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Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.06.04 04:53:00 - [1] This was linked in everyones favorite macro channel by voogru. He is one of us on the front lines ganking and stealing from isk farmers so the rest of you can play the game with a slightly smaller impact from them. Linkage It is a great read and it's one of those things that opened my eyes into their little world. It is also well written. I think we owe voogru a tank you for a well written report on isk farmers and eve So, if you have time and you see a group of farmers in your local ice field or asteroid belt, think of the n00bs that go to empty belts during the tutorial and can't find a rock to mine. Alliance leaders: you need to also stop harboring them in your alliances. TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
Alaknor Dresden	Posted - 2007.06.04 05:21:00 - [2] I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright. -K
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.04 05:30:00 - [3] I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already. But hopefully it can be of use to some people.
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr Ordo Ministorum	Posted - 2007.06.04 08:50:00 - [4] Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 04/06/2007 08:50:03 Originally by: Alaknor Dresden I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright. -K Hehe....some n00b i was talking to in local (and who i made a gift of 1mil ISK to help them along ), came out straight and said they were going to buy a mining ship and sell ISK ...i heavily advised them not to, and i'm keeping a eye on this joker. If i suspect he's ISK selling, its gank time...note: n00d admitted to planning to sell ISK AFTER i had given him the gift of 1 mil ISK.... One Empire, One People, One Emperor, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.04 11:23:00 - [5] Edited by: tiller on 04/06/2007 11:22:28 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43 I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already. But hopefully it can be of use to some people. Originally by: Alaknor Dresden I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright. -K I suggest you petition him. Can I borrow your opux luxury yacht to do some gate camping in ?, I promise I'll return it in one piece. Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Join channel KLEPTO for info.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.06.04 11:38:00 - [6] Good read indeed. Ship lovers click here
Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.06.04 12:17:00 - [7] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43 I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already. But hopefully it can be of use to some people. I tend to disagree. Anything useful should be tossed out for public consumption. For awhile the problem improved then it got worse again. I think the isk buyers came out of the woodwork TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
Cruthensis	Posted - 2007.06.04 12:46:00 - [8] Wow! Top research! This might be a bit 'sensitive' so forgive my curiousity, but what was the incentive for certain characters to send you their screenshots?! Whatever it was, job well done.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.04 12:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43 I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already. But hopefully it can be of use to some people. I tend to disagree. Anything useful should be tossed out for public consumption. For awhile the problem improved then it got worse again. I think the isk buyers came out of the woodwork I agree with him. the whole macro thing has been so blasted on the forums and it's really boring now. they will always exist in mmorg's. kill them when u see thenm. petition them if u have proof but just get on with it and enjoy the game. doesn't make the best reading material on the forums imo. DE
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:05:00 - [10] Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 15:11:16 Originally by: Cruthensis Wow! Top research! This might be a bit 'sensitive' so forgive my curiousity, but what was the incentive for certain characters to send you their screenshots?! Whatever it was, job well done. Members of this group joined a corporation, I had a discussion with the CEO and explained the situation. The CEO let my alt in and I went and murdered the farmers in his corporation, "happygir" then requested to the CEO that the corp replace his stuff. "happygir" was the one which recruited this group into the corporation. I suggested to the CEO that we see their journals to prove they arent ISK farmers, they sent me some journals, not the ones I originally wanted. And these journals were probably the cleanest and it still incriminated them. Originally by: tiller Can I borrow your opux luxury yacht to do some gate camping in ?, I promise I'll return it in one piece. The yacht isnt exactly a very good ganking ship, but pay me enough money and I'll let you fly it on the test server.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:19:00 - [11] Awesome guide tbh. --23 Member--
lofty29 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Voogru I started my war against macro miners when I discovered the gang invite war mechanic, a mechanic that in ordinary game play was utterly useless because a true enemy would have no idea of who was ganged with you or not. At the time it was believed since these were macros, they would hit the ôEnterö key with the macro, and when you sent them a gang invite, the window was modal (meaning it took focus), and they would hit ôEnterö, and they would basically say ôYes Join warring gangö. This was at a time that the players were not familiar with this mechanic and some lamers quickly took notice and figured it out and used it for other less honorable reasons. Yeah, took notice. You didnt tell me exactly how to do it at all <3 ya voogru --- My sig has gone into exile This poster likes to tempt forum mods and has been voted most likely to get killed by an angry alligator - Ductoris
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:11:00 - [13] Originally by: lofty29 Yeah, took notice. You didnt tell me exactly how to do it at all <3 ya voogru I would have prefered someone else hunting beside me taking down the farmers along with me rather than ganking innocents, farmers deserve to be ganked. Theres plenty of farmers to gank, I mean how else could you kill an Apocalypse class battleship with a Catalyst in a 1.0 system.
Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.06.04 22:12:00 - [14] If you can stand the sec hit, and a lot of you 5.0 standing people can.... And, if your at a 5.0 you did a HELL of a lot of ratting... so you should have the isk.. A setup the guys gave me for ganking covetors in .7 and lower systems - 1 vexor with 4 neutron blasters and a full rack of mag stabs in the lows. have someone drop you 2 ogres in the belt, you drop 3 from your drone bay... scoop the other 2 and relaunch for 5... target, point drones at and smack F1-4 real quick and do down in flames with the isk farmer. He will die way before you do... If he has drones out your sec hit is even lower... :) make sure a pal is there in a hauler to scoop loot/ore and salvage the wrecks TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
Acarion Sphinx Violent Playground	Posted - 2007.06.04 22:48:00 - [15] Good read Voogru, some of my members really found that link interesting. Big ups for the investigation. Just one thing though, looks like 38 identified farmer accounts has gone offline today. Think I need to find myself some new targets.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.04 22:52:00 - [16] Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 22:52:03 Originally by: Loyal Servant If you can stand the sec hit, and a lot of you 5.0 standing people can.... And, if your at a 5.0 you did a HELL of a lot of ratting... so you should have the isk.. A setup the guys gave me for ganking covetors in .7 and lower systems - 1 vexor with 4 neutron blasters and a full rack of mag stabs in the lows. have someone drop you 2 ogres in the belt, you drop 3 from your drone bay... scoop the other 2 and relaunch for 5... target, point drones at and smack F1-4 real quick and do down in flames with the isk farmer. He will die way before you do... If he has drones out your sec hit is even lower... :) make sure a pal is there in a hauler to scoop loot/ore and salvage the wrecks Theres plenty of ways to kill farmers other than losing security status. I might make a guide on this too.
Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.06.05 11:39:00 - [17] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 22:52:03 Theres plenty of ways to kill farmers other than losing security status. I might make a guide on this too. flipping cans or just generally being annoying... I have not been able to get them to agress in forever. They used to if you used a frig or shuttle and have a ship in a safe... Or.. cloak and they think your gone.. Doesn't work for me anymore but if you have any other methods do tell TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr Ordo Ministorum	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:17:00 - [18] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 22:52:03 Originally by: Loyal Servant If you can stand the sec hit, and a lot of you 5.0 standing people can.... And, if your at a 5.0 you did a HELL of a lot of ratting... so you should have the isk.. A setup the guys gave me for ganking covetors in .7 and lower systems - 1 vexor with 4 neutron blasters and a full rack of mag stabs in the lows. have someone drop you 2 ogres in the belt, you drop 3 from your drone bay... scoop the other 2 and relaunch for 5... target, point drones at and smack F1-4 real quick and do down in flames with the isk farmer. He will die way before you do... If he has drones out your sec hit is even lower... :) make sure a pal is there in a hauler to scoop loot/ore and salvage the wrecks Theres plenty of ways to kill farmers other than losing security status. I might make a guide on this too. Signed! Would love to see this....feeling the need to get my 0.5 sec status lower!!! One Empire, One People, One Emperor, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
Flynn Walker Caldari People's Front Of Judea DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Loyal Servant flipping cans or just generally being annoying... I have not been able to get them to agress in forever. They used to if you used a frig or shuttle and have a ship in a safe... Or.. cloak and they think your gone.. Doesn't work for me anymore but if you have any other methods do tell One of my favorite methods is to find the ones that join a corporation, if they join an ISK Farmer corp (gibberish corp name), go to the HQ and make an application, a lot of the time they will blindly accept you into the corporation. Then you can use the map to find out where they are and go blow them up, and as long as you do not dock they can not eject you from the corp unless they do a vote, which takes 24 hours. So you have 24 hours to murder them all. Just look at my bio and corp history, the one im in now isnt a farmer corp, but they had farmers and I murdered them and then they dropped out.
