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Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:30:00 - [31] eh? But the EANMII nerf apparently is the end of Eve, so this is a moot point no? Eve: Cheats prosper.
Barbaro55a Caldari Os Lobos Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.06.01 13:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Switchbl4d3 ii 7.48 . ... ...... thats funny, but what would happen if a fire took out the server? or a rouge taxi / asteroid? Is it ALL backed up? .......................................... We come in peace - My sig and your sig would make cute baby sigs.
Great Artista Purple Cloud	Posted - 2007.06.01 13:10:00 - [33] EVE is a state of mind. I cant remeber where I remebered this thing from, it was a quote involving some infamous forum troll. ___________________________________
Pehova Mindtriq Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.01 14:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Ares Lightfeather Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 01/06/2007 11:35:03 Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 01/06/2007 11:22:59 Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq I know lots of people who are sick of this game because of the devs playing the game and the only thing stopping them is the lack of a good online game to take it's place. As someone said before, when a similar but better game than eve comes out people will leave. Funny, devs from other company play their game too, but it's only here that a vocal minority of players complain... I meant in the way they are involved in alliance warfare which have an effect on alot of players. There are other games that don't allow devs to play and guess what? So far there haven't been an t20 incident in those games. I don't think there is just a vocal minority that don't trust CCP atm, it's much larger than that. If they had an poll onn if players trust ccp or not I think it would show a great number of players not trusting them.
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.06.01 14:52:00 - [35] It'll probably last until the devs simply run out of new things to bring to the game or new directions to take it. Sooner or later people do get bored and fresh changes and new toys do help keep/revive the interest.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.01 14:58:00 - [36] Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 01/06/2007 14:58:45 Quote: I don't think there is just a vocal minority that don't trust CCP atm, it's much larger than that. If they had an poll onn if players trust ccp or not I think it would show a great number of players not trusting them. Actually I think the opposite. But whatever. They did put some things into place to avoid the problem from occuring again, they did take steps to punish the offender, and as a result, idiots are continuing to say it isn't enough. Come on, wake up and think. What else you want them to do, have 5 players from different corps and alliance behind every dev to see if they don't cheat ? This story of trust is getting old and annoying. There are a lot of ways to prevent cheating from devs, and they have put them into place... furthermore, there is no motive at all for them to cheat. Furthermore, they did what they could, and some players are still spamming for some reason that they don't trust them. Well I'll paraphrase wrangler then : if you don't like the transparency level CCP works with, leave. But if you want a poll, get one. My bet is that the result will be that most people actually trust them.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.01 14:58:00 - [37] I'm going to say around 2011 EVE will be gone... And replaced by EVE2. The outdated code simply cannot last that long, especially if Infinity takes off and does well... EVE's survival probably depends as much on it's competition as it does on CCP... Building the homestead
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.06.01 15:00:00 - [38] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 01/06/2007 14:59:28 Ahahahahahahaha The OP has me cr4ckin' up over here: Originally by: "Silly OP" Depends on the revealations 2 Id expect, but Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Oh wow, what rock have you been under? ahahahahahahahahaha At any rate, look at the game we have here. It's kickin' hard and it's also very kickin' rad ;D Truth be told though, I'd love to see EVE grow to be so large each highsec system is as full then as Jita is now. More kills for us ebil piwats ;D edit: damned word filter edits out the word cr4ck :( _________________ Burn.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.01 15:00:00 - [39] eve will last until 2142 when the world is covered in glaciers and some numbskull has the bright idea of making a tank that hovers Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.01 15:00:00 - [40] I really like this game but I find somethings really annoying. But it happens in all games: The quest for getting bigger and better ships. Titans, Dreads, Motherships, Carriers. These super capitals make small alliances of 20-50 people utterly useless. I dont know why CCP would want the game to be centered around super huge aliances, but that really takes the fun out of the game for me. I dont like fighting in blobs of 100 vs 100. I like small gangs, of 2 to 10 people max. I also find that people are becoming real big chickens in this game which is also starting to ruin it for me - 30 man blob of mixed fleet to take on 2 battle cruisers, and when that 30 man blob is about too loose a frigate THERE goes the CYNO field and in comes a mother ship. What this game really needs is a return to its roots. Where flying a cruiser is bad-ass. Flying a battleship is like OMG hes got a battleship.
