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Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:05:00 - [1] If military victory against an opponent is unlikely, other strategies are needed. Demotivation of the enemy is a valid strategy, commonly used to win wars. So, let us look at what would demotivate BoB/MC: Lack of PvP. Need of maintaining POSs by themselves and POS warfare in general. How can we benefit from this: Let BoB play with themselves. Do not worry about the BoB allies - they are way too scared to fight BoB (or already fighting BoB by not supplying them with targets), so they will not provide BoB with any fun. So here, three certain ways to defeat BoB: a) join the BoB bandwagon, with your corp/alliance. But please do not maintain any POSs, that is no fun and should be done by BoB. If BoB now wants you to leave, check possibility b) b) dont be an active BoB target. If BoB attacks you, ignore them. Log on your empire/lowsec/pirating alts and continue having fun, while they have to work on your POSs, or camp empty systems. c) steal BoBs targets, and have great fair fights with them. Currently Razor, MM, Goons, RA etc. Once BoB shows up, leave. Once BoB leaves the area, keep attacking their targets. Don't bother with the POSs, they are no fun, leave those for BoB to destroy. In general, if BoB is spoiling your fun - do not play with them. Play with those that provide you with fun. Even kids know that policy. It works. My forces have already adapted these strategies. We are stealing BoB targets whereever we can. There is no way we can loose. Blacklight, we are stealing your targets! How will you counter this? EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:08:00 - [2] Hey it's that guy again
cacareaza	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:09:00 - [3] wow...a verry stupid ideea
Fluxcage Minmatar FinFleet	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Fluxcage on 04/06/2007 14:09:09 I'm so evil that I have to use three :twisted: emoticons in this post to show the world how cruel and cool I am. Steal targets :twited: :twisted: :twisted: :D
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:13:00 - [5] Ideas like this make me a sad panda. After such monumental wars in the past that shook the very foundations of eve (GNW) , to the modern day suggestion of hiding instead of fighting. That isn't evolution of tactics so much as developing a big yellow stripe up your back. Respect is earnt on the battlefield
Gloomrake Ono Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Victor Vision My forces have already adapted these strategies. We are stealing BoB targets whereever we can. There is no way we can loose. Blacklight, we are stealing your targets! How will you counter this? Central Intellegence Service - Member Count - 1 'A person experiencing schizophrenia may demonstrate a variety of symptoms; these may include disorganized thinking, delusions and hallucinations, in particular auditory hallucinations.'
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Gloomrake Ono Originally by: Victor Vision My forces have already adapted these strategies. We are stealing BoB targets whereever we can. There is no way we can loose. Blacklight, we are stealing your targets! How will you counter this? Central Intellegence Service - Member Count - 1 Since you already checked my corp ingame, read the corp description On topic: Thanks for the reaffirming BoB posts in this thread. The course has been set. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:36:00 - [8] Oh wow I haven't heard this one before! __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:37:00 - [9] So lets get this straight - you are going to beat bob by not loggin in to fight?
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:38:00 - [10] Personally I think a victory against BOB would be very likey, when the coaliton wakes up and realises that to defeat a enemy that puts everything on the line, you must also put everything on the line and fight and fight AND FIGHT until they are dead and nothing remains. Its just a game. Get over yourselfs.
Interval The Triad Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:45:00 - [11] Here's an even better idea. Quit fighting anyone, including NPCs. Heck just cancel your account while cackling with glee at BOB's missed opportunities. Great idea. Let's all quit Eve and really show BoB.
