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Nicho Void
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.06.07 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nicho Void on 07/06/2007 22:16:16
Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
I know the EULA is a sacred text to your people (angry nerds), but do ANY of you have proof that all farmers are selling it on ebay? How do you know that some of them aren't selling GTCs?
Yes, I do hold the EULA sacred...since I figure the makers of the game who wrote it do the same thing and bans are on the line. The fact that I'm angry or a nerd has little to do with it. The point here is that we DON'T have proof that they aren't just selling GTC's. Because of that, we take the time to report it via petition to a GM, who then checks the money trail and does other GM'ly things to investigate. Why do you instantly view this as me hating poor people, when in the end it's a GM who makes the call?
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: TheDagda Thread cleaned. Please remember the EULA is in place for a reason. Also please make sure you are all acquainted with the Forum Rules, and be respectful of other players at all times. If you suspect someone of selling isk please use the petition system available to all players.
Which is exactly why my guide was made. To teach people how to properly petition ISK farmers who may be doing RMT.
Thanks for cleaning the thread. 
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LMAAAOOOO
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:44:00 -
[63]
I wonder how many children has died because their farming father can't afford food because of people ganking farmers
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: LMAAAOOOO I wonder how many children has died because their farming father can't afford food because of people ganking farmers
I wonder how many children have died because someone petitioned an ISK seller and their ISK seller father can't afford food because of CCP banning ISK sellers.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:25:00 -
[65]
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: TheDagda Thread cleaned. Please remember the EULA is in place for a reason. Also please make sure you are all acquainted with the Forum Rules, and be respectful of other players at all times. If you suspect someone of selling isk please use the petition system available to all players.
Brown noser! I'll take your lack of response to me as tacit acceptance of my point.
-Karl
Which is exactly why my guide was made. To teach people how to properly petition ISK farmers who may be doing RMT.
Thanks for cleaning the thread. 
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |

voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.08 04:22:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Karlemgne
Brown noser! I'll take your lack of response to me as tacit acceptance of my point.
-Karl
You don't deserve a response. You will always counter me whatever I say anyway. If CCP themselves replied and said I know my stuff you would still argue with me.
So I'm not gonna bother.
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WCS WiLLY
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Posted - 2007.06.08 05:15:00 -
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I suggest you petition him.....well voogru TBH I have petitioned several farmers not just for being lame but for the annoying bugs they seem to exploit. 1. Get attacked, they jump and insta log (annoying as hell) 2. Getting attacked logging and then into a alt on same account. (more annoying) 3. Basically BLURTING they are in a sweatshop working for a man which is their "boss" I think when you ask them if they sell isk and you need to talk to boss in 12 hour well...thanks CCP for doing jack crap about this ( petitioned 3+ times)
So yeah I deal with the .0 isk farmers mostly mostly ex die trying, or beatlrice corps some a few smaller less named sweatshop operations. But it burns my cookie when you know damn well their sharing accounts, selling isk, and exploiting game mechanics that ccp say BOLDLY is wrong.
Here is some of the funny responses I get from the GM staff in reguards ot the isk farmers. " well we do not know how they are doing it, and are you sure they do not have agro" *answer= yes, when i login and their shooting my bubble in the belt and log I would give this one a 100% YES" CCP response = "well we cannot find out how they are doing this"
Another fun one " well jumping and logging shouldn't clear the agression log, we will look into this" * my response= "riight"
So yeah somehow their clever little farmers, and tricky for even CCP to catch so petition them yeah but do not expect for much to be done.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 05:35:00 -
[68]
youre anger has been noted and will be palced in a queue.
we will get back to you soon (TM)
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.12 05:07:00 -
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Some time ago the ISK farmers have discovered how the contract system works and started spamming it with ridiculous contracts asking something like 1.5 billion for an officer blaster. Believe it or not some people bought their stuff, i'm assuming with money they didn't really earn in game. And now ISK farmers discovered how to scam with GTCs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534001
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.12 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 18:37:19 EDIT: Make sure you understand, I'm not trolling. I really think this is the most pointless thing I've ever read.