ChironV Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.01 15:18:00 - [41] The longevity of eve is dependent on its competition. Right now there are no other MMO science fiction based games that are its equal. Most players here have played other MMO and are tired of fantasy based games. Eve is different in that its completely different genre. That differnce will easily extend its viability by another 2 years. If you read the trades on upcoming MMO games you will see that almost all are fantasy based, leaving Eve as the standout in its genre. If CCP continues to develop eve it could easily be around for 5 years. Depends on DX10, lag, growth of the playerbase and customer relations. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
Tempus Fugitive Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.06.01 15:37:00 - [42] All games come to an end, no matter how good. It's sad, but true. They may technically still be up and running, but they're walking dead. Of all the games I've played, I see Eve as having the greatest potential. It's universe is full of infinite possiblity. What can't Eve do is the question? I can imagine so much for Eve in time. "Walking in Stations" is a baby step in the big picture - in ten years we could be fighting planetary surface wars. And Eve's current market and industry, as complex as it is, is only the tip of the iceberg. Sadly, in the end it most likely won't be Eve running out of new ideas that will kill it, it'll be it's own player-base strangling its growth. People want things to stay exactly the same right up until the point they get bored and quit. Meanwhile they kick and scream over every change the game developers suggest. They are often so short-sighted that they can't see the proverbial forest for the trees. So... my guess... is 3 more years. I sure hope I'm wrong, though. ---- And no I'm not an alt.
Miriyana Gallente Galactic Savings and Investments	Posted - 2007.06.01 15:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Barbaro55a Originally by: Switchbl4d3 ii 7.48 . ... ...... thats funny, but what would happen if a fire took out the server? or a rouge taxi / asteroid? Is it ALL backed up? We're a worries about French Red taxies and asteroids - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems
SiJira	Posted - 2007.06.01 17:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Archeausz the question is in the title... A few more years ? 5 years... What really ? Depends on the revealations 2 Id expect, but anyone have a estimate for how long you think it will live on to ? if it constantly evolves like all mmos should and eve obviously has been then it does not need an end - it only needs to keep growing ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
SiJira	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:01:00 - [45] Originally by: DarkMatter I'm going to say around 2011 EVE will be gone... And replaced by EVE2. The outdated code simply cannot last that long, especially if Infinity takes off and does well... EVE's survival probably depends as much on it's competition as it does on CCP... its code can be completely changed - while still keeping the infrastructure built up from the ground ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:03:00 - [46] I hope it goes on until there are only a few hundred people logged in during primetime. Probably another 4 or 5 years or until Eve 2 comes out.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:15:00 - [47] In theory, it need never die. What sense would it make to scrap a perfectly good game with a large player base in order to release "EVE 2"? It makes far more sense to just "update" the current EVE to the point where it becomes barely recognisable as the original release. What with the major game play overhauls in some patches and the upcoming brand new graphics engines (not to mention countless back end changes), it's already becoming difficult to reconcile Revelations era EVE with EVE: The Second Genesis. I seem to remember once in an old thread much like this, to the question of "when can we expect EVE 2?" a Dev answered along the lines of "You've played EVE 2; it was called "Castor".". --------
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:19:00 - [48] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I hope it goes on until there are only a few hundred people logged in during primetime. Probably another 4 or 5 years or until Eve 2 comes out. Compared to what EVE was after release we are playing EVE 2 right now. A 10 year plan mentioned by CCP before, and judging by how late the patches usually are the plans will stretch on for decades. The game design is superior to anything in the making ot on the market, and frankly, I can't think of anything better being developed at all. Usually when I play games I always have ideas about what would be nice to add, but with EVE it is always the other way around. CCP adds things that I didn't think were technically possible or things that I haven't even thought about. The only way EVE is going to end is if there is a company as good as CCP that can afford/provide better technological solutions to improve server performance.