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:45:00 - [12] I believe the proper term for this strategy is 'surrender'.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Major Stormer Personally I think a victory against BOB would be very likey, when the coaliton wakes up and realises that to defeat a enemy that puts everything on the line, you must also put everything on the line and fight and fight AND FIGHT... That is what BoB wants. Why give them what they want? EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Major Stormer Personally I think a victory against BOB would be very likey, when the coaliton wakes up and realises that to defeat a enemy that puts everything on the line, you must also put everything on the line and fight and fight AND FIGHT until they are dead and nothing remains. It's not that simple. We all know D2 suffered from a lack of stones when it came to putting it all out there, but the rest of the corps fought hard. It really comes down to a lack of the hardcore. What I mean is, the most hardcore players went to corps where others play eve as often and as hard as they do. Those corps happen to be bob corps. IRON, Razor, etc do have some players that live and breathe eve, but they are not nearly as numerous. It's really a numbers game. Alliance numbers are meaningless - it's the number of people willing and able to set alarm clocks to wake up at 0300 to pop a POS that determine the outcome of these things. Fair? No, but life isn't fair. Do what's fun for you. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 14:56:00 - [15] Edited by: Victor Vision on 04/06/2007 15:00:12 Originally by: Zimi Vlasic What I mean is, the most hardcore players went to corps where others play eve as often and as hard as they do. Those corps happen to be bob corps. IRON, Razor, etc do have some players that live and breathe eve, but they are not nearly as numerous. It's really a numbers game. Alliance numbers are meaningless - it's the number of people willing and able to set alarm clocks to wake up at 0300 to pop a POS that determine the outcome of these things. Fair? No, but life isn't fair. Do what's fun for you. Quite well put. Currently BoB is the force with most the fancy toys, and fancy chars. What happens to spoiled children with all the fancy toys? You get some playing with them because they would so love the fancy toys as well. The rest just ignores them, and has fun instead. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Enthes goldhart Gallente Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:09:00 - [16] If the coalition want to win they have to attack bob and not its pets like they did (not that im complaining, pew pew = good) But I think its now a bit to late for this information as bob are on the offensive again. Quote: b) dont be an active BoB target. If BoB attacks you, ignore them. Log on your empire/lowsec/pirating alts and continue having fun, while they have to work on your POSs, or camp empty systems wouldn't that demotivate your troops and mean that you lose all station and pos's that alliances have worked for? your are either part of BOB or an fool.
papaPadla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:10:00 - [17] Originally by: bloomich So lets get this straight - you are going to beat bob by not loggin in to fight? Not only that... our enemyes will actually kill eachother so we don't get any pvp. so when bob decides to attack someone, you will see all theyr friends coming and grind them to dust so that bob doesen't get to... What can i say... youre as smart as a goon -------------------------------------
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:12:00 - [18] Innovative tactic Though I do remember BoB being royally ****ed off when we assembled a big fleet in AZN and instead of going off to fight BoB we jumpportalled to 68FT to help AXE fight AAA. Simple spelling lessons for forum posters: A point is moot, not mute Guerilla tactics are different from gorilla tactics.
DiuxDium Caldari Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:13:00 - [19] Step 1. Log Step 2. Victory! ------------- Hello America
Tempest Kane Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:19:00 - [20] When will people learn this tactic dosnt work. It didnt work in fountain. It didnt work in the north. It will not work now, and it wont work when the next group trys it.
Tyrus Ex Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Victor Vision Let BoB play with themselves. Too late. I've been doing that since I turned 14.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:27:00 - [22] I love the lines of thinking on these forums. Problem: BoB is going to take over all of EVE! We'll all have to live under a tyrannical BoB hegemony! Solution: Let's completely ignore them, refuse to fight them, and instead shoot the people that they are currently attacking when BoB isn't around! Yeah! That'll show us! Nemo me impune lacessit
Sho Usyagash Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:33:00 - [23] WORKERS: Look out! The Judean People's Front! The Judean People's Front!... OTTO: Ve are the Judean People's Front. *** suicide squad. Suicide squad! Attack! [drum roll] J.P.F.: Uh! Ugh. Aggh... OTTO: That showed 'em, huh? Oooh. [whump] When I've had a few drinks I like to show off my Fandango.**
Gabba The Three Hundred	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:37:00 - [24] Its actually not such a bad idea, although it would take too long for it to work and would be.... extremely boring. I dont fight BoB myself, but if you compare them to the Roman empire (valid comparison imho), your better off using the fact that the space they control is very large their borders far apart. Fast roaming gangs to split up their forces and a cyno chain with dreads that can jump in and out, sort of guerilla tactics. Hit a POS and then move out fast, dont get into trenchwar fights with supercaps. Ok im going back to mining now
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Gabba Its actually not such a bad idea, although it would take too long for it to work and would be.... extremely boring. I dont fight BoB myself, but if you compare them to the Roman empire (valid comparison imho), your better off using the fact that the space they control is very large their borders far apart. Fast roaming gangs to split up their forces and a cyno chain with dreads that can jump in and out, sort of guerilla tactics. Hit a POS and then move out fast, dont get into trenchwar fights with supercaps. Ok im going back to mining now That wont realy work. You reinforce a pos, then when the pos comes out of reinforced, thy just refual it, meaning you just wasted your time doing hit and run tactics.