Red Crown Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Flynn Walker Originally by: Loyal Servant flipping cans or just generally being annoying... I have not been able to get them to agress in forever. They used to if you used a frig or shuttle and have a ship in a safe... Or.. cloak and they think your gone.. Doesn't work for me anymore but if you have any other methods do tell One of my favorite methods is to find the ones that join a corporation, if they join an ISK Farmer corp (gibberish corp name), go to the HQ and make an application, a lot of the time they will blindly accept you into the corporation. Then you can use the map to find out where they are and go blow them up, and as long as you do not dock they can not eject you from the corp unless they do a vote, which takes 24 hours. So you have 24 hours to murder them all. Just look at my bio and corp history, the one im in now isnt a farmer corp, but they had farmers and I murdered them and then they dropped out. I think I just found a new hobby. Amazing guide. I had never thought of that. I will definatly be putting that info to good news. In other news - there are a lot of places where you can cause significant damage to a farming operation merely by disrupting it totally in - game. Evemail me for locations...some lowsec, some 0.0. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:42:00 - [21] yea nice guide and i just petitioned some local isk farmers with that method --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!!
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:24:00 - [22] I got a rather interesting isk farmer kill in Branch the other day. I was chasing one in my ishtar set up with 4 points for a few jumps (damn short-range scramblers) before he finally logged before uncloaking after a jump. But in that system were 5 people, including one hostile pilot and 4 farmer lookin fellows. So I hit scan and find a raven, arazu and exequror in a belt. Sounds fun, in I go. Sure enough there's the hostile arazu attacking the raven, the exeq 50km out of the belt, I tackle the raven and send my drones after the arazu so I don't have to deal with them all at once, the exequror warps out shortly before the arazu does. I set to work on the raven, who's going down nicely, When I notice He's shooting back with T2 torps. Exequror named sy99999 (who had been scouting for the raven I was chasing that originally brought me here) warps back in and tries to damp me so the raven can get out. No luck, I'm practically dry humping the raven and he hasn't made it through my shields yet. Killmail sows full T2 setup, no stabs, and he had a disruptor fit. Definately not what you expect from a farmer. Normally you'd think a character named "new Male" flying a T2 pvp raven around in 0.0 probably wasn't a farmer after all, just had poor name and corp selection, but given the jibberish named people trying to help him I had my suspicions. And then of course the fact that as soon as he exploded, a character named "new Male00" logged on IN ANOTHER RAVEN . tried to find that one too but he cloaked in his safespot before I could get my covops in. And that's my farmer story. Definately an interesting breed of player to hunt.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:27:00 - [23] Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it? If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer?
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:40:00 - [24] hmmmm i wonder if i could make an alt and have him pose as the isk reciver and scam them out of 5bil isk. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it? If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer? Yes, troll, you did miss something. Read, comprehend, THEN post.
Nexa Necis	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:20:00 - [26] The depths of macro/pharming ISK operations are seriously staggering. I used to gank their cans,war dec their corps and such as well. One night, I am not sure if it was by accident, but one of them invited me into their private macro channel. In the channel were all the haulers/protectors, the accounts which required more activity than the miner one. I remember now, I was in Marthia several months ago. At the time there wasn't a station there. There are a lot of belts though and it was a very quiet system 1 jump from TMP. That meant, lots of ore in a dead system super close to a major trade hub, the only caveat was a little extra work to haul. When you have 20 macroers and only 2 Itty 5's hauling, you get a lot of full cans. I went in with my main and all my alt accts, ganked almost every single can, approximately 30 or so and then managed to pop one hauler and several of the barges. I hauled all of it to a safe spot and carted it out with my alts. They were furious. So there were all these same names I had run into in various regions. All of them quite friendly with one another. I would steal ore from a group in TMP, and someone in Molden Heath would convo me and tell me to leave. How would he know I stole from them unless they are friends/connected with each other. Unfortunately for them, they had no clue how channel ops worked so no one could kick me from the channel, which infuriated them because they could no longer sit in their favorite channel and BS with each other. The channel was "HAPPY" I believe. They had a few others as well and I stayed in all of them until they went somewhere else. During that time though they would call for help when people would gank their cans, or would say which systems were quiet for some macroing. You would see the word "RMT" quite often in the channel as well. RMT=Real Money Transfer. ISK selling. I agree that more and more of them are "hiding" in normal player corps, and lots of those corps get into alliances. In the past I would email screenshots and chatlogs to the alliance heads and corp CEO's and they would do nothing simply because I was a pirate which meant that everything I said was a lie, and all my screenies were photochopped and the chat logs fabricated. Go figure.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:34:00 - [27] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it? If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer? Yes, troll, you did miss something. Read, comprehend, THEN post. Lol, irony, thy name ist Dr. Stupid (2).
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it? If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer? Yes, troll, you did miss something. Read, comprehend, THEN post. Lol, irony, thy name ist Dr. Stupid (2). Everybody farms ISK. Even I do it. But nobody in their right mind, farms all of the ISK, and then gives it all away by purposly claiming contract scams or player donations, for their entire life. In other words... they are transfering their ISK to an ISK seller. Thats the problem.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:19:00 - [29] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it? If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer? Yes, troll, you did miss something. Read, comprehend, THEN post. Lol, irony, thy name ist Dr. Stupid (2). Everybody farms ISK. Even I do it. But nobody in their right mind, farms all of the ISK, and then gives it all away by purposly claiming contract scams or player donations, for their entire life. In other words... they are transfering their ISK to an ISK seller. Thats the problem. Thats all the proof I need! Ban Voogru!