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:21:00 - [49] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: DarkMatter I'm going to say around 2011 EVE will be gone... And replaced by EVE2. The outdated code simply cannot last that long, especially if Infinity takes off and does well... EVE's survival probably depends as much on it's competition as it does on CCP... its code can be completely changed - while still keeping the infrastructure built up from the ground If I am not mistaken the code was already partially changed some time ago.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:24:00 - [50] Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 18:23:48 Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: SiJira Originally by: DarkMatter I'm going to say around 2011 EVE will be gone... And replaced by EVE2. The outdated code simply cannot last that long, especially if Infinity takes off and does well... EVE's survival probably depends as much on it's competition as it does on CCP... its code can be completely changed - while still keeping the infrastructure built up from the ground If I am not mistaken the code was already partially changed some time ago. Yes partially. But I'd imagine at some point in time, the EVE code will be such a monster, it would be more costly to modify it than to start fresh, and migrate everyone's characters & assets to a new "game" That's what I would consider EVE 2... Eventually the game would need to move to totally new software & hardware infrastucture... I'd imagine this process would take more than a 24 hour downtime, etc... Building the homestead
Abdullah al'Weyouni	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:39:00 - [51] Depends on when the next war starts
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:43:00 - [52] Originally by: Abdullah al'Weyouni Depends on when the next war starts This man has a point. RL political issues are the biggest concern. Someone could launch a nuke tomorrow and EVE would be over. Or if the servers are flooded due to the global warming. Can hamsters swim? I don't know...
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:45:00 - [53] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 18:23:48 Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: SiJira Originally by: DarkMatter I'm going to say around 2011 EVE will be gone... And replaced by EVE2. The outdated code simply cannot last that long, especially if Infinity takes off and does well... EVE's survival probably depends as much on it's competition as it does on CCP... its code can be completely changed - while still keeping the infrastructure built up from the ground If I am not mistaken the code was already partially changed some time ago. Yes partially. But I'd imagine at some point in time, the EVE code will be such a monster, it would be more costly to modify it than to start fresh, and migrate everyone's characters & assets to a new "game" That's what I would consider EVE 2... Eventually the game would need to move to totally new software & hardware infrastucture... I'd imagine this process would take more than a 24 hour downtime, etc... I suppose its a matter of semantics as to whether that could be considered EVE 2 or not. It could simply be presented as the next "expansion pack", in which case in what way can it be said that EVE has died? Its a bit like Trigger's Broom- he's used the same broom for 25 years, and never needed a new one once. Of course it's had 6 new handles and 12 new brush heads......... The real test will be if CCP were to charge for it, in my mind. If its free software, with the same price subscription, has migrated characters, and is the only currently running version of EVE, I think I'd be hard pushed to describe it as a sequel. --------
Dowey Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:47:00 - [54] Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Abdullah al'Weyouni Depends on when the next war starts This man has a point. RL political issues are the biggest concern. Someone could launch a nuke tomorrow and EVE would be over. Or if the servers are flooded due to the global warming. Can hamsters swim? I don't know... Somehow I had a feelin he wasn't talking about RL issues, but then again he could of been. And the answer to you question is Hamsters can't swim.... atleast mine couldn't anyway ---------------------------------------------- Can't nerf this, dun dun da dun!!!!
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Dowey Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Abdullah al'Weyouni Depends on when the next war starts This man has a point. RL political issues are the biggest concern. Someone could launch a nuke tomorrow and EVE would be over. Or if the servers are flooded due to the global warming. Can hamsters swim? I don't know... Somehow I had a feelin he wasn't talking about RL issues, but then again he could of been. And the answer to you question is Hamsters can't swim.... atleast mine couldn't anyway Maybe in 2 years we get a world war and the first missile crashes into the place where EVE servers are stored. That would be the end of EVE. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:53:00 - [56] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Dowey Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Abdullah al'Weyouni Depends on when the next war starts This man has a point. RL political issues are the biggest concern. Someone could launch a nuke tomorrow and EVE would be over. Or if the servers are flooded due to the global warming. Can hamsters swim? I don't know... Somehow I had a feelin he wasn't talking about RL issues, but then again he could of been. And the answer to you question is Hamsters can't swim.... atleast mine couldn't anyway Maybe in 2 years we get a world war and the first missile crashes into the place where EVE servers are stored. That would be the end of EVE. Not to mention the end of London --------
Dowey Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:08:00 - [57] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Dowey Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Abdullah al'Weyouni Depends on when the next war starts This man has a point. RL political issues are the biggest concern. Someone could launch a nuke tomorrow and EVE would be over. Or if the servers are flooded due to the global warming. Can hamsters swim? I don't know... Somehow I had a feelin he wasn't talking about RL issues, but then again he could of been. And the answer to you question is Hamsters can't swim.... atleast mine couldn't anyway Maybe in 2 years we get a world war and the first missile crashes into the place where EVE servers are stored. That would be the end of EVE. Not to mention the end of London aa well, its only london (j/k) ---------------------------------------------- Can't nerf this, dun dun da dun!!!!