Doc Punkiller Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.04 15:56:00 - [26] I prefer Plan 9. It's time to use all those frozen corpses :)
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:01:00 - [27] 1. Logon 2. ??? 3. Logoff 4. Profit!! -------------------------------------
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Major Stormer Personally I think a victory against BOB would be very likey, when the coaliton wakes up and realises that to defeat a enemy that puts everything on the line, you must also put everything on the line and fight and fight AND FIGHT until they are dead and nothing remains. Someone gets it And the great part is that all the core BoB players would welcome this, win or lose (Yes, "win or lose", in spite of what the whiny cynics spew). Quote: Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Victor Vision How can we benefit from this: Let BoB play with themselves. Little known fact about BoB: they can impregnate themself. Thus, this will only lead to alot of little bobbies around eve. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Victor Vision If military victory against an opponent is unlikely, other strategies are needed. Demotivation of the enemy is a valid strategy, commonly used to win wars. So, let us look at what would demotivate BoB/MC: Lack of PvP. Need of maintaining POSs by themselves and POS warfare in general. How can we benefit from this: Let BoB play with themselves. Do not worry about the BoB allies - they are way too scared to fight BoB (or already fighting BoB by not supplying them with targets), so they will not provide BoB with any fun. So here, three certain ways to defeat BoB: a) join the BoB bandwagon, with your corp/alliance. But please do not maintain any POSs, that is no fun and should be done by BoB. If BoB now wants you to leave, check possibility b) b) dont be an active BoB target. If BoB attacks you, ignore them. Log on your empire/lowsec/pirating alts and continue having fun, while they have to work on your POSs, or camp empty systems. c) steal BoBs targets, and have great fair fights with them. Currently Razor, MM, Goons, RA etc. Once BoB shows up, leave. Once BoB leaves the area, keep attacking their targets. Don't bother with the POSs, they are no fun, leave those for BoB to destroy. In general, if BoB is spoiling your fun - do not play with them. Play with those that provide you with fun. Even kids know that policy. It works. My forces have already adapted these strategies. We are stealing BoB targets whereever we can. There is no way we can loose. Blacklight, we are stealing your targets! How will you counter this? and you call this a strategy, don't you realise you are already lost.
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:37:00 - [31] Maybe we should do a coordinated attack against bob itself. like 3-4 massive fleets in different station systems. Have IAC get all the bob titan pilots drunk the night before so they cant play or convince their bosses to make em work overtime during the op. Giving away your space is not fun http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Rochel Hakiri principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:41:00 - [32] Ahhhaa that explain why Outbreak (who's againts BoB FYI), is fighting and ganking us. They only seem to steal targets of BoB, check their KB. I would be mad ****ed if I we're BoB
bystander Lightning Fish	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Gabba Its actually not such a bad idea, although it would take too long for it to work and would be.... extremely boring. I dont fight BoB myself, but if you compare them to the Roman empire (valid comparison imho), your better off using the fact that the space they control is very large their borders far apart. Fast roaming gangs to split up their forces and a cyno chain with dreads that can jump in and out, sort of guerilla tactics. Hit a POS and then move out fast, dont get into trenchwar fights with supercaps. Ok im going back to mining now Surely they'll just do what the Romans did and let the locals just get on with it. Keep friendly locals in charge, tax people, take whatever resources you want and grant additional breaks to those prepared to fight alongside you. The Romans weren't in charge of their Empire - they were far too dilute on the ground. They just saw off anyone else who claimed they were in charge.
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:09:00 - [34] Post number 4860450923098521 about how to defeat bob. Sweet.... bob won't crumble like we've seen others, goons are a community outside and don't seem to mind loosing it all and trying again, RA... are RA. I never understood why people are so afraid to loose their stations, or why their so concerned about falling back to empire to rebuild. In fact being freed from your .0 assets should be quite liberating. Originally by: CCP Arkanon We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.
