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Deathwing Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:11:00 - [31] Originally by: Kraken Sra'vik Edited by: Kraken Sra''vik on 31/05/2007 06:06:42 Edited by: Kraken Sra''vik on 31/05/2007 06:06:03 Originally by: Deathwing Can CCP and BoB Idk, you tell us 1 post edited twice...and thats what you came up with......right to answer your question....idk either...none of them are on msn atm but when they do log on i'll ask them k? wait lemme check my yahoo messenger.....or icq...or facebook <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Deathwing Originally by: Marcus Druallis Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 31/05/2007 05:43:45 Originally by: Deathwing fugazii how can you at the start of your post go on about how you are trying to lead a civil discussion and imply that I am a mean man by bringing in "personal atacks and flames", and then finish your post with a personal attack? Clearly your record player is skipping all over the place and you dont know whats happening. Secondly, dont for one second try to back track by saying you were not implying that BoB were the only ones doing it. If other alliances were doing it you would have brought them up as well. Further more, where is this "it seems fishy the day that the alliance that your currently sieging gets the capability to do it back it becomes illegal" jargen come from? Last I checked the D2 Titan was killed in Fountain or something, which there are plenty of BoB Friendly pos's in and is a hop skip and a jump away from Delve which is loaded with BoB pos's. If your going to try and argue a point with me sir, make sure you are reading the same page of the book as the rest of the class To be fair you are kind of putting words in peoples mouths, AND you are agressively trying to argue a point that the OP was not trying to make. OP was commenting on CCP's lack of decisiveness. The "kind of fishy" deal was how it was illegal for his Alliance to do it, but then later it was legal for you. THEN, it was conveniently made officially illegal after you had done it. Just pointing this out, as you said your English isn't the best, you might not be reading this right. Again I refer to the example of....this was not an exploit on monday.....legal on tuesday....and then an exploit again on wednesday the changes in GM policy towards "POS Bowling" was over the course of several months. Do you understand the point I am trying to put accross to you? Something happened to the OP several months ago, shortly after that incident occured the Senior GM's got together and probably decided that there is no way they can effetivly police it so they said it wasnt illegal. For a long time since then it wasnt illegal, only now after many many complaints about it, the Senior GM's probably got together again and for the sake of trying to appease the masses, made it illegal again. Then the misunderstanding is my fault. I completely read over "several months ago". I thought this happened earlier today/yesterday. -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Kraken Sra'vik	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Deathwing Originally by: Kraken Sra'vik Edited by: Kraken Sra''vik on 31/05/2007 06:06:42 Edited by: Kraken Sra''vik on 31/05/2007 06:06:03 Originally by: Deathwing Can CCP and BoB Idk, you tell us 1 post edited twice...and thats what you came up with......right to answer your question....idk either...none of them are on msn atm but when they do log on i'll ask them k? wait lemme check my yahoo messenger.....or icq...or facebook Don't forget Myspace now
Kagurazaka Asuna Caldari Gears of Ore	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:25:00 - [34] This is particularly stupid because when a GM is in system, people are going to stop. Particularly because they can't seem to not announce that they're there to watch for POS Bowling as soon as they enter local. Yes, I've seen them do that before in C3-. "Hello all I'm here to watch for exploiting" Well of course no one's going to do it anymore. So POS bowling might as well not be an exploit. Also Deathwing your posts are awful and do nothing. If the news was posted 2 hours later, I highly doubt the decision had not been made at the time of your bowling. Decisions like this do not formed on the spur of the moment. This GM in particular apparently just didn't know what was going on or had not yet been informed. I highly urge the op to attempt to escalate it although it may now be too late.
Third Down Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Dark Shikari Well, obviously, after that, BoB figured they could start doing it again. But they didn't start it, nor did they get it declared legal either. But they did do it after being told to stop? So BoB's sole excuse is "BUT SIR, HE DID IT TOO"? Not surprised tbh.
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:04:00 - [36] It should have just remained legal. I hate it when CCP gives in to whiners. There's already a "save pos bowling thread" in general. --- Eve Comedy Gallery.
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn logoffski Please stop using racially offensive terminology.
Dirk Pitt Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:19:00 - [38] Can't you knock the ships out when you aren't even trying?