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:18:00 - [58] The original Everquest is still around. Even with all the fantasy style MMO's out there now it still survives. How many space based MMO's are there ? And sorry but there is NO WAY IN .... I am going back to grind for a level and also make sure you have the cash for those new spells at every level EVER AGAIN.
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:24:00 - [59] Edited by: Snowden Vel on 01/06/2007 19:22:58 Until the day before your first Titan pops out of the oven. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:39:00 - [60] Edited by: Nero Scuro on 01/06/2007 19:38:19 Originally by: Glengrant Originally by: Nero Scuro For a serious answer - I think AoC will attract away the playerbase looking for PvP, the new AoC won't attract the many players who are into sci-fi. And wether the pvp is competitive - time will tell. Originally by: Nero Scuro Startrek MMO Like SWG an established brand name like ST will attract a lot of players for a time. Like SWG it's likely it's being pushed by marketing droids with no passion for the game itself and get ruined. Also - with hundreds of thousands of players not everyone can be Cpt Picard or Scotty. IMHO having a big brand name is good for short term attracting a mass of players - but bad for long term viability. Players will get disappointed exactly because they have too high expectations based on the big brand franchise (SWG, LOTRO, ST). Originally by: Nero Scuro or Infinity will attract Sci-fi buffs away Why? Yeah - it looks nice enough - but what exactly would lure many eve players away? There is more to a well-designed game than to talk about correct orbits - and who needs billions of stars? Originally by: Nero Scuro and Darkfall will attract the people looking for depth (me). Looks great, might be good - but is fantasy - so won't attract any of those here who prefer sci-fi- and re if the depth is better than Eve - we'll see. Originally by: Nero Scuro If most or even some of those games are complete flops then EVE should be safe. Eve can easily survive even if most of the mentioned games are great successes. First the MMOG market is growing - so one games success doesn't have to lead to another game total failure. Originally by: Nero Scuro Only two things really kill an established MMO - new competition offering the exact same thing but better, or the devs screwing up the gameplay in a collosal way (cough SWG). I have yet to see any other MMOG that is overall as well designed as Eve. Not that that it is perfect - but on the whole I see a consistent trend behind design decision that IMHO are mostly right. Originally by: Nero Scuro People will whine a lot, but if they've not got an alternative to move to (as EVE doesn't at the minute -everything else is PvE grindfests) they'll stay. The minute they have an alternative however... True. But eve is also changing and adapting. Yeah, you're right, EVE will live forever and forever because unlike every business ever anywhere it has nothing to fear from competitors. Ok sorry for being sarcastic but the point has to be made - EVE has a lot of flaws, poorly designed mechanics and limitations. If you're not bothered by any of these flaws of course it seems well designed - you're only concentrating on what was done right. EVE WILL suffer from competition if that competition offers what EVE does already but better (yes, even if those different facets are spread across several different games). I doubt EVE will ever truly die - SWG is practically dead but still has plently of subscribers. I just mean that after the competition is released subscriber influx will wane along with the natural decay of current subscribers means a drop in the playerbase. By how far it drops we'll have to see, but if EVE was ever going to 'die' any time soon it'll be to those new MMOs coming out. --------- CLICK HERE to see how to keep an idiot busy

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