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 01:48:00 - [30] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43 I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already. But hopefully it can be of use to some people. Originally by: Alaknor Dresden I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright. -K I suggest you petition him. sigh I could I suppose, to what end? He loses one acount of 20 and starts another? I am of the camp who thinks it pretty pointless to petition isk farmers. I'll just continously blow them up until the leave my neck of the woods, and I don't have to see another "erzup1964." -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 02:04:00 - [31] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43 I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already. But hopefully it can be of use to some people. Originally by: Alaknor Dresden I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright. -K I suggest you petition him. sigh I could I suppose, to what end? He loses one acount of 20 and starts another? I am of the camp who thinks it pretty pointless to petition isk farmers. I'll just continously blow them up until the leave my neck of the woods, and I don't have to see another "erzup1964." -Karlemgne I guess you didnt read my guide. They have to be sending their ISK off somewhere. a GM can investigate a money trail and if theres any ISK sellers down that road, and there will probably be, people get pwned.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 02:09:00 - [32] Edited by: Karlemgne on 07/06/2007 02:09:24 Originally by: voogru Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43 I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already. But hopefully it can be of use to some people. Originally by: Alaknor Dresden I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright. -K I suggest you petition him. sigh I could I suppose, to what end? He loses one acount of 20 and starts another? I am of the camp who thinks it pretty pointless to petition isk farmers. I'll just continously blow them up until the leave my neck of the woods, and I don't have to see another "erzup1964." -Karlemgne I guess you didnt read my guide. They have to be sending their ISK off somewhere. a GM can investigate a money trail and if theres any ISK sellers down that road, and there will probably be, people get pwned. Oh, even better, some poor Chinesse ******* who makes 40 cents an hour loses his job and his family starves. I don't want that on my shoulders. That's not what would really happen though, see I know a bit about MMOs, having worked on them, and I'm telling you... yeah sure, they get 10 farming accounts. Then the farmers are back tomorrow. Afterwards, they repo the isk some newb bought because mining veld for 10k isk a load wasn't very enjoyable. He now finds himself with a wallet of -100 million, making the game unplaybale. I don't really fancy doing that either. Instead, I'll just pop the farmers again and again. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 03:48:00 - [33] Edited by: voogru on 07/06/2007 03:47:56 Originally by: Karlemgne Oh, even better, some poor Chinesse ***** who makes 40 cents an hour loses his job and his family starves. I don't want that on my shoulders. What about the greedy overseer that doesnt pay them squat and makes a killing off of selling ISK? Nobody cares about that guy eh. Originally by:** Karlemgne That's not what would really happen though, see I know a bit about MMOs, having worked on them, and I'm telling you... yeah sure, they get 10 farming accounts. Then the farmers are back tomorrow. Good. CCP's Income isnt affected and they still took ISK off the blackmarket, serves as a nice ISK sink too. Originally by: Karlemgne I don't really fancy doing that either. Instead, I'll just pop the farmers again and again. Which is about as pointless as counting sound. Originally by: Karlemgne Afterwards, they repo the isk some newb bought because mining veld for 10k isk a load wasn't very enjoyable. He now finds himself with a wallet of -100 million, making the game unplaybale. Good, one less cheater in the game, if they can't figure out how to use GTC's to buy their ISK... too bad. You just have to argue with me about everything don't you.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 05:04:00 - [34] Edited by: Karlemgne on 07/06/2007 05:05:07 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 07/06/2007 03:47:56 Originally by: Karlemgne snip quoted snipped text -TheDagda ([email protected]) What about the greedy overseer that doesnt pay them squat and makes a killing off of selling ISK? Nobody cares about that guy eh. Originally by: Karlemgne That's not what would really happen though, see I know a bit about MMOs, having worked on them, and I'm telling you... yeah sure, they get 10 farming accounts. Then the farmers are back tomorrow. Good. CCP's Income isnt affected and they still took ISK off the blackmarket, serves as a nice ISK sink too. Originally by: Karlemgne I don't really fancy doing that either. Instead, I'll just pop the farmers again and again. Which is about as pointless as counting sound. Originally by: Karlemgne Afterwards, they repo the isk some newb bought because mining veld for 10k isk a load wasn't very enjoyable. He now finds himself with a wallet of -100 million, making the game unplaybale. Good, one less cheater in the game, if they can't figure out how to use GTC's to buy their ISK... too bad. You just have to argue with me about everything don't you. I'm not quite sure why I was sniped there, but yes, of course I care that people are being abused. I see it every friggen' day, and not just in China. I just consider myself pro-worker. I don't want to impact the lives of anyone who is working for a living negatively. Again, you're right CCP's income isn't effected. Honestly, its not about the "farming" of isk, or the selling it, its of course about CCP getting their cut. Whatever, fine. I however don't want to see potential players leave the game, the more subs an MMO has, the more income CCP has, and the better our game is. As for GTC. Sure, you're right, much safer way to get isk for the newb... but sadly the GTC raises the price of purchased isk by something like $30. Once the isk price of GTC reaches somewhere closer to what someone could get from a third party, GTC sales will be much more successful in combating the "isk farmer." Honestly, CCP should step in and fix the isk price of GTC based on the price of Black Market isk. I think they'll find they get a much bigger cut that way. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Vendetta Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Karlemgne As for GTC. Sure, you're right, much safer way to get isk for the newb... but sadly the GTC raises the price of purchased isk by something like $30. Once the isk price of GTC reaches somewhere closer to what someone could get from a third party, GTC sales will be much more successful in combating the "isk farmer." Honestly, CCP should step in and fix the isk price of GTC based on the price of Black Market isk. I think they'll find they get a much bigger cut that way. -Karlemgne CCP Doesn't set the price of isk per game time card. The players who want to buy game time cards for isk do. So how in the world will CCP get a bigger cut of this action if they drop the prices of their GTC's? They won't. What will happen is that their general revenue stream will take a hit. Also, GTC buyers want one card per account per time span, so the demand for GTC's is rather low. On the other hand, the supply is as infinite as player's RL wallets are. As for the difference in black market vs. sanctioned Isk prices. Prices are running what..150-200 mil isk for a 30 day GTC which runs what, 14 bucks american? As opposed to the $6.95 specials from the advertisers in game for 100 mil? (Need to setup spam filters in game...no eve-mail from starter NPC corps.) A 50% off coupon is not worth the risk you take by losing your bought isk or having your account banned. As long as the players in the game refuse to sell isk for game time cards, the prices will remain high... So get to it players! Play 'for free' :) Raise those GTC prices! Its all in our hands... -- A legitimate businessman interested in unilateral re-appropriation of goods and salvage.
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:35:00 - [36] Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 18:37:19 EDIT: Make sure you understand, I'm not trolling. I really think this is the most pointless thing I've ever read. Wow, you guys are SO lucky! Your lives must be perfect! If this is what occupies your minds, you must have no problems at all. I wish I could have a perfect life like you! "I am a middle class American/European and my life is so problem free I'm going to get upset about those poor people in Romania/China/(insert 3rd world country here) who are barely eeking out a living by sitting in front of a comp all day and sleeping under their desks so they can sell my fat rich ass some isk on Ebay." You guys need to get over yourselves, IMO. You know why CCP doesn't really care? They have things to do, and maybe they don't hate poor people as much as you. You disgust me, tbfh. Bougousie pigs. --- I approve this messiah Haha, you can't unread my post!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:38:00 - [37] Edited by: voogru on 07/06/2007 18:38:26 Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Wow, you guys are SO lucky! Your lives must be perfect! If this is what occupies your minds, you must have no problems at all. I wish I could have a perfect life like you! "I am a middle class American/European and my life is so problem free I'm going to get upset about those poor people in Romania/China/(insert 3rd world country here) who are barely eeking out a living by sitting in front of a comp all day and sleeping under their desks so they can sell my fat rich ass some isk on Ebay." You guys need to get over yourselves, IMO. You know why CCP doesn't really care? They have things to do, and maybe they don't hate poor people as much as you. You disgust me, tbfh. Bougousie pigs. Then why do they get banned and why does CCP make devs blogs about them being banned left and right and why does CCP warn everybody not to buy ISK? CCP Cares.
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:39:00 - [38] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Wow, you guys are SO lucky! Your lives must be perfect! If this is what occupies your minds, you must have no problems at all. I wish I could have a perfect life like you! "I am a middle class American/European and my life is so problem free I'm going to get upset about those poor people in Romania/China/(insert 3rd world country here) who are barely eeking out a living by sitting in front of a comp all day and sleeping under their desks so they can sell my fat rich ass some isk on Ebay." You guys need to get over yourselves, IMO. You know why CCP doesn't really care? They have things to do, and maybe they don't hate poor people as much as you. You disgust me, tbfh. Bougousie pigs. Then why do they get banned and why does CCP make devs blogs about them being banned left and right and why does CCP warn everybody not to buy ISK? CCP Cares. Hey, there's a homeless guy outside my office building. You want to come kick him real quick? --- I approve this messiah Haha, you can't unread my post!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Hey, there's a homeless guy outside my office building. You want to come kick him real quick? Hey theres a homeless guy breaking into your office building, taking stuff then selling it on the street.
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:41:00 - [40] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Hey, there's a homeless guy outside my office building. You want to come kick him real quick? Hey theres a homeless guy breaking into your office building, taking stuff then selling it on the street. Isk farmers are stealing isk from you? Stroll on... --- I approve this messiah Haha, you can't unread my post!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:43:00 - [41] Edited by: voogru on 07/06/2007 18:43:23 Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Isk farmers are stealing isk from you? Stroll on... ISK Farmers don't just farm missions, or mine all day. The really smart ones run character scams, account hijackings and other various evil deeds. I can't believe there is someone actually defending these people.
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:45:00 - [42] Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 18:47:45 Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 18:45:06 Originally by: voogru Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Isk farmers are stealing isk from you? Stroll on... ISK Farmers don't just farm missions, or mine all day. The really smart ones run character scams, account hijackings and other various evil deeds. Oh no, evil deeds in eve? Why that's just counter to the spirit of this game! Hey, you know what would be a good job for you? Mall cop. Then you could hassle teens for loitering. EDIT: how the hell do you know what else they do? Or are you just speculating? 2nd EDIT: I really want to know what you base your assertions on. "character scams, account hijackings" <-- Proof, or STFU --- I approve this messiah Haha, you can't unread my post!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:48:00 - [43] Edited by: voogru on 07/06/2007 18:47:15 Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Oh no, evil deeds in eve? Why that's just counter to the spirit of this game! Hey, you know what would be a good job for you? Mall cop. Then you could hassle teens for loitering. EDIT: how the hell do you know what else they do? Or are you just speculating? The kind of evil deeds that get accounts banned. You don't see me going after pirates or legitimate scammers (as much as an oxymoron as that sounds). Theres no speculation. I just know how they work.
