. No it isnt. Im with Kaar. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
SPACE BEEZ	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Gnulpie Dear CCP, it is quite obvious that a large part of the playerbase lacks trust in the neutrality and fairness of parts of CCP to govern EVE. No it isnt. Im with Kaar. I'm with Joshue Foiritain and Kaar also on this one.
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Gnulpie Why can't anyone discuss the suggestion I made? Why has everyone to discuss something else?? Now for the lazy reader who maybe didn't read until the end of my post: DO YOU THINK A LIST WHERE CCP WRITES DOWN HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE IN WHICH ALLIANCES IS A GOOD THING AND HELP TO INCREASE TRUST IN CCP? I made arguments why I think it is a good idea. It doesn't reveal the identity of chars, it shows (hopefully) that the employees are playing in all alliances, that they are distributed all over eve. It is easy to compile. It improves the talks between CCP and their players. Now if you think it is a bad idea, just say why so. I can only see benefits and that is why I suggested it. 1) The general consensus seems to not care what you wrote 2) Your idea isn't very smart 3) No one cares what you have to say. These 3 points, when placed together. Make a thread where people simply read the thread tittle and say "Ohh god, another one". Then they read the first sentence where you claim to know what we think, and thus their posts will in essence be "Go away" and "no". Glad I could answer that. ------------- [En] - So....I think the devs don't like me.

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