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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.11 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Cao Cao on 11/01/2004 02:37:42 We patrolled up and down Venal today, the NVA finally showed sign of life, crawled out of empire space, with a fleet that outnumbered ours by about 2:1. They came to within 2 jumps of us and.... LOGGED OFF! 9 hours later the Forsaken Empire still has unfettered control of Venal.
By these actions the NVA has abdicated its claim to Venal and now can no longer be said to control any territory. I feel sorry for them -- not having any test!cles and all.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.01.11 02:34:00 -
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Wrong forum & you're full of crap 
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Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2004.01.11 02:36:00 -
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Outnumbering the enemy means diddly squat if they're camping the jump-in point.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.11 02:36:00 -
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Sitting alone with up to 45 of them in EC-P8R was fun. Moving with 5 SI and 4 TunDraGon behind them all the time and then finally entering their system with 15 of them on but at no gate quite dissapointing.
Now I am going to UMI-KK and jerking off while looking at the FE fleet. -- Stories: #1 --
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.11 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Cao Cao on 11/01/2004 02:45:59
Quote: Wrong forum & you're full of crap 
What, wrong forum? Meaning you don't want the general EVE population to understand how cowardly you guys are?
What, full of crap? You mean that you guys having 45+ pilots in EC, then add another 8 or 9 Celestial Apocalypse in MSHD, and you can't come tussle with our 30 ships locking down Venal?
Man you guys really are pathetic. pa-thet-ic. Nope, you don't "control" Venal nor do you control any territory. See you in Lonetrek cuz thats about the only place you babies will "control." Sentry guns and CONCORD will protect you, don't worry!
EDIT: while your "warriors" are stuck in KQK1, we've been ravaging your mining and hauling parties up in Venal. LOL... 5k zydrine 2.5k megacyte and 27% cargo expanders captured.....  
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Cassiopia Phaedra
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Posted - 2004.01.11 02:44:00 -
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No sir, your WHINING is pathetic. Go do agent missions or something.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.11 02:52:00 -
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Cassiopia,
try posting with your main for a change huun. Your cowardice even leaks over onto the forums. How sad.
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scouting
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Posted - 2004.01.11 03:05:00 -
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Cao Cao the forum clown is acting all tough...hilarious 
--------------------------------------- Last nights patch, was, without doubt, the worst ever. Rest assured that I was on the forum within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world. |

Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.11 03:24:00 -
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Firstly: wrong forum. Stuff like this belongs in the corporations forum, as you very well know.
Secondly, who cares.
Thirdly, why are you bothering to make the fact public? If they don't control Venal, and you know they don't, job done. No reason at all for you to come bragging, is there? Unless, of course, you were just trying to score some propaganda points. But there'd be no point in that, because you've already won...
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.11 03:24:00 -
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Scouting are you quoting Nell in your signatures or what? 
Convert Stations
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.01.11 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 11/01/2004 03:29:07 I love these "My internet c.ck is bigger than yours" posts :D
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.01.11 03:31:00 -
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I'm not really familiar with whats going on in that part of space. Is it true that the NVA left Venal? --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003. |

Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:03:00 -
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Quote: I'm not really familiar with whats going on in that part of space. Is it true that the NVA left Venal?
Dunno...easiest way to tell:
Fly to Venal in a frigate and see who shoot you.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |

Toulak
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:06:00 -
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Quote: Fly to Venal in a frigate and see who shoot you.
Prolly no one at the current point in time, not a lot of people in and around venal. All doing agent missions in empire like the other 99% of corps in eve. 
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Bosie
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Bosie on 11/01/2004 04:12:59 I have no love for rates, but this does deserve to be in the general forum. This is general knowledge and as we don't have an alliance news forum this is a good place to post about it. I also hear that the NVA is on the brink of civil war...
Bosie.
http://bosie.proboards40.com/ http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
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Bosie
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:14:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: I'm not really familiar with whats going on in that part of space. Is it true that the NVA left Venal?
Dunno...easiest way to tell:
Fly to Venal in a frigate and see who shoot you.
I spent two days in Venal in a frig and was only threatend by an Indy hauling on the second day, gotta love them NVA patrols.
Bosie.
http://bosie.proboards40.com/ http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
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KrapYl
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:24:00 -
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Cao Cao, it is indeed the wrong forum id say too... take to the corp or crim forum... nobody wants to hear ur continues NVA bashing... Good Job, but keep in there...