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:51:00 - [44] Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 18:51:53 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 07/06/2007 18:47:15 Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Oh no, evil deeds in eve? Why that's just counter to the spirit of this game! Hey, you know what would be a good job for you? Mall cop. Then you could hassle teens for loitering. EDIT: how the hell do you know what else they do? Or are you just speculating? The kind of evil deeds that get accounts banned. You don't see me going after pirates or legitimate scammers (as much as an oxymoron as that sounds). Theres no speculation. I just know how they work. HOW do you know how they work? I think you're full of it. Even if you had proof that 1 "smart isk farmer" did this other stuff, it still doesn't mean that they all do it. Admit it, you just hate poor people. EDIT: the price of ISK, according to google: 92.33$ = 1 bil EVE ISK So, 10 bil, and they might have 922 dollars. 20 bil, and you've almost got my paycheck for 2 weeks, split amongst 20+ dudes. Wow, those guys are really getting rich off of us! Call the PO LICE!!!! --- I approve this messiah Haha, you can't unread my post!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Sunny Mooninite HOW do you know how they work? I think you're full of it. Even if you had proof that 1 "smart isk farmer" did this other stuff, it still doesn't mean that they all do it. Admit it, you just hate poor people. And this is where I stop feeding the troll.
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:55:00 - [46] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Sunny Mooninite HOW do you know how they work? I think you're full of it. Even if you had proof that 1 "smart isk farmer" did this other stuff, it still doesn't mean that they all do it. Admit it, you just hate poor people. And this is where I stop feeding the troll. Whatever dude, you know you're busted. Because I caught you making stuff up. You ARE speculating, you don't know what all Isk farmers do. Honestly, there are other careers in eve besides mall cop. --- I approve this messiah Haha, you can't unread my post!
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Vendetta Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Sunny Mooninite You disgust me, tbfh. Bougousie pigs. Wow..nice word. -- A legitimate businessman interested in unilateral re-appropriation of goods and salvage.
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:11:00 - [48] Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 19:13:15 Originally by: Zedrik Cayne Originally by: Sunny Mooninite You disgust me, tbfh. Bougousie pigs. Wow..nice word. Thanks... I had to look up the spelling. But it gives a great revolutionary flavor, don't you think? I found a nice NPR story about this kind of thing. --- I approve this messiah Haha, you can't unread my post!
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:21:00 - [49] Edited by: Karlemgne on 07/06/2007 19:20:44 Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 18:59:53 Originally by: voogru Originally by: Sunny Mooninite HOW do you know how they work? I think you're full of it. Even if you had proof that 1 "smart isk farmer" did this other stuff, it still doesn't mean that they all do it. Admit it, you just hate poor people. And this is where I stop feeding the troll. Whatever dude, you know you're busted. Because I caught you making stuff up. You ARE speculating, you don't know what all Isk farmers do. Honestly, there are other careers in eve besides mall cop. EDIT: I've got more: You may think you're "making things better for the players of Eve" but you're not. You're just being self-righteous over something so trivial and abstract, that it took me 15 minutes to explain to a co-worker of mine what you're mad about. My co-workers place of birth? Beijing. Turns out his cousin runs a wow farming shop and people work there cuz they are getting paid twice what they would elsewhere, even with university degrees. Actually, doing some research and checking out third party websites (which I WILL NOT link) the price of isk is down to about $55 us to a billion isk. Last time I checked at $15 a pop for gtcs you get about 150 million isk... meaning? Meaning, to get 1 billion isk by selling GTCs you'll pay $35 us extra. Which is why I suggest CCP peg GTC isk value to something appropriately close to cheap farmers... maybe 250 million isk for a 30 day GTC. And this will, of course, fluctuate with the black market. And I tend to agree with your political assesments. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Sunny Mooninite You know why CCP doesn't really care? They have things to do, and maybe they don't hate poor people as much as you. So all I would have to do is prove that I'm poor...then I'm justified in violating the EULA? Or would I also have to prove that I'm not a White middle class male, since they're obviously ruining the world as we know it. The ISK sellers are violating the EULA. End of story. Good DAY sir.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:33:00 - [51] Edited by: voogru on 07/06/2007 19:33:57 Originally by: Sunny Mooninite EDIT: I've got more: You may think you're "making things better for the players of Eve" but you're not. You're just being self-righteous over something so trivial and abstract, that it took me 15 minutes to explain to a co-worker of mine what you're mad about. My co-workers place of birth? Beijing. Turns out his cousin runs a wow farming shop and people work there cuz they are getting paid twice what they would elsewhere, even with university degrees. Hint: Buying ISK outright = EULA Violation = Bad stuff happens. Hint: Buying ISK outright = Cheating = Bad. If you can't figure out why this makes me mad, perhaps we should play a game of monopoly and I'll go buy another board game and have it delivered and use the monopoly money from that board game to beat you in the game we are playing. And thanks for the co-worker reference, now I know your biased. They can always go run a farming shop for a game that allows RMT. Originally by: Nicho Void The ISK sellers are violating the EULA. End of story. Good DAY sir. Wrong. The ISK sellers are violating the EULA. End of story. YOU LOSE. Good DAY sir.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:36:00 - [52] Edited by: Karlemgne on 07/06/2007 19:35:06 Originally by: Nicho Void Originally by: Sunny Mooninite You know why CCP doesn't really care? They have things to do, and maybe they don't hate poor people as much as you. So all I would have to do is prove that I'm poor...then I'm justified in violating the EULA? Or would I also have to prove that I'm not a White middle class male, since they're obviously ruining the world as we know it. The ISK sellers are violating the EULA. End of story. Good DAY sir. Quite honestly, have you ever read the EULA? EULAs on MMOs have some crazy stuff in them, and I'll bet good isk, that you violate it at least twice a day without even knowing it. Just saying. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:37:00 - [53] Originally by: voogru Wrong. The ISK sellers are violating the EULA. End of story. YOU LOSE. Good DAY sir. Yes, of course. I feel so ashamed.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:40:00 - [54] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 07/06/2007 19:33:57 Originally by: Sunny Mooninite EDIT: I've got more: You may think you're "making things better for the players of Eve" but you're not. You're just being self-righteous over something so trivial and abstract, that it took me 15 minutes to explain to a co-worker of mine what you're mad about. My co-workers place of birth? Beijing. Turns out his cousin runs a wow farming shop and people work there cuz they are getting paid twice what they would elsewhere, even with university degrees. Hint: Buying ISK outright = EULA Violation = Bad stuff happens. Hint: Buying ISK outright = Cheating = Bad. If you can't figure out why this makes me mad, perhaps we should play a game of monopoly and I'll go buy another board game and have it delivered and use the monopoly money from that board game to beat you in the game we are playing. And thanks for the co-worker reference, now I know your biased. They can always go run a farming shop for a game that allows RMT. Originally by: Nicho Void The ISK sellers are violating the EULA. End of story. Good DAY sir. Wrong. The ISK sellers are violating the EULA. End of story. YOU LOSE. Good DAY sir. Voogru, I am not sure what this "bad stuff" you are talking about is. Clearly, CCP does not in principle disagree with trading real money for in-game currency. In fact, their support of the secure GTC for isk system should tell you all you need to know about it. The issue is does CCP make any money off of illicit isk purchases? No. That's what the GTC card thing is all about, CCP getting a cut. Now fine, whatever, I'm choosing to ignore the politics of this whole issue, and concede CCPs right to make profit off of someone trading their "virtual merchandise." However, to make it work well, the isk value of GTCs needs to be pegged. Only then will you see the diminishing of "farming" activity on TQ. -Karl Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Karlemgne Voogru, I am not sure what this "bad stuff" you are talking about is. Clearly, CCP does not in principle disagree with trading real money for in-game currency. In fact, their support of the secure GTC for isk system should tell you all you need to know about it. Players are abusing the GTC system to buy ISK. CCP did not intend for it to be a way to buy ISK, hence the recent announcment that the GTC system might be changing. Originally by: Karlemgne The issue is does CCP make any money off of illicit isk purchases? No. That's what the GTC card thing is all about, CCP getting a cut. CCP could sell ISK all day and get their cut. Hell, they could ban ISK sellers and take out their competition with a click of a mouse. But they arent Sony.