Jotan Veer HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:15:00 - [35] Originally by: Altar Mei I never understood why people are so afraid to loose their stations, or why their so concerned about falling back to empire to rebuild. Falling back to empire is a shock which inevitably brings underlying problems of your corp/alliance to the surface thus acting as a catalyst towards making people becoming fed up and leaving. This in turn can cause a chain reaction leading to more people leaving since "there is nothing to do here anymore". Unless there is a strong leadership corps/alliances generally suffer from falling back.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:23:00 - [36] Originally by: Altar Mei Post number 4860450923098521 about how to defeat bob. Sweet.... bob won't crumble like we've seen others, goons are a community outside and don't seem to mind loosing it all and trying again, RA... are RA. I never understood why people are so afraid to loose their stations, or why their so concerned about falling back to empire to rebuild. In fact being freed from your .0 assets should be quite liberating. Depends really. If your corp/alliance/coalition is just for the sake of 0.0 access & carebearing, then it's not really liberating and usually means stagnation and usually "death". -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
Alias11 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:29:00 - [37] I can't tell if this is a troll thread or just a legitimately stupid post so I'm just gonna put, like, three dozen twisted smilies at the bottom of this post so quote this if you're down
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Alias11 I can't tell if this is a troll thread or just a legitimately stupid post... It is not a troll thread, neither is it legitimately stupid. You confused now? It is legitimately amusing to see Goons and BoB agree for once though EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:37:00 - [39] way to beat bob .> cancel accounts, ccp loses revenue-> bob leadership forced to find new job
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Rochel Hakiri Ahhhaa that explain why Outbreak (who's againts BoB FYI), is fighting and ganking us. They only seem to steal targets of BoB, check their KB. I would be mad ***ed if I we're BoB EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)*
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:58:00 - [41] Edited by: Buxaroo on 04/06/2007 17:59:49 Edited by: Buxaroo on 04/06/2007 17:59:17 Originally by: Tyrus Ex Originally by: Victor Vision Let BoB play with themselves. Too late. I've been doing that since I turned 14. Sigh. Your a late starter aren't you OT: Your strategy to win the war against us is not to fight us? Wow! The absolute GENIUS of that! "No matter where you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
Echo147 E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.04 18:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Major Stormer Personally I think a victory against BOB would be very likey, when the coaliton wakes up and realises that to defeat a enemy that puts everything on the line, you must also put everything on the line and fight and fight AND FIGHT until they are dead and nothing remains. Get real, BoB aren't even putting 10% of their wealth on the line.
Gabba The Three Hundred	Posted - 2007.06.04 18:21:00 - [43] I think saying "put everything on the line" is a blank statement. Anyone know what that means? Ill respond to something said to me, it was: Quote: That wont realy work. You reinforce a pos, then when the pos comes out of reinforced, thy just refual it, meaning you just wasted your time doing hit and run tactics. I dont think its a waste of time, howlong does it take 10 dreads to put a deathstar pos into reinforced? Putting them into reinforced your only limited by the speed at which your roaming gang can get to a new POS. Maybe im derailing the thread a little, but i think one siege cycle is enough for 10 dreads to put a medium POS into reinforced right?
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.04 18:33:00 - [44] I have one of my 'headaches' coming on Dark-Rising
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.04 18:42:00 - [45] Edited by: Orree on 04/06/2007 18:40:49 To the OP: Not interested. Go sell crazy somewhere else.
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.04 18:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Mitch Taylor I have one of my 'headaches' coming on I told you that all the spirits and tobacco will get back to you one day . This topic is a joke anyway Thank You SkyFlyer
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 18:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Gabba I dont think its a waste of time, howlong does it take 10 dreads to put a deathstar pos into reinforced? Putting them into reinforced your only limited by the speed at which your roaming gang can get to a new POS. Maybe im derailing the thread a little, but i think one siege cycle is enough for 10 dreads to put a medium POS into reinforced right? Nope Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Akela Caldari Interstellar Developments Corp	Posted - 2007.06.04 18:49:00 - [48] The OP is the main reason why lions eat their young... "All who wander are not lost.."
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 18:56:00 - [49] how to beat bob? dude1: ugh do this Dude2: no my strategy is better Dude3: noooo i think.... dude4: ah yeah all didnt work but let my try the strategy of dude one again.. and again.. .. dude457683464345: oh my im so intelligent look how i would do it... ... You dont nesesarry have to be smart to win a war... sometimes its enough to just fight. put your balls on he field... and if you lose? so what? nothing! you will recover in a week of carebaring (what most people anyway do in eve).
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:20:00 - [50] Edited by: Victor Vision on 04/06/2007 19:23:16 Originally by: Buxaroo OT: Your strategy to win the war against us is not to fight us? Wow! The absolute GENIUS of that! Mao Zedong: "The enemy advances, we retreat..." Sun Tzu: " ... 18. All warfare is based on deception. 19. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. 20. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him. 21. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. ..." EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:23:00 - [51] I don't think BoB mind running POS. They have been running the largest POS-network of any alliance for months and months already - having sov in many many more non-station systems than any alleged 'carebear' alliance (that should conceptually enjoy running POS more) ever had.
Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 04/06/2007 19:37:16 If military victory against an opponent is unlikely, other strategies are needed. Demotivation of the enemy is a valid strategy, commonly used to win wars. So, let us look at what would demotivate BoB/MC: Lack of PvP. Need of maintaining POSs by themselves and POS warfare in general. How can we benefit from this: Let BoB play with themselves. Do not worry about the BoB allies - they are way too scared to fight BoB (or already fighting BoB by not supplying them with targets), so they will not provide BoB with any fun. So here, some ways to defeat BoB: a) join the BoB bandwagon, with your corp/alliance. But please do not maintain any POSs, that is no fun and should be done by BoB. If BoB now wants you to leave, check possibility b) b) dont be an active BoB target. If BoB attacks you, ignore them. Log on your empire/lowsec/pirating alts and continue having fun, while they have to work on your POSs, or camp empty systems. c) steal BoBs targets, and have great fair fights with them. Currently Razor, MM, Goons, RA etc. Once BoB shows up, leave. Once BoB leaves the area, keep attacking their targets. Don't bother with the POSs, they are no fun, leave those for BoB to destroy. In general, if BoB is spoiling your fun - do not play with them. Play with those that provide you with fun. Even kids know that policy. It works. My forces have already adapted these strategies. We are stealing BoB targets whereever we can. There is no way we can loose. Blacklight, we are stealing your targets! How will you counter this? PS.: On Guerilla Warfare by Mao Zedong: "The enemy advances, we retreat ... The enemy tires, we attack. The enemy retreats, we pursue." The art of war by Sun Tzu (Some of BoB might know this): "If he (the enemy) is in superior strength, evade him." Well i for one will counter it by laughing my ass out and then laughing some more. And then by ofc logging on and killing **** load of people all over again. kkthxbye To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:44:00 - [53] Originally by: Hey You Well i for one will counter it by laughing my ass out and then laughing some more. And then by ofc logging on and killing **** load of people all over again. kkthxbye If there is no targets, then there is nothing for you to kill. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
The Beatnuts UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:46:00 - [54] pass the joint man, this is good sh*t! Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: Alias11 I can't tell if this is a troll thread or just a legitimately stupid post... It is not a troll thread, neither is it legitimately stupid. You confused now? It is legitimately amusing to see Goons and BoB agree for once though It really is pretty stupid. Perhaps you should stop posting? Nemo me impune lacessit
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:55:00 - [56] Originally by: The Beatnuts pass the joint man, this is good sht! Hahaha, indeed! Also, your "run! they are loggin' in!" sig is awesome. I am tempted to steal it EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)*
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: Alias11 I can't tell if this is a troll thread or just a legitimately stupid post... It is not a troll thread, neither is it legitimately stupid. You confused now? It is legitimately amusing to see Goons and BoB agree for once though It really is pretty stupid. Perhaps you should stop posting? Perhaps you should start developing a sense of humour? Since you haven't, no targets for you, you have been a bad boy! EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Blooded Heromy Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 20:21:00 - [58] Some of the ideas Jackass comes up with are smarter than your uber plan, that must tell us something. I can tell you how to realy destroy BoB, turn off the server like you are sugestin and you sure will win. PS, you should sent this to the Norweyen Nobels academy and see if they want to award u Signature removed. Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions - Petwraith
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 20:35:00 - [59] Originally by: Blooded Heromy Some of the ideas Jackass comes up with are smarter than your uber plan, that must tell us something. I can tell you how to realy destroy BoB, turn off the server like you are sugestin and you sure will win. PS, you should sent this to the Norweyen Nobels academy and see if they want to award u Good reply, you made me laugh. But just for your information, there is still other people besides BoB on the server. No need to turn it off. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
bystander Lightning Fish	Posted - 2007.06.04 20:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Blooded Heromy PS, you should sent this to the Norweyen Nobels academy and see if they want to award u You're funny because you can't spell.