Wow, you guys are SO lucky! Your lives must be perfect! If this is what occupies your minds, you must have no problems at all. I wish I could have a perfect life like you!
"I am a middle class American/European and my life is so problem free I'm going to get upset about those poor people in Romania/China/(insert 3rd world country here) who are barely eeking out a living by sitting in front of a comp all day and sleeping under their desks so they can sell my fat rich ass some isk on Ebay."
You guys need to get over yourselves, IMO. You know why CCP doesn't really care? They have things to do, and maybe they don't hate poor people as much as you.
*snip* Please be nice and respect other players -TheDagda ([email protected])
Still think ISK farmers are cute little asian teenagers trying to make a living in this harsh harsh world? You know there are constructive ways of making a living and there are ways to make money in this world that ruin someone else. If you're poor, it doesn't justify you going and ruining another person's work just because this person is materially better off than you.
Originally by: Sunny Mooninite
What if they sell GTCs? Would that violate the MOST SACRED HOLY EULA?
Dont like the EULA? You shouldn't have clicked "agree" when you installed the client then.
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Cruthensis
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cruthensis on 12/06/2007 13:09:18 In response to the various statements sympathising with the poor folk who are surely forced into such a terrible and cruel sweatshop and have no choise but to work 18 hours a day playing Eve:
I DO NOT CARE.
This is game, made for the recreational pleasure of those who choose to pay for it. Those who choose to exploit the opportunity to sell currency to players are not playing the game. For them, logging in is just business and I, for one, do not want to see them in the game at all.
You may point at me and my callous post and say "You spoilt rich kid" etc etc. As above, I care not for that. I work hard for a living. I play this game for fun. I expect to meet others who do the same. I do not expect to 'meet' unresponsive automatons who sell ISK to cheating players.
To restate, I DO NOT CARE if someone in another part of the world is 'feeding their family' by playing this game 18 hours a day. Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'.
I DO NOT CARE if CCP bans them and they have to find alternative employment. I DO NOT CARE if this is the ONLY thing they can do in life to earn money . I am confident that if they have the IT skills to play Eve-Online, they are most likely able to earn a living doing something else and something more productive. I hope they do just that. |

Karlemgne
The Black Fleet Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:23:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Cruthensis Edited by: Cruthensis on 12/06/2007 13:09:18 In response to the various statements sympathising with the poor folk who are surely forced into such a terrible and cruel sweatshop and have no choise but to work 18 hours a day playing Eve:
I DO NOT CARE.
This is game, made for the recreational pleasure of those who choose to pay for it. Those who choose to exploit the opportunity to sell currency to players are not playing the game. For them, logging in is just business and I, for one, do not want to see them in the game at all.
You may point at me and my callous post and say "You spoilt rich kid" etc etc. As above, I care not for that. I work hard for a living. I play this game for fun. I expect to meet others who do the same. I do not expect to 'meet' unresponsive automatons who sell ISK to cheating players.
To restate, I DO NOT CARE if someone in another part of the world is 'feeding their family' by playing this game 18 hours a day. Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'.
I DO NOT CARE if CCP bans them and they have to find alternative employment. I DO NOT CARE if this is the ONLY thing they can do in life to earn money . I am confident that if they have the IT skills to play Eve-Online, they are most likely able to earn a living doing something else and something more productive. I hope they do just that.
"a very odd state of affairs"
Welcome to global capitalism. It is a very odd state of affairs where we privlidged Westerners can "work hard" and play EvE for fun, while those "others" who don't speak English (and thus don't respond to you in game in English) provide a service for some of us(lets face it odds are SOMEONE who has posted here has bought isk in the past,) "work hard" playing EvE barely making a living...