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.07 19:55:00 - [56] Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 19:55:29 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 07/06/2007 19:36:18 Hint: Buying ISK outright = EULA Violation = Bad stuff happens. Hint: Buying ISK outright = Cheating = Bad. If you can't figure out why this makes me mad, perhaps we should play a game of monopoly and I'll go buy another board game and have it delivered and use the monopoly money from that board game to beat you in the game we are playing. Your analogy is very suspect. The isk we're talking about came from the game not another game. 1/10. I really don't get why you care. They aren't hurting you, they're just trying to make a living. You didn't write the EULA, so you don't have any ownership there... Originally by: voogru And thanks for the co-worker reference, now I know your biased. They can always go run a farming shop for a game that allows RMT. Am I biased because I'm not Xenophobic? Or because my company hires smart engineers? You lost me there. Originally by: voogru If CCP allowed RMT, I wouldnt be saying any of this. Infact, id be selling my ISK just like these guys. I'd get rich off of EVE. It's not that I hate them, it's that they are violating the EULA and supporting cheaters. I don't know what RMT means. So why is the EULA so important to you? Does CCP pay you to enforce it? Do you really think that gold/isk farmers are getting rich? You really should listen to that NPR story I linked. Let's take a look from the ISK buyers point of view: Joey makes $15 dollars an hour. He just started playing eve, but he can only play 2 hours a day. In that 2 hours, he mines veld in hi-sec, making 10 million isk (I don't actually know, I've never mined) for his trouble. He'd rather be doing missions or ratting, but he'll need to be able to afford to lose his ship if he gets ganked. Let's say he wants to fly a brutix, so he'll need 60 million to be able to buy it, fit it and insure it twice ( don't fly what you can't afford to lose right?). It will take him 12 hours to earn that isk. But lets say he takes the money from 1 hours work in RL, his $15. He get 100 mill and now he can buy the ship he wants twice over, with a little extra for ransom money. Did Joey just ruin eve for you? Did Joey just WIN eve? Find a real cause, like world hunger or a new playground for the kids or something, this is just a waste of time. EDIT: Me no understand grammar. --- I approve this messiah Haha, you can't unread my post!
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.07 20:13:00 - [57] Originally by: voogru yeah I'm full of it arent I? Yep, you haven't proved that they sold the isk externally, just that they are farming. What if they sell GTCs? Would that violate the MOST SACRED HOLY EULA? snip Please be respectful of other players -TheDagda ([email protected]) --- I approve this messiah Haha, you can't unread my post!
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 21:07:00 - [58] Edited by: Karlemgne on 07/06/2007 21:09:22 Originally by: voogru Originally by: Karlemgne Voogru, I am not sure what this "bad stuff" you are talking about is. Clearly, CCP does not in principle disagree with trading real money for in-game currency. In fact, their support of the secure GTC for isk system should tell you all you need to know about it. Players are abusing the GTC system to buy ISK. CCP did not intend for it to be a way to buy ISK, hence the recent announcment that the GTC system might be changing. Originally by: Karlemgne The issue is does CCP make any money off of illicit isk purchases? No. That's what the GTC card thing is all about, CCP getting a cut. CCP could sell ISK all day and get their cut. Hell, they could ban ISK sellers and take out their competition with a click of a mouse. But they arent Sony. I doubt very seriouslly that the GTC trading is going to change in any serious way. The reason that an MMO company would choose not to sell isk directly to the consumer, has to do with inflation. CCP wants to keep the money flow closed, as you know, hyper inflation in games such as these can be a real problem. Thus, GTCs are an excellent way for people to trade isk for money, while having CCP get its due in the whole transaction, all while keeping the money market closed. As for Sony, I am guessing you are refering to SOE. Just for the record, SOE does NOT simply create money or in-game items to sell to their players. Their system is similarly closed, allowing people on certain servers to legally exchange virtual goods for money, while SOE retains a part of the money that has changed hands during the transaction as a fee. Its actually just a great business model, because in-game trading for real cash is something much akin to drugs. You aren't going to stop it, as long as there is demand. That's not to say CCPs model is any better or worse, theirs is just different, and GTC trading for isk is actually a great way to battle in-game farming... but ONLY as long as the returns for the player come close to what they could find elsewhere. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 21:08:00 - [59] Originally by: TheDagda Thread cleaned. Please remember the EULA is in place for a reason. Also please make sure you are all acquainted with the Forum Rules, and be respectful of other players at all times. If you suspect someone of selling isk please use the petition system available to all players. o/ Sorry, no offense meant at any time on this thread, and I most certainlly did not intend to advertise for isk sellers. I won't mention it in the same fashion again. Regards, -Karl Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 21:13:00 - [60] Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Originally by: Nicho Void So all I would have to do is prove that I'm poor...then I'm justified in violating the EULA? Or would I also have to prove that I'm not a White middle class male, since they're obviously ruining the world as we know it. The ISK sellers are violating the EULA. End of story. Good DAY sir. I know the EULA is a sacred text to your people (angry nerds), but do ANY of you have proof that all farmers are selling it on ebay? How do you know that some of them aren't selling GTCs? "Good DAY sir." <-- hey cool you're that FEZ guy from that 70's show! Awesome, I love your work. Don't even bother yourself on this regard, they'll just tell you they know because they've never been wrong. Then you will ask them, "how do you know you've never been wrong?" To this they reply, "because I've always been right in the past." Finally, they will give you some evidence that would lead you to suspect that they might be farming isk, and tell you that it proves that they farm isk as well as sell it for cash. -Karl Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.06.07 22:17:00 - [61] Edited by: Nicho Void on 07/06/2007 22:16:16 Originally by: Sunny Mooninite I know the EULA is a sacred text to your people (angry nerds), but do ANY of you have proof that all farmers are selling it on ebay? How do you know that some of them aren't selling GTCs? Yes, I do hold the EULA sacred...since I figure the makers of the game who wrote it do the same thing and bans are on the line. The fact that I'm angry or a nerd has little to do with it. The point here is that we DON'T have proof that they aren't just selling GTC's. Because of that, we take the time to report it via petition to a GM, who then checks the money trail and does other GM'ly things to investigate. Why do you instantly view this as me hating poor people, when in the end it's a GM who makes the call?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.07 23:28:00 - [62] Originally by: TheDagda Thread cleaned. Please remember the EULA is in place for a reason. Also please make sure you are all acquainted with the Forum Rules, and be respectful of other players at all times. If you suspect someone of selling isk please use the petition system available to all players. Which is exactly why my guide was made. To teach people how to properly petition ISK farmers who may be doing RMT. Thanks for cleaning the thread.
LMAAAOOOO	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:44:00 - [63] I wonder how many children has died because their farming father can't afford food because of people ganking farmers
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.08 03:24:00 - [64] Originally by: LMAAAOOOO I wonder how many children has died because their farming father can't afford food because of people ganking farmers I wonder how many children have died because someone petitioned an ISK seller and their ISK seller father can't afford food because of CCP banning ISK sellers.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.08 03:25:00 - [65] Originally by: voogru Originally by: TheDagda Thread cleaned. Please remember the EULA is in place for a reason. Also please make sure you are all acquainted with the Forum Rules, and be respectful of other players at all times. If you suspect someone of selling isk please use the petition system available to all players. Brown noser! I'll take your lack of response to me as tacit acceptance of my point. -Karl Which is exactly why my guide was made. To teach people how to properly petition ISK farmers who may be doing RMT. Thanks for cleaning the thread. Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.08 04:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Karlemgne Brown noser! I'll take your lack of response to me as tacit acceptance of my point. -Karl You don't deserve a response. You will always counter me whatever I say anyway. If CCP themselves replied and said I know my stuff you would still argue with me. So I'm not gonna bother.