Jack Cannon The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:00:00 - [39] Please re-read the OP for all those who have let this thread get off topic. 1. If I had a super cap and was told pos bowling was legit I'd be out there doing it too. It's rather brilliant if you ask me. 2. We were however told in the past that it was an exploit and given official warnings. 3. When bob did it it was right after dt just hours before the official announcement. If this doesn't fall under a grace period I don't know what does. 4. Bob didn't start it and no one has said they do it any more than anyone else. Like I said we've done it too. We were warned then I have no doubt we'd be warned if we did it again the other day. 5. We are not whining, we never posted about pos bowling being an exploit. We never asked for CCP to take any action on it. Never the less bob were bored and were looking for anything and everything to bump just hours before the announcement. Did they know ahead of time? I don't know and I don't want to know. I really don't care. It doesn't change the facts one bit. I do think CCP should be clear on what is and isn't exploits upfront and right away and not decide to make something an exploit for me and not for someone else. 6. This is not an anti-bob flame thread... down doggies, your spin doctors don't have to work overtime here. This is a CCP don't be indecisive children when responding to petitions. If it was legitimate then we should have been able to do this for months. Our understanding is that it was an exploit and we might get banned doing it. By no means do I expect them to ban anyone. A simple admission that their policy was ****ed would suffice. "Until Morale Improves the petitions will continue" Jack Cannon CEO 5 Amigos LLC
Sabahl Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:10:00 - [40] To be honest, it seems that you've just experienced a standard "GM's right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing" situation. I too believe that CCP need to be a tad more specific in their definition of what is an exploit and what isn't, but the issue is that if they start shouting that certain things are broken and so should not be done it then lights up the particular exploit for all to see and before you know it, 4000 monkeys are trying it out for themselves. Bit of a lose-lose situation for CCP, but they should at least have their internal communications working well enough that all their GMs are on the same page, IMO. Oh, well, see you when the next "exploit" is uncovered.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:21:00 - [41] All i wanna know is why its been made an exploit now. For months its been all "Its within game mechs bla bla its fair enuf". Whats with the sudden u-turn? ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:32:00 - [42] Originally by: Darko1107 All i wanna know is why its been made an exploit now. For months its been all "Its within game mechs bla bla its fair enuf". Whats with the sudden u-turn? Its because Alliances other than BOB are just about to use their super caps to bounce ships out of POS's. BOB didn't like this and now its been made a exploit....its soooo obvious!
Chowdown Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:32:00 - [43] I'm not particually happy with this classification as an exploit, those that were involved with bumpy bumpy were doing eve a great service. Reducing pos loading lag, lowering the prices of ravens/dominix's all over 0.0, and actively promoting the use of ship maintenance arrays. I do hope for ccps sake that they did not make this ruling in an attempt to decrease the amount of petitions they receive. I would imagine corp thieves are now rejoycing the world over at there new found easy excuse. With regard the inconsistancy it is ridiculous the time it has taken to finally come to the wrong decision on this. The fundamental game mechanics behind bumpy bumpy ensure that it can never be stopped, furthermore it will continue to happen by accident. Does this mean that we can now deam people bumping others off the station an exploit as well? Maybe it is time CCP started looking at the fundamental issues with thier most dubious creation (POS,)rather than adding limitations not supported by the game mechanics to some of their relatively new content. Your signature has been reomved, please email us with a link to your signature for clarification - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Chowdown I'm not particually happy with this classification as an exploit, those that were involved with bumpy bumpy were doing eve a great service. Reducing pos loading lag, lowering the prices of ravens/dominix's all over 0.0, and actively promoting the use of ship maintenance arrays. I do hope for ccps sake that they did not make this ruling in an attempt to decrease the amount of petitions they receive. I would imagine corp thieves are now rejoycing the world over at there new found easy excuse. With regard the inconsistancy it is ridiculous the time it has taken to finally come to the wrong decision on this. The fundamental game mechanics behind bumpy bumpy ensure that it can never be stopped, furthermore it will continue to happen by accident. Does this mean that we can now deam people bumping others off the station an exploit as well? Maybe it is time CCP started looking at the fundamental issues with thier most dubious creation (POS,)rather than adding limitations not supported by the game mechanics to some of their relatively new content. Actually as I understand it in Rev 2, POS shields will act like warpbubbles in terms of stopping people who should not be allowed inside. So the fix is pretty easy I think, the mechanic is ingame already. As for your first comment, pretty pathetic. And inappropriate considering that even people in piloted ships were bounced out, so your 'use the ship maintenance array' comment is silly. I'm glad it happened though, and pretty disgraceful it took so long for CCP to realize this is something they should not have accepted in the first place. Being a bit more alert on stuff like this would be much better in terms of convincing players that CCP doesn't just cater to 'people seeking the extreme edges of allowed gameplay' to put it politely. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Gharthak Gallente The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:42:00 - [45] Originally by: Darko1107 All i wanna know is why its been made an exploit now. For months its been all "Its within game mechs bla bla its fair enuf". Whats with the sudden u-turn? This is more or less what I want to know. I get slapped on the wrist for doing pos bowling because the GM's at the time said its an exploit, someone else turns around does it to me and its suddenly not an exploit until an official press release a few hours later. (and yes it was bob but in general it could have been iron, goons, red, my dogs and 4 iguanas who did it is not of issue). Heck if I wasnt advised it wasnt an exploit prior to press release I would be flying around to a few pos's I know and take home a dread that was floating there for a few weeks...