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.06.04 21:50:00 - [61] Your plan has a fatal flaw: there are too many people outside of BoB who like to fight, and care more about taking the opportunity to have a fight than about which alliance ticker gets to cover the most bright little dots with their color. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 22:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 04/06/2007 19:30:11 Originally by: Buxaroo OT: Your strategy to win the war against us is not to fight us? Wow! The absolute GENIUS of that! On Guerilla Warfare by Mao Zedong: "The enemy advances, we retreat ... The enemy tires, we attack. The enemy retreats, we pursue." The art of war by Sun Tzu (Some of BoB might know this): ..." Students of History may recall that the primary reason Mao succeeded in his revolution is the fact that the Japanese invaded and both simultaneously distracted the government while providing his movement with a useful method of amassing popular support (fighting the Japanese). EVE warfare is not like real-life warfare. In my entire time in EVE, I have yet to see a guerrilla movement successfully dislodge a large scale alliance. In the real world, guerrilla movements are only successful if they are able to develop enough popular support to transition into a somewhat more conventional army capable of taking territory from a government who's support they have eroded. Now, this is somewhat possible in eve. Guerrilla warfare is effective to a certain extent against an alliance's industrialists. A prime example of this is Celestial Apocalypse's campaign against CA's carebears in the Great Wildlands. Celes ganked a bunch of carebears while the bulk of CA's pvp forces were based in HLW, but they never succeeded in harming the alliance's actual ability to fight (mostly because CA was hopelessly broken, and those carebears didn't contribute squat to the alliance at the time). Against BoB, guerrilla tactics can only be used against renter corps really. And judging by the current success ratios of alliances that have attempted to fight BoB by avoiding us in order to attack our tenets, this really isn't a very successful formula. But by all means, keep trying. We take pride in our rental program's ability to provide a safety net for new alliance while still requiring them to defend themselves against the daily threats of 0.0 life. Makes them stronger. Nemo me impune lacessit
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.04 22:17:00 - [63] Sochin, I completely agree with your estimation of the efficacy of guerilla warfare in Eve. Having been part of an alliance (Vertigo Coalition) that, while not incredibly successful, it was able to cause trouble in Fountain and other areas it operated. However, when it comes to who we saw as the power we were fighting against, we never really did much more than provide BoB pilots a place to vacation between campaigns. I think we did a pretty good job of hassling the pro-BoB Fountain residents of the time. Certainly, that particular alliance has flourished in the region since we left and wasn't doing much but trying to keep its head above water while we were there. So, yes...guerilla forces can operate and have a mild effect in Eve, but they simply don't have the same power as such forces tend to be able to exert in RL. Kind of in the same way that it's "fun" in Eve but I can't imagine that it's much of a joyride in RL.
Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 22:26:00 - [64] Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: Hey You Well i for one will counter it by laughing my ass out and then laughing some more. And then by ofc logging on and killing **** load of people all over again. kkthxbye If there is no targets, then there is nothing for you to kill. RA 1.5 k, Goon 4k, Ultima Ratio 1.2k, TCF 1.2k, IAC 2k, KOS 1k, AAA 1k, United legion 1k - dude you gotta give me whatever u are smoking with statements like this. 13 k Targets all in 2-3 Regions Dude it is heaven. To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.04 22:33:00 - [65] Originally by: ArcticFox Your plan has a fatal flaw: there are too many people outside of BoB who like to fight, and care more about taking the opportunity to have a fight than about which alliance ticker gets to cover the most bright little dots with their color. Did you call me? To the op: It's an pvp game, some people actually enjoy fighting, regardless if they win or lose "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Blooded Heromy Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 23:41:00 - [66] Edited by: Blooded Heromy on 04/06/2007 23:41:19 Edited by: Blooded Heromy on 04/06/2007 23:40:29 Originally by: bystander Originally by: Blooded Heromy PS, you should sent this to the Norweyen Nobels academy and see if they want to award u You're funny because you can't spell. Damn, and imagine if you would make your respond in Icelandic as its my mother language and not english (like all other ppl that work for ccp aint it ?) that would be hell of a funny thing to read. Signature removed. Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions - Petwraith
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.04 23:42:00 - [67] Edited by: Victor Vision on 04/06/2007 23:42:14 Originally by: ArcticFox Your plan has a fatal flaw: there are too many people outside of BoB who like to fight, and care more about taking the opportunity to have a fight than about which alliance ticker gets to cover the most bright little dots with their color. Precisely. I love to fight. If you read my OP again, you will find I recommend fighting. Just not BoB, they are out of balance currently. Originally by: Hey You RA 1.5 k, Goon 4k, Ultima Ratio 1.2k, TCF 1.2k, IAC 2k, KOS 1k, AAA 1k, United legion 1k ... 