But we're from the West, we don't care if others in the world suffer so a friggen' video game is more enjoyable for some of us. Regardless, I digress.
-Karl
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |

Wesley Baird
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cruthensis Edited by: Cruthensis on 12/06/2007 13:09:18 In response to the various statements sympathising with the poor folk who are surely forced into such a terrible and cruel sweatshop and have no choise but to work 18 hours a day playing Eve:
I DO NOT CARE.
This is game, made for the recreational pleasure of those who choose to pay for it. Those who choose to exploit the opportunity to sell currency to players are not playing the game. For them, logging in is just business and I, for one, do not want to see them in the game at all.
You may point at me and my callous post and say "You spoilt rich kid" etc etc. As above, I care not for that. I work hard for a living. I play this game for fun. I expect to meet others who do the same. I do not expect to 'meet' unresponsive automatons who sell ISK to cheating players.
To restate, I DO NOT CARE if someone in another part of the world is 'feeding their family' by playing this game 18 hours a day. Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'.
I DO NOT CARE if CCP bans them and they have to find alternative employment. I DO NOT CARE if this is the ONLY thing they can do in life to earn money . I am confident that if they have the IT skills to play Eve-Online, they are most likely able to earn a living doing something else and something more productive. I hope they do just that.
I would also add for the two isk selling apologists in this thread when they say "it doesnt hurt you why do you care?". Guess its been a long time since you were a noob...but when I started out, and had no isk etc. I found a great system with Omber as far as the eye could see....until the macro-miners came in and wiped it dry in a matter of hours...tell me, is that fair to new players??? Its a game, for the players, not for people to earn money...macro's ruin the game for the new players plain and simple...
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Disima Santet
Minmatar Aziam
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Welcome to global capitalism. It is a very odd state of affairs where we privlidged Westerners can "work hard" and play EvE for fun, while those "others" who don't speak English (and thus don't respond to you in game in English) provide a service for some of us(lets face it odds are SOMEONE who has posted here has bought isk in the past,) "work hard" playing EvE barely making a living...
But we're from the West, we don't care if others in the world suffer so a friggen' video game is more enjoyable for some of us. Regardless, I digress. -Karl
So how about you quit your account and donate the money you pay for this game to some organization that helps our poor people in 3rd world countries? And what are you doing spending time posting on this game forum - travel there yourself and instead spend time helping these people if you think we should all care. Now how about it?
Not all of us here are westerners. Not all of us here are well off financially. Some people playing EVE are unemployed, some people have low paying jobs that in the West puts them on the border or poverty, some people are students with financial debt, I've even met people online who were homeless. They pay for their accounts with ISK that they grind. Some people playing EVE Online are from Asia, Eastern Europe, Africa. They come to play in this fantasy world to relax after hard day's work, to entertain themselves in this cheap way that doesn't even require you to pay real money, to forget about troubles in real life for an hour or two. I don't quite understand why you think these people should give a damn about teenagers in China who engage in ISK farming as the best job alternative because their own corrupt government cannot provide them with anything better to do. As a result they are destroying the game that someone else worked hard to create for all of us to enjoy.
You know there are alternative much better ways of helping them out than letting them mess with a computer game that CCP worked to create. For one thing those players living in Western countries pay taxes some portion of which goes towards foregn aid. For another some of these people donate money directly to organization that engage in humanitarian work. Allowing them to farm roids and rats in EVE for the entire day is definitely not going to improve the lives of these teens.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:21:00 -
[75]
Edited by: voogru on 13/06/2007 00:20:06
Originally by: Disima Santet Edited by: Disima Santet on 12/06/2007 23:02:30
Originally by: Karlemgne
Welcome to global capitalism. It is a very odd state of affairs where we privlidged Westerners can "work hard" and play EvE for fun, while those "others" who don't speak English (and thus don't respond to you in game in English) provide a service for some of us(lets face it odds are SOMEONE who has posted here has bought isk in the past,) "work hard" playing EvE barely making a living...