WCS WiLLY	Posted - 2007.06.08 05:15:00 - [67] I suggest you petition him.....well voogru TBH I have petitioned several farmers not just for being lame but for the annoying bugs they seem to exploit. 1. Get attacked, they jump and insta log (annoying as hell) 2. Getting attacked logging and then into a alt on same account. (more annoying) 3. Basically BLURTING they are in a sweatshop working for a man which is their "boss" I think when you ask them if they sell isk and you need to talk to boss in 12 hour well...thanks CCP for doing jack crap about this ( petitioned 3+ times) So yeah I deal with the .0 isk farmers mostly mostly ex die trying, or beatlrice corps some a few smaller less named sweatshop operations. But it burns my cookie when you know damn well their sharing accounts, selling isk, and exploiting game mechanics that ccp say BOLDLY is wrong. Here is some of the funny responses I get from the GM staff in reguards ot the isk farmers. " well we do not know how they are doing it, and are you sure they do not have agro" answer= yes, when i login and their shooting my bubble in the belt and log I would give this one a 100% YES" CCP response = "well we cannot find out how they are doing this" Another fun one " well jumping and logging shouldn't clear the agression log, we will look into this" my response= "riight" So yeah somehow their clever little farmers, and tricky for even CCP to catch so petition them yeah but do not expect for much to be done.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.06.08 05:35:00 - [68] youre anger has been noted and will be palced in a queue. we will get back to you soon (TM)
Sicil Fioet Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.12 05:07:00 - [69] Some time ago the ISK farmers have discovered how the contract system works and started spamming it with ridiculous contracts asking something like 1.5 billion for an officer blaster. Believe it or not some people bought their stuff, i'm assuming with money they didn't really earn in game. And now ISK farmers discovered how to scam with GTCs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534001
Sicil Fioet Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.12 06:30:00 - [70] Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 18:37:19 EDIT: Make sure you understand, I'm not trolling. I really think this is the most pointless thing I've ever read. Wow, you guys are SO lucky! Your lives must be perfect! If this is what occupies your minds, you must have no problems at all. I wish I could have a perfect life like you! "I am a middle class American/European and my life is so problem free I'm going to get upset about those poor people in Romania/China/(insert 3rd world country here) who are barely eeking out a living by sitting in front of a comp all day and sleeping under their desks so they can sell my fat rich ass some isk on Ebay." You guys need to get over yourselves, IMO. You know why CCP doesn't really care? They have things to do, and maybe they don't hate poor people as much as you. snip Please be nice and respect other players -TheDagda ([email protected]) Still think ISK farmers are cute little asian teenagers trying to make a living in this harsh harsh world? You know there are constructive ways of making a living and there are ways to make money in this world that ruin someone else. If you're poor, it doesn't justify you going and ruining another person's work just because this person is materially better off than you. Originally by: Sunny Mooninite What if they sell GTCs? Would that violate the MOST SACRED HOLY EULA? Dont like the EULA? You shouldn't have clicked "agree" when you installed the client then.
Cruthensis	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:08:00 - [71] Edited by: Cruthensis on 12/06/2007 13:09:18 In response to the various statements sympathising with the poor folk who are surely forced into such a terrible and cruel sweatshop and have no choise but to work 18 hours a day playing Eve: I DO NOT CARE. This is game, made for the recreational pleasure of those who choose to pay for it. Those who choose to exploit the opportunity to sell currency to players are not playing the game. For them, logging in is just business and I, for one, do not want to see them in the game at all. You may point at me and my callous post and say "You spoilt rich kid" etc etc. As above, I care not for that. I work hard for a living. I play this game for fun. I expect to meet others who do the same. I do not expect to 'meet' unresponsive automatons who sell ISK to cheating players. To restate, I DO NOT CARE if someone in another part of the world is 'feeding their family' by playing this game 18 hours a day. Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'. I DO NOT CARE if CCP bans them and they have to find alternative employment. I DO NOT CARE if this is the ONLY thing they can do in life to earn money . I am confident that if they have the IT skills to play Eve-Online, they are most likely able to earn a living doing something else and something more productive. I hope they do just that.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.12 15:23:00 - [72] Originally by: Cruthensis Edited by: Cruthensis on 12/06/2007 13:09:18 In response to the various statements sympathising with the poor folk who are surely forced into such a terrible and cruel sweatshop and have no choise but to work 18 hours a day playing Eve: I DO NOT CARE. This is game, made for the recreational pleasure of those who choose to pay for it. Those who choose to exploit the opportunity to sell currency to players are not playing the game. For them, logging in is just business and I, for one, do not want to see them in the game at all. You may point at me and my callous post and say "You spoilt rich kid" etc etc. As above, I care not for that. I work hard for a living. I play this game for fun. I expect to meet others who do the same. I do not expect to 'meet' unresponsive automatons who sell ISK to cheating players. To restate, I DO NOT CARE if someone in another part of the world is 'feeding their family' by playing this game 18 hours a day. Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'. I DO NOT CARE if CCP bans them and they have to find alternative employment. I DO NOT CARE if this is the ONLY thing they can do in life to earn money . I am confident that if they have the IT skills to play Eve-Online, they are most likely able to earn a living doing something else and something more productive. I hope they do just that. "a very odd state of affairs" Welcome to global capitalism. It is a very odd state of affairs where we privlidged Westerners can "work hard" and play EvE for fun, while those "others" who don't speak English (and thus don't respond to you in game in English) provide a service for some of us(lets face it odds are SOMEONE who has posted here has bought isk in the past,) "work hard" playing EvE barely making a living... But we're from the West, we don't care if others in the world suffer so a friggen' video game is more enjoyable for some of us. Regardless, I digress. -Karl Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:25:00 - [73] Originally by: Cruthensis Edited by: Cruthensis on 12/06/2007 13:09:18 In response to the various statements sympathising with the poor folk who are surely forced into such a terrible and cruel sweatshop and have no choise but to work 18 hours a day playing Eve: I DO NOT CARE. This is game, made for the recreational pleasure of those who choose to pay for it. Those who choose to exploit the opportunity to sell currency to players are not playing the game. For them, logging in is just business and I, for one, do not want to see them in the game at all. You may point at me and my callous post and say "You spoilt rich kid" etc etc. As above, I care not for that. I work hard for a living. I play this game for fun. I expect to meet others who do the same. I do not expect to 'meet' unresponsive automatons who sell ISK to cheating players. To restate, I DO NOT CARE if someone in another part of the world is 'feeding their family' by playing this game 18 hours a day. Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'. I DO NOT CARE if CCP bans them and they have to find alternative employment. I DO NOT CARE if this is the ONLY thing they can do in life to earn money . I am confident that if they have the IT skills to play Eve-Online, they are most likely able to earn a living doing something else and something more productive. I hope they do just that. I would also add for the two isk selling apologists in this thread when they say "it doesnt hurt you why do you care?". Guess its been a long time since you were a noob...but when I started out, and had no isk etc. I found a great system with Omber as far as the eye could see....until the macro-miners came in and wiped it dry in a matter of hours...tell me, is that fair to new players??? Its a game, for the players, not for people to earn money...macro's ruin the game for the new players plain and simple...