13 k Targets all in 2-3 Regions Dude it is heaven. See? No lack of opponents for those not willing to provide BoB with the fun of fighting them. And Hey You, imagine these people all refuse to fight you and instead fight each other, might help you realize BoB is doing something wrong... Originally by: The Dokter To the op: It's an pvp game, some people actually enjoy fighting, regardless if they win or lose Yes, fighting is great. But only if you have a possibility of winning. I know Outbreak handels this the same way. Ask yourself: Can Outbreak win an all out fight versus BoB? Would you engage BoB to win against them? Are you fighting BoB? If you do not fight BoB, why not? BoB/MC have destroyed the balance in this game. Tuxford can not fix this, and CCP in general should not. It is up to us players to fix the disbalance, as it should be. BoB has successfully employed the strategy of amassing veteran players, faction equipment, combat boosters, pirate implants, t2 BPOs, Capital ships, Super Capitals and isk. The Coalition has tried to restore balance, kudos to that. I myself have supported the Coalition in action and words to my best ability. RaGoon still stand strong, and I whish them the best of luck of course. But in the end, an EVE where BoB is the almighty power who choose who to blow up next, without any serious possibility of losing themselves - is that what you want? Is that what we want? It might sound strange, but I have no problem with BoB in general. If any other alliance in the game would be in the position BoB is in now, I would be fighting against them. With the strategies I have available. As BoB is hopelessly overpowered currently, I see the best strategy of fighting them in ignoring them. Let BoB watch us others have fun fights ingame, they can not join. BoB needs to realize they are disbalanced. We can help them with that realization. Once BoB is back in balance, it will be a pleasure for me to fight with them or against them. But until then, it is a no-go. Nothing personal. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Hillary Lips Three Rings	Posted - 2007.06.04 23:52:00 - [68] Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 04/06/2007 21:15:20 Originally by: Blooded Heromy Some of the ideas Jackass comes up with are smarter than your uber plan, that must tell us something. I can tell you how to realy destroy BoB, turn off the server like you are sugestin and you sure will win. PS, you should sent this to the Norweyen Nobels academy and see if they want to award u Good reply, you made me laugh. But just for your information, there is still other people besides BoB on the server. No need to turn it off. We play EVE the way it is fun. Less metagaming, more fighting. Less capitals, more small ship engagements. Less POS wars, more fun fights. BoB can stand by and watch in awe. Watch the game they once played, but have long forgotten. We stand for diversity, fun and fairness. Maybe sometime in the future we can welcome BoB back into our community. Until then, BoB will be ignored. look if you dont do pos wars then what are you scared off
Brother Theos Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.04 23:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Major Stormer Personally I think a victory against BOB would be very likey, when the coaliton wakes up and realises that to defeat a enemy that puts everything on the line, you must also put everything on the line and fight and fight AND FIGHT until they are dead and nothing remains. Who are this coalition of which you speak?
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.06.04 23:57:00 - [70] In the times we posted on Bulletin Board System and had to make connection through a 2400bps modem we used to put "famous last words"-sentences underneath our mails. things like: Famous last words: what does this button do? Famous last words: Hey look, archers! Famous last words: Honey I'm home! One in particular came back to me when I read the Op: Famous last words: Ignore it, it will go away. Sorry for my nostalgic, retro mindspin here. RB join us today!
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.06.05 05:56:00 - [71] While this really can be a sound strategy the problem with it is I believe that those folks avoiding BoB might become bored to and leave EVE. The problem as someone else put it is that BoB has to many players that are devoting their lives to EVE compared to the other alliances. Its not really that BoB is better in any other way, they simply have a larger portion of their members ignoring real world concerns to play a video game. So while they might be winning at EVE, they probably aren't winning at life. That's also BoB's greatest weakness. In time they are going to realise they don't really have the time to devote to a video game as they have in the past. Any number of events could force them into such a decision. That's really when their empire will start to crumble. Revelations 2 will make hit and run more viable. With the moving of POS defenses outside the shield it'll be easier to inflict monetary loss on the great empires. As a result if there is sufficient amount of this we may see the bigger empires shrink some. I know that's what CCP is hoping, I"m not sure it will work, I'm not sure we'll see enough hit and runs to cause enough damage. I'm also afraid that this will effectively keep smaller alliances and corps from establishing sovereignty. Anyway BoB is much more likely to fall because of RL pressures, such as those that led the corps to leave D2 to form Evoke, than from actual in game events. Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
A wiseman	Posted - 2007.06.05 06:18:00 - [72] Quote: My forces have already adapted these strategies. We are stealing BoB targets whereever we can. There is no way we can loose. does this mean your killing bobs hostile in other words the peolpe standing up to bob? what does sun tzu have to say about the enemy of your enemy or droping ancient old dudes what does common sense tell you. Oh not you victor dont trust you on that count but to be perfectly straight i don't think much of your stratagy sounds kinda cowardly
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.06.05 08:54:00 - [73] Edited by: bloomich on 05/06/2007 08:55:02 So lets get this straight..... You want the old Brittish tactic of Divide and Conquor with a new twist, being applied to your own side, so you guys fight each other thus denying bob of killing you, in a hope that if you dont kill yourselfs, bob will get so bored that they wont either? If you kill yourselfs or run away from bob, then, if I pardon being the Genius, would have to note that it would make it easier for anyone to steamroll through your space? The plan is as convulated as my sentences. This has got to be the worst plan I have ever heard. But to each his own!