HordeZla Domination.	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:42:00 - [46] If you have the Pass word its not an exploit simple. I know that BoB has axcess to many pos pass words because well, most other alliances sucks at security. IE do a 500 meter scan wile cloaked at a pos and see how many muppets (hi goons)have the ship named as the password, when you get 3 or 4 ships named bobsuck for example its easy to test in a pod. Question answered lock your thread in shame now.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:54:00 - [47] GM's Inconsistant? SHOCK HORROR - HOLD THE FRONT PAGE Skunk
Chowdown Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Chowdown I'm not particually happy with this classification as an exploit, those that were involved with bumpy bumpy were doing eve a great service. Reducing pos loading lag, lowering the prices of ravens/dominix's all over 0.0, and actively promoting the use of ship maintenance arrays. I do hope for ccps sake that they did not make this ruling in an attempt to decrease the amount of petitions they receive. I would imagine corp thieves are now rejoycing the world over at there new found easy excuse. With regard the inconsistancy it is ridiculous the time it has taken to finally come to the wrong decision on this. The fundamental game mechanics behind bumpy bumpy ensure that it can never be stopped, furthermore it will continue to happen by accident. Does this mean that we can now deam people bumping others off the station an exploit as well? Maybe it is time CCP started looking at the fundamental issues with thier most dubious creation (POS,)rather than adding limitations not supported by the game mechanics to some of their relatively new content. As for your first comment, pretty pathetic. And inappropriate considering that even people in piloted ships were bounced out, so your 'use the ship maintenance array' comment is silly. Quote: Well thats a whole other question, should people have invincibility available to them in 0.0 Your signature has been reomved, please email us with a link to your signature for clarification - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:55:00 - [49] Originally by: HordeZla If you have the Pass word its not an exploit simple. I know that BoB has axcess to many pos pass words because well, most other alliances sucks at security. IE do a 500 meter scan wile cloaked at a pos and see how many muppets (hi goons)have the ship named as the password, when you get 3 or 4 ships named bobsuck for example its easy to test in a pod. Question answered lock your thread in shame now. Right. If the shield would kick you out, it is an exploit. You're not able to enter the POS, and thus you are abusing warp mechanics combined with the current way POS shields work. Password or no password. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Chowdown Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Chowdown I'm not particually happy with this classification as an exploit, those that were involved with bumpy bumpy were doing eve a great service. Reducing pos loading lag, lowering the prices of ravens/dominix's all over 0.0, and actively promoting the use of ship maintenance arrays. I do hope for ccps sake that they did not make this ruling in an attempt to decrease the amount of petitions they receive. I would imagine corp thieves are now rejoycing the world over at there new found easy excuse. With regard the inconsistancy it is ridiculous the time it has taken to finally come to the wrong decision on this. The fundamental game mechanics behind bumpy bumpy ensure that it can never be stopped, furthermore it will continue to happen by accident. Does this mean that we can now deam people bumping others off the station an exploit as well? Maybe it is time CCP started looking at the fundamental issues with thier most dubious creation (POS,)rather than adding limitations not supported by the game mechanics to some of their relatively new content. As for your first comment, pretty pathetic. And inappropriate considering that even people in piloted ships were bounced out, so your 'use the ship maintenance array' comment is silly. Quote: Well thats a whole other question, should people have invincibility available to them in 0.0 Well, in that case lets make stations destroyable, remove cloaks and make it impossible to logoff in 0.0. All these things make people invincible. I.e. pretty pathetic argument. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Chowdown Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 09:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Chowdown Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Chowdown I'm not particually happy with this classification as an exploit, those that were involved with bumpy bumpy were doing eve a great service. Reducing pos loading lag, lowering the prices of ravens/dominix's all over 0.0, and actively promoting the use of ship maintenance arrays. I do hope for ccps sake that they did not make this ruling in an attempt to decrease the amount of petitions they receive. I would imagine corp thieves are now rejoycing the world over at there new found easy excuse. With regard the inconsistancy it is ridiculous the time it has taken to finally come to the wrong decision on this. The fundamental game mechanics behind bumpy bumpy ensure that it can never be stopped, furthermore it will continue to happen by accident. Does this mean that we can now deam people bumping others off the station an exploit as well? Maybe it is time CCP started looking at the fundamental issues with thier most dubious creation (POS,)rather than adding limitations not supported by the game mechanics to some of their relatively new content. As for your first comment, pretty pathetic. And inappropriate considering that even people in piloted ships were bounced out, so your 'use the ship maintenance array' comment is silly. Quote: Well thats a whole other question, should people have invincibility available to them in 0.0 Well, in that case lets make stations destroyable, remove cloaks and make it impossible to logoff in 0.0. All these things make people invincible. I.e. pretty pathetic argument. Errr yes I think you make some good points there, cloaks need a nerf, and trust me I get more use out of one than most. Ask Goon if they would like to see outposts as destroyable at the moment, however your point on stations is 'pathetic.' With regards logging off of course people need the option. However hidy hole POS bubbles can be removed as far as I am concerned. Your signature has been reomved, please email us with a link to your signature for clarification - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.31 09:12:00 - [52] Rules and policies change over time, but if you think you are being treated unfairly or a peition wasnt dealt with correctly please petition it again and state this and ask to be exculated to a higher lvl gm. If you still think that a GM bias please contact internal affairs either via the petition system or there email [email protected] . As this is a specific case you will not get a answer for it on the fourms and (which is what you post asks for) and so im going to lock it as there is already multiple discussion threads about POS "bowling". Click - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| [email protected] \| ME They call me Hutch. I have forgotten why


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