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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:30:00 -
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I can offer some potential explanation for todays events.
Sometime during this afternoon while I was out, Oberon Inc, CDI, and some northern Venal allies decided to boot Jericho Fraction from the alliance and abandon the NVA charter, while they reformed a new military structure they are terming NVE (New Venal Empire).
A number of Jericho's corporate allies were less than impressed by the move, and may have opted not to defend this new "imperial structure".
I don't know who the "emperor" is.
All NVA communications channels have been ended by Cyberdyne Industries (CDI).
And thats about it.
Confusing situation, but to tell you truth chaps, we are well out of it.
Whoever is fighting for Venal now sure isn't the NVA.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:38:00 -
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Quote:
Confusing situation, but to tell you truth chaps, we are well out of it.
Whoever is fighting for Venal now sure isn't the NVA.
Does that mean the NVA is over, or just your (as in Jericho) interests in that region?
Bosie.
http://bosie.proboards40.com/ http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:40:00 -
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Bah...that's what I get for making a lame joke.
Honest answer as far as I'm concerned and speaking for myself only:
Venal is contested space.
Neither NVA nor FE have an official spokesperson at the moment, to my knowledge, to state their alliance's official stance and intentions. Or at least I've haven't been able to identify a single individual for either of alliance.
There are no independant information sources in the area to corroborate any information presented. All information concerning the situation comes from people who are directly involved on one side or another so reports can be skewed.
Regardless of who actually controls Venal and for how long they maintain control, it's pretty safe to assume you'll get shot by someone if encountered regardless of whether or not you're involved on either side.
So the safest course of action atm is cancel any hotel reservations you may have in Venal or surrounding regions, pop some popcorn and tune in to Eve's version of "CNN meets The National Inquirer". Aka EVE Corporations, Factions and Organizations HQ
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |

Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:43:00 -
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Quote:
I can offer some potential explanation for todays events.
Sometime during this afternoon while I was out, Oberon Inc, CDI, and some northern Venal allies decided to boot Jericho Fraction from the alliance and abandon the NVA charter, while they reformed a new military structure they are terming NVE (New Venal Empire).
A number of Jericho's corporate allies were less than impressed by the move, and may have opted not to defend this new "imperial structure".
I don't know who the "emperor" is.
All NVA communications channels have been ended by Cyberdyne Industries (CDI).
And thats about it.
Confusing situation, but to tell you truth chaps, we are well out of it.
Whoever is fighting for Venal now sure isn't the NVA.
Hehehe. The names keep changing quite a lot. Whoever was 2 jumps away from UMI-KK with around 45~ ships and logged off 30~ of them should rename the new "alliance" to "FSAPTLOTAQSTNKHAAWSTWSBMI": Fat scared asses pulling the log off trick and quoting Sun Tzu, not knowing him at all, wasting Sally's time who should be mining instead.
Or just Not Venal Alliance . -- Stories: #1 --
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 11/01/2004 04:49:02 Jash, controlling a region is hardly something which goes along with EVE.
The FE force logged off holding the only entry to Venal after going to NVA's (or whatever) remaing fleet.
Unlike in DAoC FE was not able to buy gate / station defenses or able to hire some NPC police for there.
The game is screwed up now in regards of controlling space. Basicly it's about juicy dots and people being too scared to lose their ships. -- Stories: #1 --
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.11 04:48:00 -
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Quote:
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Confusing situation, but to tell you truth chaps, we are well out of it.
Whoever is fighting for Venal now sure isn't the NVA.
Does that mean the NVA is over, or just your (as in Jericho) interests in that region?
Bosie.
To the best of my knowledge, NVA name has been dropped, and there is a new alliance of northern Venal mining corps and combat support called NVE (New Venal Empire).
Ideologically, this alliance is described in the Eve Guardian article by Halseth Durn.
It seems ambivilent on the pirate issue, and thus its somewhat confusing that they are still fighting FE at all.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.01.11 05:20:00 -
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Quote: It seems ambivilent on the pirate issue, and thus its somewhat confusing that they are still fighting FE at all.
Actually they weren't fighting us, hitting the Exit Game button isn't considered as an agressive act yet.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.01.11 05:24:00 -
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You do realize that some people do require sleep and it was nearing 2 a.m. gmt?
Some people do log out of the game at times other than 11:00gmt - 12:00gmt.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.11 05:26:00 -
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Quote: You do realize that some people do require sleep and it was nearing 2 a.m. gmt?
Some people do log out of the game at times other than 11:00gmt - 12:00gmt.
I was personally up in Venal for over 9 hours. Lets not talk about how it is too late when they slowly massed and tiptoed jump by jump out toward UMI-KK ... then apparently got cold feet at the very last moment.
It wasn't because it was late --- they are just cowards. Again, we were there for over 9 hours.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.11 05:29:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Sally on 11/01/2004 04:49:02 Jash, controlling a region is hardly something which goes along with EVE.
The FE force logged off holding the only entry to Venal after going to NVA's (or whatever) remaing fleet.
Unlike in DAoC FE was not able to buy gate / station defenses or able to hire some NPC police for there.
The game is screwed up now in regards of controlling space. Basicly it's about juicy dots and people being too scared to lose their ships.
No comment on the last part. I'm wearing my neutral hat for the day 
Without a means to cement control of a region, there's no Official means to declare a region NVA or NVE or OPP. But people still have to have some criteria. And to each his own.
The question "To Whom Does Venal Now Belong" won't and can't be answered today, not for me at least. Forsaken Empire hasn't really said they even want to keep the territory. Doesn't matter much if you can or can't control access to a region if you don't actually want to keep it.
Next question would be "Is there even an NVA anymore?". Information is sketchy as best, with enough spin in the worst cases to make Taz dizzy. Best guess based on what's being said is the NVA is fractured, with the final outcome uncertain. Will there be a New New Venal Alliance, consisting of the old guard NVA against the NVE? Will there be a reconciliation? Too early to tell. But if there is no NVA, the point is moot and Venal belongs to whoever decides to claim it and enforce that claim.
Final question would be "If there's an NVA, will they fight for Venal?". Today's...er, whatever it was is irrelevant. Wars aren't normally decided in a day.
In absence of an actual means to control access to a region, it comes down to organization and desire. Both are unclear. Take Viceroy out, get him a new suit and make him the official spokesman of the FE. Then have him say "We're keeping it". Then until some resurgent NNVA comes and takes it from you, I'll consider it yours 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |

Stoop
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Posted - 2004.01.11 05:32:00 -
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[Quote] I was personally up in Venal for over 9 hours. [/Quote]
Once again, not everyone can devote this much time to the game.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.01.11 05:43:00 -
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Stoop, do you really think they got a 40(?) men fleet together, went all the way up from lonetrek... and got tired on the way, so that they had to log off one jump away?
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2004.01.11 06:09:00 -
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Quote: Stoop, do you really think they got a 40(?) men fleet together, went all the way up from lonetrek... and got tired on the way, so that they had to log off one jump away?
You want some honesty? Here it is. We were too disorganized to respond quickly. Several people were playing quite a bit later than they really wanted to. It took us forever to get together and then wait in a big blob while other stragglers joined the fleet. You had the initiative, we were reacting. And when two or three people logged because of the time, a lot of other people said, "Screw it. All that's going to happen is two big fleets dancing. Might as well call it a night."
Seriously, don't you guys feel a little stupid playing this, "My virtual ***** is larger than yours," game?
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