Disima Santet Minmatar Aziam	Posted - 2007.06.12 23:00:00 - [74] Originally by: Karlemgne Welcome to global capitalism. It is a very odd state of affairs where we privlidged Westerners can "work hard" and play EvE for fun, while those "others" who don't speak English (and thus don't respond to you in game in English) provide a service for some of us(lets face it odds are SOMEONE who has posted here has bought isk in the past,) "work hard" playing EvE barely making a living... But we're from the West, we don't care if others in the world suffer so a friggen' video game is more enjoyable for some of us. Regardless, I digress. -Karl So how about you quit your account and donate the money you pay for this game to some organization that helps our poor people in 3rd world countries? And what are you doing spending time posting on this game forum - travel there yourself and instead spend time helping these people if you think we should all care. Now how about it? Not all of us here are westerners. Not all of us here are well off financially. Some people playing EVE are unemployed, some people have low paying jobs that in the West puts them on the border or poverty, some people are students with financial debt, I've even met people online who were homeless. They pay for their accounts with ISK that they grind. Some people playing EVE Online are from Asia, Eastern Europe, Africa. They come to play in this fantasy world to relax after hard day's work, to entertain themselves in this cheap way that doesn't even require you to pay real money, to forget about troubles in real life for an hour or two. I don't quite understand why you think these people should give a damn about teenagers in China who engage in ISK farming as the best job alternative because their own corrupt government cannot provide them with anything better to do. As a result they are destroying the game that someone else worked hard to create for all of us to enjoy. You know there are alternative much better ways of helping them out than letting them mess with a computer game that CCP worked to create. For one thing those players living in Western countries pay taxes some portion of which goes towards foregn aid. For another some of these people donate money directly to organization that engage in humanitarian work. Allowing them to farm roids and rats in EVE for the entire day is definitely not going to improve the lives of these teens.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.13 00:21:00 - [75] Edited by: voogru on 13/06/2007 00:20:06 Originally by: Disima Santet Edited by: Disima Santet on 12/06/2007 23:02:30 Originally by: Karlemgne Welcome to global capitalism. It is a very odd state of affairs where we privlidged Westerners can "work hard" and play EvE for fun, while those "others" who don't speak English (and thus don't respond to you in game in English) provide a service for some of us(lets face it odds are SOMEONE who has posted here has bought isk in the past,) "work hard" playing EvE barely making a living... But we're from the West, we don't care if others in the world suffer so a friggen' video game is more enjoyable for some of us. Regardless, I digress. -Karl So how about you quit your account and donate the money you pay for this game to some organization that helps our poor people in 3rd world countries? And what are you doing spending time posting on this game forum - travel there yourself and instead spend time helping these people if you think we should all care. Now how about it? Not all of us here are westerners. Not all of us here are well off financially. Some people playing EVE are unemployed, some people have low paying jobs that in the West puts them on the border or poverty, some people are students with financial debt, I've even met people online who were homeless. They pay for their accounts with ISK that they grind. Some people playing EVE Online are from Asia, Eastern Europe, Africa. They come to play in this fantasy world to relax after hard day's work, to entertain themselves in this cheap way that doesn't even require you to pay real money, to forget about troubles in real life for an hour or two. I don't quite understand why you think these people should give a damn about teenagers in China who engage in ISK farming as the best job alternative because their own corrupt government cannot provide them with anything better to do. As a result they are destroying the game that someone else worked hard to create for all of us to enjoy. You know there are alternative much better ways of helping them out than letting them mess with a computer game that CCP has designed and is constantly improving. For one thing those players living in Western countries pay taxes some portion of which goes towards foreign aid. For another some of these people donate money directly to organizations that engage in humanitarian work. Allowing ISK farmers to famr roids and rats in EVE for the entire day is definitely not going to improve the lives of these teens. (combat) Common Sense belonging to Disima Santet strikes Karlemgne perfectly, wrecking for infinity + 1 damage.
Sicil Fioet Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:05:00 - [76] Originally by: Sicil Fioet Some time ago the ISK farmers have discovered how the contract system works and started spamming it with ridiculous contracts asking something like 1.5 billion for an officer blaster. Believe it or not some people bought their stuff, i'm assuming with money they didn't really earn in game. And now ISK farmers discovered how to scam with GTCs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534001 And another ISK farmer scamming for GTCs. It looks like it is the same one that was doing it a few days ago. Same style - different character. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=536031
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:53:00 - [77] Just ban asian IPs, they have their own server. That would be a big blow to ISK farmers. Ship lovers click here
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:36:00 - [78] Originally by: Sicil Fioet Originally by: Sicil Fioet Some time ago the ISK farmers have discovered how the contract system works and started spamming it with ridiculous contracts asking something like 1.5 billion for an officer blaster. Believe it or not some people bought their stuff, i'm assuming with money they didn't really earn in game. And now ISK farmers discovered how to scam with GTCs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534001 And another ISK farmer scamming for GTCs. It looks like it is the same one that was doing it a few days ago. Same style - different character. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=536031 The contracts are claimed on purpose by other farmers. They are setup by the bosses and then the individual farmers claim the scams, it's a shoddy attempt at money laundering. A lot now use private contracts now however. Originally by: Hellspawn01 Just ban asian IPs, they have their own server. That would be a big blow to ISK farmers. WHAT? That's crazy talk! Then I'd be out of a job! This is an easy solution, but not all farmer are Chinese, theirs romanian ones, russian ones, italian ones. But the Chinese make up for the bulk of it.
Haclya	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:46:00 - [79] Stropp the farmers and macro miners If don't belive they are ruing the marked by working 24/7 then you are a foul. pention them and leave them to the dust.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.06.13 13:36:00 - [80] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Hellspawn01 Just ban asian IPs, they have their own server. That would be a big blow to ISK farmers. WHAT? That's crazy talk! Then I'd be out of a job! I¦m heartbroken too. But hey, its a start. Ship lovers click here
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.13 13:49:00 - [81] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: voogru Originally by: Hellspawn01 Just ban asian IPs, they have their own server. That would be a big blow to ISK farmers. WHAT? That's crazy talk! Then I'd be out of a job! I¦m heartbroken too. But hey, its a start. I'd be all for banning China from TQ. They have their own server they can go farm on. But I don't think it would happen.
Sicil Fioet Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.13 21:40:00 - [82] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Sicil Fioet Originally by: Sicil Fioet Some time ago the ISK farmers have discovered how the contract system works and started spamming it with ridiculous contracts asking something like 1.5 billion for an officer blaster. Believe it or not some people bought their stuff, i'm assuming with money they didn't really earn in game. And now ISK farmers discovered how to scam with GTCs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534001 And another ISK farmer scamming for GTCs. It looks like it is the same one that was doing it a few days ago. Same style - different character. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=536031 The contracts are claimed on purpose by other farmers. They are setup by the bosses and then the individual farmers claim the scams, it's a shoddy attempt at money laundering. A lot now use private contracts now however. Great. He has figured out that people will try to get their GTCs the old way from him. GTC prices have shot up which lead a number of people to try and trade in them in an attempt to make some money on it. Only of course they cannot use the new GTC trading system because it applies the code directly to your account. So he makes this post, he waits for resellers to contact him, get his money and claims the scam contracts. Then his account gets banned and his boss has the ISK through scam contracts. Then a day or two after he goes and does the same thing with a new account.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.13 22:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Sicil Fioet Great. He has figured out that people will try to get their GTCs the old way from him. GTC prices have shot up which lead a number of people to try and trade in them in an attempt to make some money on it. Only of course they cannot use the new GTC trading system because it applies the code directly to your account. So he makes this post, he waits for resellers to contact him, get his money and claims the scam contracts. Then his account gets banned and his boss has the ISK through scam contracts. Then a day or two after he goes and does the same thing with a new account. Not quite, the GM's can trace that. They do something else with the ISK, but I wont say because I'm sure theres some low-lifes out there that would do it.
Cpt Branko Partisan Warfare Ltd.	Posted - 2007.06.18 10:42:00 - [84] Originally by: Cruthensis Edited by: Cruthensis on 12/06/2007 13:09:18 In response to the various statements sympathising with the poor folk who are surely forced into such a terrible and cruel sweatshop and have no choise but to work 18 hours a day playing Eve: I DO NOT CARE. I play this game for fun. I expect to meet others who do the same. I do not expect to 'meet' unresponsive automatons who sell ISK to cheating players. To restate, I DO NOT CARE if someone in another part of the world is 'feeding their family' by playing this game 18 hours a day. Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'. I DO NOT CARE if CCP bans them and they have to find alternative employment. I DO NOT CARE if this is the ONLY thing they can do in life to earn money . I am confident that if they have the IT skills to play Eve-Online, they are most likely able to earn a living doing something else and something more productive. I hope they do just that. QFT! Only comment about: Let's be honest: it would be a very odd economic state of affairs in ANY country if farming ISK in Eve-Online were the only option open to you to 'survive'. Well, in some countries, it's definitely more profitable then regular jobs. Not the only way to survive, as some suggest, just more profitable then the jobs they're typically offered. However, since they're breaking the rules to get there, I don't mind making it harder for them at the least.
Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:54:00 - [85] Thread pwned by dagda :D Anyways. ISK ftl , kittens ftw <3 TINY KITTEH :( >:) Oh mai GOD!