Iota Mordu RAND Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.05 09:05:00 - [74] "I am sick of Fabian systems in all quarters!" - John Adams -
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.05 10:34:00 - [75] Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: The Dokter To the op: It's an pvp game, some people actually enjoy fighting, regardless if they win or lose Yes, fighting is great. But only if you have a possibility of winning. I know Outbreak handels this the same way. Ask yourself: Can Outbreak win an all out fight versus BoB? Would you engage BoB to win against them? Are you fighting BoB? If you do not fight BoB, why not? I have been thinking a lot about these ôBOB has won the war, all is lostö-threads and the big question still is. Did BOB win? In my opinion they didn't. MC and friends destroyed D2, but RaGoon and friends destroyed LV. So atm we are at same point as where the war started. The Alliance owns 30% of eve, the Coalition owns, 30-40%? Look at KOS, RaGoon, IAC, AAA, new regions, Razor, MM. They all have their space and are very a live and kicking. So no BOB didn't win eve, they only have the momentum atm. Eve changes so fast that if we look at this thread in 2 months, we all laugh, there will be new naps, new enemy's and the same people to shoot at If the coalition would attack BOB again and with full force this time, they have a big change of winning it. They have more people, they have more cap ships (only the titan count is a bit off, but....where are the RA titans?), so I don't think eve is won. The interesting question would be, what if the coalition would have won. Picture this, the northern nap fest would have been even stronger, so the north would have been one happy carebear heaven RaGoon would only have friends around them, so another big nap fest. So would that situation be good? No, maybe even worse then the 30-40 situation that happened now. Answering you question about OB, we kill everybody on our overview, so yes we also shoot BOB. And no, an all out attack of BOB against us would mean defeat; 200-2000 is a bit over the top. But the current war isn't about one alliance (or corp) attacking another, it's about 12k people against 15k, so no eve isn't lost, no bob didn't win the war and no I will not quiet the game because some people think all is lost O and how the coalition could win the war: AAA attacks mc, mm and razor attack Fountain, IAC and the rest of the North attack Q and RaGoon attack delve. Keep this going fore a month and some regions will fall, it will cost a lot of ships, but in the end itÆs about who wins sovereignty and not who has the best K/D ratio. "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
OGUZ KAGAN SPACE TURK COPS	Posted - 2007.06.05 10:40:00 - [76] i couldnot understand why all people trying to rlease their super plan to get BOB killed. This is EVE universe and BOB is the one player base entity of it as many others in the game and there are lots of things in this universe to accomplish RPG PVP etc. In my opinion BOB , RA and others like them achieve something in the game in their way and others who like PVP or their superpower must try to form up a challenging power against it.This game is not the thing we have to porve ourselves what we are we are doing that stuff in our real lives. This game is here to have fun in our spare time and instead of always thinking the destruction of achievements have fun of it and achieve your goals but that is not a must you are not gaining in real life when you achieve something in this game as EULA says you are only enjoying your spare time. I am playing these online games not to be proud of myself ( i have enough of them in real life ) only to have fun of it. On the other hand instead of destroying something you may selcet a way of construction. Contruct a good pvp corp , industrial corp etc . You dont have to get rid of other players accept it or not after you destroyed BOB are those players get lost ? NO When you kill a player in game is he shooted out of this game ? NO So you have to accept every player in the game and also have respect at least for the ones who is trying to have fun of this game You cannot kill BOB,D2,ASCN or RA you can only make them change their name and players alliances you cannot restrict players advance no matter what you do this is not a game gaining exp points by killing NPC player etc this is a time based skill points improving game REGARDS

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