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Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:22:00 - [121] Originally by: Cailais The sentinel has an effective range of up to 18km with tech 2 neutralizers and can sustain 3 of them when optimized for capacitor recharge. This makes the Sentinel a serious threat even to battleships. What!!?!? Something a EW Frigate can do, but the EW Recon Pilgrim cannot? Important part highlighted. In order to maintain 3 small t2 neuts you need 2 CCC rigs, 3 CPR2 and 1 CR2. And NO MWD. "A serious threat even to battleships" my shiny khanid ass. Small or medium drones will east it alive with such a setup. The EW frigs are awfully imbalanced towards each other.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:27:00 - [122] Edited by: Shevar on 23/10/2007 14:27:33 Originally by: Cailais Hull: Crucifier / Viziam Slots: 3/4/3, 2 turrets Fitting: 195tf, 40mw Drones: 20Mbit/s bandwidth, 60m3 drone bay Sensors: 572mm scan res, 36.5km targeting range, 21pt radar Propulsion: 374m/s, 1,525,000kg Tech II resistance bonus: 50% explosive, 25% kinetic Bonuses: 5% bonus to effectiveness of Tracking Disruptors per Amarr FF level 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per Amarr FF level 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range per EAS level 5% reduction to capacitor recharge time per EAS level The sentinel has an effective range of up to 18km with tech 2 neutralizers and can sustain 3 of them when optimized for capacitor recharge. This makes the Sentinel a serious threat even to battleships. What!!?!? Something a EW Frigate can do, but the EW Recon Pilgrim cannot? Yet more fuel to the fire that the Pilgrim needs its range and cap issues resolved ASAP. Heck based on this even the Curse should be reviewed!!!eleventy1! Please CCP: Fix the EW Amarr Cruisers! C. 50 cap/cycle standard, 50/100200=100 cap/cycle 1 cycle lasts 6 seconds so it's 16.67 cap/s per neut. 3 High slots means it's neuting 50 cap/s Pilgrim neuts 360 per cycle per neut, let's say 3 neuts 3603/12=90 cap/s. Basicly said the amarr frig is retardedly bad as opposed to the pilgrim which just sucks. For the ECM frigs im happy I got minmatar and gallente frig5 as well. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:59:00 - [123] I can see this thread going to "omg new amarr frig suck" And ill put my hand up and say that this is correct. How is a frig that will neut 100 cap max per neut at a cost of 50 every 6 seconds going to cause a bs to shiver. It does make the pilgrim look even worse but it also suggest how bad nos is these days. Especially small. Its joke. Thankfully I have gal and caldari frig lvl V as well. :D
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:07:00 - [124] Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 23/10/2007 14:45:43 Edited by: Shevar on 23/10/2007 14:27:33 Originally by: Cailais Hull: Crucifier / Viziam Slots: 3/4/3, 2 turrets Fitting: 195tf, 40mw Drones: 20Mbit/s bandwidth, 60m3 drone bay Sensors: 572mm scan res, 36.5km targeting range, 21pt radar Propulsion: 374m/s, 1,525,000kg Tech II resistance bonus: 50% explosive, 25% kinetic Bonuses: 5% bonus to effectiveness of Tracking Disruptors per Amarr FF level 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per Amarr FF level 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range per EAS level 5% reduction to capacitor recharge time per EAS level The sentinel has an effective range of up to 18km with tech 2 neutralizers and can sustain 3 of them when optimized for capacitor recharge. This makes the Sentinel a serious threat even to battleships. What!!?!? Something a EW Frigate can do, but the EW Recon Pilgrim cannot? Yet more fuel to the fire that the Pilgrim needs its range and cap issues resolved ASAP. Heck based on this even the Curse should be reviewed!!!eleventy1! Please CCP: Fix the EW Amarr Cruisers! C. A serious threat to battleships? They will neut as much as a heavy cap booster provides. Yeah I'm sure battleship pilots will pee in their pants... Having ECM or Damp or scramble range or web range increase is A LOT and I mean A LOT better. 50 cap/cycle standard, 50/100200=100 cap/cycle 1 cycle lasts 6 seconds so it's 16.67 cap/s per neut. 3 High slots means it's neuting 50 cap/s Pilgrim neuts 360 per cycle per neut, let's say 3 neuts 3603/12=90 cap/s. Basicly said the amarr frig is retardedly bad as opposed to the pilgrim which just sucks. For the ECM frigs im happy I got minmatar and gallente frig5 as well. Oh I very much doubt a lone EW Frigate will do anything much to, well anything. But a gang of these ships? I havent checked you figures Shevar but lets say 10 Sentinels will stip off 500 cap / second if optimised for regen? That sounds a fair bit to me. The other races EW Friagtes are undoubtabley more useful on their own, but when would you need say 10 Warp Scrams on a target? Sentinel Fleets could be quite nasty. Doesnt help the Pilgrim though, as frankly youd be far better off using 2 or 3 Sentinels rather than a Pilgrim. C. - sig designer - eve mail Low Sec Idea
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:13:00 - [125] Originally by: Cailais Oh I very much doubt a lone EW Frigate will do anything much to, well anything. But a gang of these ships? I havent checked your figures Shevar but lets say 10 Sentinels will strip off 500 cap / second if optimised for regen? That sounds a fair bit to me. The other races EW Friagtes are undoubtabley more useful on their own, but when would you need say 10 Warp Scrams on a target? Sentinel Fleets could be quite nasty. Doesnt help the Pilgrim though, as frankly youd be far better off using 2 or 3 Sentinels rather than a Pilgrim. C. 10 assault frigates kill a battleship almost as fast as 10 sentinals will drain it's cap. 10 ishkurs have a combined DPS of more then 2000. Yay that neuting idea sounds so useful . --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:45:00 - [126] Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Cailais Oh I very much doubt a lone EW Frigate will do anything much to, well anything. But a gang of these ships? I havent checked your figures Shevar but lets say 10 Sentinels will strip off 500 cap / second if optimised for regen? That sounds a fair bit to me. The other races EW Friagtes are undoubtabley more useful on their own, but when would you need say 10 Warp Scrams on a target? Sentinel Fleets could be quite nasty. Doesnt help the Pilgrim though, as frankly youd be far better off using 2 or 3 Sentinels rather than a Pilgrim. C. 10 assault frigates kill a battleship almost as fast as 10 sentinals will drain it's cap. 10 ishkurs have a combined DPS of more then 2000. Yay that neuting idea sounds so useful . Yeah true, but Im hoping the neut range bonus, on such a small and potentially fast ship will allow it to 'cap out' inties, nano fits and the like. Oh who am I kidding...its going to suck isnt it? C. - sig designer - eve mail Low Sec Idea
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:03:00 - [127] Originally by: Cailais Yeah true, but Im hoping the neut range bonus, on such a small and potentially fast ship will allow it to 'cap out' inties, nano fits and the like. Oh who am I kidding...its going to suck isnt it? C. Well a neut can always disable a frig relatively easy, the question is though why use a ship that can disable a frig with a few modules while it's either easier to kill it with another ship or use a ship with for example damp or ecm bonusses which can insta lock down a frigate sized ship? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs

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