But we're from the West, we don't care if others in the world suffer so a friggen' video game is more enjoyable for some of us. Regardless, I digress. -Karl
So how about you quit your account and donate the money you pay for this game to some organization that helps our poor people in 3rd world countries? And what are you doing spending time posting on this game forum - travel there yourself and instead spend time helping these people if you think we should all care. Now how about it?
Not all of us here are westerners. Not all of us here are well off financially. Some people playing EVE are unemployed, some people have low paying jobs that in the West puts them on the border or poverty, some people are students with financial debt, I've even met people online who were homeless. They pay for their accounts with ISK that they grind. Some people playing EVE Online are from Asia, Eastern Europe, Africa. They come to play in this fantasy world to relax after hard day's work, to entertain themselves in this cheap way that doesn't even require you to pay real money, to forget about troubles in real life for an hour or two. I don't quite understand why you think these people should give a damn about teenagers in China who engage in ISK farming as the best job alternative because their own corrupt government cannot provide them with anything better to do. As a result they are destroying the game that someone else worked hard to create for all of us to enjoy.
You know there are alternative much better ways of helping them out than letting them mess with a computer game that CCP has designed and is constantly improving. For one thing those players living in Western countries pay taxes some portion of which goes towards foreign aid. For another some of these people donate money directly to organizations that engage in humanitarian work. Allowing ISK farmers to famr roids and rats in EVE for the entire day is definitely not going to improve the lives of these teens.
(combat) Common Sense belonging to Disima Santet strikes Karlemgne perfectly, wrecking for infinity + 1 damage.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.13 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sicil Fioet Some time ago the ISK farmers have discovered how the contract system works and started spamming it with ridiculous contracts asking something like 1.5 billion for an officer blaster. Believe it or not some people bought their stuff, i'm assuming with money they didn't really earn in game. And now ISK farmers discovered how to scam with GTCs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534001
And another ISK farmer scamming for GTCs. It looks like it is the same one that was doing it a few days ago. Same style - different character. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=536031
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 11:53:00 -
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Just ban asian IPs, they have their own server. That would be a big blow to ISK farmers.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:36:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Sicil Fioet
Originally by: Sicil Fioet Some time ago the ISK farmers have discovered how the contract system works and started spamming it with ridiculous contracts asking something like 1.5 billion for an officer blaster. Believe it or not some people bought their stuff, i'm assuming with money they didn't really earn in game. And now ISK farmers discovered how to scam with GTCs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534001
And another ISK farmer scamming for GTCs. It looks like it is the same one that was doing it a few days ago. Same style - different character. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=536031
The contracts are claimed on purpose by other farmers. They are setup by the bosses and then the individual farmers claim the scams, it's a shoddy attempt at money laundering.
A lot now use private contracts now however.
Originally by: Hellspawn01 Just ban asian IPs, they have their own server. That would be a big blow to ISK farmers.
WHAT? That's crazy talk! Then I'd be out of a job!    
This is an easy solution, but not all farmer are Chinese, theirs romanian ones, russian ones, italian ones.
But the Chinese make up for the bulk of it.
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Haclya
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:46:00 -
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Stropp the farmers and macro miners  If don't belive they are ruing the marked by working 24/7 then you are a foul. pention them and leave them to the dust.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Hellspawn01 Just ban asian IPs, they have their own server. That would be a big blow to ISK farmers.
WHAT? That's crazy talk! Then I'd be out of a job!    
I¦m heartbroken too. But hey, its a start.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Hellspawn01 Just ban asian IPs, they have their own server. That would be a big blow to ISK farmers.
WHAT? That's crazy talk! Then I'd be out of a job!    
I¦m heartbroken too. But hey, its a start.
I'd be all for banning China from TQ. They have their own server they can go farm on.
