+1 for a buff to tec2 plates.

Rolled Tungsten Plates (meta 4) have lower CPU and PG reqs, less mass, lower skill reqs - and are more available and cheaper (thanks to the increased drop rate from NPC wrecks) - than the equivalent T2 plates. So, why even bother having T2 plates in the game?

Oh, I guess you do get an additional 3 armor HP with the T2 plates... wow... gee whiz.... (yeah, a bit of sarcasm here)

How about that long overdue buff to T2 plates?

How about that long overdue buff to T2 plates?

Clearly the answer here is a hull upgrades specialisation skill that gives some specific bonus when using T2 plates.

Now this I can approve of. Reduced mass addition? Of course it would have to be minimum 7.5% per level to beat RRT at 5, but whatever.

Tps are the same... the Meta lvl 4 PWNGE painter is better then the t2 in just about every way.

Clearly the answer here is a hull upgrades specialisation skill that gives some specific bonus when using T2 plates.

While we are at it... ECM is in the same boat... ECM is just not that effective...

Need to restore falcon and buff t2 mods to make up for it.

-DT

So it is an anomaly that a lot of T2 modules actually suck compared to the meta-4 variants. There's no sensible reason for this aside from CCP not having the time or carefactor to fix these anomalies.

[quote=Death Toll007]ECM is similar, TPs are fine as is imo. T2 ECM modules need a buff (and I know 90% of people here will despise me for saying that).

Rolled Tungsten Plates (meta 4) have lower CPU and PG reqs, less mass, lower skill reqs - and are more available and cheaper (thanks to the increased drop rate from NPC wrecks) - than the equivalent T2 plates. So, why even bother having T2 plates in the game?

Oh, I guess you do get an additional 3 armor HP with the T2 plates... wow... gee whiz.... (yeah, a bit of sarcasm here)

How about that long overdue buff to T2 plates?

The only point of T2 plates is that people can laugh at people that fit them.

I have lols irl only because I just can't figure how is it even possible that someone having this kind of idea really exist in RL:

Meta stuff requiring less to almost nothing has skills better than T2 (Training is supposed to give you access to better stuff)

T1 ships (pirate) relegating T2 stuff to crap (this single point is really a joke, I don't know what the guys smokes or puts in his veins but it's strong for sure)

Faction items/ammo requiring low to little SP with performances above T2 stuff (once again SPvsReward lol )

T2 mining barges/exhumer just strong enough to tank a single frig (must not be a faction frig)

High sec being less safe than Null sec

Some friend of mine tried the game and asked me when it's the next step in game and raping female toons in stations will give KM's or other rewards....

Luckily for us, pretty much everything you're worried about is fallacious or mythical.

Starting with High-sec being "less safe" than Null, how do you explain 0.0, with about 1/5th of the population of hi-sec, having 3.5x as many ship losses? A crude calculation indicates that 0.0 is about 15 times more dangerous than hi-sec.

Second, T2 ammo outperforms faction ammo in it's area of specialisation. Long range T2 ammo greatly outranges faction. High damage T2 ammo outdamages faction.

Third, T2 ships are in no way obseleted by faction ships. Faction ships are greatly boosted T1 ships. T2 ships are specialist ships with unique abilities. Which faction ship obseletes the Arazu? The Sin? The Cheetah? The Harpy? And so on.

You seem to be under the incorrect assumption that T2 "must" be the best just because it requires higher skills, or because some T2 items are better than their meta 4 equivalents in some ways. That's not supported by the evidence, the lore or the devs.

"Lore of the devs" what the F*** are you on?

No no no no and NOES !!

A lot of meta4 is there for a reason, lower pg/cpu or whatever, thing is that they're rare compared with T2 you can build no matter who and get as many as you want, now I'd prefer T2's to have 0 speed/mass/agility drawbacks
In the end the only thing you're going to have by asking that kind of upgrade will probably result in something like hybrids rebalance: projectiles got even more buffs

Faction guns/ammo better than T2? -wth? seriously wth????
The day where faction ammo and guns will require more training time than T2 I'll agree with you.
Until then faction ammo/guns/items are already way overpowered for IG tools not requiring the same training time than T2 and offering equivalent performances.

Everything requiring long time investment in skills should bring proportional rewards. If you guys don't want to train skills then ask nex store to open and sell stuff for cash...

Make meta plates more rare is also a solution but it'ld be nice if all T2 would be plain better (except for fitting and/or cap use)

While you're at it, introduce 3200mm and 6400mm plates.

A lot of meta4 is there for a reason, lower pg/cpu or whatever, thing is that they're rare compared with T2 you can build no matter who and get as many as you want, now I'd prefer T2's to have 0 speed/mass/agility drawbacks
In the end the only thing you're going to have by asking that kind of upgrade will probably result in something like hybrids rebalance: projectiles got even more buffs

(1)Until then faction ammo/guns/items are already way overpowered for IG tools not requiring the same training time than T2 and offering equivalent performances.

(2)Everything requiring long time investment in skills should bring proportional rewards. If you guys don't want to train skills then ask nex store to open and sell stuff for cash...

+1 for fixing faction guns

The only point of T2 plates is that people can laugh at people that fit them.

So, there seems to be two options here:

1) Buff T2 plates.

2) Reduce the drop rate of Rolled Tungsten plates.

Neither option seems to be all that difficult to implement, since it probably just involves a minor database tweak.

Oh, yeah, actually, there is the third option, which is even easier to implement:

3) Leave things as they are currently.

Does anyone really prefer the third option?

All those people who had large stocks in meta 4 MWDs and ABs before the loot drop changes. They might be a bit butt hurt with options 1 or 2.

Just sayin'

IMO, the difference between meta 4 and T2 modules should ONLY be fitting requirements.

At least meta 4s get more expensive as everyone use them. Market balances cost for you, if CCP wouldn't balance stats.

Unlike faction guns, 100x the cost of t2 guns while still sucking hard.