Jobby Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:07:00 - [86] me?
Cade Burey Amarr Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.06.18 16:29:00 - [87] I think I've run into a group of Isk Sellers, 3 barges and hauler all with nakes like hjgfk and jthghf etc. I stole from one of their cans and one of them convoed me with (word related to sex that sounds like duck) you and then cao ni ma does that second thing mean anything in a ny language or is it just random like their name?
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.19 10:37:00 - [88] Originally by: Cade Burey (word related to sex that sounds like duck) you and then cao ni ma does that second thing mean anything in a ny language or is it just random like their name? I got the same words from a 0.0 ratting raven when I blew him up. I am told it's chinese and very rude.
Kzarr Ntakki Gallente Faustus and Company	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:51:00 - [89] Yes, you should petition him for harassing you with bad language....
an internet	Posted - 2007.07.03 01:33:00 - [90] Edited by: an internet on 03/07/2007 01:31:58 cao = (something rude) ni ma = your mother I'm pretty sure this conveys the meaning of the above.
Professor Wilkins	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:32:00 - [91] I personally think it is so wrong that macro miners/isk farmers are spoiling this game, my problem is that whenever a genuine player is mining to build ships etc for the market, players automatically think that that geniune player is also macro mining, so they come along and steal in the event the miner strikes back.
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:42:00 - [92] Yeah, identification is key if you don't want to annoy real miners, which I don't. A simple way, for those who have the time: 1. Add any playrs you suspect to addressbook. (Use a folder - keep it organised) 2. Login as often as possible (am before work, pm after work, pm to play, pm just before bed - or whatever, that's just my pattern) 3. If you see the character logged in (and perhaps in your system and mining) at ALL of those times, you're onto a winner. Steal, can flip, kill if possible. Let this run for perhaps, three days, to be sure, however, a 'sdjshfk' name and noob corp for 6 months effectively bypasses ALL of the above. Steal, can flip, kill if possible.
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:52:00 - [93] Edited by: Nicho Void on 03/07/2007 15:51:46 Hi all, Inspired by voogru's example, I joined channel macrointel last night and got a tip for a system within my range. I hopped over there and found 4 sweatshoppers working away. My question is this: Has anyone come up with a successful method of getting agro'ed by these miners that doesn't involve can flipping? The ones I encountered last night were smart enough to use an Ity V hauler instead of cans and stayed in 0.9 space. One of the miners was sitting in a completely empty roid belt in a Hulk...and I really wanted to pop that thing. Has anyone tried a fishing technique? For example, load up you hold with a high end min and jet it near a miner. I would hope a human being wouldn't be dumb enough to fall for that...but I'm curious. ---------------
Rangkai	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:28:00 - [94] Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Cade Burey (word related to sex that sounds like duck) you and then cao ni ma does that second thing mean anything in a ny language or is it just random like their name? I got the same words from a 0.0 ratting raven when I blew him up. I am told it's chinese and very rude. You can respond with xie xie ni!
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:55:00 - [95] Originally by: Nicho Void Edited by: Nicho Void on 03/07/2007 15:51:46 Hi all, Inspired by voogru's example, I joined channel macrointel last night and got a tip for a system within my range. I hopped over there and found 4 sweatshoppers working away. My question is this: Has anyone come up with a successful method of getting agro'ed by these miners that doesn't involve can flipping? The ones I encountered last night were smart enough to use an Ity V hauler instead of cans and stayed in 0.9 space. One of the miners was sitting in a completely empty roid belt in a Hulk...and I really wanted to pop that thing. Has anyone tried a fishing technique? For example, load up you hold with a high end min and jet it near a miner. I would hope a human being wouldn't be dumb enough to fall for that...but I'm curious. Think I may have been the person who tipped you off. Anyway, I haven't tried baiting with high end mins and, tbh, I'm not sure if they'd take that either. One other method I've heard of, but haven't successfully used (yet) is to get in close to the isk farmer and, when he has his drones attack belt rats, target him. Hopefully he will autotarget back and you will get aggo, and Concorde will come and rescue you. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.07.03 21:14:00 - [96] Originally by: Maxpie Think I may have been the person who tipped you off. Yes you were! Thanks for the intel. Originally by: Maxpie One other method I've heard of, but haven't successfully used (yet) is to get in close to the isk farmer and, when he has his drones attack belt rats, target him. Hopefully he will autotarget back and you will get aggo, and Concorde will come and rescue you. This suggestion sounds promising. I'll have to give this a try. ---------------
Zardenim	Posted - 2007.07.03 22:55:00 - [97] Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 18:37:19 EDIT: Make sure you understand, I'm not trolling. I really think this is the most pointless thing I've ever read. Wow, you guys are SO lucky! Your lives must be perfect! If this is what occupies your minds, you must have no problems at all. I wish I could have a perfect life like you! "I am a middle class American/European and my life is so problem free I'm going to get upset about those poor people in Romania/China/(insert 3rd world country here) who are barely eeking out a living by sitting in front of a comp all day and sleeping under their desks so they can sell my fat rich ass some isk on Ebay." You guys need to get over yourselves, IMO. You know why CCP doesn't really care? They have things to do, and maybe they don't hate poor people as much as you. snip Please be nice and respect other players -TheDagda ([email protected]) Racism ftw?
The Chamberlain	Posted - 2007.11.13 14:59:00 - [98] N00b question - are they in a corp that can be war-dec'd?
Motokko	Posted - 2007.11.13 15:35:00 - [99] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 22:52:03 Theres plenty of ways to kill farmers other than losing security status. I might make a guide on this too. Stop arguing and do this already. Sounds like a laugh. ------------------- "Stay Alert! Trust No One! Keep Your Laser Handy!"
Roast Bifcurtains	Posted - 2007.11.13 19:19:00 - [100] Originally by: The Chamberlain N00b question - are they in a corp that can be war-dec'd? Holy Necro, noobman! ================================================ Endless Love
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.14 11:37:00 - [101] Originally by: The Chamberlain N00b question - are they in a corp that can be war-dec'd? Empire farmers - no. 0.0 farmers - sometimes yes, but it doesn't matter if you wardec them or not a sthey are in 0.0 anyway.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:35:00 - [102] Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 07/06/2007 19:20:44 Originally by: Sunny Mooninite Edited by: Sunny Mooninite on 07/06/2007 18:59:53 Originally by: voogru Originally by: Sunny Mooninite HOW do you know how they work? I think you're full of it. Even if you had proof that 1 "smart isk farmer" did this other stuff, it still doesn't mean that they all do it. Admit it, you just hate poor people. And this is where I stop feeding the troll. Whatever dude, you know you're busted. Because I caught you making stuff up. You ARE speculating, you don't know what all Isk farmers do. Honestly, there are other careers in eve besides mall cop. EDIT: I've got more: You may think you're "making things better for the players of Eve" but you're not. You're just being self-righteous over something so trivial and abstract, that it took me 15 minutes to explain to a co-worker of mine what you're mad about. My co-workers place of birth? Beijing. Turns out his cousin runs a wow farming shop and people work there cuz they are getting paid twice what they would elsewhere, even with university degrees. snip Please do not advertise the sale of isk for RL money -TheDagda ([email protected]) Last time I checked at $15 a pop for gtcs you get about 150 million isk... meaning? Meaning, to get 1 billion isk by selling GTCs you'll pay $35 us extra. Which is why I suggest CCP peg GTC isk value to something appropriately close to cheap farmers... maybe 250 million isk for a 30 day GTC. And this will, of course, fluctuate with the black market. And I tend to agree with your political assesments. -Karlemgne Right. Because historically, price controls have always worked SO well The GTC exchange rate is set by players, not CCP. "Fixing" a 30 day to 250M means that those players who do depend on GTC are even more crippled; some will simply drop out, reducing the ISK supply to GTC seller. Who will, er.... just RMT ISK instead. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Gareth Ravenclaw Caldari Aquilan League	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:03:00 - [103] as a new player this is an interesting topic, i will have to look out for these farmers. I play other mmo's and have had to deal with gold sellers, but they seem to be very crafty in EVE WoW main: Mellonyj Guildwars: Grace Healer Xbox Live: SeveringGecko

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