But I don't think it would happen.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.13 21:40:00 -
[82]
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Sicil Fioet
Originally by: Sicil Fioet Some time ago the ISK farmers have discovered how the contract system works and started spamming it with ridiculous contracts asking something like 1.5 billion for an officer blaster. Believe it or not some people bought their stuff, i'm assuming with money they didn't really earn in game. And now ISK farmers discovered how to scam with GTCs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534001
And another ISK farmer scamming for GTCs. It looks like it is the same one that was doing it a few days ago. Same style - different character. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=536031
The contracts are claimed on purpose by other farmers. They are setup by the bosses and then the individual farmers claim the scams, it's a shoddy attempt at money laundering.
A lot now use private contracts now however.
Great. He has figured out that people will try to get their GTCs the old way from him. GTC prices have shot up which lead a number of people to try and trade in them in an attempt to make some money on it. Only of course they cannot use the new GTC trading system because it applies the code directly to your account. So he makes this post, he waits for resellers to contact him, get his money and claims the scam contracts. Then his account gets banned and his boss has the ISK through scam contracts. Then a day or two after he goes and does the same thing with a new account.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.13 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sicil Fioet Great. He has figured out that people will try to get their GTCs the old way from him. GTC prices have shot up which lead a number of people to try and trade in them in an attempt to make some money on it. Only of course they cannot use the new GTC trading system because it applies the code directly to your account. So he makes this post, he waits for resellers to contact him, get his money and claims the scam contracts. Then his account gets banned and his boss has the ISK through scam contracts. Then a day or two after he goes and does the same thing with a new account.
Not quite, the GM's can trace that.
They do something else with the ISK, but I wont say because I'm sure theres some low-lifes out there that would do it.
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Cpt Branko
Partisan Warfare Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cruthensis Edited by: Cruthensis on 12/06/2007 13:09:18 In response to the various statements sympathising with the poor folk who are surely forced into such a terrible and cruel sweatshop and have no choise but to work 18 hours a day playing Eve:
I DO NOT CARE.
I play this game for fun. I expect to meet others who do the same. I do not expect to 'meet' unresponsive automatons who sell ISK to cheating players.
To restate, I DO NOT CARE if someone in another part of the world is 'feeding their family' by playing this game 18 hours a day. Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'.
I DO NOT CARE if CCP bans them and they have to find alternative employment. I DO NOT CARE if this is the ONLY thing they can do in life to earn money . I am confident that if they have the IT skills to play Eve-Online, they are most likely able to earn a living doing something else and something more productive. I hope they do just that.
QFT!
Only comment about: Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'.
Well, in some countries, it's definitely more profitable then regular jobs. Not the only way to survive, as some suggest, just more profitable then the jobs they're typically offered.
However, since they're breaking the rules to get there, I don't mind making it harder for them at the least.
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Faekurias
Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.18 12:54:00 -
[85]
Thread pwned by dagda :D Anyways.
ISK ftl , kittens ftw <3 TINY KITTEH :( >:)
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Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:07:00 -
[86]
me?
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Cade Burey
Amarr Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:29:00 -
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I think I've run into a group of Isk Sellers, 3 barges and hauler all with nakes like hjgfk and jthghf etc. I stole from one of their cans and one of them convoed me with
(word related to sex that sounds like duck) you and then cao ni ma
does that second thing mean anything in a ny language or is it just random like their name?
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cade Burey
(word related to sex that sounds like duck) you and then cao ni ma
does that second thing mean anything in a ny language or is it just random like their name?
I got the same words from a 0.0 ratting raven when I blew him up. I am told it's chinese and very rude.
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Kzarr Ntakki
Gallente Faustus and Company
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Posted - 2007.06.20 06:51:00 -
[89]
Yes, you should petition him for harassing you with bad language....
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an internet
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: an internet on 03/07/2007 01:31:58 cao = (something rude) ni ma = your mother
I'm pretty sure this conveys the meaning of the above.
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